NOTIFICATION BAR scrolling down without touching it: Static Electr & Capacitive Scrns
I would like to know if anyone else has experienced this at least once. I didn't post here as a thread til I got confirmation from one other DESIRE user that this has happened to him as well.
I don't know the exact triggers or even the exact scenarios, but this has happened several times to me already:
I am using the phone in horizontal mode and tapping menu items or inputting text, and my finger is nowhere even close to the Notification Bar at top of screen -- and yet suddenly the Notification Bar will auto-scroll down, interrupting what I was doing. Repeated times. It would happen again, with no accidental slippage of my finger or anything. My finger would be nowhere near the bar.
I am wondering if there is any kind of static electricity effect with capacitive screens that can set off a menu action.
So I am asking the experts here. Is that possible? Is it anything that was reported with the Nexus One?
RELATED (1): After this happened a few time in ONE SESSION using the phone -- it happened to be while uploading videos to YouTube, I wanted to test to see if I moved my finger close to the Notification Bar would this perhaps trigger this auto-scroll-down. So I moved my finger just slightly above the surface of the glass at the Notification Bar, and it didn't make it scroll down, but on this occasion, it set off a kind of jumpiness whereby the notification bar was rapidly shifting up and down a few pixels, as though it was receiving input. Has anyone seen this happen? I have not yet been able to get this to repeat from that session of using the phone a few days ago. I was lying down on my bed, and I'm pretty sure sheets produce a lot of static electricity, so this is my layman's question. Is there some causal effect here?
RELATED (2): A variation on this problem would be where I am actually trying to select a menu choice, and instead of my finger-press activating the menu item, instead the menu item jumps up slightly, and does not get selected.
This, again, happened when I was in ALBUM MODE, watched a video in horizontal display, then tapped-and-held the video to bring up the context menu that includes various SHARE options. One of those options is YouTube (the last item of the menu). I would try to select "YouTube" but the menu jumped upwards slightly, and wouldn't get selected.
I have been able to reproduce this one (Related 2) today, days later, in totally different environment .
So, a bunch of questions:
1. Is there such a thing as a static electricity effect that confuses the screen?
2. Are there other kinds of known screen-response problems that could be at play here?
3. Is this something that sounds like "it's defective so return it", or is this a somewhat common experience, sporadically?
the only time I've had that happen to me is when I use a cheap charger I've got and yeah the screen just skitses out. I am using a hero tho but this is the first time I've seen anyone else encounter this so I thought il'd churp in.
I had something similar only once.
The notification bar went mad. It was flicking up and down constantly without me touching the phone at all.
I had to pull the battery to fix the problem.
Hasn't happened since.
Fon22
Happened to me also when loading a ROM in Nesoid.
So I'm not sensing any concerns re; any defect... but still wondering, since I don't know the physics of capacitive screens... Is static electricity the culprit? Never happened once on my GSM HERO... so something is at play here.. or is it an intermittent defect that rarely shows up?
quicksite said:
So I'm not sensing any concerns re; any defect... but still wondering, since I don't know the physics of capacitive screens... Is static electricity the culprit? Never happened once on my GSM HERO... so something is at play here.. or is it an intermittent defect that rarely shows up?
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The capacitive touch screens work by detecting a disturbance in the EM field on the glass surface. There's a few ways to do it, I think the way mobile phones are doing this is to put a field of their own over the glass and detect fingers on the surface based on what levels of the field they'd expect to see at different points around the screen, and doing some comparisons on what levels are actually detected.
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong BTW.
I've noticed this notification bar problem today and yesterday. Lucky I at least saw how I caused it. My finger was to close to the top right of the screen because of the way I was holding the handset. That combined with the lacklustre multi-touch support on this handset made the phone detect it as a finger swipe that rapidly moved downwards.
I've always had similar problems with capacitative and inductive touch technologies. I don't actually need to touch the desires screen to activate a touch. The worsted was the Zen Micro with the touch controls. I could activate that thing from about 10-15mm away. The touch on-off-dimming lamps too. I usually cycle those through all their light levels with a single touch. Where as my brother actually struggles to activate those, really has to press his hand down hard on them.
Brilliant, Alex... You got right inside my head and answered exactly what i was trying to ask.... the physics of the system.
I'm okay with little glitches here and there, and I am sure I will learn to avoid proximity issues that tend to trigger these mis-fires... just as I learned to adjust my tap-key behavior in typing on the on-screen keyboard on capacitive screen vs all the resistive screens I had used before on Windows Mobile, where fingernails could & would engage the resistive screen -- vs learning that the bottom surface of the finger has to make contact on the keys on capacitive screen... (sorry i am USA and we still resist the world's metric standard, so i don't know the equivalent distance in cm,)... but it's over a 1/4-inch of an upward shift in the position of one's fingers above the capacitive screen from the tip of the fingernail.
But once you train your senses to activate the keys sensors properly, the finger impact behaviors of resistive screens goes away after a while (at least for me)
(oh, btw, I ordered the new HTC capacitive stylus which is a couple of months old now, but is an official DESIRE accessory, so that will be an interesting experience... the thing i miss most about the resistive screen and stylus was being able to scribble notes really fast, way faster than i could ever type -- and draw pretty detailed images or maps and directuions for people. so it will be interesting to see the granularity of control the capacitive stylus will give)
So thanks very much for giving me the exact level of detail I can process as a lay person.. and for assuring me, as the rest of you have as well, that this apparently comes with the territory of this phone -- and therefore should not be seen as a defect. Because i sure as hell didn't want to go shipping this phone back. I can live with an occasional spazzoid misread of intended impact spot on screen...
And, fnally, this was funny -- re the different degree of touch we all consider "normal" --
The touch on-off-dimming lamps too. I usually cycle those through all their light levels with a single touch. Where as my brother actually struggles to activate those, really has to press his hand down hard on them.
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thanks!
Alex_w said:
The capacitive touch screens work by detecting a disturbance in the EM field on the glass surface. There's a few ways to do it, I think the way mobile phones are doing this is to put a field of their own over the glass and detect fingers on the surface based on what levels of the field they'd expect to see at different points around the screen, and doing some comparisons on what levels are actually detected.
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong BTW.
I've noticed this notification bar problem today and yesterday. Lucky I at least saw how I caused it. My finger was to close to the top right of the screen because of the way I was holding the handset. That combined with the lacklustre multi-touch support on this handset made the phone detect it as a finger swipe that rapidly moved downwards.
I've always had similar problems with capacitative and inductive touch technologies. I don't actually need to touch the desires screen to activate a touch. The worsted was the Zen Micro with the touch controls. I could activate that thing from about 10-15mm away. The touch on-off-dimming lamps too. I usually cycle those through all their light levels with a single touch. Where as my brother actually struggles to activate those, really has to press his hand down hard on them.
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I was thinking it is softwarerelated. The bar remains halfway the screen, is in the layer below the active app, and jumps to front upon touching the screen.
I have the Problem, too. And that since Monday. I went mad since yesterday evening so i tried to go back to stock, unroot and all.
But the problem is still there.
How can i fix it? Or is my Phone damaged?!
The Notification Bar scrolls down without touching the display and then freezes the phone. so i must lock the phone and relock it and then i can use the phone but after a short time the same problem came back!!
So I reckon you're an undertaker for a living?
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2
erklat said:
So I reckon you're an undertaker for a living?
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Sorry but i don't understand what you mean
The problem makes me crazy because i have now the stock rom because i thougt it was an issue due a custom rom or a kernel or something.
If you can help me please do that, this problem robs me to sleep
But i havent the Desire. I Have the HTC EVO 3D GSM
19Marc89 said:
Sorry but i don't understand what you mean
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lol digging up the dead
Sent from my HTC Desire
Sorry but I do not understand the background of your information which is in context with my problem of the notification bar.
@19Marc89 He meant that you responded to a an old (dead) post. Listen, I'm trying to recondition an old Motorola Milestone (Droid) with a crazy touchscreen problem, whose cause I believe I've narrowed down to static electricity - can you do me a favor and try stroking the glass side of the phone lengthwise in one direction down your sleeve, preferably if you have a wool sweater on? Call me crazy, but this works for me, at least temporarily. I posted more here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1041943&page=5
install gravitybox. go to >statusbar tweaks>disable peek. click it. problem solved!
quicksite said:
I would like to know if anyone else has experienced this at least once. I didn't post here as a thread til I got confirmation from one other DESIRE user that this has happened to him as well.
I don't know the exact triggers or even the exact scenarios, but this has happened several times to me already:
I am using the phone in horizontal mode and tapping menu items or inputting text, and my finger is nowhere even close to the Notification Bar at top of screen -- and yet suddenly the Notification Bar will auto-scroll down, interrupting what I was doing. Repeated times. It would happen again, with no accidental slippage of my finger or anything. My finger would be nowhere near the bar.
I am wondering if there is any kind of static electricity effect with capacitive screens that can set off a menu action.
So I am asking the experts here. Is that possible? Is it anything that was reported with the Nexus One?
RELATED (1): After this happened a few time in ONE SESSION using the phone -- it happened to be while uploading videos to YouTube, I wanted to test to see if I moved my finger close to the Notification Bar would this perhaps trigger this auto-scroll-down. So I moved my finger just slightly above the surface of the glass at the Notification Bar, and it didn't make it scroll down, but on this occasion, it set off a kind of jumpiness whereby the notification bar was rapidly shifting up and down a few pixels, as though it was receiving input. Has anyone seen this happen? I have not yet been able to get this to repeat from that session of using the phone a few days ago. I was lying down on my bed, and I'm pretty sure sheets produce a lot of static electricity, so this is my layman's question. Is there some causal effect here?
RELATED (2): A variation on this problem would be where I am actually trying to select a menu choice, and instead of my finger-press activating the menu item, instead the menu item jumps up slightly, and does not get selected.
This, again, happened when I was in ALBUM MODE, watched a video in horizontal display, then tapped-and-held the video to bring up the context menu that includes various SHARE options. One of those options is YouTube (the last item of the menu). I would try to select "YouTube" but the menu jumped upwards slightly, and wouldn't get selected.
I have been able to reproduce this one (Related 2) today, days later, in totally different environment .
So, a bunch of questions:
1. Is there such a thing as a static electricity effect that confuses the screen?
2. Are there other kinds of known screen-response problems that could be at play here?
3. Is this something that sounds like "it's defective so return it", or is this a somewhat common experience, sporadically?
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install gravitybox. go to >statusbar tweaks>disable peek. click it. problem solved!
I know I am many years late but did you somehow manage to solve this problem?
I recently rooted my phone and removed some bloatware (all backed up btw) mainly the ones on the safe list in the thread posted about it here. I don't know if that is what is causing the following problem, but just to preface that if so.
I noticed it yesterday when I was trying to type something using swype, when I finished letting go the screen started to randomly tap and drag letters without me even touching it. I stopped had to turn the screen off/on to get it to stop. I also notice that if I hold the phone vertically and move it around a bit it starts to drag the home screens back and forth. Also when I am at the phone menu it's hard to tap the exact number I want. If I tap 5 say, it will randomly either tap 5 or 8. It's liek it's not calibrated.
So I go to the display to calibrate it and it kind of sort of alleviates some of the other issues, but I still have inaccurate touces. Is it a program I removed perhaps from htc that is necessary for the screen. Do I need to update the firmware on the rooted one?
Hi guys,
I am experiencing something really annoying. Many times when I press the left arrow (the one that opens the menu with all apps) the Status bar drops down. This is not all: sometimes when I hit an app to open or even when I try to type something, the Status bar drops down... Could it be a screen calibration issue? Any1 experiencing the same?
Thanks.
I've noticed the same thing occasionally, but I came to the conclusion that it was my thumb or finger wrapped around the back if the screen holding the phone just touching the top corner/edge of the screen, causing the notification area to pop downwards!
Have a fiddle around using the phone and if it happens again look closely where your fingers are
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
stop holding it like it's an iPhone seriously, your left thumb is bumping into the status bar. knock it off...
I hate the iphone. Very very much. So I wont ever do anything iphone like. I thought it might be my thumb but still.. Touch is better on galaxy s unfortunately. But that phone is worth as a whole.
I noticed after upgrading to Lollipop that it was difficult to navigate menus near the top of the screen in some apps. I turned on the "pointer location" option and sure enough I found very strange results.
i.imgur com/tPdVowo.png (you'll have to add a period after the domain name, new user status prevents me from posting links)
This first screenshot is me running two fingers all the way to the top of the screen, and once i reached the top i ran them towards the edge of the screen. As you can see there is an area where the pointer location bugs out.
i.imgur com/bh5hWeV.png
This image is just a single finger running horizontally across the top of the screen. The top line is where my finger actually was, but the phone also registered extra touches as you can see from the line below. There's even a section where the top line didn't register at all.
This is a Verizon phone, never been rooted, and hasn't been dropped or wet. I noticed while making this post that the area i am having issues with aligns almost perfectly with the top part of Sense's notification menu.
Is this normal or do I need to exchange my phone?
I am having the same issue with my phone. When I turn on show touches in developer options or install a multitouch test app, it'll show an extra touch just below where I'm touching but only when I'm touching at the top of the screen. Stock lollipop, never rooted, no water damage.
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same problem. do you have s-off? downgrade firmware and rom - maybe this fix problem?
bumbarush said:
same problem. do you have s-off? downgrade firmware and rom - maybe this fix problem?
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I don't. I didn't want to do that yet. Was hoping to see if anyone else had the issue and if they were able to resolve it.
Just want to see if anyone was able to resolve this issue.
fixed!
we need the old piezo lighter's element. The phone must be turned off. A few strokes on the screen near the problem area, and voila, the screen works again. Do not be afraid, the phone will not be damaged
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on russian:
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=496511
I have a Lenovo P2 for around 3 months now. It works wonder but a few days ago, I woke up and noticed that the bottom part of the phone is not responsive to anything other than the navigation bar. Anyone else have this problem? I have read several threads from March and it seems that they have the same problem.
Methods I tried to fix it :
1. Resetting the phone to factory default.
2. Removed the screen protector.
3. Install the November security update.
None of this work. Before that day, it works perfectly, now the touchscreen on the bottom part only respond to the navigation bar and not any other apps. I ran test using Lenovo Companion app and it seems that it doesn't recognise the bottom part as a touchable area either. Swiping up the navigation bar also doesn't work, when horizontal the swiping action works on the top part of the phone not the bottom. Although it's possible to swipe up from the bottom, it takes many repeated quickswipes before it show up, I don't think it's lag either since the top part works instantly.
I am considering taking this to a Lenovo phone collection shop for claiming warranty. If this is software, the same might happen again after they fix it.