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The MOST annoying thing about WM6?

For me it would be the fact that it STILL has
the same greyish, blocky scrollbars as Windows 3.1 had....
You'd imagine they would have revamped those by now...

That is a minor quibble. Personally I do not see anything wrong with WM6... yet.
Most of us here are still happy that at least we are getting WM6
If anything I had a bit of quibble with Opera and its interaction with WM5\WM6 but then again, that is a software issue.

Yeah, if that's all you have to complain about in WM6, I think you're LOOKING for things to complain about.
Like the "Error Syncronizing" problem in Outlook, that no one but me seems to have seen; or the Calendar problem where Month is always the default view, no matter what's chosen in Options... These are legit. problems, not just complaints.

richy240 said:
Y; or the Calendar problem where Month is always the default view, no matter what's chosen in Options... These are legit. problems, not just complaints.
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I am running LVSW Edition 2007-03-25 and do not have this problem with calendar, maybe it is your version.
Ron

Try UIQ for a month, you`ll hate PPC
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.

hm, the most annoying thing you say.
yeah , can think of 1 - a minor issue yet very annoying.
the busy signal comes out of the loudspeaker (as it did in wm5) !
i hate it. yeah of course you can delete the signal or change ir to a very quiet one, yet ...

elivne said:
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.
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I do use UIQ3 on my M600, and I'm not impressed in the least. It has it's own set of problems... Stability for one. It's better than it was, but it still isn't great.
As for stolen features, that's crap... name one feature WM6 stole from UIQ. I beg you...

I beg to differ
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I do use UIQ3 on my M600, and I'm not impressed in the least. It has it's own set of problems... Stability for one. It's better than it was, but it still isn't great.
As for stolen features, that's crap... name one feature WM6 stole from UIQ. I beg you...
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you are using UIQ3 - don't know that OS yet.
stolen features?
what about the new "week view" of calender? it`s entire functionality is copied from UIQ 2.1, what about the softkeys finally they copied the ability to navigate the device features?
stability, I used a p900 - for 2 years - 3!! HR(and I was to BLAME)
PPC? - cant count any more, a buggy program can crash your device until the next HR.
most of WM6 design targets declared where for a better use:
stability
speed
usability

Hmm, I had a P900 and the P910 (still use it from time to time) My friend has the Sony P990 (UIQ3). If you want to see problems with UIQ3 use a P990, admittedly most of it is hardware related but even on the M600 you will find problems.
The only way you can compare these two is to only run them on default software and never install 3rd party apps!! I have run 3rd party apps on my P900/P910 and had to do many soft resets etc even with popular apps (Sman etc)
I am so glad that I moved from UIQ(X) to WM(X) as just the increase in productivity software available to me has made it worth it alone! BTW my M3100 running the latest variant of WM6 is rock solid.
Oh & haven't you heard the expression there's nothing new under the sun. Everybody 'steals' from everybody else.

elivne said:
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.
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Well I havent taken the plunge to WM6 yet, still on WM5, but yes... having migrated from UIQ on several previous phones, I find WM to be an abomination of undocumented, overcompicated and non-integrated bloatware.
The saving features, however, are that it's the only OS I can get on such great hardware (Hermes), and there is such a massive user base that like Windows for PCs, there is loads of great software and support from forums like this.

and here i thought the most annoying thing was that the soft buttons were reversed on the bubble breaker game

weinson said:
and here i thought the most annoying thing was that the soft buttons were reversed on the bubble breaker game
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The real most annoying feature - the thing just does not work. Period. It's a glorified organizer. It's a toy for geeks like us. It's anything but the reliable tool you can depend on. Radio, messaging, alarms / reminders - they all have [not] mind and schedules of their own ... actually M$ implanted brain farts

moisha said:
The real most annoying feature - the thing just does not work. Period. It's a glorified organizer. It's a toy for geeks like us. It's anything but the reliable tool you can depend on. Radio, messaging, alarms / reminders - they all have [not] mind and schedules of their own ... actually M$ implanted brain farts
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SSSHHH! You were not supposed to reveal that information!
But it is true... The look on the face of my GF when I have to restart my phone before I can make a call or when everything freezes when adding an appointment....
On my original post: the scrollbars might be a minor thing but it is something I see almost everytime I use this machine.

although I have not used UIQ for a while last one was uiq 2.1 i think or was it 3?
It was a very good os and stable.
but doesnt look as pretty as windows mobile.
Although its better programed and runs better on lower speed processors,
reminds me of the linux v windows situation.
pros and cons to both.
I like windows its pleasing to the eye

I'm sure this can be fixed, but i've search and haven't found a solution yet, so here goes, the most annoying thing about WM6 for is:
In WM5 (standard T-Mobile UK rom) i had a link in Start Menu for "Running Programs" this took me straight to Start->Settings->System->Memory->Running Programs, i would like to create a link on my WM6 that takes me straight here too, but i dont know how?

the thing I hate so far is they (in WM6) still dont allow you to quickley dial a meeting number.... like I used to do in a blackberry...... thats the only thing I find really annoying...
I sould be able to choose a reminder and if there is a number value in there I should be able to choose it to dail.....

one fo my biggest complaints.
in s60 phones when I was sent a concatenated message it would display as one contigious message.
in Wm5/Wm6 a concatenated message is displayed as several messages and sometimes they come in out of order which is really annoying.
if anyone knows of a fix for this short of using an alternate messaging app please let me know.

My biggest issue is that I cannot connect to my office VPN using Internet sharing, worked perfectly in WM5 as a wireless modem, normal browsing is ok.
Malcolm

Most annoying thing...
(1) Boot time is incredibly slow, at last count 40 seconds from reset to ability to make a call
(2) I still cannot send text messages to 'groups' - major gripe from WM5 followed through
(3) Text Messaging - New has been replaced by Delete as the initial text message screen (possibly a setting I havent found yet)
Major speed advantage so far though...

nbedford said:
I'm sure this can be fixed, but i've search and haven't found a solution yet, so here goes, the most annoying thing about WM6 for is:
In WM5 (standard T-Mobile UK rom) i had a link in Start Menu for "Running Programs" this took me straight to Start->Settings->System->Memory->Running Programs, i would like to create a link on my WM6 that takes me straight here too, but i dont know how?
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That actually wasn't WM5 but an addition by T-Mobile.
You could use X-button to close programmes completely instead of making them run in the background. That way you don't even have to go into 'running programmes'.

WM6 vs. WM5

I'm ready to upgrade/flash my Dash, but just wondering, what exactly is the upside of WM6? I'm happy to be an early adopter and all that, but what will I notice to be improved?

if you haven't read every thread posted here about wm6 then you aren't ready to install it yet.
there are quite a few important changes you need to make imediately after installing.
the main advantages for me are the email enhancements and xt9 staying off pemanently. it also looks prettier. windows live seems to work better as well.
oh and the early adopters downloaded and installed it a month ago

lafester said:
if you haven't read every thread posted here about wm6 then you aren't ready to install it yet.
there are quite a few important changes you need to make imediately after installing.
the main advantages for me are the email enhancements and xt9 staying off pemanently. it also looks prettier. windows live seems to work better as well.
oh and the early adopters downloaded and installed it a month ago
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Thanks! Could you be more specific about the e-mail enhancements?

you can view HTML e-mail.

canadian student said:
you can view HTML e-mail.
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Is that it? How about alert customization depending on the account or something?

I have the files on my PC ready to go but I'm still using WM5 because I don't want my device phoning Microsoft or T-Mobile with my IMEI or other information. While you can disable it, the idea that your device phone's home should be kind of scary to you. Also, its BETA. I don't want my phone going crazy while I am on the road and I need it most.
JAmerican

its more then just html but that is nice.
you have the option to send mail when you hit send instead of having to hit send/receive as well.
you can keep mail on the server when you delete off the phone.
delete is moved to the left softkey instead of having to go into the menu.

I'm using WM6 on two devices, and although I wouldn't go back to the previous version, WM6 is JUST LIKE WM5. It's just that the majority of the applications have something or another that makes it that much more usable.
What I mean is, there are quite a few little features (and a couple additional applications) that make it an "upgrade." It's just like how WM5 was an upgrade to WM2003. It isn't an upgrade as much as it's update, if that makes any sense...
I'm pretty sure WM6 doesn't "phone home" or anything. I imagine this would have been found out by this point.

installation process
But, it sounds like upgrading is a whole lot more complicated than just running RUU_Excalibur... on my unlocked T-Mobile Dash. I then have to do a bunch of other mysterious steps?

richy240 said:
I'm pretty sure WM6 doesn't "phone home" or anything. I imagine this would have been found out by this point.
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He's talking about the app on the t-mobile beta wm6 rom which sends an SMS to a UK number frequently thus running up a high phone bill. Once that app is uninstalled it appears to be ok.

indiekiduk said:
He's talking about the app on the t-mobile beta wm6 rom which sends an SMS to a UK number frequently thus running up a high phone bill. Once that app is uninstalled it appears to be ok.
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Ugh... What app is that?!? Gotta make sure I uninstall that one...

rocky2 said:
But, it sounds like upgrading is a whole lot more complicated than just running RUU_Excalibur... on my unlocked T-Mobile Dash. I then have to do a bunch of other mysterious steps?
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they aren't mysterious. they are all well documented here.

lafester said:
they aren't mysterious. they are all well documented here.
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But there isn't exactly a step by step guide, at least none I found on a search.

You could write one...

I am using WM6 since first HERMES build appear.
PRO
Faster
Nice grafic presentation
Some applets (office mobile for smartphone could be one)
Windows LIVE (but is also available ad WM5 add-on)
CON
Is at least a RTM bur still some beta's DLL and drivers are out, meaning unpredictable results with some appz
No big improvements, I am using smartphone notes and documents to go and I HAVE a better office sute, having even some PPT editing, nice word usability and formatting
Needs to be patched just to work normally
HTML e-mail works ONLY with exchange server 2007
Conclusion
The Excalibur HTC ROM is fast and stable (we are talking STABLE in terms of a windows system ). Documents to go is much better than WM6 office, no compatibility for both with office 2007 doc formats, nothing really improved having the WM6 Rom at this stage .
WM6 is a MS business to boost VISTA compatibility and exchange server 2005 sales (all important new features are available ONLY uif you use exchange server 2005)
From user point of view better graphic is the only real enhancement

WM6 really shines when you are a corporate user with Exchange 2007 airsync. You have stuff like rights management, sharepoint proxy, calendaring enhancements and better office integration (with lates office clients you can also use new formats). There is much more info on the M$FT website.

Will HTC release a new official Diamond rom?

Is it likely/possible?
Also i know the chance is low of seeing an official WM6.5 for Diamond, but is it possible? i.e. have they ever done anything like that before?

Yesterday I installed WM6.5 and have maximum satisfaction. The official can not, but some of Bety are already tuned enough, try this ROM --
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506533

bump?
is it worth hoping for a new rom?

sorry to say............
we have a old phone now.....don't hold your breath....you may turn blue

with the Diamond 2 out i very much doubt that there will be any new official ROM's for the Diamond.

You don't get an official WM6.5 ROM unless there's a dedicated Windows button on your device.

ruffage said:
You don't get an official WM6.5 ROM unless there's a dedicated Windows button on your device.
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what is Windows button ? is it just a Home button with Windows logo labeled on ?

does wm6.5 have any major performance improvements over 6.1, for example would touchflo3d work better?

6.5 is worth the wait.
jossgray said:
does wm6.5 have any major performance improvements over 6.1, for example would touchflo3d work better?
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lots of improvement,
- new finger-scrolling system, more responsive
- new memory management system, HIMEM, application with big .exe size can reduced to be only 1k .exe , and lots of .dlls - so one single program don't need to load everything at once - they'll call specific dll for specific function it use.
- lots of improvement in user interface makes it easy to use it with finger, bigger botton, X button, menu bar, etc.
-new start menu, with easier scrolling, customizable icon order.
-new IE with buit in flash.
-a Mobile MarketPlace client, you can download free apps, purchase apps easily on the go.
-new locking screen, unlock to specific program - mail, text, voicemail, call list.
htc should makes the 6.5 available for Diamond, it has a hugh improvement.

WM 6.5 a huge disappointment
punataro said:
lots of improvement,
- new finger-scrolling system, more responsive
- new memory management system, HIMEM, application with big .exe size can reduced to be only 1k .exe , and lots of .dlls - so one single program don't need to load everything at once - they'll call specific dll for specific function it use.
- lots of improvement in user interface makes it easy to use it with finger, bigger botton, X button, menu bar, etc.
-new start menu, with easier scrolling, customizable icon order.
-new IE with buit in flash.
-a Mobile MarketPlace client, you can download free apps, purchase apps easily on the go.
-new locking screen, unlock to specific program - mail, text, voicemail, call list.
htc should makes the 6.5 available for Diamond, it has a hugh improvement.
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I installed WM 6.5 and I can only say it is a huge disappointment!
The UI is just a disgrace. Did you see how big the menus are?
HTC tf3d is much more user friendly.
If Microsoft will continue this way then Symbian and Iphone will take their shares for sure...

e_sela said:
I installed WM 6.5 and I can only say it is a huge disappointment!
The UI is just a disgrace. Did you see how big the menus are?
HTC tf3d is much more user friendly.
If Microsoft will continue this way then Symbian and Iphone will take their shares for sure...
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i think you got it all wrong, its 6.1 vs. 6.5 ...not TF3D vs. 6.5

fazalali110 said:
i think you got it all wrong, its 6.1 vs. 6.5 ...not TF3D vs. 6.5
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Yeap Yeap Thats right!
e_sela , Now u need to find a suitable 6.5 ROM that has awesome Memory utilization & install 2.03 Manilla on it.
Which i've done - though lots & lots of flashing..
Refer to the setup in my signature below

andrewloh said:
what is Windows button ? is it just a Home button with Windows logo labeled on ?
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Pretty much. Although I would expect the Windows logo button to map to the Start Menu by default.

e_sela said:
I installed WM 6.5 and I can only say it is a huge disappointment!
The UI is just a disgrace. Did you see how big the menus are?
HTC tf3d is much more user friendly.
If Microsoft will continue this way then Symbian and Iphone will take their shares for sure...
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just same with my opinion... but we may hope cuz 6.5 not final official release yet.
So let hope

The WM6.5 Home screen is quite flexible and easy to create custom panels. And of course, phone manufactures like HTC can still create their own home screen for differentiation with others. That is an advantage of WM, IMHO. The native gestrue and scrolling features of WM6.5 are quite good.

Pharos Traveler GPS Series (117, 127, 137)

I thought someone should start a thread Window Mobile phone series because there is very little community discussion about them. They run off the 6.1 pro version. I personally have had a some success modifying my Traveler 127. i installed M2D in landscape mode thanks to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488017 the only problem with the install with that i had to use Manila2D 1.00.1819.2926 build to get the interface itself to run but other than that, its great. i can't remember where i got that build but i still have the file and can upload if needed. But anyways I think these are great phones and with everyones help I'm sure they can be even better.

I really can't be the only person with one of these phones, can I?

superman4545 said:
I really can't be the only person with one of these phones, can I?
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Surely not!
I have a Pharos Traveler 117.. are you like your ttraveler?
Did you have any idea about how to cook a rom for this devices?
Regards,

erickwill said:
Surely not!
I have a Pharos Traveler 117.. are you like your ttraveler?
Did you have any idea about how to cook a rom for this devices?
Regards,
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Well unfortunately i have no idea how to cook ROM's, I'm really hoping by starting this thread that it will catch the eye of someone who can, also the more people that see this thread, the more people that may responed with new ideas, programs and interfaces that they have got to work on their Traveler.
The more we talk the more this thread stays on the first page of the forum and everyone gets to see it.
So thanks for replying, by the way what Programs or Interfaces have you tried on your Traveler 117

Hey buddy,
Actually, I didn't start to handle deeply this traveler.. I am really waiting for some good news about the resources to cook a new rom for it.. because I really don't like this current WM version.
If someone reads this and have access to this information, please post here.
Regards,

you should really the M2D interface i posted. I wasn't at all impressed with SPB Mobile Shell that came with my Traveler 127. So after about two weeks of hunting and trail and error (obviously not every second was dedicated to finding this, i do have to work for a living) I forund M2D interface (HTC Homescreen interface) which acts as a Today Screen Plugin for our WM6.1 pro devices. It's really slick and works with error. I also found an "touch and sweep" type that works with our devices that allows you to scroll like the iphone rather than using the scroll bar itself. I can post this as well if anyone is interested.
Cheers

superman4545 said:
you should really the M2D interface i posted. I wasn't at all impressed with SPB Mobile Shell that came with my Traveler 127. So after about two weeks of hunting and trail and error (obviously not every second was dedicated to finding this, i do have to work for a living) I forund M2D interface (HTC Homescreen interface) which acts as a Today Screen Plugin for our WM6.1 pro devices. It's really slick and works with error. I also found an "touch and sweep" type that works with our devices that allows you to scroll like the iphone rather than using the scroll bar itself. I can post this as well if anyone is interested.
Cheers
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id you try to install spb shell 3.0 which comes with pharos 137 and see if you'd like it. i upgraded my pharos 117 spb shell from 2.0 t0 3.0 which works nice... but i have one set back with it. my camera wont startup.. and opera 9.7 beta sometimes act up on it. but i love the shell because it works great in every other aspect, and i do not use my camera so oftten. i'll attach the cap file . you can see if it will work for you.
you the key gen to generate serial and activate the shell.

tolexy110 said:
id you try to install spb shell 3.0 which comes with pharos 137 and see if you'd like it. i upgraded my pharos 117 spb shell from 2.0 t0 3.0 which works nice... but i have one set back with it. my camera wont startup.. and opera 9.7 beta sometimes act up on it. but i love the shell because it works great in every other aspect, and i do not use my camera so oftten. i'll attach the cap file . you can see if it will work for you.
you the key gen to generate serial and activate the shell.
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SPB mobile shell is alright but I just find there are too many steps involved in simple operations. I have infact tried a registered copy of spb mobile shell 3.0 and still too many steps. that's why I use the M2D interface, fewer steps.
What I would really like is for someone to cook a WM6.5 ROM for these phones.
Cheers

I just bought a Pharos Traveler 137 and have already installed the Topaz Comm Manager onto it. I had to change the following registry key after installing it to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > SOFTWARE > HTC > Comm Manager > WLAN > DeviceName=98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\UFMP1
I'd really like to find out how similar the device is to HTC devices as far as hardware and ROM similarity is concerned. I'm experiencing some skipping during playback of MP3s that wasn't cured by performing a hard reset. It would be nice to fix that.

Cook a rom for Pharos Travler
Anyone get extract the files from official Pharos rom to cook a WM6.5 rom?

There has to be more than three of us with these phones, come guys start talking!

Have had my 137 for just over a week and it seems to be a good phone but the old bugbear of BT voice dialling not working is here. Problem is MS Voice command can be activated by pressing your BT headset but the audio is sent to the device, not the headset. Anyone have any ideas to get it working?

ROM update
Pharos released a new ROM update yesterday. it is the same 20778 build of wm with a Pharos build date date of 6/25/09. not seeing a lot of changes, the double tap effect with single press is still present and it has been reported the blue tooth and voice dial problem still exist. hopefully now that a rom has been released for download someone will start thinking about cooking for the device. first we need HARD SPL!!!
FYI: A mod for Pharos stated in the Pharos Forum that they are NOT curently working on release of 6.5 for any traveler device. i hope this was some sort of mistake.

superman4545 said:
you should really the M2D interface i posted. I wasn't at all impressed with SPB Mobile Shell that came with my Traveler 127. So after about two weeks of hunting and trail and error (obviously not every second was dedicated to finding this, i do have to work for a living) I forund M2D interface (HTC Homescreen interface) which acts as a Today Screen Plugin for our WM6.1 pro devices. It's really slick and works with error. I also found an "touch and sweep" type that works with our devices that allows you to scroll like the iphone rather than using the scroll bar itself. I can post this as well if anyone is interested.
Cheers
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hey superman4545,
I am also looking for different options and I'm interested in your findings. If you could post them would be great. particularly curious of the "touch and sweep" option you mentioned. I myself have been using FTouchSL.
A couple of things I've installed...
1. touchpal keyboard (best word suggestion and correction options I've tried to date landscapemode is not the greatest could be larger)
2. PHMregedit
3. Opera 9.7 beta
4. s2u2 latest build found unlocking works smoother when on rawbuffer instead of direct draw but don't take my word as written in stone.
5. pandora with the "vga fix" (this could still use a lot of work but glad it plays)
6. garmin xt
7. total commander
8. FTouchSL

scrolling
i have attached htc scroll. after install navigate in the registry to HKCU\ControlPanel\Gestures\Touch\Disabled and set Decimal value to 0 and soft reset. now you will have htc kinetic scrolling that will not interfere with other programs such as pointui, mobile shell 3 of TF3D.

deadlye said:
hey superman4545,
I am also looking for different options and I'm interested in your findings. If you could post them would be great. particularly curious of the "touch and sweep" option you mentioned. I myself have been using FTouchSL.
A couple of things I've installed...
1. touchpal keyboard (best word suggestion and correction options I've tried to date landscapemode is not the greatest could be larger)
2. PHMregedit
3. Opera 9.7 beta
4. s2u2 latest build found unlocking works smoother when on rawbuffer instead of direct draw but don't take my word as written in stone.
5. pandora with the "vga fix" (this could still use a lot of work but glad it plays)
6. garmin xt
7. total commander
8. FTouchSL
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Here you go, first download this build of the M2D interface http://rapidshare.com/files/149919545/Manila2D_1.00_1819.2926-xplode.CAB then just follow the instructions on the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488017 But do not replace Backup file and do not do the reset defaults, and finally only install the rapidshare build, audio manager, album manage, and M2D config otherwise the interface will not loadand use these files and you should have no problems with the HTC M2D interface.
Enjoy!

jlavoie said:
Pharos released a new ROM update yesterday. it is the same 20778 build of wm with a Pharos build date date of 6/25/09. not seeing a lot of changes, the double tap effect with single press is still present and it has been reported the blue tooth and voice dial problem still exist. hopefully now that a rom has been released for download someone will start thinking about cooking for the device. first we need HARD SPL!!!
FYI: A mod for Pharos stated in the Pharos Forum that they are NOT curently working on release of 6.5 for any traveler device. i hope this was some sort of mistake.
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Just wondering if this ROM update was for the Traveler 137?

Glad to see a thread here on this phone
I have had my Pharos 137 just about 24 hours now. What a *quirky* phone. I'm just starting to customize it a bit. Anyone else seen weird interactions with bluetooth accessories? It seems to have crashed my BT stereo headphones - they won't shut off or interact with anything, am waiting for the battery to die so I can recharge and see. (FWIW they're cheap Best Buy house brand - Insignia)
Pandora will work on this phone. A bit challenging to get it installed, still haven't figured out a graceful way to shut it down. Very cool having 3g speed for Slingplayer Mobile.

superman4545,
yes, the updated rom is for the Pharos Traveler 137.

jlavoie said:
i have attached htc scroll. after install navigate in the registry to HKCU\ControlPanel\Gestures\Touch\Disabled and set Decimal value to 0 and soft reset. now you will have htc kinetic scrolling that will not interfere with other programs such as pointui, mobile shell 3 of TF3D.
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thanks for the cab jlavoie also thanks to you superman...
One quick question for ya jlavoie...or anyone that might know for that matter
the scrolling works great for everything except when reading a message in outlook I can scroll through inbox and other folders but not on messages themselves any ideas? I haven't found any reference to this in particular.
Using Pharos 137 btw...
thanks again!

Is it wise to upgrade?

I have an unbranded TP2 with an original dutch ROM. I use TouchFlo all the time and I'm pretty happy with it (responsiveness, speed, etc). Sometimes I use an alternative GUI, like SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 with Sense le Revolution. I never use the Windows UI by itself. I deactivated push internet so as to win RAM. My normal RAM usage is about 35% and therfore my TP2 reacts crispy. With all this saisand written, is it wise to upgrade to WinMo 6.5? What do I win when I upgrade? Advice most welcome,
regards, Kuzibri

I'm sorry I can't answer your question as I haven't upgraded but can you tell me how you disabled Push Internet? Thanks

First of all, before asking questions use the search function of this forum.
If you had done that, then you would have found this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532948

Thanks for the advice Kuzibri.
Actually, I only just discovered what a "forum" was a few days ago, this is all totally new to me. Most of it is Chinese and like learning hyrogliphics. I'm an old man now and it's all so new... so thanks for the advice. I'll try to learn how to use the Search function now.

kuzibri said:
I have an unbranded TP2 with an original dutch ROM. I use TouchFlo all the time and I'm pretty happy with it (responsiveness, speed, etc). Sometimes I use an alternative GUI, like SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 with Sense le Revolution. I never use the Windows UI by itself. I deactivated push internet so as to win RAM. My normal RAM usage is about 35% and therfore my TP2 reacts crispy. With all this saisand written, is it wise to upgrade to WinMo 6.5? What do I win when I upgrade? Advice most welcome,
regards, Kuzibri
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I upgraded to WM 6.5 when the HTC Official ROM (WWE version) became available. There are already several threads on the forum talking about people's experiences. For me personally the main gains were fixes to do with Microsoft Exchange-enforced security. I'll just quickly summarise my own experiences:
Positives:
1. Fixed the behaviour with going to Home Tab (when the Simple PIN security was active) every time the phone was turned on, and also when taking the phone away from your head to use the dialpad when in the middle of a call.
2. Fixed the wifi settings being lost on a weak signal.
3. Added cool-looking lock screen (which I actually like)
4. New "HTC Sense" version of TouchFLO - it's still Manila 2.1 but with added animated weather wallpaper, and location services (detects where you are and updates weather accordingly).
5. FM Radio is bundled as standard and it works. On WM 6.1 the FM Radio app that you could manually add in would get 'stuck' on a particular radio station. This does not happen on the WM 6.5 version.
Interesting:
1. New Hexagonal Start screen: Trying to get used to this still. The grid-style Start Menu for the WM 6.1 ROM is in a tab called 'Programs' now.
2. New behaviour with wifi: When set to 'on' in HTC's Communications manager, Wifi switches off in standby and connects again only when an app tries to access data. This can cause problems in Opera when it gets tired of waiting for wifi to connect and just times out, requiring a page refresh. See this thread on the new behaviour: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571993
3. Windows Marketplace: I haven't used this enough to make a comment.
4. Microsoft My Phone: Installed but checks for an updated version and downloads that. You can do this on WM6.1 manually anyway.
Negatives
1. Memory usage is higher with the official WM 6.5 ROM, so deactivating Push Internet is a very good idea.
2. Apps seem to get 'killed' more easily and booted from running in the background than on the WM 6.1 Stock ROM even if there is fair amount of RAM left. See this Tilt2 thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575663
3. Last Full Charge information does not work very well. See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571606
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4. The WM6.5 ROM disables control over the which alerts flash the LED. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572054
5. Owner information requires a bit of fiddling around to get to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571198
So basically, the WM 6.5 upgrade is not perfect, but it did fix a lot of things that I found very annoying with the original ROM. My advice is that if you're happy with your current set-up, there's no rush to upgrade. For me, the fixes were worth it.

Hi monomer888,
thank you very much for your elaborate answer.
regards, Kuzibri

Nice! Thank you so much for the detailed answer!
I have been waiting for Tmo to release their official 6.5 upgrade for sometime. I used WM6.5 on tmo wing in the past and honestly wasn't that impressed (and it was earlier builds too, and locks up all the time). The one advantage of the "official rom" by tmo is that it's stable. For the past 2 months I had my TP2 I may have soft reset twice due to the phone hanging in the middle of the day and that's it. No missing important phone calls in that nature. It's just stable.
Of course wm6.5 always have something to be desired, which is the new windows button and close button, but I'll wait till it fully matures.
monomer888 said:
I upgraded to WM 6.5 when the HTC Official ROM (WWE version) became available. There are already several threads on the forum talking about people's experiences. For me personally the main gains were fixes to do with Microsoft Exchange-enforced security. I'll just quickly summarise my own experiences:
Positives:
1. Fixed the behaviour with going to Home Tab (when the Simple PIN security was active) every time the phone was turned on, and also when taking the phone away from your head to use the dialpad when in the middle of a call.
2. Fixed the wifi settings being lost on a weak signal.
3. Added cool-looking lock screen (which I actually like)
4. New "HTC Sense" version of TouchFLO - it's still Manila 2.1 but with added animated weather wallpaper, and location services (detects where you are and updates weather accordingly).
5. FM Radio is bundled as standard and it works. On WM 6.1 the FM Radio app that you could manually add in would get 'stuck' on a particular radio station. This does not happen on the WM 6.5 version.
Interesting:
1. New Hexagonal Start screen: Trying to get used to this still. The grid-style Start Menu for the WM 6.1 ROM is in a tab called 'Programs' now.
2. New behaviour with wifi: When set to 'on' in HTC's Communications manager, Wifi switches off in standby and connects again only when an app tries to access data. This can cause problems in Opera when it gets tired of waiting for wifi to connect and just times out, requiring a page refresh. See this thread on the new behaviour: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571993
3. Windows Marketplace: I haven't used this enough to make a comment.
4. Microsoft My Phone: Installed but checks for an updated version and downloads that. You can do this on WM6.1 manually anyway.
Negatives
1. Memory usage is higher with the official WM 6.5 ROM, so deactivating Push Internet is a very good idea.
2. Apps seem to get 'killed' more easily and booted from running in the background than on the WM 6.1 Stock ROM even if there is fair amount of RAM left. See this Tilt2 thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575663
3. Last Full Charge information does not work very well. See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571606
EDIT: Forgot some more points:
4. The WM6.5 ROM disables control over the which alerts flash the LED. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572054
5. Owner information requires a bit of fiddling around to get to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571198
So basically, the WM 6.5 upgrade is not perfect, but it did fix a lot of things that I found very annoying with the original ROM. My advice is that if you're happy with your current set-up, there's no rush to upgrade. For me, the fixes were worth it.
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Well, if I had more time to devote to my phone, I'd probably try a custom ROM on it. As it stands my phone functions well day-to-day and even with its faults, I love how the TP2 works.