Ok so I'm considering converting to Android. Anyone here ever developed for that platform? How does it compare on the key features missing/not missing from WP7, like:
-Multitasking
-File system access
-Native code execution
-Sideloading
-GUI libraries (This is one of the POSITIVE things of WP7 - the Metro lib)
I can pretty much live with most limitations apart from file system access in some form - lack of it means that I can't even copy a ppt from a PC that doesn't have Zune stuff installed, let alone copy my ebook library to the phone. That is the most annoying thing on the iPhone, and I really hate to see it appearing here.
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I can pretty much live with most limitations apart from file system access in some form - lack of it means that I can't even copy a ppt from a PC that doesn't have Zune stuff installed, let alone copy my ebook library to the phone. That is the most annoying thing on the iPhone, and I really hate to see it appearing here.
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im sure there will be a way, why else would they put power point on the phone only to have to email it to yourself?? that would be stupid, good thing i dont use PP
Well, there's desktop software, so you can "sync" some files to the device. Zune PC software is miles better and more flexible than the iTunes (i.e. you can add multiple sources/folders for different types of content), but it's still limited in so many ways (like you have to have software installed, which is a 50MB+ download, and it only exists for Windows). Another problem is that you can't download files from the internet with a browser (there's no file save dialog available, so where would you put it), you can't save an email attachment, etc.
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Well, there's desktop software, so you can "sync" some files to the device. Zune PC software is miles better and more flexible than the iTunes (i.e. you can add multiple sources/folders for different types of content), but it's still limited in so many ways (like you have to have software installed, which is a 50MB+ download, and it only exists for Windows). Another problem is that you can't download files from the internet with a browser (there's no file save dialog available, so where would you put it), you can't save an email attachment, etc.
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i totally forgot about file downloads...i think im gonna miss that the most i hope they change it..i wanna be able to download things onto my phone, man they are taking so much away
but still adding enough for me to switch
We just need a jailbreak for this.
Android > WP7
I was, and still am, using WM for some time now and like it a lot. But having all these limitations just sucks. Having no multitasking and being stuck with the default startscreen without the possibility of having Sense, SPB Mobile Shell etc. is most annoying and will result in beeing my next phone an Android device ...
I can understand why Microsoft was tempted to adopt iPhones OS bit by bit, but this is just absurd. They stripped everything good from WM combining it with everything bad from the iPhone and mixing it with some eyecandy. Bravo ... and bye :-(
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Android > WP7
I was, and still am, using WM for some time now and like it a lot. But having all these limitations just sucks. Having no multitasking and being stuck with the default startscreen without the possibility of having Sense, SPB Mobile Shell etc. is most annoying and will result in beeing my next phone an Android device ...
I can understand why Microsoft was tempted to adopt iPhones OS bit by bit, but this is just absurd. They stripped everything good from WM combining it with everything bad from the iPhone and mixing it with some eyecandy. Bravo ... and bye :-(
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WP7 > WM6.5 > iphone > android
android feels like a cheap mix of wm & iphone to me i never like it, yes they mite have stripped away alot of what made wm great but it also stripped away so much that made it horrible
Cheap mix? Have you recently used an Android device? The OS has grown up since first released. 2.1 is very nice to use and since its highly customizable, you can change the looks to whatever you like. And don't forget, google are frequently updating their OS - unlike the WM or Apple, where changes came quite slow.
So frequently they change their OS that the platform is a complete zoo already, with several major versions in the market, and even an achievement of making an application that works on a single phone. Granted, WM isn't much better, but at least it has an excuse of having existed for some 10 years.
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Cheap mix? Have you recently used an Android device? The OS has grown up since first released. 2.1 is very nice to use and since its highly customizable, you can change the looks to whatever you like. And don't forget, google are frequently updating their OS - unlike the WM or Apple, where changes came quite slow.
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Customization is not only about a fancy look! For sure you can perform great hacks within a Java sandbox! :lol:
About frequent updates, yes, Android really needs them, to reach the level that WM 6 already has got!
I am with you in this part, that is the biggest let down for me.
I put quite a lot of files on my current WM, software utilities, my own data, etc.
I like to carry them, just in case I visited my friends/families and I want to help them fix their PC.
Now, how can I do that with WP7?
My only option would be via email ... or a bit better if there is DropBox.com client on WP7. But still, transferring large file will be painful.
Sure, I can live without multitasking, really, I dont use it much or not at all.
I can live without SD card slot (8GB or more internal storage is good enough for me).
I can live without side-loading, no worries.
But please give me access to transfer files ...
vangrieg said:
I can pretty much live with most limitations apart from file system access in some form - lack of it means that I can't even copy a ppt from a PC that doesn't have Zune stuff installed, let alone copy my ebook library to the phone. That is the most annoying thing on the iPhone, and I really hate to see it appearing here.
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Cheap mix? Have you recently used an Android device? The OS has grown up since first released. 2.1 is very nice to use and since its highly customizable, you can change the looks to whatever you like. And don't forget, google are frequently updating their OS - unlike the WM or Apple, where changes came quite slow.
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no i havent used the nexus 1 or the NEW stuff but, i could care less about frequent updates unless it added something major, i used the eris very briefly about a week ago & it seems pretty much like the same crap that was on the G1, i dont like it 1 bit(besides the lock screen) id rather stick with WM or switch to the iphone, but thats just me
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About frequent updates, yes, Android really needs them, to reach the level that WM 6 already has got!
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It's not just about frequency of updates, it's about consistency in the update policy as well. Having people see an Android phone and say "umm... I see that's running 1.5. Is it getting the 2.1 update?" is bad, getting replies down the lines of "maybe", "if we feel like it" or "if the manufacturer chooses to support the update" is disgusting. I'm not even referring to old handsets here, recent lower-end models are having this problem. Even the Milestone had problems, there was a distinct lack of info from Motorola about if and when the Milestone would go from 2.0 to 2.1
Android is an interesting OS, but I think Microsoft definitely have one up on Google with regards to the way they'll be handling manufacturers on WP7. It *should* work well, a nice balance between the Android/WinMo method of "do whatever you like" and Apple/Palm's method of locking down the hardware completely.
yes, updating an OS frequently comes with some disadvantages, but having an OS which is moving forward constantly, like android, outweighs those disadvantages. look at the features android is offering - neither WM/WP7 nor the iphone can compete with that.
and seriously, are you kidding with the updates? at least some devices are getting official updates from 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.0 and so on ... look at windows mobile handsets. WE have to keep our devices uptodate, since microsofts business model is too crappy to do that, and HTC sometimes just doesn't bother (how long did it take for the TP2 to get an 6.5 update?) - not to mention the other OEMs.
dont get me wrong, I like WM for what it is at the moment - highly customizable with nearly endless possibilities. and I love my HD2 more than ever, since I customized it exactly the way I needed. but after seeing what google has accomplished with android within this short period of time and the current version, I am pretty certain I will switch over to android - due to the massive shortcomings of WP7S. No copy and paste ... come on.
Android OF COURSE.
Nobody can seriously want a phone that does not even copy&paste. Not to mention multitasking. And worst of all, the only way to get files onto the phone is to email them to yourself. WP7S SUCKS BIG TIME.
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So frequently they change their OS that the platform is a complete zoo already, with several major versions in the market, and even an achievement of making an application that works on a single phone. Granted, WM isn't much better, but at least it has an excuse of having existed for some 10 years.
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This is complete crap and it annoys me when I read comments about this, "android fragmentation" etc by people who know nothing about the OS.
There are currently 2 "main versions" of Android
- Android 2.1 (and 2.0)
- Android 1.6
While it is true that phones are still being released with Android 1.6, most of them will be updated to 2.1 soon enough. There is absolutely no limitation of being on Android 1.6 you can still run 90% of apps. Android is backwards compatible, most developers will look to develop for Android 1.6 because it will work on both 1.6 and 2.1. Infact... I know of only 1 app which is 2.0+ exclusive which is Urbanspoon (big deal).
The phones which still run on 1.6 are largely those which run custom UI. This is because android is developed at a fast pace and developers need time to develop their custom UI. (2.0 and 2.1 are fairly new) They will be updated to 1.6 in time.
The G1 probably wont be updated, this phone is almost 2 years old? I'm sorry but technology moves fastly and its necessary to leave some things behind in order to progress.
So that's it. We have 2 versions, 1.6 and 2.0/1 with nearly all 1.6 phones being updated to 2.1 soon.
The Hero is still on 1.5 this because they decided to skip 1.6 altogether and go from 1.5 to 2.1 and that update is coming very soon.
Custom UI Doesn't cause fragmentation, it's like having TouchFlo3d on windows that doesn't cause problems. It's still the same OS underneath, still runs the same apps and still functions in the exact same way.
And no it's not an achievement of making an app which works on a single phone. Android is very easy to develop for, Java is easy to learn and an app coded for 1.6 will work for every device out there.
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It's not just about frequency of updates, it's about consistency in the update policy as well. Having people see an Android phone and say "umm... I see that's running 1.5. Is it getting the 2.1 update?" is bad, getting replies down the lines of "maybe", "if we feel like it" or "if the manufacturer chooses to support the update" is disgusting. I'm not even referring to old handsets here, recent lower-end models are having this problem. Even the Milestone had problems, there was a distinct lack of info from Motorola about if and when the Milestone would go from 2.0 to 2.1
Android is an interesting OS, but I think Microsoft definitely have one up on Google with regards to the way they'll be handling manufacturers on WP7. It *should* work well, a nice balance between the Android/WinMo method of "do whatever you like" and Apple/Palm's method of locking down the hardware completely.
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Differences between Android 2.0 and 2.1?
Live Wallpapers
Gallery3D
Few tweaks
It wasn't necessary for Motorola to rush a 2.0 to 2.1 upgrade. All apps that work on 2.1 will work on 2.0 anyway.
It is totally irrelevant for the user whether the platform is fragmented.
The user just buys the phone that does what he wants. Sure, he can not know that a phone does what he wants just because it has "Android" written on it, but with a little bit of using his brain he can find out.
I want Android and MS Exchange? I buy the Desire. I do not have to care about other devices, so what? I don't give a **** about fragmentation.
I want a real keyboard? I buy the Droid/Milestone. Do I have to care what Android version other phones run? No.
Fragmentation is maybe bad for developers and it sure would be good if Google fixed it, but they have lots of time, cause WP7 starts off with very little apps, so Google has a huge lead.
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I read again and again that people want Android on their devices. I still don't see the advantage.
Android is a 1.0-release and lacks the large pool of software available for Windows Mobile. It's own set of features seems somewhat lacking to me - no pushmail (including synchronisation of calendar and contacts with exchange) being the biggest of the disadvantages in my opinion.
Have fun!
Bingo, what I was thinking and saying for a long time... But as the saying goes, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Everyone will put it for a second, say "wow" and return to the good ol' WM.http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/grassisalway.html
1) It's something new. New is always more exciting than old. When WM7 comes out, most people will want to upgrade.
2) Features and software that is not available to WM. Location aware games that don't exist for WM,
3) App store- finding apps for WM kinda sucks, you find something that looks really cool only to find that it doesnt actually work on your device.
4) Open environment. WM (until future releases) looks the same. Skins can change it, but they slow down the phone. Android can be completely changed at a system level so things don't slow down the same way.
5) There are more reasons, but just go to engadget and read about it.
Edit- I think the G1 kinda sucks by the way. I have never used one, but would want a device with atleast a vga screen.
No one's saying new software isn't cool. But let it cook for a while, it isn't better now.
advantages
I see 2 advantages:
- I think android is faster than WM. WM take a while sometimes to launch a small app.
- Android can be fully controlled with one hand.
- I think that in the future much more applications will be available on it. (like a real browser supporting java and flash.)
Most of people are curious about new thing, whether it is good or not. People would like to try out for themselves. This is human instinct.
This topic totally subjective as some may look different aspect such as nice interface, performance, application compatiblility etc.
Well i think that LINUX is the word, it's an open system and probably is easier for the coders.
Have you ever seen the Ubuntu release of linux for PC? maybe android could become the same for PPC.
Bye
I hope I will get very fast main-phone functionality, more speed and less buggy
Apps will be developed quicker.
the major thing that makes me want to move over to Android is the fact that my hang up key takes AGES to respond when i make a call and it really annoys me to the point id rather change OS, oh and the fact that it's open source, so be prepared for heaps of software
Lol
that hang-up key is programmed to 3 seconds delay and can be changed with Advanced-Config
Addicteddddd said:
the major thing that makes me want to move over to Android is the fact that my hang up key takes AGES to respond when i make a call and it really annoys me to the point id rather change OS, oh and the fact that it's open source, so be prepared for heaps of software
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Hi, get AdvancedConfig for your Diamond and there you have the option to change the hangup delay from default 5 seconds !! (crazy, I know) to zero if you want.
i have changed it, keeps resetting for some reason
There are all sorts of threads except this one, the main topic. Will the current phones that are running the official and the aahemm...not so official WinMo 6.5 have an easy upgrade, the new OS looks stunning and I don't want anything but that OS ON MY PHONE...I don't care what it doesn't have..I JUST WANT IT....
I have an X1, running Spike's Infinite...so the big Q...Can I have it???
THANX!
Hoping Touch HD will be ok.
Touch HD2 will be lucky to have it let alone other devices. seeing as 6.5 will be hanging around, I doubt there will be any upgrades.
Not easy to say. It seems WP7s is going to have strict hardware ties. The lack of a search-button on present devices also gives a hint that it might just be available on future phones. I'm personally starting to doubt the rumours that HD2 will get an official update. Time will tell! But i'm confident we'll see it on (some) of our existing phones thanks to the great contributors here on XDA.
WVGA minimum, the multitouch probably can be worked around.
Ok....I was THIS close in buying the Touch HD2 and Touch Diamond 2..but then I heard voices in my head and bought the Xperia X1..not that I am complaining..but I want this on X1 Too....
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
1ghz CPU or snapdragon equivalent
WVGA capacative or alternative multitouch capable screen
512MB RAM/ROM
The whole spec list is on engadget, but it looks like the HD2 and only the HD2 + a couple of phones not yet released (Toshiba TG02) meet the minimum.
Bingo, 1Ghz Snapdragon or better, WVGA Capactive Screen be LED or AMOLED
I saw no notice that LED screens will be required. LCD should be fine, although it's a moot point since AMOLED's can be literally printed onto glass with an inkjet, it's going to kill mobile sized LCD on cost alone within 2 years. A win for contrast ratio, a loss for outdoor legibility.
Could probably work on current devices if you could turn off the animated tiles
I am using HTC 8525 with Win Mob 6.5 OS.
Can I upgrade it to Windows Phone 7?
ivk said:
I am using HTC 8525 with Win Mob 6.5 OS.
Can I upgrade it to Windows Phone 7?
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Nope........
What about Xperia X1??
Is it a completely NO-NO or a May-be???
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What about Xperia X1??
Is it a completely NO-NO or a May-be???
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Its a complete no, Minimum specs are a 1Ghz Snapdragon processor. 512MB of RAM and 512MB ROM.
walshieau said:
Its a complete no, Minimum specs are a 1Ghz Snapdragon processor. 512MB of RAM and 512MB ROM.
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Shyt man, BUT is there a way we can have it modified for X1, or atleast the Zune Music Player for my X1..
plz plz DevGods...I pray thee..
circleofomega said:
Shyt man, BUT is there a way we can have it modified for X1, or atleast the Zune Music Player for my X1..
plz plz DevGods...I pray thee..
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omg.....
first according to the requirements. I say to you nooooo way in hell. The X1 have everything WinPhone 7 hates, low res. not enough ram, cpu etc........
second of all, until MIX10 no dev here really knows what they are working with....
my opinion on the "new windows mobile"....
i can't imagine microsoft built a complete new OS. Maybe the Core (CE 6.0) and the GUI. They abandoned some old stuff like the start menu. but the basic things are still there (status bar at the top like in winmo 6.5.x and soft buttons at the bottom)
So it's very likely (from a developers view) that things work like in winmo6.5 under the hood. you'll still have a registry to break / improve stuff, a filesystem like fat32. microsoft has never taken a step and reinvented the wheel. they always used old stuff for their systems (windows 7 still includes an old dialog from win3.11)
Since they still use the active sync protocol you'll be able to work with the registry if old registry apps don't work anymore. the bootloader (read. spl) will still be the same so people can still flash stuff and read the memory in spl mode...
yeah... theres some pretty interesting stuff comming up (changes in marketplace, zune integration, zune worldwide, gaming and future apps). but time will tell and me thinks this is some sort of hype and panic atm.
just my 2 cents
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my opinion on the "new windows mobile"....
i can't imagine microsoft built a complete new OS. Maybe the Core (CE 6.0) and the GUI. They abandoned some old stuff like the start menu. but the basic things are still there (status bar at the top like in winmo 6.5.x and soft buttons at the bottom)
So it's very likely (from a developers view) that things work like in winmo6.5 under the hood. you'll still have a registry to break / improve stuff, a filesystem like fat32. microsoft has never taken a step and reinvented the wheel. they always used old stuff for their systems (windows 7 still includes an old dialog from win3.11)
Since they still use the active sync protocol you'll be able to work with the registry if old registry apps don't work anymore. the bootloader (read. spl) will still be the same so people can still flash stuff and read the memory in spl mode...
yeah... theres some pretty interesting stuff comming up (changes in marketplace, zune integration, zune worldwide, gaming and future apps). but time will tell and me thinks this is some sort of hype and panic atm.
just my 2 cents
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Wouldn't be so sure about all that...
operative1 said:
my opinion on the "new windows mobile"....
i can't imagine microsoft built a complete new OS. Maybe the Core (CE 6.0) and the GUI. They abandoned some old stuff like the start menu. but the basic things are still there (status bar at the top like in winmo 6.5.x and soft buttons at the bottom)
So it's very likely (from a developers view) that things work like in winmo6.5 under the hood. you'll still have a registry to break / improve stuff, a filesystem like fat32. microsoft has never taken a step and reinvented the wheel. they always used old stuff for their systems (windows 7 still includes an old dialog from win3.11)
Since they still use the active sync protocol you'll be able to work with the registry if old registry apps don't work anymore. the bootloader (read. spl) will still be the same so people can still flash stuff and read the memory in spl mode...
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I also doubt that Microsoft started from scratch (meaning that every line of code is brand new), however if they created a new Core (CE 6.0), removed the legacy APIs and introduced a new API, it is a completely new operating system from a developer's point of view. For example: There might be a registry but that does not mean that third party applications have unlimited access to it and can change every item, because the necessary API is missing.
We will know more after MIX...
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omg.....
first according to the requirements. I say to you nooooo way in hell. The X1 have everything WinPhone 7 hates, low res. not enough ram, cpu etc........
second of all, until MIX10 no dev here really knows what they are working with....
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Dont know what you mean by low res.. X1 has WVGA.
Regardless, unless your device has snapdragon forget all hopes of an official OR hacked upgrade. It cannot be ported to your device. It is two versions of the wince kernel ahead. Complete new drivers are needed. Without the OEM releasing an update to your device or device with similar hardware it will not be ported to your device. I have heard rumors that touch hd2 will get an update but that remains to be seen.
Which one would you choose?
(Assuming that WP7 won't get major changes to its UI itself and that the prototype is the final version of WP7)
I voted for WP7 but the question is - when should I choose? Right now there's no Windows Phone 7. All we've seen is an unfinished UI prototype. I wouldn't switch my 6.5 for that. WP7 shows a lot of promise but how it will materialize and when isn't at all clear.
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I voted for WP7 but the question is - when should I choose? Right now there's no Windows Phone 7. All we've seen is an unfinished UI prototype. I wouldn't switch my 6.5 for that. WP7 shows a lot of promise but how it will materialize and when isn't at all clear.
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Good point here...
I voted WP7.
Why?
1. I dont like iPhone, because of all its restriction.
2. I am using WM6.1 (HTC Kaiser) and want to update/upgrade
3. I am about to move to Android, but I cannot get Nexus one here in my country.
However after I saw WP7, I think that would be my right choice to replace my HTC Kaiser.
I have been waiting for several years already and waiting another 1 year is fine with me
In the meantime I can still play around with Android on it.
gogol said:
1. I dont like iPhone, because of all its restriction.
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I hope you realize that WP7 is just as restricted...
freyberry said:
I hope you realize that WP7 is just as restricted...
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Hard to realize something that hasn't been announced.
It will be Android on Desire for me.. Have some experience with Android on the Hero which my brother has. Definitely much better than the Windows 6.5 on my TD2 and when Microsoft will release 7, Android will probably have some kind of new version too.. (a 2.5 or 3.0 next year maybe?)
You again?
And you sir, you got another super secret friend told you about that?
Of course there will be limitation or some kind of restriction on WP7, I knew that. But what exactly? I don't know.
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I hope you realize that WP7 is just as restricted...
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Well I agree that WM7 is a long way off. Might as enjoy WM6.5.x now while its here. The new GUI of the later builds is enough to keep you busy for a while. There are lots of new features and extras all the time. It is kind of ironic but the more I look at WM7 the more I see a generic OS like the motorolas use or something on a freebie cellphone.
WM6.5.x still has compatibility to thousands of apps and has a slew of homescreens to choose from to keep your appetite at bay for a while. I think WM7 looks cool... but like previously stated, it is too far to tell how it will actually play out. Are the videos we've seen just the homescreen, where the actual OS we're used to is underneath? Where is the file manager, start menu, etc. These are very important questions before waiting A YEAR to use it.
I would recommend just getting whatever you want now and by the time you're ready for a new one... WP7 will be out and you'll have a better understanding of how it works. I'd just hate to see you wait a year and the OS be a dud.
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You again?
And you sir, you got another super secret friend told you about that?
Of course there will be limitation or some kind of restriction on WP7, I knew that. But what exactly? I don't know.
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Looks pretty much confirmed to me, that WP7 will be restricted in EXACTLY the same ways as iPhone OS is.
(btw. they have the same kind of censorship in their Marketplace as Apple)
EVERYTHING announced so far goes perfectly in line with those rumors, so why should the rest of them be incorrect?
· WP7 will be announced at MWC, and there will be a demo, but this will be just the UX
· MIX will have specific developement focus sessions on WP7
· WP7 supports both Sliverlight (out of browser) and XNA
· Silverlight is version 3.0, with elements of 4.0 plus mobile specific features such as sensors etc
· XNA apps can be developed using XNA GameStudio 3.1
· SL apps developed using Expression Blend 3.x and VS2010
· MS will release a mobile version of VS / Expression which will be free, and VS2010 / Expression Pro will have a free add-on
· WP7 will have an equivalent of .NET CF embedded into SL, but no SQL.
· WP7 will have isolated storage which is accessible using LINQ
· The UX of WP7 is based upon a theme called “METRO” and is similar to Zune HD, but with a completely new “Start” screen.
· No multi-tasking (applications will pause when in the background, however they will support notifications using the MS Push Notifications environment)
· No .NET CF backwards compatibility, however a proportion of the data and business logic in .NET CF could be ported
· MS were confident to have devices ready for Sep 2010
· No MS manufactured device, however much tighter control of manufacturing process, so as an example each device has a 3D processing chipset, and MS provide all of the device drivers. So no platform builder. This enables OTA updates and simplified model for ODM’s
· Marketplace will support buy and try before you buy, as well as an API
· ODM / OEM will not be able to modify the “Start” screen, so no more HTC Sense / TouchFlo etc.
· MS are actually ahead of schedule which will surprise the analysts / journalists
· Browsing experience is currently faster / better than iPhone 3G, and they are aiming towards 3GS.
· Browser is based upon desktop IE7 codebase, but with some IE8 functionality
· No in browser Flash or SL
· WP7 has full integration with XBOX Live, and ability to purchase games
· WP7 will use the Zune software for music, videos, photos sync
· WP7 only supports app installation through service based delivery i.e. marketplace, so no side-loading
· MS will provide a hosted push notifications environment
That also answers the thread question: I hate restrictions, thus I'm going Android
I agree. WP7 is stupid OS for stupid phones and it is targeted at stupid (iPhone) consumers. Like somebody said before, it's not an OS, it's just Facebook on steroids. Android or Maemo are for us non-teenagers, power users etc.
For starter, you can have some customization WP7 Start Screen, while iPhone cant.
See? That's not EXACTLY like iPhone.
Oh well, let see after MIX if I still like WP7.
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Looks pretty much confirmed to me, that WP7 will be restricted in EXACTLY the same ways as iPhone OS is.
(btw. they have the same kind of censorship in their Marketplace as Apple)
EVERYTHING announced so far goes perfectly in line with those rumors, so why should the rest of them be incorrect?
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For starter, you can have some customization WP7 Start Screen, while iPhone cant.
See? That's not EXACTLY like iPhone.
Oh well, let see after MIX if I still like WP7.
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what's the difference between the giant squares of wm7 and iphone mini squares?
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what's the difference between the giant squares of wm7 and iphone mini squares?
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You pick and choose which 'giant squares' you get on your start screen on WP7 and they're actively updating ("Live Tiles") unlike the iPhone's static icons (73* and sunny!).
RustyGrom said:
You pick and choose which 'giant squares' you get on your start screen on WP7 and they're actively updating ("Live Tiles") unlike the iPhone's static icons (73* and sunny!).
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Well, that's not much of a difference. You can choose which "mini squares" you want on your start screen on iPhone OS. That leaves us with only one advantage for WP7 - updating of live tiles. So, WP7 sounds like a newer iPhone OS version, nothing more. In fact, iPhone OS will (probably) support multitasking in the next version.
pilgrim011 said:
Well, that's not much of a difference. You can choose which "mini squares" you want on your start screen on iPhone OS. That leaves us with only one advantage for WP7 - updating of live tiles. So, WP7 sounds like a newer iPhone OS version, nothing more. In fact, iPhone OS will (probably) support multitasking in the next version.
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What kinda of multi tasking do you need? According to what I've read and seen. If you have an app open and then open another. The first one will be suspended but if you hit the back button on the phone it will take you right back to where you left off on the previous app. That pretty much like multitasking. It will still remember what you were doing on the app when you change. And then items that require to be active in the background will beable to with approval. I don't need my calculator active in the background when I switch apps. That's just one more thing I need to close all the time with my task manager at the moment.
I don't get it, what make you think WP7 = newer iPhone OS?
If let say the Start Screen can have background image customization, will you still say "Right, that is newer iPhone OS because in the future iPhone OS will have that feature as well".
Then what? iPhone will have Xbox integration as well?
And the "hubs" concept, is that also the next iPhone OS feature?
If that's what you believe, then everything will be the newer iPhone OS.
Of course there will be similarities, or similar restrictions, but saying they are exactly the same is just wrong.
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Well, that's not much of a difference. You can choose which "mini squares" you want on your start screen on iPhone OS. That leaves us with only one advantage for WP7 - updating of live tiles. So, WP7 sounds like a newer iPhone OS version, nothing more. In fact, iPhone OS will (probably) support multitasking in the next version.
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gogol said:
For starter, you can have some customization WP7 Start Screen, while iPhone cant.
See? That's not EXACTLY like iPhone.
Oh well, let see after MIX if I still like WP7.
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True, that's an advantage. I do think, when you compare the two locked down platforms, WP7 is really much better.
But still, it's just as locked down as iPhone OS. I don't want that. I want something that's open like Android (or WM6.5, but that's doomed).
Kloc said:
What kinda of multi tasking do you need?
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The same as on Windows XP or Windows 7 or WinMo 6X. Simply - multitasking.
gogol said:
Of course there will be similarities, or similar restrictions, but saying they are exactly the same is just wrong.
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I'm not saying they are the same, but they are very similar. I hate iPhone OS (because of restrictions), and now I hate WP7 (for the same reasons).
watch apple will sue microsoft for a sliding to unlock mechanism XD
anyway its too early to tell, but i do wish there would be more apps developed for windows mobile 6.5 =\ i mean theres not much to do once you get done with all the nitty gritty stuff
Hey all,
I was wondering if there is a possibility to port WP7 apps to WP6.5.3? I was thinking about WP7 versions of Skype and all those things.
Thanks,
MadMatt
No. The frameworks, etc. are completely different and not supported on 6.X
Personally, I would be more interested in doing it the other other way, AKA current 6.1,6.5 etc apps to WP7....
Too much invested over the years with apps to just dump...but, that's just me...
I am actually quite happy we cannot do WM -> WP ports in a flash as that would make for a bunch of half assed ports showing up.
Being forced to rewrite [more of] it means you actually spend time on doing it right rather than a quick hack to get it running.
What is a little distressing is the fact a lot of low lever functionality is missing/blocked though and if anything I'm hoping we will get access to these sooner rather than later. While being able to intercept incoming calls or text messages may not sound like a big deal it is extremely versatile from a coders perspective.
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No. The frameworks, etc. are completely different and not supported on 6.X
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Wasnt there the Frameworks (XNA and Net 3.7) ported to wm6.5.x?? In another thread on this forum?
Im also not having hope for a fully working port of wp7 on my device. but I can remember one of the early statements of MS where they said that apps can easily be proted to older (paralel windows phone 6??) devices.
i think they meant that if you coded an app purely in .NET4 for WP you could re-use a lot of your code (almost certainly your basic classes at least) and relatively easily re-work it to .NETCF3 for WM6.X
My catalogue of WM apps is the only thing stopping me from making the just to be honest.....i couldn't live without my tomtom app etc for long
snoe said:
Wasnt there the Frameworks (XNA and Net 3.7) ported to wm6.5.x?? In another thread on this forum?
Im also not having hope for a fully working port of wp7 on my device. but I can remember one of the early statements of MS where they said that apps can easily be proted to older (paralel windows phone 6??) devices.
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OHH so you like apps that just crash then go ahead and do it but if you want apps to work at acceptable speeds STOP BEING AN IDIOT GET A WP7 DEVICE. WM 6.5 FAILS IN TERMS OF SPEED EXCEPT HTC HD2. BUT IF YOU ENJOY NOKIA-LIKE CRASHES GO AHEAD AND TRY WP7 3D APPS ON WM6.5 IF U LIKE SLOW
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OHH so you like apps that just crash then go ahead and do it but if you want apps to work at acceptable speeds STOP BEING AN IDIOT GET A WP7 DEVICE. WM 6.5 FAILS IN TERMS OF SPEED EXCEPT HTC HD2. BUT IF YOU ENJOY NOKIA-LIKE CRASHES GO AHEAD AND TRY WP7 3D APPS ON WM6.5 IF U LIKE SLOW
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Just relax please. I'm not that idiot that I want a heavy 3D application on my WP6.5 device. I was thinking about apps like Skype
On my blog, I recently wrote an article about some of the reasons why Windows Mobile 6.5 is still useful even with Windows Phone 7(.5) out. So with all of the news about Mango coming soon, do you think that Windows Phone 7(.x) has enough features to go ahead and completely replace Windows Mobile 6.5 or is there a reason why you still use Windows Mobile 6.5? For me (even though I do use Windows Phone 7.x), it's games and customization.
link to blog post: http://catholictechgeek.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-i-still-have-windows-phone-65-even.html
Update: I just got a part 2 of my article online and here's the link: http://catholictechgeek.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-i-still-have-windows-phone-65-even_07.html. Feel free to check out some of the other articles I have on the site as well. If you want, you can follow me on twitter too (link to my profile is @rctechgeek).
Update (6-25-2012): After a long while, I have finally updated my article with part 3, which includes the Windows Phone 7.5 "Mango" update (with a look at what has changed and what hasn't). Here is the link to part 3: http://bit.ly/LLsS7k
Update (6-28-2012): Part 4 is now up, continuing from where part 3 left off, for your reading pleasure. The link to part 4 is: http://bit.ly/NRzQdh
Yes, and yes. Im satisfied when Mango comes, but im not unhappy now ether. I recently sold my HD2 as my goodbye to WM. Keept my BA and some other old WM devices out of nostalgia, but there in there boxes now.
ditched my winmo as soon as windows phone was released and I didn't look back
Love WP7 as an OS, miss WM for it's eye candy/customizable.
One thing I don't like about WP7 is the Metro UI. While it is clean & what ever, it's missing the eye candy & ability to customize that WM or Android has. I understand a lot of people like it, but keep in mind that is an opinion. Not a fact & in my opinion, it's kind of dull looking.
All that said, I'll never look back at WM or Android. I just love how smooth WP7 is & the games/apps.
Yes n Yes. What I am missing most is garmin GPS (I live in indonesia and garmin is the only good gps with mapping system and POI here) and ability to search contact just like pc outlook, which will be sorted next update I believe
When I migrated from WM6 to WP7, I kept my old phone charged and ready for the first few weeks, because I wasn't sure I would be able to get by without some of the features it offered. Truth be told, it's now been sitting (uncharged) in a drawer for the past 5 months, and it will soon be sold. WM has nothing on WP7 in my book.
If, for some reason, it became necessary for me to leave WP7, I still wouldn't go back to WM, I'd go with one of the other modern smartphone OSes.
Yes...and hell yes!
Since the first day I used wp7 on my old hd2 I loved it....but then Android pulled me back in cuz hd2 didn't run it perfectly. And Android since then became annoying to me. iPhone was my first smartphone, and I found my self loading my screen with colorful icons I never touched. Android is good.....BUT even with a bloody dualcore it will lag and can't touch any wp7 device in scrolling. Wp7 is only getting better, and I can't imagine how wp8 will be plus windows 8 tabs.....God bless Microsoft!
Edit: I forgeot WM lol....it was cool for the few weeks i used it.
I have been a WM user for years... and I was excited when WP7 came out. I bought the surround Nov. 18th and it has been my primary phone. I also have some android devices I use for development and if it wasn't for the Zune media player and Zune Pass, I would be using android every day. I sure hope that Mango brings everything we as a group have been waiting for... Like multitasking and video MMS and......
Otherwise I am going to get an android phone for my daily driver and wait until WP7 matures some more.
But man do I love the Zune player and pass!
Though I love WP7 there are things that tick me off. Mango will correct them of course I just wish that MS gets to it fast and we do not see the cluster bang that we saw with NoDo. the problem really is twofold. MS really needs to push this OS and educate people on it. in metro Boston there is nothing on WP7 yet tons of stuff we see for android and ios. Secondly go into say a T-MO store and ask to see a wp7 device and get told why would you want that? we have this nice new samsung android here blah blah... MS needs to really step it up and get adverts out there that shows the OS and what it can do..instead of showing a bunch of peeps falling down or dropping devices in urinals’
I just converted from Android and I will not look back I love wm phone better than the other os out there I just wish they had two apps my bank chase and navigon or Tom Tom come on get onto this os it is great .
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There are some things I can't do, or things I can't run on WP7 that I was able to run on 6.5... But WP7, pre-nodo and now with nodo was slick enough for me to make the full change and simply adapt to it... I found it that good...
Mango will simply make it much much better...
The apps I miss off ole 6.5 are TomTom and Garmin... But Turn-By-Turn is filling the gap for now...
I first tried WP7 on my HD2 and the HD2 came alive and ran quick like it always could... 6.5 hobbled it...
The simple things done on the phone each day, like checking messages and emails and such is much quicker on WP7... Zip in, do what ya gotta do, zip out... Its the OS for the serious user...
Users who want a lot of fart apps stick with haemorrhoid and igroan!
Hi everyone. I have another article up with some more reasons that I keep a Windows Mobile 6.5 device handy. Most of them have to do with bluetooth, but not all.
link: http://catholictechgeek.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-i-still-have-windows-phone-65-even_07.html
For those of us who like games, you have to admit that Microsoft would make things a lot better if they made it easier to get console emulators on Windows Phone 7, right (you can run emulators under Windows Mobile 6.5)?
Steven855 said:
For those of us who like games, you have to admit that Microsoft would make things a lot better if they made it easier to get console emulators on Windows Phone 7, right (you can run emulators under Windows Mobile 6.5)?
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er...no...
I'm curious to know how many people actually used contact transfer via bluetooth in Windows Mobile 6.5. It seems to me that was a handy feature.
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I'm curious to know how many people actually used contact transfer via bluetooth in Windows Mobile 6.5. It seems to me that was a handy feature.
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I didn't I just sent my contacts to my SIM card and copied them that way. How ever I will not be giving up my 6.5 HTC TP2. Not until MS installs a "windows" explorer allowing me to truly use my device as I see fit.
As for the apps I know people are working very hard on them and they are coming, no different than WinMo 5-6.5 when it first came out. In three years time I'm sure there will be tons of stuff we have created.
I had the touch pro, touch pro 2, and imagio so i was pretty seasoned in windows mobile. I just recently got the HTC Trophy and im satisfied with WP7. No more lag, a browser thats dependable and can play most videos while browsing and not worrying about the videos making the browser close in the background because of too much memory being used, being able to open text messages without lags and freezes and reply instantly, much better keyboard and music player
theres only a few things that somewhat piss me off tho, no file explorer, no custom ringtones (coming in mango), no usb mass storage mode, no wifi tethering at the moment, and on winmo i use to download albums single mp3's through the web browser and i was able to add those files to my library on the go without being tied down to using a computer and syncing.
but other than those gripes i love wp7 and realize its still within its first year and i dont expect it to have everything right off the bat but i love the os and willing to wait things out its going to be exciting watching this platform grow.
WP7 is ok, I like its simplicity, but I really miss the openness of WinMo.
I can't stand the absence of USB mass storage, I can't stand to be bound to Zune, I can't stand to be bound to my PC, I cannot stand the absence of file management with file explorer...
I cannot stand not to able to play quickly my DivX|AVI movie files, after a simple drag & drop.
I cannot stand the lack of decent storage (no swappable SD card, no slot for SD card, pathetic 8GB only devices...)
In September I will probably move to a high end Android device.
All my friends that used to have WinMo have now moved to Android and they all so satisfied
I realize I cannot stand locked down OS like iPhone and WP7
I thought Mango would bring some flexibility and openess... But it didn't
WM is nothing in front of WP.. if someone has both WM and WP and chooses to use WM instead of WP, he/she obviously has some kind of problem in his life..
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WM is nothing in front of WP.. if someone has both WM and WP and chooses to use WM instead of WP, he/she obviously has some kind of problem in his life..
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Or maybe, more reasonably, he just needs a flexible and open OS, without missing features.