Hey guys!
Since the new HTC HD2 (Leo) is about to launch:
How can I use it's multitouch capability? Preferably with C#?
As far as I know the Windows Mobile SDK supports only the good old "Mouse_Down/Up/Move" events.
Is there anything I missed? Actually there must be, since HTC is using multitouch on their Sense UI (which is just an App, like everything else, right?).
Any ideas?
Hey, come on!
No ideas? Nothing?
I thought there were so many uber-developers in this froum
To my knowledge, the HD2's multitouch was homemade by HTC. It is not natively supported by Windows Mobile/C#/etc. Unlike Samsung, I don't think HTC has ever published an SDK or made any of their APIs available to outside developers.
But as far as I know the HD2 apps (like Opera Browser or Google Maps) work with multitouch as well. Were they adapted by HTC?
It would be too bad having a multitouch phone but not beeing able to program for it
VanKurt said:
Were they adapted by HTC?
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From what I've read, yes. I haven't used an HD2 personally though
It's kinda funny (or sad) that virtually every cool feature of the HD2 (capacitive screen, multitouch, etc) was made possible by HTC and not by Microsoft. OEMs and developers shouldn't have to waste their time writing touchscreen interfaces and sensor APIs, but that's the reality of Windows Mobile for the time being. WM7 had better be a huge leap forward.
OK, so we know that there's no official way to do this.
But maybe one can somehow get to those data otherwise?
I guess we'll have to wait until the HD2 is officially released to find out...
bedoig said:
OEMs and developers shouldn't have to waste their time writing touchscreen interfaces and sensor APIs, but that's the reality of Windows Mobile for the time being. WM7 had better be a huge leap forward.
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In their defense, Microsoft HAVE provided API's for WM for camera's, GPS chips and accelerometers. It's not their fault if the OEM's choose not to use them.
VanKurt said:
OK, so we know that there's no official way to do this.
But maybe one can somehow get to those data otherwise?
I guess we'll have to wait until the HD2 is officially released to find out...
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HTC's grav sensor API was soon reverse engineered, so I would expect this one to be too.
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In their defense, Microsoft HAVE provided API's for WM for camera's, GPS chips and accelerometers. It's not their fault if the OEM's choose not to use them.
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I wasn't aware that anything was available for accelerometers. Was that a recent addition? WM6.x?
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HTC's grav sensor API was soon reverse engineered, so I would expect this one to be too.
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I was thinking the same thing. The problem is still one of consistency between devices though. We need WM7 to lay a consistent groundwork for every feature that we now consider standard on a smartphone. Maybe that requires MS tightening restrictions on OEMs who choose to use Windows Mobile.
hold on am i missing something?.
you basically asking can you use multi touch on a phone such as diamond/touchpro 2?
multitouch capability depends on the actual hardware, with screens such as capacitive.
the HTC hero has a multi touch SCREEN...you can put the sense UI on resistive screens such as the GI, majic and so on.
do a google search on the difference between resistive and capacitive
Erm, no!
I asked specifically for the HTC HD2, which has a capacitive screen. So Multitouch should work very well on that device.
The only thing missing will be the API for it...
But we'll see about that (HD2 will be released any day now, I hope)
Multitouch is an HTC API...
I've got some way to working out how to use it, though I kinda need to have a device before I can do anything for real!
I know, that WM doesn't support multitouch. It'll be avaible in WM 7.
OK, now that the HD2 is out:
Did anyone play around with multitouch yet? Is there a way to use it in our own applications?
I played a little around with .Net, but havn't found any multitouch way...
Multitouch isn't part of .NET. HTC use there own library for this.
The hope is that someone will make it usable for development (like it happened with the G-Sensor)...
I thought about that HTC sends a Special-Mouse Click -> Mouse Scroll, so I can catch it, but this wasn't the case
Zoomer
There is an application called Zoomer,that enables almost all aplications that are installed to support Multitouch function on HD2,google for it.
That isn't a solution Zoomer just sets Registry entrys for using a Zoom, which just magnifiers the Window Of an App, without the ability for the App itself to draw this magnified space in high quality...
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That isn't a solution Zoomer just sets Registry entrys for using a Zoom, which just magnifiers the Window Of an App, without the ability for the App itself to draw this magnified space in high quality...
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I'm currently working on the alternative, that sends the window messages to zoom in/zoom out, but you then need to handle them.
I think I've found what messages it is, and need to work out what exactly is getting sent, but that hopefully shouldn't take long...
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More infos:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Launch-Windows-Mobile-6-5-on-May-11-109719.shtml
br,
Chris
Any news about when HTC are planing to release 6.5 for our Diamonds?
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More infos:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Launch-Windows-Mobile-6-5-on-May-11-109719.shtml
br,
Chris
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Great news, thanks! I can't wait
anyone know whats in it that we dont already have??
sapiora said:
Any news about when HTC are planing to release 6.5 for our Diamonds?
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Never.
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anyone know whats in it that we dont already have??
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well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
The biggest improvement is that now, you can control your phone only with your finger, it's more "finger-friendly". No need to have a stylet.
Otherwise, it's only a "graphic" improvement I think...
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well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
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Actually I would say that usability has been greatly improved. It's not just a new start menu and a today screen. There are some very nice touches here and there like a much better menu interaction, drop-down lists are improved so that you no longer need to use the stylus, there's a new Internet Explorer which even though it's not as good as Opera it does have some things that might be useful for certain websites...
Oh, there's also the new widget system for small web-based applications (MSN Weather and MSN Finances are good examples) and the new Titanium home screen seems to be highly customizable with plugins that look beautiful and so far seem to work well.
I would say that the main change is that Windows Mobile no longer looks like an outdated PDA and looks more like a modern hi-tech phone without the need of TouchFlo 3D which never got to the deeper parts of the OS.
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Actually I would say that usability has been greatly improved. It's not just a new start menu and a today screen. There are some very nice touches here and there like a much better menu interaction, drop-down lists are improved so that you no longer need to use the stylus, there's a new Internet Explorer which even though it's not as good as Opera it does have some things that might be useful for certain websites...
Oh, there's also the new widget system for small web-based applications (MSN Weather and MSN Finances are good examples) and the new Titanium home screen seems to be highly customizable with plugins that look beautiful and so far seem to work well.
I would say that the main change is that Windows Mobile no longer looks like an outdated PDA and looks more like a modern hi-tech phone without the need of TouchFlo 3D which never got to the deeper parts of the OS.
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i guess it's a matter of preference. The main thing i see is that its designed to be much more finger-friendly. But personally the way they did the menus, i find quite annoying and a bit sluggish.. i manage quite well right now without my stylus actually.. In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc. every time some menu takes over your entire screen it slows down the process of entering and selecting data
as far as not looking outdated? i don't know about that. I think looking at what HTC did with TF3D, although not perfect and the iphone interface, microsoft could have done a lot better for their first real facelift of windows mobile.. widgets? yeah but if i needed widgets i'd be using an omnia or a google phone
I tried WM6.5 for a few hours last weekend, hoping to embrace it.
I wasn't used to the home screen as it doesn't provide much information at first look. The menu enhancement is nice, but apparently HTC has it's own which seems to feel better.
The start menu is simply cluttered and feels sluggish. The scroll arrows don't look good either. Anyways.. my conclusion is that HTC seem to do a better job than MS. Perhaps WM7 is what they're spending their efforts in..
thanks cyron_at... yeah i read that yesterday somewhere as well that it's about to get released...
i think it's a great compliment to tf3d... tf3d aims at making the interface finger friendly - however you still find yourself taking out the stylus now and then (specially when behind the scenes in winmo!)... i think 6.5 further reduces the need for this... but its not "officially" coming to our diamonds, so let's c how it goes...
Officially speaking, WM 6.5 isn't supposed to be available on "older" devices (with respect to release date), but that may be subject changes.
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well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
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I think it has built-in kinetic scrolling so that 3rd party manufacturers (like HTC) no longer have to write their own implementation. I believe the new IE has built-in support for Flash as well.
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i guess it's a matter of preference. The main thing i see is that its designed to be much more finger-friendly. But personally the way they did the menus, i find quite annoying and a bit sluggish.. i manage quite well right now without my stylus actually.. In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc. every time some menu takes over your entire screen it slows down the process of entering and selecting data
as far as not looking outdated? i don't know about that. I think looking at what HTC did with TF3D, although not perfect and the iphone interface, microsoft could have done a lot better for their first real facelift of windows mobile.. widgets? yeah but if i needed widgets i'd be using an omnia or a google phone
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Totally agree.
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.. my conclusion is that HTC seem to do a better job than MS. Perhaps WM7 is what they're spending their efforts in..
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Exactly. HTC has done wonders for revamping the old look and feel with winmo.
Interesting to say is that M$ took some ideas from HTC and implemented them in os(shouldn't they be the one to offer innovations?!).
I hope wm7 will be more finger friendly, but as the rumors say we will probably see one more wimmo 6.x iteration (6.7?) before the 7.
I'm really looking forward to see more android based phones and some more improvements of the os itself with a lot more soft(gps like igo for instance).
Resistive screens are really becoming outdated not only do they diminish the "touch" feel compared to capacitive screens but they are a ***** to use in the sunlight.
Cheers.
how's the keyboard in WM6.5, I can't find screenshot of it nor any special talk here about it, is there any keyboard in it at all
also, video call doesn't work yet, right?
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thanks cyron_at... yeah i read that yesterday somewhere as well that it's about to get released...
i think it's a great compliment to tf3d... tf3d aims at making the interface finger friendly - however you still find yourself taking out the stylus now and then (specially when behind the scenes in winmo!)... i think 6.5 further reduces the need for this... but its not "officially" coming to our diamonds, so let's c how it goes...
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for me spb mobile shell 3.0 is very finger friendly an very customize able.
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In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc.
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Smartphones and PPCs are not business only any more.
If MS only focused on the business market WINMO would disappear, or atleast not develop any further. Phone manufactures are about selling handsets. If the general consumer (who buy more handsets than businesses) are not happy with an OS they will not by that phone.
Not every phone user is techsavy enough to flash updates from websites. They want updates sent to their device in a way that means they have little interaction and risk.
WINMO needs to develop to become a general consumer friendly OS whilst still pandering slightly to the business community. This is what I see happening in 6.5
Apologize for being coock
Windows Mobile 6.5 May Launch Not Likely
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/04/windows_mobile_10.html
Windows Mobile 6.5 ...
... Is only a better version of Windows Mobile 6.1. They changed some graphics and the start menu. But they aren't able to make it like it should be. YOU'LL NEED A STYLET! look at the dropdown menus and the little buttons. How does microsoft thinkt people should use this little items without a stylet?
No sorry , I hope that Winodws Mobile 7 will be better!
Just look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8avvF9yrg&NR=1
They didn't spend much time on the layout because I've seen other iPhone applications that looks just as nice.
What library do they use (or simular) and is it available for WM?
I found these but hopefully there are more and more for UI:
- Manila Interface SDK http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566188
- http://beemobile4.net/
- http://www.resco.net/developer/mobileformstoolkit/features.aspx
http://silvermoon.codeplex.com/
awesome, lot of visual effect with iphone app
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awesome, lot of visual effect with iphone app
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Do you have a link?
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http://silvermoon.codeplex.com/
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Thx, i tried it immediately but it's slow. I started with VS2008 and used debug. Maybe thats the problem. Looks awesome, and for free
grrr....i hate .netcf...
google for fluid (it's on codeplex.com)
also for .net cf, but doesn't use opengl (if I'm correct)
there's no UI library for C/C++ right? So at least I hope WM 7 comes with an updated SDK....
Is that all there is?!
Now I understand why iPhone.....
ajhvdb said:
Is that all there is?!
Now I understand why iPhone.....
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yep sadly, tho that is alls supposed to change with wm7...
Touch Control Suite
http://www.mirabyte.com/en/products/windows-mobile/touch-controls-suite-for-netcf/information.html
Well finally something with a normal price. Will investigate this Thx.
At this moment Resco seams to be the best and "priciest". Maybe someone wants to sell there Resco library because they don't use it anymore. Send me a PM.
all these .NETCF frameworks seem to me so incredible incomplete. They offer 3-4 controls and thats it. The funniest is the SDK where you can buy single controls for like $30 each.
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all these .NETCF frameworks seem to me so incredible incomplete. They offer 3-4 controls and thats it. The funniest is the SDK where you can buy single controls for like $30 each.
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Yes, isn't it amazing. How the heck does ms expect me to develop for WM???
I can create the functionallity but it still doesn't look smart. On iPhone there are a lot of useless applications but they look smart.
How will this be in android? Why doesn't MS buy up Resco and release this nice UI for free. This will create a lot of new development.
Yea, I've said this countless times before. WM only needs a decent SDK or at least a nice UI library for VS2008 and some new APIs and it would by far be the best OS.
It wouldn't be hard for MS to do this.
You can make the current controls look and function like touch controls with overrides but its a pain. You can find some good howtos at http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/uiframework.
Hopefully we get better controls with Windows Mobile 7 and the next .net cf. I wonder if we will see it when Visual Studio 2010 is released a few months from now.
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Thx, i tried it immediately but it's slow. I started with VS2008 and used debug. Maybe thats the problem. Looks awesome, and for free
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Silvermoon is only slow because you are running it inside emulator. Silvermoon is OpenGL control library, and since emulator doesn't support hardware acceleration, you are using software version of OpenGL rendering engine. Try running silvermoon demo on your phone directly (if you have one of the newer phones that support hardware graphic acceleration). It's actually the fastest library available (and one of the most complete).
If you want to target all phones, not only the once with newer chips and OpenGL hardware rendering, try Fluid. It's written by the same guy that wrote Silvermoon, and it's also very nice library with tones of available controls and a very good architecture (so if it's missing control you need, you can always add your own).
Other than those two, there isn't much available that is free/cheap/good on the market.
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Silvermoon is only slow because you are running it inside emulator. Silvermoon is OpenGL control library, and since emulator doesn't support hardware acceleration, you are using software version of OpenGL rendering engine. Try running silvermoon demo on your phone directly (if you have one of the newer phones that support hardware graphic acceleration). It's actually the fastest library available (and one of the most complete).
If you want to target all phones, not only the once with newer chips and OpenGL hardware rendering, try Fluid. It's written by the same guy that wrote Silvermoon, and it's also very nice library with tones of available controls and a very good architecture (so if it's missing control you need, you can always add your own).
Other than those two, there isn't much available that is free/cheap/good on the market.
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Thx, it also slow on my Omnia II but I think it's related to openGL. Will try Fluid. It just feels strange spending so much time on the UI and still looking bad.
http://www.koushikdutta.com/search/label/WindowlessControls
This one looked ok, but I think it's dead too.
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Thx, it also slow on my Omnia II but I think it's related to openGL. Will try Fluid. It just feels strange spending so much time on the UI and still looking bad.
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The reason it might be slow on Omnia II is because you might've copied libGLES_CM.dll to your phone with the rest of the application. libGLES_CM.dll is software renderer for OpenGL. So, again, no hardware acceleration. If you didn't, then it's most likely something wrong with OpenGL drivers on your Omnia.
Here's the video of how Silvermoon supposed to run with hardware acceleration working, I think it was made on Diamond 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OQwo0nt_ek
For a beta product, Silvermoon is one hell of a library!
There are all sorts of threads except this one, the main topic. Will the current phones that are running the official and the aahemm...not so official WinMo 6.5 have an easy upgrade, the new OS looks stunning and I don't want anything but that OS ON MY PHONE...I don't care what it doesn't have..I JUST WANT IT....
I have an X1, running Spike's Infinite...so the big Q...Can I have it???
THANX!
Hoping Touch HD will be ok.
Touch HD2 will be lucky to have it let alone other devices. seeing as 6.5 will be hanging around, I doubt there will be any upgrades.
Not easy to say. It seems WP7s is going to have strict hardware ties. The lack of a search-button on present devices also gives a hint that it might just be available on future phones. I'm personally starting to doubt the rumours that HD2 will get an official update. Time will tell! But i'm confident we'll see it on (some) of our existing phones thanks to the great contributors here on XDA.
WVGA minimum, the multitouch probably can be worked around.
Ok....I was THIS close in buying the Touch HD2 and Touch Diamond 2..but then I heard voices in my head and bought the Xperia X1..not that I am complaining..but I want this on X1 Too....
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
1ghz CPU or snapdragon equivalent
WVGA capacative or alternative multitouch capable screen
512MB RAM/ROM
The whole spec list is on engadget, but it looks like the HD2 and only the HD2 + a couple of phones not yet released (Toshiba TG02) meet the minimum.
Bingo, 1Ghz Snapdragon or better, WVGA Capactive Screen be LED or AMOLED
I saw no notice that LED screens will be required. LCD should be fine, although it's a moot point since AMOLED's can be literally printed onto glass with an inkjet, it's going to kill mobile sized LCD on cost alone within 2 years. A win for contrast ratio, a loss for outdoor legibility.
Could probably work on current devices if you could turn off the animated tiles
I am using HTC 8525 with Win Mob 6.5 OS.
Can I upgrade it to Windows Phone 7?
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I am using HTC 8525 with Win Mob 6.5 OS.
Can I upgrade it to Windows Phone 7?
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Nope........
What about Xperia X1??
Is it a completely NO-NO or a May-be???
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What about Xperia X1??
Is it a completely NO-NO or a May-be???
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Its a complete no, Minimum specs are a 1Ghz Snapdragon processor. 512MB of RAM and 512MB ROM.
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Its a complete no, Minimum specs are a 1Ghz Snapdragon processor. 512MB of RAM and 512MB ROM.
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Shyt man, BUT is there a way we can have it modified for X1, or atleast the Zune Music Player for my X1..
plz plz DevGods...I pray thee..
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Shyt man, BUT is there a way we can have it modified for X1, or atleast the Zune Music Player for my X1..
plz plz DevGods...I pray thee..
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omg.....
first according to the requirements. I say to you nooooo way in hell. The X1 have everything WinPhone 7 hates, low res. not enough ram, cpu etc........
second of all, until MIX10 no dev here really knows what they are working with....
my opinion on the "new windows mobile"....
i can't imagine microsoft built a complete new OS. Maybe the Core (CE 6.0) and the GUI. They abandoned some old stuff like the start menu. but the basic things are still there (status bar at the top like in winmo 6.5.x and soft buttons at the bottom)
So it's very likely (from a developers view) that things work like in winmo6.5 under the hood. you'll still have a registry to break / improve stuff, a filesystem like fat32. microsoft has never taken a step and reinvented the wheel. they always used old stuff for their systems (windows 7 still includes an old dialog from win3.11)
Since they still use the active sync protocol you'll be able to work with the registry if old registry apps don't work anymore. the bootloader (read. spl) will still be the same so people can still flash stuff and read the memory in spl mode...
yeah... theres some pretty interesting stuff comming up (changes in marketplace, zune integration, zune worldwide, gaming and future apps). but time will tell and me thinks this is some sort of hype and panic atm.
just my 2 cents
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my opinion on the "new windows mobile"....
i can't imagine microsoft built a complete new OS. Maybe the Core (CE 6.0) and the GUI. They abandoned some old stuff like the start menu. but the basic things are still there (status bar at the top like in winmo 6.5.x and soft buttons at the bottom)
So it's very likely (from a developers view) that things work like in winmo6.5 under the hood. you'll still have a registry to break / improve stuff, a filesystem like fat32. microsoft has never taken a step and reinvented the wheel. they always used old stuff for their systems (windows 7 still includes an old dialog from win3.11)
Since they still use the active sync protocol you'll be able to work with the registry if old registry apps don't work anymore. the bootloader (read. spl) will still be the same so people can still flash stuff and read the memory in spl mode...
yeah... theres some pretty interesting stuff comming up (changes in marketplace, zune integration, zune worldwide, gaming and future apps). but time will tell and me thinks this is some sort of hype and panic atm.
just my 2 cents
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Wouldn't be so sure about all that...
operative1 said:
my opinion on the "new windows mobile"....
i can't imagine microsoft built a complete new OS. Maybe the Core (CE 6.0) and the GUI. They abandoned some old stuff like the start menu. but the basic things are still there (status bar at the top like in winmo 6.5.x and soft buttons at the bottom)
So it's very likely (from a developers view) that things work like in winmo6.5 under the hood. you'll still have a registry to break / improve stuff, a filesystem like fat32. microsoft has never taken a step and reinvented the wheel. they always used old stuff for their systems (windows 7 still includes an old dialog from win3.11)
Since they still use the active sync protocol you'll be able to work with the registry if old registry apps don't work anymore. the bootloader (read. spl) will still be the same so people can still flash stuff and read the memory in spl mode...
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I also doubt that Microsoft started from scratch (meaning that every line of code is brand new), however if they created a new Core (CE 6.0), removed the legacy APIs and introduced a new API, it is a completely new operating system from a developer's point of view. For example: There might be a registry but that does not mean that third party applications have unlimited access to it and can change every item, because the necessary API is missing.
We will know more after MIX...
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omg.....
first according to the requirements. I say to you nooooo way in hell. The X1 have everything WinPhone 7 hates, low res. not enough ram, cpu etc........
second of all, until MIX10 no dev here really knows what they are working with....
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Dont know what you mean by low res.. X1 has WVGA.
Regardless, unless your device has snapdragon forget all hopes of an official OR hacked upgrade. It cannot be ported to your device. It is two versions of the wince kernel ahead. Complete new drivers are needed. Without the OEM releasing an update to your device or device with similar hardware it will not be ported to your device. I have heard rumors that touch hd2 will get an update but that remains to be seen.
Which one would you choose?
(Assuming that WP7 won't get major changes to its UI itself and that the prototype is the final version of WP7)
I voted for WP7 but the question is - when should I choose? Right now there's no Windows Phone 7. All we've seen is an unfinished UI prototype. I wouldn't switch my 6.5 for that. WP7 shows a lot of promise but how it will materialize and when isn't at all clear.
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I voted for WP7 but the question is - when should I choose? Right now there's no Windows Phone 7. All we've seen is an unfinished UI prototype. I wouldn't switch my 6.5 for that. WP7 shows a lot of promise but how it will materialize and when isn't at all clear.
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Good point here...
I voted WP7.
Why?
1. I dont like iPhone, because of all its restriction.
2. I am using WM6.1 (HTC Kaiser) and want to update/upgrade
3. I am about to move to Android, but I cannot get Nexus one here in my country.
However after I saw WP7, I think that would be my right choice to replace my HTC Kaiser.
I have been waiting for several years already and waiting another 1 year is fine with me
In the meantime I can still play around with Android on it.
gogol said:
1. I dont like iPhone, because of all its restriction.
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I hope you realize that WP7 is just as restricted...
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I hope you realize that WP7 is just as restricted...
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Hard to realize something that hasn't been announced.
It will be Android on Desire for me.. Have some experience with Android on the Hero which my brother has. Definitely much better than the Windows 6.5 on my TD2 and when Microsoft will release 7, Android will probably have some kind of new version too.. (a 2.5 or 3.0 next year maybe?)
You again?
And you sir, you got another super secret friend told you about that?
Of course there will be limitation or some kind of restriction on WP7, I knew that. But what exactly? I don't know.
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Well I agree that WM7 is a long way off. Might as enjoy WM6.5.x now while its here. The new GUI of the later builds is enough to keep you busy for a while. There are lots of new features and extras all the time. It is kind of ironic but the more I look at WM7 the more I see a generic OS like the motorolas use or something on a freebie cellphone.
WM6.5.x still has compatibility to thousands of apps and has a slew of homescreens to choose from to keep your appetite at bay for a while. I think WM7 looks cool... but like previously stated, it is too far to tell how it will actually play out. Are the videos we've seen just the homescreen, where the actual OS we're used to is underneath? Where is the file manager, start menu, etc. These are very important questions before waiting A YEAR to use it.
I would recommend just getting whatever you want now and by the time you're ready for a new one... WP7 will be out and you'll have a better understanding of how it works. I'd just hate to see you wait a year and the OS be a dud.
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You again?
And you sir, you got another super secret friend told you about that?
Of course there will be limitation or some kind of restriction on WP7, I knew that. But what exactly? I don't know.
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Looks pretty much confirmed to me, that WP7 will be restricted in EXACTLY the same ways as iPhone OS is.
(btw. they have the same kind of censorship in their Marketplace as Apple)
EVERYTHING announced so far goes perfectly in line with those rumors, so why should the rest of them be incorrect?
· WP7 will be announced at MWC, and there will be a demo, but this will be just the UX
· MIX will have specific developement focus sessions on WP7
· WP7 supports both Sliverlight (out of browser) and XNA
· Silverlight is version 3.0, with elements of 4.0 plus mobile specific features such as sensors etc
· XNA apps can be developed using XNA GameStudio 3.1
· SL apps developed using Expression Blend 3.x and VS2010
· MS will release a mobile version of VS / Expression which will be free, and VS2010 / Expression Pro will have a free add-on
· WP7 will have an equivalent of .NET CF embedded into SL, but no SQL.
· WP7 will have isolated storage which is accessible using LINQ
· The UX of WP7 is based upon a theme called “METRO” and is similar to Zune HD, but with a completely new “Start” screen.
· No multi-tasking (applications will pause when in the background, however they will support notifications using the MS Push Notifications environment)
· No .NET CF backwards compatibility, however a proportion of the data and business logic in .NET CF could be ported
· MS were confident to have devices ready for Sep 2010
· No MS manufactured device, however much tighter control of manufacturing process, so as an example each device has a 3D processing chipset, and MS provide all of the device drivers. So no platform builder. This enables OTA updates and simplified model for ODM’s
· Marketplace will support buy and try before you buy, as well as an API
· ODM / OEM will not be able to modify the “Start” screen, so no more HTC Sense / TouchFlo etc.
· MS are actually ahead of schedule which will surprise the analysts / journalists
· Browsing experience is currently faster / better than iPhone 3G, and they are aiming towards 3GS.
· Browser is based upon desktop IE7 codebase, but with some IE8 functionality
· No in browser Flash or SL
· WP7 has full integration with XBOX Live, and ability to purchase games
· WP7 will use the Zune software for music, videos, photos sync
· WP7 only supports app installation through service based delivery i.e. marketplace, so no side-loading
· MS will provide a hosted push notifications environment
That also answers the thread question: I hate restrictions, thus I'm going Android
I agree. WP7 is stupid OS for stupid phones and it is targeted at stupid (iPhone) consumers. Like somebody said before, it's not an OS, it's just Facebook on steroids. Android or Maemo are for us non-teenagers, power users etc.
For starter, you can have some customization WP7 Start Screen, while iPhone cant.
See? That's not EXACTLY like iPhone.
Oh well, let see after MIX if I still like WP7.
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Looks pretty much confirmed to me, that WP7 will be restricted in EXACTLY the same ways as iPhone OS is.
(btw. they have the same kind of censorship in their Marketplace as Apple)
EVERYTHING announced so far goes perfectly in line with those rumors, so why should the rest of them be incorrect?
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For starter, you can have some customization WP7 Start Screen, while iPhone cant.
See? That's not EXACTLY like iPhone.
Oh well, let see after MIX if I still like WP7.
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what's the difference between the giant squares of wm7 and iphone mini squares?
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what's the difference between the giant squares of wm7 and iphone mini squares?
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You pick and choose which 'giant squares' you get on your start screen on WP7 and they're actively updating ("Live Tiles") unlike the iPhone's static icons (73* and sunny!).
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You pick and choose which 'giant squares' you get on your start screen on WP7 and they're actively updating ("Live Tiles") unlike the iPhone's static icons (73* and sunny!).
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Well, that's not much of a difference. You can choose which "mini squares" you want on your start screen on iPhone OS. That leaves us with only one advantage for WP7 - updating of live tiles. So, WP7 sounds like a newer iPhone OS version, nothing more. In fact, iPhone OS will (probably) support multitasking in the next version.
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Well, that's not much of a difference. You can choose which "mini squares" you want on your start screen on iPhone OS. That leaves us with only one advantage for WP7 - updating of live tiles. So, WP7 sounds like a newer iPhone OS version, nothing more. In fact, iPhone OS will (probably) support multitasking in the next version.
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What kinda of multi tasking do you need? According to what I've read and seen. If you have an app open and then open another. The first one will be suspended but if you hit the back button on the phone it will take you right back to where you left off on the previous app. That pretty much like multitasking. It will still remember what you were doing on the app when you change. And then items that require to be active in the background will beable to with approval. I don't need my calculator active in the background when I switch apps. That's just one more thing I need to close all the time with my task manager at the moment.
I don't get it, what make you think WP7 = newer iPhone OS?
If let say the Start Screen can have background image customization, will you still say "Right, that is newer iPhone OS because in the future iPhone OS will have that feature as well".
Then what? iPhone will have Xbox integration as well?
And the "hubs" concept, is that also the next iPhone OS feature?
If that's what you believe, then everything will be the newer iPhone OS.
Of course there will be similarities, or similar restrictions, but saying they are exactly the same is just wrong.
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Well, that's not much of a difference. You can choose which "mini squares" you want on your start screen on iPhone OS. That leaves us with only one advantage for WP7 - updating of live tiles. So, WP7 sounds like a newer iPhone OS version, nothing more. In fact, iPhone OS will (probably) support multitasking in the next version.
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For starter, you can have some customization WP7 Start Screen, while iPhone cant.
See? That's not EXACTLY like iPhone.
Oh well, let see after MIX if I still like WP7.
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True, that's an advantage. I do think, when you compare the two locked down platforms, WP7 is really much better.
But still, it's just as locked down as iPhone OS. I don't want that. I want something that's open like Android (or WM6.5, but that's doomed).
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What kinda of multi tasking do you need?
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The same as on Windows XP or Windows 7 or WinMo 6X. Simply - multitasking.
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Of course there will be similarities, or similar restrictions, but saying they are exactly the same is just wrong.
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I'm not saying they are the same, but they are very similar. I hate iPhone OS (because of restrictions), and now I hate WP7 (for the same reasons).
watch apple will sue microsoft for a sliding to unlock mechanism XD
anyway its too early to tell, but i do wish there would be more apps developed for windows mobile 6.5 =\ i mean theres not much to do once you get done with all the nitty gritty stuff
i just have to say even though i am living with my desire and android if you think windows was worse with all its faults it wasnt, i so fed up with how poor android is that i have to come and say android is **** as **** as windows ever was so ram a sock in it ahh feel better.
Seems like you wouldnt get along with ANY operating system... maybe even iOS is too hard to handle for you.
Solution: Get a Dynatac 8000 by Motorola. It was the first of all MobilePhones and should totally cover your needs
Seriously, learn to give some arguments when you already decided to post some bul*s#@t
Greets Mate
Windows better!
I assume you are talking about your windows double glazing of your home, if that is the case Andriod is useless in comparison and I agree!
If you are talking about Windows Pocket PC in comparison then I can only assume you have not turned your Desire on yet!
Sam
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Seems like you wouldnt get along with ANY operating system... maybe even iOS is too hard to handle for you.
Solution: Get a Dynatac 8000 by Motorola. It was the first of all MobilePhones and should totally cover your needs
Seriously, learn to give some arguments when you already decided to post some bul*s#@t
Greets Mate
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Off topic.
I'm loving that Motorola
Just imagine the hardware they could fit in that if someone had the balls to make a phone that big today?
I have a Dynatac 8000 on my mantle peice .
The one on there dynatec 8000 is perfect.
Could we please get some pertinent, on-topic comments here? I am also interested in a realistic comparison between these two OS, cause I am about to switch from WM to Android and I'm not sure I will have the same functionality...
Thanks in advance.
Conrad
Well, I switched from WinMo 6.1 on an HTC Touch Cruise. It had a nice custom ROM and worked very well.
The Desire is just fabulous to hold and play with, but it doesn't do any more than the Win phone. Desire screen is beautiful and so much more responsive than the old one. Internet surfing is much better.
Having flashed the old phone's ROM many times, you might think that I'd jump in to doing the same with the Desire, particularly as it only has 2.1 not Froyo yet.
But, I'm nervous about it ..... all this talk of rooting drives me up the wall!
And, I have to buy sat nav all over again - Middle east, Europe and South Africa - there goes 200 Euros! (no, Google directions don't work here).
Sorry to ramble on.
HTH.
Right. I miss my Pocket PC. I miss how ActiveSync would lose the partnership every so often. And how I had duplicates everywhere in Outlook after I re-created the partnership.
Are you for real? Android wins over WinMo 6.5 anytime. I have used a WinMo device for over 2 years and Android is a hell lot better then WinMo, and no, it is not even as unstable as WinMo.
I love android but i find it so unstable, unrooted stock. Killed the original sd card, my new sd card is partly corrupt. Stupid apps issue no space (i know u can root but u shouldnt have to).
Otherwise android has loads of pros against winmo and id choose android any day.
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(taking about stock android, not htc stuff on top of it)
Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android).
Missing a proper bluetooth stack.
Missing a robust email client
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures
Missing a functional gallery
Missing the birthday and anniversary field
Missing a call recording app
Missing proper gsm/wav support
Missing a real install to sdcard function
Missing a real integration with Office
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates
Missing a stylus (hehe)
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience
But I agree that htc sense on top of android is miles ahead of manila on top of winmo, especially since you are comparing winmo devices quite older than desire & co.
You can't compare the two. It's like comparing an amiga 2000 to a pentium powered PC
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what have you got against the Amiga 2000 !! >:d
I went with android because I believe Google is slightly less evil than Microsoft.
As far as the os is concerned they both have pros and cons, its down to personal preference in the end.
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what have you got against the Amiga 2000 !! >:d
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Nothing ! It was actually a praise
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Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android). - did ms give you customer support for winmo??
Missing a proper bluetooth stack. - no its not get your facts straight
Missing a robust email client - yet again no its not lol
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures - oh no thats a deal breaker lol
Missing a functional gallery - erm ok if ya say so pal
Missing the birthday and anniversary field - no its not duh
Missing a call recording app - only a perv needs to record calls lol
Missing proper gsm/wav support - yes just what we all need a hasbeen audio codec lol
Missing a real install to sdcard function - nand chips are big enough these days this isnt needed....
Missing a real integration with Office - it neva guna happen end of the day use your head
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates - just because google updates the os and microsoft dosent, hows that bad? the udate function was just for show on winmo cuz ms are lazy
Missing a stylus (hehe) - not even worth a retort lol
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience - from your last post its also missing an educated audience
Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android). - did ms give you customer support for winmo??
Yes, there was an email address and a phone number.android has forum support, which is non existent
Missing a proper bluetooth stack. - no its not get your facts straight
Android bluetooth stack is really poor and unstable
Missing a robust email client - yet again no its not lol
Gmail client has only recently fixed some major bugs about quotation and links. Stock email client is lacking a lot of functions
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures - oh no thats a deal breaker lol
Yes it is
Missing a functional gallery - erm ok if ya say so pal
3D android gallery is slow, dodgy and has an awful crop function for contacts
Missing the birthday and anniversary field - no its not duh
Stock android contacts don't have those fields
Missing a call recording app - only a perv needs to record calls lol
I won't even comment that
Missing proper gsm/wav support - yes just what we all need a hasbeen audio codec lol
Most voip answering machines send messages as attachments in that format.
Missing a real install to sdcard function - nand chips are big enough these days this isnt needed....
Funny you have a desire with 120 MB for applications...
Missing a real integration with Office - it neva guna happen end of the day use your head
Use what ? Have you ever worked in a professional environment?
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates - just because google updates the os and microsoft dosent, hows that bad? the udate function was just for show on winmo cuz ms are lazy
Yeah right
Missing a stylus (hehe) - not even worth a retort lol
Whew
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience - from your last post its also missing an educated audience
What else to say...half your post has spelling errors, the other half is a "lol"
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I forsee in the future an new all encompassing OS called WinDroid mwuahahahaaa *cough*
I've used both, WinMo 6.5 on a hd2, and Android 2.2 on a Desire. The Desire I found is brilliant and really shows how much both Android devices and the Android operating system have come on since the initial release (my first android was a htc Hero running cupcake).
WinMo is good, i just find Android does better, the things I require from a mobile device. I guess its the apps that are streets ahead on Android, and the amount of free ones available. Windows mobile app development has pretty much come to a grinding holt, and even the apps that are available for both platforms, they seem so much better on Android (facebook app is a good example).
Also its interesting using the touch screen on WinMo 6.5 on the hd2 and also using it on Android on the hd2 also. Its like your using a different handset? The screen is so much more responsive using Android its unreal.
I really like the hd2 but after using the desire aswell, the Desire running 2.2 is my weapon of choice.
Of course the desire has my preference at the moment, of course it's also one generation ahead of my old touch hd.
My post was to point out some aspect of the immaturity and - at times - non-professional aspects of android.
It isn't out yet, but give me wp7 over the same desire hardware and I'm not so 100% sure which I will choose between htc sense and wp7. Give me stock android vs wp7 and I will choose wp7 blindly. Give me winmo 6.5.3 vs stock android and I will choose stock android very reluctantly.
I don't give so much importance if android has 20000 games, 30000 cool apps, etc. I only need 10-20 well made programs.
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