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Hello,
Im looking to upgrade my Nexus 5 and ive been going through lots and lots of reviews, videos, pictures of many of the new phones out right now. Z5, S6, Nexus 5X.
I really like the Nexus 5X despite some of it shortcomings but one thing i REALLY have a hard time accepting is how shaky the picture is when recording video compared to iphone 6s, Sony Z5 and others.
Here is a video showing it against the Moto X pure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_zth08zFLw
The Nexus 5x i horrible Is that something we will just have to accept because it lacks OIS or is it possible to fix software wise in a camera update or using a 3rd party camera app. I must say that in its current form its unusable.
Regards
Jacob
indeed it is shaky...
haven't tried it but this one has video stabilization - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera
Maybe someone with a nexus 5x could try opencamera to record a video and post the result?
Yeah I was hoping 1080p would at least get decent software stability. It has enough pixels for it. ?
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
Does anyone know? Anyone tried opencamera?
Just my $.02. It was my understanding from the Launch event that it doesn't have image stabilization. Something about how it didn't need it with the upgraded light gathering capability of the camera.
The Moto X pure doesn't have OIS either, it's done in software
I'll just splurge for a gimbal. LOL
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
gomylle said:
Does anyone know? Anyone tried opencamera?
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Just tried it and it seems decent. Good thing is that OpenCamera properly implements the sensor orientation detection, so the preview and resulting files are correct. It has experimental support for Camera 2 API, which needs to be enabled in order to expose the EIS setting.
At high resolution (4k), there's significant lag that's recorded in the videos with the EIS enabled. Google did say the 808 couldn't handle it; maybe they weren't just blowing smoke?
At 1080p, it seems to help reduce the shakiness by a fair amount; it's no OIS replacement for sure, but I'd say better than not having anything.
Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
Evo_Shift said:
Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
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From pics I saw it does fine without OIS. But videos would have benefited. And yes they coined it as "ultra-pixels".
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
Look at this. Amazing:
http://www.frequency.com/video/nexus-5x-stabilized-4k-footage-using/244831773?cid=5-9852
Hi
Evo_Shift said:
Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
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OIS is only really of benefit for photos at shutter speeds less than 1/60th second, unless you have a zoom lens, where it is helpful at higher shutter speeds, as the more you are zoomed, the more amplified any body shake is. For smartphones with their wide angle view, camera shake is not too much of a problem for most typical situations, and any daytime scene OIS is completely pointless as the shutter speed is plenty high enough to freeze out any camera shake. The larger pixels help as the ISO can be higher without too much noise meaning a faster shutter speed can be used.
For video the situation is different as images are taken over time, so it's the movement in camera position between each picture that needs to smoothed, although the fashion these days on most documentaries and TV shows is to deliberately shake the camera around until it's a nauseating mess with whip zooms into the mix Still it's a good indicator I find for knowing the program is trash and not worth watching :victory:
OIS in smart phones helps a little with video, but the tiny lens optics and limited movement means they don't do nearly as well as a dedicated camcorder with OIS, which gives some amazing results. The link to the stablised 5X video is using a $300 device, so if anyone is that serious about their smart phone video, then for that money we might as well take a much bigger step in image quality and convenience and features and get a dedicated camcorder.
The elephant in the room with the Nexus 6P is EIS, this is the poor mans image stabilizer, yes it does help stabilize the video to a certain degree, but to do this it has to crop the image. It appears to be doing this the cheap way in software (hence needing the powerful chip), taking a 1080P video, then zooming into so it can have a window of view to pan around in, this means the resulting video has less resolution, see the clips here https://youtu.be/HV4rcFuUlUc?t=246 and compare the detail between the two, there is a drop in resolution on the 6P. Better EIS systems capture a larger image at the sensor, then would track and pan a 1920x1080 window across it so no resolution drop, but that requires more low level work with the camera hardware and dedicated chips to do a good job.
Record a 1080P video with the 5X, upload to YouTube and get it to apply stabilization and it will do the same thing, may even turn out better than the 6P EIS as it doesn't need to be done in real time so a bit more care can be taken.
Will the 6P stabilize 4K video? I somehow doubt it has the power to do that, so for 4K it's an even playing field between the two.
Regards
Phil
PhilipL said:
Hi
Record a 1080P video with the 5X, upload to YouTube and get it to apply stabilization and it will do the same thing, may even turn out better than the 6P EIS as it doesn't need to be done in real time so a bit more care can be taken.
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Hmm, aren't those phones using the much higher resolution of the sensor (at least about 4k) to stabilize the video by changing the captured frame on the sensor corresponding to the phones movement? At least i thought that's the reasoning why this works only up to 1080p (which would be preserved, in that case).
I think this could be quite useful for the next Nexus http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/09/imint-wants-to-bring-real-time-video-stabilization-to-android/
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the Samsung Galaxy S7 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I am really dissapointed here ...
4k - probably good I tried it but have no intention to use it - maybe in few years ..
1080 60fps - too much detail lost
1080 30fps - it looks like painting ... terrible - my s4 is doing nicer videos ... or even my iphone 6
720 240fps - well iphone does better
Here's a 4k video taken on my s7 on Friday night of my son racing his Sworkz s104 Evo A final
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Here's a 4k video taken on my s7 on Friday night of my son racing his Sworkz s104 Evo A final
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https://youtu.be/9gQqgtUCxZ8
Here's mine shot in 4k with post-processing added in Sony Vegas Pro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiDiSAoFMiU
Non post-processed version are also available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kiV0O7GvfU
Video from a concert this past weekend.Straight out of the camera.Shot in QHD.Given the conditions I was very impressed with the video and sound quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SZaK8hdQt0
I compared the video quality of Samsung Galaxy S7 vs Lg G3. For the same HD video on youtube, LG G3 provide crisp and colourful output, while S7 video is saturated and pixelated. I am disappointed with S7.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aldBSkz6UCo
Check this CInematic 4K Video which is filmed with the Galaxy S7
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Video from a concert this past weekend.Straight out of the camera.Shot in QHD.Given the conditions I was very impressed with the video and sound quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SZaK8hdQt0
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Video is set private!
Jairus24 said:
Here's mine shot in 4k with post-processing added in Sony Vegas Pro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiDiSAoFMiU
Non post-processed version are also available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kiV0O7GvfU
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Pretty damn good man !
Hmm.. it's funny to see that those that are disappointed do not share an example, while the enthusiastics do.
This way it's impossible to compare.
Jairus24 said:
Here's mine shot in 4k with post-processing added in Sony Vegas Pro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiDiSAoFMiU
Non post-processed version are also available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kiV0O7GvfU
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how do you add the cinematic look
I moved several weeks ago from iphone6+ to S7.
Yesterday I attended a live music show and recording on S7 were horrible (distorted) compared to previous iphone 5 and 6 experience I had.
Here are 2 from yesterday that are bad
https://youtu.be/YZG2LqMMraM
https://youtu.be/Kba-CLtZJlE
and 2 good with 5 and 6
https://youtu.be/LyrlLPP2zpE
https://youtu.be/fiJofpOj9ko
video issue
s3icc0 said:
I am really dissapointed here ...
4k - probably good I tried it but have no intention to use it - maybe in few years ..
1080 60fps - too much detail lost
1080 30fps - it looks like painting ... terrible - my s4 is doing nicer videos ... or even my iphone 6
720 240fps - well iphone does better
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My video doen't work at all, I have got phone and tablet galaxy, all the time some bugs coming up
supremeweb said:
My video doen't work at all, I have got phone and tablet galaxy, all the time some bugs coming up
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What not working?
4k at night: https://youtu.be/EW8qM1ggYB8
240fps at day: https://youtu.be/0Q5HAggaDwg
For me it is much better then lg g3 does, i never try iphone
While the sharpening look really bad in photos, Galaxy S7's video quality is superb.
Hello. Video stabilization doesn't work at all. Even if I use HD with the setting checked...
The video shakes at every step I make.
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Still sound is awful shooting concerts, iphone is superb in this feature... so annoying
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Hello. Video stabilization doesn't work at all. Even if I use HD with the setting checked...
The video shakes at every step I make.
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I read somewhere that the video stabilization option in the menu is for electronic image stabilization. Supposedly OIS is always on and doesn't react the same with EIS enabled.. Try shooting a video with that box unchecked and see if it's any better
my thoughts on S7 video recording
Over the last 2+ years, I had an S5+ (G901F). The one with SD805 and the IMX240 (same sensor powering Note 4). Recently, due to an accident which resulted in destroying my S5+, I bought an S7 (Exynos version...and quite possibly an ISOcell sensor or whatever Sammy calls it these days) I don't think I ve got the IMX260 powering my unit, so I can't make any comments regarding the hardware...
OS wise - it was 4.4.4 and 6.0.1 on my S5+ and Android N (pre-installed) on my S7.
Since I am a hardcore video shooter with my phone, I can share my impressions of the S7. In short, I was rather disappointed.
Video rec modes remain the same for both i.e. 4K, 1080p 30/60, 720p...don't care
I was expecting similar output (if not better) from my S7 compared to my S5+. But no. After triple-checking on the camera/video/photo settings, I was still recording videos where compression artifacts are clearly visible. Usually in darker areas (but not always the case) - sometimes even in areas that you d believe the camera is focusing on. I m not saying that this is a sensor issue, but rather more of a post-processing / compression issue. If I freeze the video at certain parts, I can see in a frame, compression artifacts such as the ones you d get from a highly-compressed JPEG. Which makes me wonder why didn't I see any of those whilst I was checking on the video quality produced by the S7, compared to other flagship models.
I am not sure if that quality drop between the two flagships is justified by the fact Samsung decided to move from 16MP -> 12MP, or the software i.e. Nougat vs Marshmallow (...or both). For all I know, frame quality under video recording, has significantly dropped in the S7, compared to the much older S5+. (don't know what the case was for S6, never actually tested it...) Just to clarify - this is definately not a stabilization issue (phone position is fixed whilst shooting).
The good parts - obviously - the S7 is very good under low light conditions (both video rec and photo shoting). Focus and photo shooting is amazingly fast. Two areas that it clearly smokes the S5+ as far as the camera is concerned. But that's about it really. And I d rather have the 'slower' S5+, rather than the heavily grained videos the S7 produces. Being able to shot better in the dark is always a bonus, but not so important to me. I m usually shooting [email protected] Sometimes 4K, but under good light only (due to lack of HDR whilst at 2160p). [email protected] video shooting quality seems like a 'tie' between the S7 / S5+. Both very smooth and similar amount of details preserved in the video. But yet again, I m not shooting high-speed moving objects so as to justify shooting at 60fps. But I m expecting better quality per-frame whilst at 30fps. And at 30fps, the S5+ produces better results.
Also, the video trimmer under S7/Nougat seems to lack the Rotate feature. Don't know if it was moved under the Movie Maker app (which I haven't yet downloaded). Video processing seems to be much slower now. Trimming under 4.4.4 was at least twice as fast compared to what it is now! I am really curious if trimming under more recent versions of Android actually re-compresses the output file. If that's the case, that would be discraseful to say the least...can anyone confirm this? I will at some point test this myself and post the results.
Just to clarify. I m not saying that recorded videos using the S7 are bad - I m saying that it lacks the quality per-frame of the ones shot by the S5. I very rarely recall seeing compression artifacts in videos captured by my older S5+ and that is why is pretty obvious to me now. And I can't explain it. If it's not a sensor issue, could it be that the compression ratio has been increased? If that's the case - it's a good thing - as it could be fixed in a later release. Has anyone witnessed video quality degredation from Marshmallow ->> Nougat?
Please share your thoughts.
Using A7 (2017) and thinking of upgrading to A70, but not sure technical specs wise if the Front-Selfie Camera, would be much better than A7 (2017).
The Culprit = Aperture.
A7 (2017) - 16 MP, f/1.9
A70 - 32 MP, f/2.0
Now I take loads of selfies and low aperture is very important for me. The new A70 has one stop higher aperture as compared to my 2 year old phone but yes the megapixels is big but tht hardly matters in how much light the module lets in.
So according to specs, shall I conclude the front shooter is equal or maybe slight worse than my current phone ?
Need inputs.
The difference between f1.9 and f2.0 is not very significant, the quality would depend more on the noise in the chip I'd have thought. In whole f-stop numbers, you'd need to go down from 2.0 to 1.4 to double the amount of light allowed in by the lens, f2.0 to f1.9 isn't even a third of a stop, even if these were real f-stop numbers anyway.
Andre
UPDATE: I got the chance to demo Live A70 and I was shocked with the performance.
The selfie camera takes photo as if heavy beauty mode is applied by default. The rear camera takes "Greyish" pictures and even video colors were way off.
Compared to my A7 2017 it was a clear downgrade and even the Samsung representative in the store agreed with my inputs...
So am sticking with my current phone for now and possibly will switch to Oppo Reno !!
So you took a couple of quick photos with store demo unit and decided that camera is bad? I'll rather trust reviewers who spend days with the device before giving impressions and actually provide picture and video samples and comparisons with other devices.
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So you took a couple of quick photos with store demo unit and decided that camera is bad? I'll rather trust reviewers who spend days with the device before giving impressions and actually provide picture and video samples and comparisons with other devices.
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I thought something was fishy with that demo unit... as it was on Demo mode and while taking selfies there was no option to disable beauty mode.
I again tried a demo in a local shop with consumer mode - and I am happy to inform that the pics and video all seem normal and satisfactory.
BTW, Greyish tone in pics can be widely seen in reviews too!
Camera is not great at all. It is normal as other low cost phones. Also
Bluetooth is breaking a bit with head phones.
audio for receiving calls is poor.
cannot connect to external monitor with type-c to hdmi which I feel is a basic feature.
it is high cost product.
Overall for this price, it is not a good product.
Until unless some one want new phone like me, its good to wait and check for other models.
I have just acquired a Galaxy A50 which is waiting for a new battery and, reading around, most people complain of the stock camera app. I found references to the 'footej Camera' app when looking for alternatives, has anyone experienced using this on the A50? Any suggestions would be helpfull.
My main phone is the Galaxy S8+ but the A50 is handy for use when working due to being a dual sim.
Unfortunately there's no better camera than the stock one, and there won't ever be. Since Camera2 API support is limited, no other app will take "better" photos or have additional features. At most they will be the same as good as the ones taken with the stock app.
Every GCam port has Night mode and Portrait not working. And those apps that allow you to record 4k video or 60fps, don't work well either: video lacks detail (the resolution bump has little to no effect), has no stabilization and the frame rate varies constantly with the amount of light available, almost never achieving 60 fps.
Recommendation: use the stock camera. It's not bad once you get over the idea that this phone has NOT a great camera (hardware+software processing) to begin with.
Thanks for the reply, shame about the camera quality but at least it's going to be used as a second phone.
TL;DR;
Would it be possible to insert S20FE's optical 3x zoom lens instead of this 64 MP useless gimmick so that S20 loses the high-res mode and earns proper, optical zoom of cheaper S20FE instead?
Full story:
I take many photos with my phone and I'm pretty happy with S20's main and ultrawide cameras, but the 3x hybrid "optical" (ye, 1.1x optical is indeed very big magnification) zoom is a damn joke. I was disappointed from the very first pictures from the "telephoto" camera from my S20 - they are usable only with very strong, direct sunlight. As soon as the sun goes away or the phone is indoor with moderate amount of light, this "telephoto" is just useless. Either it won't trigger at all or produces photos comparable to phones from 2014 - noisy, low detail, bad exposure.
My disappointment was even bigger when cheaper and "worse" S20FE was released. My friend purchased one immediately after its launch and we did comparisons. Some of the x3 zoom photos difference between the two is that significant that I literally feel like we were comparing phones from different decades. S20FE literally feels like it's from the far future when compared to S20. Even photos taken with direct, bright sunlight (where the 1.1 "telephoto" from S20 is only usable at) has differences - S20FE images are simply sharper, has more finest details and has literally zero noise. I won't comment photos taken indoor or after the dusk, because it's like comparing devices from different decades, really.
I hoped that if cheaper and "worse" S20FE has proper, optical zoom, S21 will have it as well, but as the full specs are leaked already - Samsung opted for a 1.1 "telephoto" 64 MP gimmick again - we still don't have a compact Samsung flagship with zoom lens.
Would it be possible to remove this useless 64 MP module and put 8 MP 3x optical lens to my S20? Or swap the whole camera module (including the regular and ultrawide cameras as well)? Would the software work with non-official hardware setup? Does anybody have experience with such experiments?
S20 with optical zoom would be really the perfect phone for me I wish I could have.