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I was wondering when I have upgraded my Himalaya with Magneto. Too many bugs made me worry. The 2 biggest was:
-ActiveSync wasn't working...
-Too many applications that I was using with Diamond cannot install...
Can anyone explain me WHY is this incompatibility there? I don't understand WHY Magneto is not able to install/run applications that on 2003SE are working perfectly.
Thanx.
oh oh oh ...
imagine , you've got a pc , with windows98 and a lot of software installed ....
and , you install windows xp sp2 on your pc , but you install all the old soft you have installed on your windows 98 ...
Do you really think that all your old soft run fine with win xp sp2 ???
Nooooo
it's the same with wm2005
wm2005 is a new os , and like with news , some old softwares don't run anymore
Yes I thing...
...and I know that's normal. This is a wrong example,because all the old PC soft that I have in my comp works fine in XP. Upgraded from '98. In XP you can run also new MS-DOS apps. WM2k3se/2k5 is not like 98/XP in PC.
Ex:Intellipad is not working in 2003,but only in 2003se! Therefore I thing,that's relatively new software. However this soft is not running in Magneto. I say it once again. WHY this uncompatibility? It's a wrong step for Microsoft.
hard to say for sure who is to blame
if it's the 3th party programmers who are cutting corners and making hacks in their programs and those hacks then are not compatible when ms make their os more "stable" or deside to inforce the rules more strictly
or if it's ms who change the stk and how things are don in the os because they feel like it and dont care if it means that 3th party programs will have issues
or if ms are doing the 3th party programmers a favour by making sure they can sell upgrades / new versions of their software
XM5
It's called MONEY.
If you upgrade your OS then in some (not all cases) you have to upgrade the software - and that costs you money.
Their viewpoint is:-
Why should the companies who write the software for one OS in particular have to cough up to make changes to that software when a new OS version comes out?
It is hard to make software forward compatible when you don't know what/when it is coming out.
Upgrade OS at your own peril.
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A little bit crazy...
MS WinXP supports the applications for Win98...
Then why not the same issue by mobile devices?
I don't understand coz it is not too much apps designated especially for Magneto. All the old software(even though it is very good) is then unusable...[/quote]
TomasNM said:
I was wondering when I have upgraded my Himalaya with Magneto. Too many bugs made me worry. The 2 biggest was:
-ActiveSync wasn't working...
-Too many applications that I was using with Diamond cannot install...
Can anyone explain me WHY is this incompatibility there? I don't understand WHY Magneto is not able to install/run applications that on 2003SE are working perfectly.
Thanx.
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Hi,
ActiveSync works perfectly in all possible ways: over irda, over bluetooth and over cradle (usb/com)
Did you install ActiveSync4???
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Yes I did it. I have tried up to 3 hours,have readed all the forums,did everything that's possible and no success to connection. I don't have IrDA in my laptop,but have built-in Bluetooth. No success also. Yes I couldn't connect that time via BT also with 2003se which works perfectly. Now I can connect via BT to AS,therefore it can't be so big problem. But the non-working applications made me worry. Shame... So good OS is the Magneto,but useless...
Don't get desperate!!
First things first, remember that this version of Magneto that you used to upgrade is not final. Hence, it will have bugs and compatibility issues. This is why most developers don't suggest people to install anything that is not final unless they absolutely need to.
As for the Windows XP vs 98 part of the thread, even though it is true that some 98 applications run flawlwessly on XP, you gotta remember what happened when XP first came out. Most (if not all) software and hardware to be installed warned you that you may have problems if you proceeded with the installation. Service packs and Windows updates knocked most of those issues out, which is why most 98 applications now run on XP. I hope this clarifies things
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Thanx. I didn't watch the PCOS Windows evolution and therefore I didn't know,that XP was the same example as Magneto. If the final version of WM 5.0 will be as the WinXP and the old-applications friendly,then it will be very good piece of software.
Hi Guys this is my first post so please be nice .
Anyways i have a desay m9(from china) with wm5 (smart phone) os5.1.478 (build 15706.3.5.2) I thought it was a Normal windows mobile 5. My phone has touch screen and an xscale pxa270 312mhz processor.
I was wondering if there is ANY way of upgrading to a real wm5 os thats not a smart phone edition?? or even better upgrading to wm6?? Or is there any way to emulate a real wm5 or6?? I dont like wm5 smartphone edition. Its too limitted and i cant install verytghing thats wm5 supported. I have very lil knowledge of wm. If there is anything that can help it would be great. You see i cant send any messages because the abc on my phone is in chinese and not handy at all. I know the real wm5 has atleast a virtual keyboard. Can any please help me or guide me to alternative solution>>?? eg: Some kind of writing software that works with sms's or some kind of wm6 emulator that i can launch on my phone? Or some kind of way to hack it?? Please anythin.
thanks in advance.
desay help with upgreade
Hi guys. All i want to know is if i can just download any version of wm6 or 5 and install it like a pc.
I never done it but i dont like wm5 smart phone edition. Its a touch screen smart phone...cant i upgrade to wm6?? please help.
No, you cant upgrade your smartphone to windows mobile 5.0 pocket pc edition, or to windows mobile 6.0.
But you can install windows mobile pocket pc application on windows mobile smartphone edition.
Link to site with explanations in your private messages.
hello
me too ive buy this phone and im verry strong to this wm5 'strange edition"
why we cant upgrade to wm6 or just wm5 'normal' edition?
can youi gimme the link to me for application cause all application i try is 'no for use on windwos ce" grrrr
thanks you all!!
ooo
Please give me link to normal WM too...Its terrible=(
Somebody give me link too..
Please guys give me some information or useful links about DESAY m9!
Don't ever ask again.
You know your device is strange, so nobody can help you.
If you insist to use WM instead of SP, go port the ROM yourself (and figure out how to flash the image yourself).
hello
starkwong what do you mean by sp?
thanks
Can anyone tell me how I can install "WM5 for Pocket PC" applications on this mobile phone?
hey noboday have a
soluce?
I'm really sorry if this is posted to the wrong forum or is way too much of a noob question but I was wondering if any of you could explain what the differences are between the different Windows Mobile 6/6.1/6.5 versions?
I'm asking here because I have an 8525 and have been using it with the official HTC upgrade to 6.0 ever since that version was released. I have also been a long time user of SPB Pockets Plus and recently upgraded to SPB Mobile Shell 3 which I am finding to be an incredible improvement however I am wondering what the newer version's of Mobile would add to my phone?
In case this matters for the potential usefullness of different versions, I am currently using my phone as both a business phone (I am at onsites more than in my office) as well as for personal amusement so I tend to use its ability to surf the web, check my email, access logmein, read various file types including txt, rtf, pdf, lit, etc. I am considering getting a Fortress once they come out so I can have a bigger screen but I guess that will depend on the price. Anyways, if anyone could clue me in on what the benefits are on upgrading my 8525 to the various versions I would be most gratefull, thanks in advance.
Well
Im not an expert but im a user since windows mobile 2003.
Windows Mobile 2003: The OS was fast... its stability offers to the user a new experince on a usage for a phone... you know eventough in that years the awsome images from Nokia or some other phone with Symbian OS offers nicely at sees the phone contacts and you cand add a little mor programs... cause programs in a phone isnt anything important... important.... was the signal strength so... WM2003 offer all the windows apps to a new whole device... but windows mobile 2003 jumps to A phone version! it was amazing i remember wel the HTC Blueangel! it was a big jump cause even if I use a casiopedia with windows CE isnt amazing than WM2033 from the HP iPAQ it has phone signal now... not a treo cause it allows you to see and edit offiece files! the most magnifiq use of that OS was The bluetooth manager **** that was a wizard!
Lately comes the WM5
But what da heck WM5 was so ugly?
Windows Mobile 5
This is the jump betwen ne images and new performance but because of that the OS was soooooo slooooooow i remember its bar like metallic awful! lol!!!!!
But what about the performance? it was stable hard as a stone!!!! many apps mostly dissapear in that jump from 2003 to WM5 and many of new comes from wm5... i really think that if we could have another device with WM5 maybe i could be dissapointed and drop off the WM devices but fortunatly i found a HTC Wizard aka Qtek9100... it was nice but it was slow... i love the skype i love the push email with the AKU2 holy ****! was a big hit! that aku... but the most impressionant was that we can see mostly the same Inteface as WM2003 but kindly better... not so for me.
Windows Mobile 6
After fall in this big forum in 2007 i cant remember where do i get all my apps and cabs... hardly for sure... when i get here... i wasamazed how coul the WM5 looks like this awsome UI i remember the change betwen WM2003 to WM5 and a say amazing buit ugly compared to SYmbian or PAlm os, but it has a new Speed... amazing speed!!! the old lovley BT manager dissapears but the new commanager was amazing the OS was a amzing and the messenger! all that new apps with flash growin up... really muck me up... I hate in sometime this site cause i think i screwed up my phone... but i couldnt understand the entire process of unlockin a phone from an official to a custom rom... and my device dont boots anymore so... my batt drops to the bottom it has no charge to try another Original upgrade and save it... so i wait a little buy a wall batt charger and that do the trick.... So much apps came in WM6. the htc touch with the cube was so incredible!
Windows Mobile 6.1
This looks like the 6 but the only change I can feel is the Speed no the performance... but the NetCF came and save us all it gives so much stability so much speed and compatibility to some more apps and development becomes fats to show us the Visual programming... In this part... the Touchflo isnt compatible and many people try to reach the cube and get it works but nothing it couldnt happend! many Flash players do the trick but with so much ram in it... Time for the Manilla to arrives... I mean first the new Touchflo 2 in 3D with the amazing Diamond!!!!!! that was a crack!!! really all people try to hack that applet but... none can
so it must be something to do in older devices with Processors that dont has 3d acelerators... and someone did it... there is a forgotten thread a biiiiiiig thread developing the manila 2D working for NON HTC DEVICES patch and it works very well kind year ago or year and a half... the mostly change betwen the 6 and 6.1 was the threaded SMS its all about the speed to be important for 6.1 all the UI remains since wm5.
Windows Mobile 6.5
We all wait for WM7 and M$ comes with his 6.5 new UI honeycomb start menu... new titanium transparencies and so much!!!! letters from some private investigator from the developmente mobile department sayin we gonna screw you all if post anything about 6.5 comes to town in Blueangel device.... YES BLUEANGEL!!!!!! that old device with wm2003 was the first to get 6.5 and man.... THANKS really thanks to SUN DReam!!! to show us the new 6.5... its all about the UI theperformnce when every beta build comes more fast... more stable
nicely in UI they shuts off the hexagons on the start menu... and improves more things like icons... but in compatibility since wm6.1 to 6.5 the files xlsx or docx or pptx cames from office 2007 can be oppened here on our devices...
I hope you can find the answer as you wish...
But remember once you flash your first ROM you will never stop... is like an adicction.
+ Que PPC
Wow man, really well put. You just took me for a trip down memory lane. Seems like yesterday when we were all drooling over wm5 aku2 then the cube. The suspense of the porting of wm6 we all called vanila. I had almost forgoten. Time flies.
Awesome answer!!!! Good to see this explanations for us the newbies...great.
Thanks
HTC Tytn
ROM: Shamanix WM6 Ultimate v2 Final
RADIO: 1.48.00.10
History: HTC VPA Compact (Magician), Jornada 720
Yes!!!
Something to remember! nice times...
And some other in hard researching!
Its amazing how the time flies and we still have this awsome site to be indeed with old devices at top of the new OS coming!
Ah! the windows mobile 2003! was amazing but i love wm6.5, somebody here that uses WMCE or 2002?
Does anybody know if there is WM 6.5 for acer n311?
Or is anybody going to create one?
Hi,
So far I haven't found any leads on this subject.
I guess the one who could do that might be football, but no news from him in WM6.1 forum.
I tried myself cooking a rom but I almost bricked my n311... so I stayed with WM6.1.
Too bad...
The new wm6.5 comeing WM 6.5 21884 19.01 2010
can used ram27 mb
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=152204
Hi, I know this thread is more dead than myself but, anyone has the build 28217? Or something near it?.
I have the only one I could find (aka 23518) but I have a problem with the bluetooth and some stuff.
If anyone could just search on their hard drive for it, like searching n311 or something, would be helpful. Thanks
I don't understand why would anyone even want wm6.5 it's just a bloated wm6.1. Wm6.1 was the best winmo they made and if you really want that more iphone like interface it can happen, thee are many 3rd party skinning programs.
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Hi all,
as in title, is it possible to downgrade HTC Uniwersal to Windows Mobile 2003?
No, WM5 only
Heniek_W said:
Hi all,
as in title, is it possible to downgrade HTC Uniwersal to Windows Mobile 2003?
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Why you want to downgraded to wm2003?
Heniek_W said:
Hi all,
as in title, is it possible to downgrade HTC Uniwersal to Windows Mobile 2003?
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It's like going back to windows 95 in your computer....
Uni came in with wm5 so you can not go before that, and there is no wm2003 roms for uni so NO...
tomal said:
Why you want to downgraded to wm2003?
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Yea, Why do you want to downgrade from wm5/6/6.1/6.5/6.5.1?
Cause everyone says, that Win 2003 was the best of Windows Mobile ever. So I want to try it
Haha, everyone who?
Yes, it was the best Windows Mobile ever....6 years ago.
yeah, but look
WM 5 was the slowest
WM 6 was qiute good, 6.1 too
WM 6.5 well......
And now I want try WM 2003 on my Uniwersal, cause for exemple 2003 for BlueAngel, as everyone says, is the best
Or maybe there is a Win CE for uniwersal?
i don't mean to bump this, however this needs to be said.
i wish there was a wm2003 for the universal. or at least a clean working vga wm5.
I got a universal a few days ago, i slapped wm6 realvga on it. res was great, loved it. speed? i couldnt even answer a phone call. Thats how slow WM6+ is. changing screen orientation caused me to miss phone calls. I've since downgraded to swat4's wm5, which lacks vga but overall is much much faster lmfao.
so.
wm2003(entire OS in ram, how can it not be faster?)>wm5>wm6.0>wm6.1>wm6.5.
if only i could figure out how to use ramfilesystem for wm5. that'd be fantastic.
Dpends which WM6 you use. Most of us have found a version we love and runs extremely fast, and would only revert to WM5 if we needed Video Call.
On that subject, I see fring is doing video call. It would be good if that comes over to WM devices
Just until recently I had HP hw6515 the beetle with 64 mb ram, PXA270 312 MHz and WM2003SE. And it was not better at all. The delay and lag was awful when you were about to receive call while doing something else, surfing for example. The only advantage was the old memory allocation where you could just slide the bar and decide what amount will be available for programs and what for storage.
I wouldnt trade id for WM6 or even 5.
Heniek_W said:
yeah, but look
WM 5 was the slowest
WM 6 was qiute good, 6.1 too
WM 6.5 well......
And now I want try WM 2003 on my Uniwersal, cause for exemple 2003 for BlueAngel, as everyone says, is the best
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WM5 was slower than WM2003 for other reasons than just the OS. This was when the WM platform switched from NOR to NAND flash chips. NOR is faster and allows programs to be executed directly without copying to RAM first. NAND flash operates more like disk and programs have to be copied to RAM before execution. This slows down the OS. NAND has other advantages though (cost, life expectancy).
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5870.html
hmm interesting
wm 2003 in this uni
Oh i'm also interested in the wm2003 - from the pictures, there should be an official wm2003 rom for the UNI but not available to the public...the article also mentionned 128 MB of RAM...Rom it should have said I guess.
I miss my old PDA2's system. it would be great to have it back on this Uni.