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I've flashed every Rom many times over the past couple weeks (it's my hobby,ok?) and taken notes.
And there's not much doubt at this point that although aesthetically the Black roms are by far #1 with me.
and Stability seems fairly equal amongst the 3 I've boiled it down to.......
But I have to say that in terms of UI speed, (and general percieved responsiveness),
LVSW's and Dutty's latest are (equally, btw) the front runners for some reason.
This is using the same (minimal) apps superimposed, and regardless of the 'storage vs speed' configurations I've uniformally applied.
Regardless, they're all a pleasure to run and am gratefull for the opportunity to utilize them.
rockky said:
I've flashed every Rom many times over the past couple weeks (it's my hobby,ok?) and taken notes.
And there's not much doubt at this point that although aesthetically the Black roms are by far #1 with me.
and Stability seems fairly equal amongst the 3 I've boiled it down to.......
But I have to say that in terms of UI speed, (and general percieved responsiveness),
LVSW's and Dutty's latest are (equally, btw) the front runners for some reason.
This is using the same (minimal) apps superimposed, and regardless of the 'storage vs speed' configurations I've uniformally applied.
Regardless, they're all a pleasure to run and am gratefull for the opportunity to utilize them.
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Can you list the versions of each rom you are talking about.
I have Black 3.01 installed...It is by far the fastest ROM so far.
the latest:
Dutty's premiem and LVSW new build full version.
I've gone back and forth and am fairly confident of my speed conclusion.
Check out either..app to app system tab to system tab changes were fairly instantaneous.... compared to the relative lag on Black 3..which I have now. But other stuff I like/need on Black'l likely have me stay here.
If you need concrete benchmarks rather than a "seat of your pants" feel then use SKToolks benchmark utility.
yes, I do need to download that....and I know someone posted benchmark comparisons with the differences insignificant.......but my perceptions unfortunately don't cuncur...not sure why.
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If you need concrete benchmarks rather than a "seat of your pants" feel then use SKToolks benchmark utility.
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Not really accurate, my 1.3 was significantly faster then 1.2 imho but benchmarked lower on spb's benchmark app.
Yeah I got the feeling that Sktools wasn't consistant when I used it to benchmark my Blackjack when testing various different settings and tweaks...
do we really need so many competing roms? it;s hard to choose between the many 2.1 roms for my hero
steelbytes said:
do we really need so many competing roms? it;s hard to choose between the many 2.1 roms for my hero
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Yeah, we do. The ROM devs are in most cases developing the ROMs to suit their own needs for a ROM, but also so kind that they share them with others, while other devs are doing it to learn about android, development etc. If you have problems choosing which ROM to use, stay with the stock - otherwise flash, experiment and have fun!
As a general rule, the more chefs you have, the better the overall quality of all the ROMs.
Whilst it is "logical" to try to have several chefs work on a single ROM, the reality of the situation is that tight collaboration is very difficult when you are talking about something that is generally only developed in peoples spare time.
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Dave
It is a bit annoying to see 6 replicas of one rom, just with a few different apps chucked in. That's the nature of Android development these days though. I think it was Cyanogen that suggested that a proficiency with Winzip makes you a 'developer' these days...
Personally, I don't see it as a competition. If I could help out Benhaam or Lox in any way with one of their roms, I would.
To be totally truthful, pick ANY of the current Eris builds, and the chances are there isn't much of a difference between them. It's better to pick a rom with an active dev and following in my opinion.
don't worry i have flashed happily, as I can't live with stock 1.5 (come on htc, please release 2.1 for the hero). just felt like whinging after studying this forum to try and guess which rom would best suit me and finding not much clear info.
am running neo 1.3 (2.1+sense) on my hero, and stock 2.1 on my nexusone. very interesting to compare and contrast the two - unsure if I prefer sense or not, but do like (need) the htc exchange client having calendar support (hey googgle, why doesn't stock android have this?)
as i tested all Eris rom here villain3.3 is most stable but i still revert back to SenseHero 1.6 which more smoother run & it is an ART WORK! Hope the offcial 2.1 for hero will out soon ='(
ahh finally i can vent my frustration. its not the amount of roms that are available that bothers me as the devs on here are quite good but the way they dont seem to work together nor communicate. i may be rom. all the devs on here are busy working with this bugged up Eris dump and everything else has been neglected. All the Eris roms are more or less the same and all more or less offer the same positives and negatives. Vanillian which is a fantastic rom has all been neglected so all we have to flash apart from Ahero 0.52 are all the same thing. it doesnt take long to flash all the 2.1 Eris dumps roms on offer before you find yourself running back to MCR or Sensehero due to that bugged up dump. it would be nice to see some form of variety in this forum and not every chef offering 2.1 Eris roms which are far from complete. each dev adds something different to their roms but alas they do not make that mucvh different to the end product. come on guys not all of us want to use 2.1 Eris dumps, we also like the vanilla options too. soon when Legend dump is available we will have similar 6 roms with Legend roms. there is not much vareity in this forum and it be nice to see more vareity on here. i have flashed them all, yep all the bugged up Eris ports and always head back to 1.5 for various reasons...........however Ahero 0.52 is there to save the day and offer a different alternate solution.
please dont flame me for expressing my opinion. feel free to express yours as i have done mine.
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its not the amount of roms that are available that bothers me as the devs on here are quite good but the way they dont seem to work together nor communicate.
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Actually, the devs communicate quite well via Twitter. If I'm not mistaken, Lox and Behnaam likes to communicate via Gtalk (from what I followed).
steelbytes said:
do we really need so many competing roms? it;s hard to choose between the many 2.1 roms for my hero
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No, we don't. And we shouldn't. Why?
Look at the Linux distribution arena (and not only).
They're a lot, but none is really viable on everyday desktop/laptop use.
The reason is simple: fragmentation.
Fragmentation of (scarce) human resources.
Fragmentation of (even more scarce) economic resources.
Fragmentation of the (ever growing) user base.
The same goes for the graphical desktop environments (KDE, GNOME, Xfce to name a few).
On the opposite side we have the internet browser and the *BSD OSes.
We actually have much fewer actors, with stabler products, better engineering.
What I'd like to see in the Android arena is a very stable and effective software base on top of which a relatively large number (I'd say about 5 and less than 10) of UI tweakers and developers push the user experience to the max.
But, again, a single high quality software base (that is the kernel, the system libraries and so on).
This's my EUR 0.005 contribution.
Linux technically is not the OS Linux it is the kernel, its not fragmented at all, as the developers submit the changes and its decided by a set group, the same as any closed dev team would do but they are at different world locations.
Because of how BSD is closed off it takes 3x longer for new software to be implemented..and driver are a nightmare
If the rom dev sub foum was not so cluttered with things that don't belong in it like this thread that should really be in the Q&A section, it would be easier to keep track of the roms..
my 1p woth..
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Linux technically is not the OS Linux it is the kernel
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Linux is the kernel. And GNU/LInux is the (basic) OS with all the GNU stuff.
So I can say that 99% of Linux kernel based distros are Linux.
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its not fragmented at all, as the developers submit the changes and its decided by a set group, the same as any closed dev team would do but they are at different world locations.
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It is fragmented. Take an application at random, let's say Openoffice or GIMP.
You cannot just download ONE aplication and install it on any distro. That's not because of the packaging medium (RPM, DEB, TGZ etc.) but because of software and library dependecies and other system dependent choices.
If you choose, let's say, Ubuntu 9.10 and the package (version) you need is not available for it, then it's up to you to invest in time in makeing an hand made installation ...
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Because of how BSD is closed off it takes 3x longer for new software to be implemented..and driver are a nightmare
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That's because the human resources are scarse, not because of the "closed" model. And then you have a choice among super-distributions on top of FreeBSD, though.
anarchyuk said:
If the rom dev sub foum was not so cluttered with things that don't belong in it like this thread that should really be in the Q&A section, it would be easier to keep track of the roms..
my 1p woth..
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I can count not less than half a dozen of 2.1 based ROMs all with very minor differences each other. And the same goes for the 1.5.
I cannot swear on it, but I think that the biggest gap is in less than 5% of the whole system.
EUR 0.005 ~ GBP 0.01
Uqbar said:
I can count not less than half a dozen of 2.1 based ROMs all with very minor differences each other. And the same goes for the 1.5.
I cannot swear on it, but I think that the biggest gap is in less than 5% of the whole system.
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5%? How did you come to such a precise conclusion?
Do share your calculations with us.
I guess you didn't take into account some of the AOSP based ROMs.
I do agree; there's A LOT of cloning; a guy taking someone's ROM, repackaging with some "customization", and calling it his own work.
This is one of the reasons I totally left the WinMo devving, but I knew it was a matter of time till the same happened to the Android scene.
That's sad, but true.
I don't even care about some of the guys calling themselves "devs", just because they "released" a few roms, who don't even give credit to the people, thanks to whom they learnt/started.
As long as they get enough attention to their thread, they no longer care about the aformentioned. What for? ... It's like a machine which just turns itself after a while.
The more ROMS we have the better, the thread title is a backwards title.
No calculation. Simply I compare performances and features from 3.3 to 3.4.
3.4 is no more stable or fast than 3.4, to me at least.
Memory footprint is almost the same. Not FC in aither ROM ...
And I bet that if nprussel brought anything bigger than 5% he would have put it into the annoucement.
Instead it shows little more than new application list and a GUI theme.
Uqbar said:
No calculation. Simply I compare performances and features from 3.3 to 3.4.
3.4 is no more stable or fast than 3.4, to me at least.
Memory footprint is almost the same. Not FC in aither ROM ...
And I bet that if nprussel brought anything bigger than 5% he would have put it into the annoucement.
Instead it shows little more than new application list and a GUI theme.
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My point about the fragmentation was in relation to the kernel not a minor thing like dependency's that really has no relation to fragmentation, The Distribution is called a Linux based distribution not "Linux" in an entirety!
Anyway... I know what the above posters are getting at when it comes to people making a minor change to other peoples dumps and claiming to be dev's when really they are nothing more than cooks.
No to take away any credit for what the produce but if you look at the g1 forums it seems a mass of good work, but very little low level development actually happens on the hero side.
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5%? How did you come to such a precise conclusion?
Do share your calculations with us.
I guess you didn't take into account some of the AOSP based ROMs.
I do agree; there's A LOT of cloning; a guy taking someone's ROM, repackaging with some "customization", and calling it his own work.
This is one of the reasons I totally left the WinMo devving, but I knew it was a matter of time till the same happened to the Android scene.
That's sad, but true.
I don't even care about some of the guys calling themselves "devs", just because they "released" a few roms, who don't even give credit to the people, thanks to whom they learnt/started.
As long as they get enough attention to their thread, they no longer care about the aformentioned. What for? ... It's like a machine which just turns itself after a while.
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Hey man.. Am I missing something or aren't you cooking anymore?
OT: i totally agree by what you say about releasing a rom that just doesn't need any hardcore coding. Even I without any linux skills can "cook" (read: remove / add apps) This is not creating a rom. This is personalizing one to suit your needs.
Creating a rom imho is coming up with new (speed) hacks or options to make it more functional. Or better looking. From what I "learned" even creating a skin isn't that easy as it was with winmo with all that scripting.
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Meh, I have a G1, its pretty obvious when roms stand out, for the G1
SuperD (1.6)
FastTest (1.6) based on SuperD, but bleeding edge
CyanogenMod (1.6) Stable, more than anything
OpenEclair (2.1) Collaborative project between ChrisSaywer/WesGarner
and for 2.1 sense roms, I normally run a KingKlick rom...
it seems, for stability, and general acceptance that Fresh is the way to go, but there are other builds that use his stuff for a base that are more bleeding edge but have improvements... its pretty easy to see whats popular just by a view/post count on the thread.
Uqbar said:
No calculation. Simply I compare performances and features from 3.3 to 3.4.
3.4 is no more stable or fast than 3.4, to me at least.
Memory footprint is almost the same. Not FC in aither ROM ...
And I bet that if nprussel brought anything bigger than 5% he would have put it into the annoucement.
Instead it shows little more than new application list and a GUI theme.
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VillainROM 3.3:
1. Linpack: 2.336 MFLOPS (more is better)
2. BenchmarkPi: 13664ms (less is better)
3. Benchmark: (more is better)
* Graphic: Total graphics score - 123.18746
* CPU: Total CPU score - 157.91457
* Memory: Total memory score - 139.30379
* Filesystem: Total filesystem score - 25.63833
VillainROM 3.4:
1. Linpack: 2.372 MFLOPS (more is better)
2. BenchmarkPi: 13049ms (less is better)
3. Benchmark: (more is better)
* Graphic: Total graphics score - 129.06668
* CPU: Total CPU score - 149.84908
* Memory: Total memory score - 131.71753
* Filesystem: Total filesystem score - 34.176556
I suppose 5% is close. I didn't claim it would be significantly quicker. It's definitely quicker though.
Anyway, that's besides the point.
Benham is leading the way right now in my opinion, but I have just got my hands on a Legend leak, that I have got to boot on the Hero. I'm currently trying to get all the hardware working (Wifi, mic, back speaker, GPS all not working). I have asked a couple of other developers for some help, and we'll probably release it as a community release.
I think the rom developers should start working together and create teams. Maybe some could focus on fixing stability issues, some on improving speed and compatibility, some on implementing features from other rom releases and some on optimizing and implementing themes. There is a optimum for the OS, so why put a lot of time and effort into fixing the same bugs and problems over and over again in different rom releases? The differences lay within the themes and included features, which could be made available as separate (and optional) installer packages. So I say..... organize and collaborate! Independent Android development (independent from the manufacturers) as a community will be much more powerful and professional.
Different branches could emerge from the Hero branch easily, making the developers base grow and 'interaction' between the different branches a lot easier.
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I think the rom developers should start working together and create teams. Maybe some could focus on fixing stability issues, some on improving speed and compatibility, some on implementing features from other rom releases and some on optimizing and implementing themes. There is a optimum for the OS, so why put a lot of time and effort into fixing the same bugs and problems over and over again in different rom releases? The differences lay within the themes and included features, which could be made available as separate (and optional) installer packages. So I say..... organize and collaborate! Independent Android development (independent from the manufacturers) as a community will be much more powerful and professional.
Different branches could emerge from the Hero branch easily, making the developers base grow and 'interaction' between the different branches a lot easier.
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So, err..in other words; Workers of the world unite? well, im a keen supporter of that
I'm having trouble finding benchmarks or anything of the sort to figure out which ROM for the G2 is the fastest/best. Right now, I'm using CM7 Nightly, and it's definitely a huge improvement over the original, but before I settle in and keep it for good, I'm wondering if there's anything else I should consider.
Don't care about Sense UI or fancy animations or anything like that, just want something fast and simple (although I would like at least most of the CM7-specific options if possible, such as having the status bar at the bottom of the screen). Not interested in SD-based stuff, my SD card is only 8GB and class 2.
I gotta say I really liked coredroid but the mexidroid chili is the best rom I've used in my opinion. Smooth, battery is great, and its easy on the eyes.
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I gotta say I really liked coredroid but the mexidroid chili is the best rom I've used in my opinion. Smooth, battery is great, and its easy on the eyes.
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Any idea how they compare to Pyromod or SuperCM7? I've seen mention and videos touting both as being very fast.
MeXdroid ghost chili is the smoothest and fastest rom I have used. You have to try it. You will not regret it.
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Not a fan of pyromod..that bkahblah dude is a ****. Guys says "you CANT" use his stuff without asking and the first time he released pyro he openly admitted he bit of myjbarr. But whatever some people are cooler than other.
But I'm seriously not being biased when I say the hot chili is as responsive as iphone(yes haters iphone still has the smoothesg os in regards to responsiveness) give it a shot man its painless lol.
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I agree with the post above. meXdroidMod is by far the best rom I have ever used. It's fast,stable and nice to look at.
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Same here, of all the rom I've tested, MeXdroid Prechilli is the best so far.
Tested:
*Ultimate droid -blackdroid.
*all virtuous roms
*Insertcoin
*all villian series roms
I have to agree on the meXdroid as well.
Getting 3027 on Quadrant off of PyroMod 2.3.5, making it even faster than CM6 was. I would like to jump on the Mexdroid bandwagon, but it was laggy and I got force closes every two seconds (yes, I wiped). It only took me an hour to switch back to PM.
My quadrant with meXdroidMod is 3374. I will upload a screen shot when I get home.
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my opinions (since I'm sick of seeing these threads and am having a bad morning ):
-mexdroid is ugly but functional. mjybarr apparently will be putting out a non-themed version.. possibly interested. I like the dev team, they are attentive and helpful.
-pyromod has stuck up, whiny devs (read the first few pages of their thread) and native a2sd on a device that has absolutely no use for external app storage/swap/compcache in the first place. just reeks all around if you ask me.
-all of the cm7 variants (aka every aosp gingerbread rom we have thus far with the exception of a couple built straight from the tmo gingerbread leak) are nearly identical to cm7 out of the box with the exception of adding/removing a few apks here and there, some theming and possibly some settings tweaks (vm heap size, wifi sleep policy, other useless things)... all things you can do yourself from the base. there are some proprietary scripts and apps that some devs have bundled with their releases, but most I've seen feel more like marketing ploys (use our rom because we have this!!!) than anything I'd ever actually utilize.
-there is no such thing as the "fastest" or "best" gingerbread rom. if your measuring stick for what is fastest or best is a quadrant score.. well, I just hope it isn't.
-if you want an aosp gb rom, just get cm7, uninstall adw and any other extraneous system apps, and go. you'll get updates before any of the other roms (considering they're building from CM source) and you will have a huge community to turn to in the event that you run into a bug.
DISCLAIMER: I appreciate, regardless of whether or not I use, all of the hours of work our devs/chefs put into creating cool stuff for us. I am not name-calling, belittling or in any other way demeaning members of xda, simply stating my opinion based off of months and months of observation in the Vision development scene.
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my opinions (since I'm sick of seeing these threads and am having a bad morning ):
-mexdroid is ugly but functional. mjybarr apparently will be putting out a non-themed version.. possibly interested. I like the dev team, they are attentive and helpful.
-pyromod has stuck up, whiny devs (read the first few pages of their thread) and native a2sd on a device that has absolutely no use for external app storage/swap/compcache in the first place. just reeks all around if you ask me.
-all of the cm7 variants (aka every aosp gingerbread rom we have thus far with the exception of a couple built straight from the tmo gingerbread leak) are nearly identical to cm7 out of the box with the exception of adding/removing a few apks here and there, some theming and possibly some settings tweaks (vm heap size, wifi sleep policy, other useless things)... all things you can do yourself from the base. there are some proprietary scripts and apps that some devs have bundled with their releases, but most I've seen feel more like marketing ploys (use our rom because we have this!!!) than anything I'd ever actually utilize.
-there is no such thing as the "fastest" or "best" gingerbread rom. if your measuring stick for what is fastest or best is a quadrant score.. well, I just hope it isn't.
-if you want an aosp gb rom, just get cm7, uninstall adw and any other extraneous system apps, and go. you'll get updates before any of the other roms (considering they're building from CM source) and you will have a huge community to turn to in the event that you run into a bug.
DISCLAIMER: I appreciate, regardless of whether or not I use, all of the hours of work our devs/chefs put into creating cool stuff for us. I am not name-calling, belittling or in any other way demeaning members of xda, simply stating my opinion based off of months and months of observation in the Vision development scene.
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I wouldn't say pyromod devs are stuck up. But a little bit jerkish yeah, but who isn't now adays. Mexdroid.....that's exaclt why I haven't used it. I heard it was great fast and the devs are cool but I just don't like the alien cartoon look so I hope they make a normal looking one. Ill jump then. Pyros last two updates I haven't been able to restore my apps. Only rom it has happened on. But like pmc said...your best bet is to just go cm7 since damn near all are based off of it. Or just go personal prefernce after trial and error.
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i was getting same speeds with pyro and mexdroid but after messin with tweaKr options mexdroid is faster.
If you know how to tweak and fine tune nothing beats cyanogen. I have tried every rom on the forum.
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I just tried the new version of Pyromod today. It really does seem a hair faster than CM, but it's hell on my battery. (Losing about 1% a minute)
I'm going back to Cyanogen right now.
I'm not getting a battery drain with PyroMod 2.3.5. People must really be addicted to Angry Birds for that.
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Lol, I promise you, Angry Birds wasn't the problem. I don't use my phone for games.
I was experiencing a battery drain when the phone was sitting on my desk with the screen off. I don't use facebook or twitter (and I uninstalled the apps that came preloaded with the ROM) and I turned my RSS reader/podcast updates off just to make sure that wasn't the cause. I even tried turning off mobile data and sync... didn't make a difference. (I also did a battery calibration, and tried three different spare batteries I have)
<shrugs> I'm not sure what caused it, I have a lot of different apps, so it's certainly possible one of them was the cause. The android battery usage report showed that the drain was coming from Screebl (it attributed 98% of battery use to Screebl) but I read some info on the Screebl forum page about Android reporting battery usage incorrectly, and honestly, I've been using Screebl for a long time and I've never had that experience, so I tend to believe the info provided by the Screebl developer on that subject.
Either ways, I'm back to CM 7.1 RC1 now and the battery drain is gone.
Pyromod really was nice looking though, and I gotta admit, it felt a little zippier then the base Cyanogen. If I could figure out what was causing the battery drain, I'd try it again for sure.
Hi everyone, my Incredible 2 just arrived and I'm about ready to root it and flash a ROM. I first wanted to try the CM7 stable build because they're "official" developers in my opinion, but I read some posts and there seems to be some issues with various small things. I looked at the nightlies and those still seem to have issues as well. Then I looked over here at the CM7Kangs, but something seems to tell me that CM isn't completely stable in itself. Whether it does or doesn't have Sense, etc. I'm just interested in a new ROM that is stable and fully functional (cameras work, GPS works, etc). The main reason for flashing a new ROM is because I don't want all the bloatware that comes with this thing, and even if it isn't cutting edge, I'm sure it can be faster than stock. Any suggestions guys?
EDIT: I hear Skyraider Zeus/MIUI are good. I found Skyraider Zeus 1.3 on the internet, but what versions of MIUI are stable? I hear this ROM has good reviews too
http://roms.miui.us/ 1.12.9 is stable an totally functional works good with areoevans .7 bfs kernel
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http://www.teambamf.net/f37/[rom][gb]-skyraider-zeus-1-3-inc2-[update-11-22-2011]-2725/
This is skyraiders link which is a top notch sense rom.
Skyraider's roms are top notch. All the current cm7 kangs work without flaws. Miui12.9 is awesome. Also look into condemned sense rom, any of nits work, alot of people are running mikrunny 3.5
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Thanks! Just wondering, is Skyraider Zeus overclockable? I looked at the post and the only kernel it mentions is the "HTC OTA update". IIRC, you need a special kernel to OC, don't you?
Also, my question above is the same for the MIUI 1.12.9 ROM. Can it be OC'd? is it fully stable on the non-aeroevan kernel?
Yes you can us dres kernel found in development forum for skyraiders and miui I recommend using areovans kernel due to stock kernel can cause a few issues (low in call volume and for some data is not reliable)
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another vote for SkyRaider Zeus. if you want a ROM you can set and forget, this is it. everything works, except for Verizon's wifi tether in the "quick launch", but that's it. it's just as reliable as stock or better, has tons of features and extras built in. a lot of thought, and time went into this, it is truly a complete Sense ROM.
never tried AOSP ROMs so i can't comment.
good luck in your search. at least try Zeus, you won't be disappointed.
I personally haven't tried miui so I wont comment on that. There are plenty of great roms out there. I am currently using the latest cm7 nightly as my DD (#134 I think?) with excellent results! I cant remember seeing any issues since i flashed it. I am going on nearly a month with zero issues. Before this rom I tried out New To Root's Incredible 2 HD RLS v1.1 which was also a flawless rom from my experience. I had no luck with the RC releases of cm7 but I know of others who love them.
I like to run sense from time to time but I always go back to aosp for the customization possibilities it offers.
In the end, none of us can tell you what the best rom for you is. I can say that in general if you want a rom that you can flash and forget about it you will probably want to go with a rom that has been around for a while, preferably one that is in RC or Final status.
My advice is to try a few so you can see whether you like miui, aosp, or sence. Once you figure that out then just try a few of that type to find one that suits you.
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Well I've never even used a smartphone before other than when occasionally using my brother's iPhone 4, so the interface won't be a big deal. I'll adapt and enjoy whatever I end up using. I just want to use something that's stable (in the sense that it's fully featured and nothing randomly messes up) and fast. Skyraider Zeus and the various CM7 kangs seem to accomplish this. I'll have to think harder on which one i want to use. The CM7 kang i'm looked at is by Condemned Soul. I can't really post in that forum yet, so I'm using this thread as a way to get this type of information.
The CM7 kang that he made is already able to OC I believe because of the CM kernel...so that's a plus because I'd really just want to flash the phone and enjoy using it. I like tinkering with stuff, but I don't want to constantly worry about flashing/unflashing and causing instability. I need this phone to last until the next upgrade. The thing is, "Sense" seems really interesting. People say it looks nice and has lots of features, but I've never really experienced these features anyway, so maybe I should go with CM7.
I always hear people talking about how stable MIUI is, but that has not been my experience with MIUI at all. I have tried MIUI three or four times on a few different android devices each time following the install instructions exactly. Wiped factory reset, dalvik, permissions battery stats etc. all the default ROM install stuff.
Each time MIUI boots up fine and works well for about 3 hours and then randomly reboots and glitches forcing me come back to the stable CM7 version.
I really want to like MIUI, but my experiences seem to be very different than most people.
Interestingly enough, when I googled the word "issues" on Cyanogenmod's stable forum, they mentioned stuff about Skype having problems with audio that was fixed in the non-stable nightly #134. This is why I am wondering if CM7 is truly stable or not. I'm not sure how to track errors/issues, so I don't know what the nightlies have improved upon, and I definitely don't know what the kangs improve on/fix.
If you like tinkering with stuff I'd say you could go the CM or MIUI (AOSP) route. But this phone is not going to be as good as other phones that are running aosp. It was made to run sense.
Fully featured is also going to set you back, do you mean fully featured as in being able to use it as a world phone? GSM Capabilities?
If so you're going to have to run stock or close to stock.
Me personally, I like sense. MikRunny 1.01 here. Fast, stable and everything works. Except for GSM though.
cstone1991 had it right though, you have to run them to see which one you like best. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on which ROM runs best and again each phone is going to run ROMS differently as well.
For ROM's you're going to basically go through different bases like this.
AOSP ROM's like CM7, MIUI
Sense 2.1 ROM's like Andybones stock or skyraider zeus
Sense 3.0 ROM's like Virtuous
Sense 3.5 ROM's like MikRunny
Each base has different features, different feel. You'll also have the ability to theme them differently as well.
Try the ones that interest you the most, run them for a few days each and see which one fits you the best.
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If you like tinkering with stuff I'd say you could go the CM or MIUI (AOSP) route. But this phone is not going to be as good as other phones that are running aosp. It was made to run sense.
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I like tinkering with stuff, but only to a point. I don't like to constantly have to "re-do" things that don't have to do with the tinkering process (IE: Flashing over and over). What makes the phone able to run "Sense" instead of AOSP? I'm not aware of the whole Sense vs AOSP bit. If I could get some solid info on why I should run Sense instead of AOSP, I'll run Skyraider Zeus most likely, etc.
Fully featured is also going to set you back, do you mean fully featured as in being able to use it as a world phone? GSM Capabilities?
If so you're going to have to run stock or close to stock.
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What I mean is that I don't need "extra" features or anything like that. I just want the phone to work the way it's supposed to....such as GPS and the camera(s) working. I don't want to have to sacrifice something I use often in order to gain speed. World capabilities aren't a big deal to me for sure. I don't know what "tethering" is so that whole bit isn't too important either.
Me personally, I like sense. MikRunny 1.01 here. Fast, stable and everything works. Except for GSM though.
cstone1991 had it right though, you have to run them to see which one you like best. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on which ROM runs best and again each phone is going to run ROMS differently as well.
For ROM's you're going to basically go through different bases like this.
AOSP ROM's like CM7, MIUI
Sense 2.1 ROM's like Andybones stock or skyraider zeus
Sense 3.0 ROM's like Virtuous
Sense 3.5 ROM's like MikRunny
Each base has different features, different feel. You'll also have the ability to theme them differently as well.
Try the ones that interest you the most, run them for a few days each and see which one fits you the best.
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Thanks for this huge list. What's the difference between Sense 3.5 vs 3.0 vs 2.1? Yes, the obvious answer is that one is newer than the other. I heard Sense 3.5 has issues with the camera being upside down, etc. So I'd probably stick with the Sense that came with this phone (Sense 2.1 probably)
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I like tinkering with stuff, but only to a point. I don't like to constantly have to "re-do" things that don't have to do with the tinkering process (IE: Flashing over and over). What makes the phone able to run "Sense" instead of AOSP? I'm not aware of the whole Sense vs AOSP bit. If I could get some solid info on why I should run Sense instead of AOSP, I'll run Skyraider Zeus most likely, etc.
The drivers are mostly what's different. Because HTC uses sense originally, Sense is going to be what works the best. It's not that it can't run AOSP but that sense is going to run without problems because that's what it was made to run.
What I mean is that I don't need "extra" features or anything like that. I just want the phone to work the way it's supposed to....such as GPS and the camera(s) working. I don't want to have to sacrifice something I use often in order to gain speed. World capabilities aren't a big deal to me for sure. I don't know what "tethering" is so that whole bit isn't too important either.
All the features work in most ROM's like that. Some ROM's (Mostly AOSP) have issues where the camera is stretched (front facing cam on miui). You're not really losing anything on other ROM's it's just that they work differently.
Thanks for this huge list. What's the difference between Sense 3.5 vs 3.0 vs 2.1? Yes, the obvious answer is that one is newer than the other. I heard Sense 3.5 has issues with the camera being upside down, etc. So I'd probably stick with the Sense that came with this phone (Sense 2.1 probably)
Sense 2.1 has the older stuff, it's probably going to be the fastest out of the rest of them because it has the least amount of stuff in it. This is what comes on the phone stock and what Skyraider runs.
Sense 3.0 incorporated new features like a new lock screen, new weather app, weather animations, sounds, display features, dial pad, messaging. It's running more stuff so in order to run correctly you would have to use a rom that's optimized.
Sense 3.5 is the newest and also has different features but it's very close to 3.0. Just about everything is the same that you can see but there are differences behind the scenes. Also there are no camera issues unless someone puts out a ROM that was quickly thrown together.
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I say you skip 3.0 altogether and run either 2.1 or 3.5. Anything is better than stock with all the bloat so try skyraider or andybonesstock.
If you wanna try 3.5 go with MikRunny 1.01 and in the display turn off the 3d widget features. See how that runs on your phone, It's flawless on mine, I get no lag but again different phones run differently.
Alright I've decided to go with Skyraider Zeus thanks to reading all of this. Thanks for all of the help. I don't plan on flashing a new kernel onto Skyraider Zeus, so whether the stock SZ kernel can OC or not doesn't matter to me.
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Alright I've decided to go with Skyraider Zeus thanks to reading all of this. Thanks for all of the help. I don't plan on flashing a new kernel onto Skyraider Zeus, so whether the stock SZ kernel can OC or not doesn't matter to me.
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I don't think you will need to over clock. I haven't needed to on this phone. I have tested it and all it did for me was reduce battery life and improve benchmark scores. I haven't been able to tell a difference in actual usage whether I run at 1ghz or 1.8ghz so I opt for better battery life. The only rom that I benefitted from overclocking on was one of the really early ICS builds.
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To all you who responded and to the OP - thanks!
This thread has been very helpful, I just got my Inc 2 last week and looking forward to trying out some new ROMS.
I've read that the stock kernel changed with the OTA updates (I'm on 2.3.4)
Does that limit which of the ROMs I can run?
Are there better ROM managers than others when it comes to this phone and the ROMs available for it?
Thanks.
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To all you who responded and to the OP - thanks!
This thread has been very helpful, I just got my Inc 2 last week and looking forward to trying out some new ROMS.
I've read that the stock kernel changed with the OTA updates (I'm on 2.3.4)
Does that limit which of the ROMs I can run?
Are there better ROM managers than others when it comes to this phone and the ROMs available for it?
Thanks.
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The fact that you're on 2.3.4 means you need to use a downgrade tool and go down to 2.3.3. Then you'll use software called "Revolutionary" to get root, etc. If you search for "nat3mills" on youtube, and look under his videos for incredible 2 stuff, he has step by step tutorials on how to do all of this. That's what I'm going to do. Hopefully XDA doesn't penalize me for referencing this youtube user. Good luck!
EDIT: Also I'd like to ask everyone, since you feel there is no point in overclocking, is there a way to undervolt with any of these ROMs? Specifically SkyRaider Zeus/CM7 (asking because these seem to be the two common choices for people, and I figured this thread could now be used as a good reference) My logic behind undervolting is that if you can overclock it drastically on stock voltage (which is what I assume SRZ and CM7 are on) then you can probably keep it at stock clocks and undervolt it for better battery life/temperatures.
EDIT #2: Ok I was just looking in CondemnedSoul's CM7Kang thread. Apparently there is an app called Incredicontrol that let's you mess with voltages. Just to make sure, CM7 in itself only has the ability to control clock speeds (under/overclock) and not voltages, right? This means that Incredicontrol is necessary to mess with voltages?
from my understanding; if you OC and UV you gain nothing, if you UC and UV you conserve battery, if you OC and OV you make your device faster but perhaps introduce instability.
i've been reading tons of threads, clock speeds and volting included, and i have made the decision to not O/UC nor O/UV because my phone works great as it is and i do not care about benchmarks and my battery life is acceptable as it is.
if you really want to know more, set aside some time (hours) to search and read thread after thread on these topics and make your own educated decision based on the debates other members have participated in.
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from my understanding; if you OC and UV you gain nothing, if you UC and UV you conserve battery, if you OC and OV you make your device faster but perhaps introduce instability.
i've been reading tons of threads, clock speeds and volting included, and i have made the decision to not O/UC nor O/UV because my phone works great as it is and i do not care about benchmarks and my battery life is acceptable as it is.
if you really want to know more, set aside some time (hours) to search and read thread after thread on these topics and make your own educated decision based on the debates other members have participated in.
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Uhhh, you're looking at things the wrong way completely. Having less voltage whether something is overclocked or underclocked is ALWAYS better. If you increase the clock speed and have the voltage less than stock, it's a complete WIN WIN situation unless it introduces instability, but this is something you test for. Some people Overvolt to Overclock even further, but increasing voltage is not ALWAYS necessary. Keeping speeds at stock, but UNDERVOLTING helps battery life. Finally, overclocking but keeping stock voltage is the best combination for actual speed. Increasing voltage reduces battery life much more than simply increasing clockspeed.
This is how things work for desktops, and I'm sure it applies to everything else, including phones.
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Uhhh, you're looking at things the wrong way completely. Having less voltage whether something is overclocked or underclocked is ALWAYS better. If you increase the clock speed and have the voltage less than stock, it's a complete WIN WIN situation unless it introduces instability, but this is something you test for. Some people Overvolt to Overclock even further, but increasing voltage is not ALWAYS necessary. Keeping speeds at stock, but UNDERVOLTING helps battery life. Finally, overclocking but keeping stock voltage is the best combination for actual speed. Increasing voltage reduces battery life much more than simply increasing clockspeed.
This is how things work for desktops, and I'm sure it applies to everything else, including phones.
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Not necessarily...desktops and laptops and phones (hardware in particular) is built to run within certain voltage limits. Undervolting CAN help but not in all situations, and especially when running at max-min frequency can cause major instability in a speed-step cycle.
It is usually safe to undervolt a little bit with most hardware - but radios in general can be affected by voltage. Test all hardware with stress testing to ensure it is safe FOR YOUR PARTICULAR PHONE.
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To keep the thread on track - this phone was meant to run with Sense 2.1 - if you sync multiple email accounts or run many apps (buggy or not) you should probably stick with Sense 2.1. If you arent a demanding mobile phone user try anything else. I wish the AOSP builds were more compatible with HTC - and if AOSP isnt integrated into any HTC phones in the future I may switch to another manufacturer.
Was a previous Fascinate user (as a PMP-only), till I inadvertently knocked it into my bed-side trash bin and took said trash out I loved the modified ICS-based AOKP that Icy Glitch did, but more specifically their kernel that was included! When I got the Epic 4G (non-touch, don't worry lol) I started looking around and Nyan Colonel looked like my cup 'o tea with all the tweaking options Marcusant included; however, not only could I not find a working link to it anywhere but the last version wasn't even available for JB Right now I'm running Nitest (Effsi's), and that actually appears to be the only stand-alone packaged Kernel available for the D700 as well. I'd honestly give compiling one a try except I'm stuck with WWAN home internet and a 5GB limit per month that 2 others use on occasion. :crying: As such I rely on the smarts and abilities of you fine XDA'ers :highfive:
At any rate, as I've no experience with Linux I do not know how complicated these requests are, so please excuse my ignorance lol. But to me it seems like certain features (commits?) are fairly modular in nature and appear as though they are almost "a la carte". If it's harder than it sounds, by all means let me know and I'll be content with what is available.
If anyone does take up my suggestion, which not to try and dictate anything, but the one thing that is a must-have for me is Voodoo Sound. I use this Epic as a media player and not a phone, which without Voodoo Sound the audio quality (specifically with earphones) is overly-bright and defeats the sole purpose I have it for
That being said, while porting Icy Glitch (Git Hub, XDA Thread) to the Epic 4G would be awesome, I do realize that is likely going to require the most work and so I don't really expect it to happen. However, what I'm primarily interested in is the ability to LiveOC, as on the Fascinate I found that even running at 101(%, MHz?) offered a significant boost to performance, in particular I/O's. While I may not always use the max achievable overclock, I did always keep it at 101 for at least the benefits it provided, but it's always nice to have more performance available literally at your finger tips!
Nyan Colonel v5 (Git Hub, XDA Thread) had it all though, and was even for the Epic 4G! I don't know if he took it down because he moved on to the Nexus, or what Though, I suspect the fact he moved on is why he didn't reply to my PM a few weeks ago, which is understandable and I'm sure he gets asked a lot :\
As for "Custom?"... If someone has their own kernel, or have one they are working on, this would be my "wish list" of stuff to have:
LiveOC [His XDA Thread for the LiveOC Git location links to HERE (108MB), but he also has a repo for "Nexus S ICS" which if new=better then that is HERE (118MB).]
- If not part of LiveOC: Frequency multipliers up to 1600MHz for CPU w/o modifying base frequency,
individual GPU clock control (possible?), individual RAM clock control (possible?)
Voodoo Sound [For D700]
- Preferably offer a version with and without Voodoo Color, as some users need/like it, yet for me I get
unfixable color issues
Governors & Schedulers [Nitest, at least Effsi's ver, has a bunch to pick from. Can you have too many?]
- Scary gov seems to do a good job of keeping CPU freq low (100MHz vs 200MHz) and scaling up
quickly, giving me no instability problems at 1200MHz. 'fifo' sched has been working well for me, but
I was not able to notice any performance differences between any of the choices through Quadrant benchmark
USB Hub [Looking to try out connecting my Xonar U3 USB sound card for shiz-n-giggles, but USB flash storage would be a benefit!]
Latest Linaro & Linux Kernel [Doesn't have to be newest, but fairly recent would be nice heh]
- Compiled with "O3" optimization flag, as it does seem to help some.
BigMem [As having a camera is quite handy! (Not sure if it pertains to vid playback as well)]
I'm sure there is more but let's be real, I'm probably pushing my luck the way it is! lol Though if lots of people showed interest and provided more tweaks/features they'd like, I kinda think it'd be cool to have an Epic 4G "XDA Community Kernel"
Thanks! (Especially if you made it this far lol)
30th Birthday Bump (ok fine, not for another 11mins, but close enough! lol)
So if not for a every-day [REQUEST], how about for a Birthday-[REQUEST]?! :laugh:
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30th Birthday Bump (ok fine, not for another 11mins, but close enough! lol)
So if not for a every-day [REQUEST], how about for a Birthday-[REQUEST]?! :laugh:
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Lol happy b day and hope this comes true
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Lol happy b day and hope this comes true
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Thanks man :highfive: I do, too (obviously lol)
Also, thanks to whomever moved it to the right forum for me, wasn't quite sure where it belonged.