The threads about WM5 are popping up like crazy in both this forum and the upgrade forum. I suggest either moving them all to the upgrade forum or even better: A separate forum for all things BA and WM5. Any takers on that one?
I've already emailed to itsme a few days ago...no reply yet.
I agree.
Sounds like a good idea, because the issues surrounding WM5 are so significantly different than those under Wm2003.
We need a method to filter which OS people's questions and discussions are directed towards.
Sounds good because a lot of people will have tons of questions with Windows Mobile 2005, it would be great to have a forum for it so it can be more easily sorted.
I couldn't agree more. We do need a seperate WM5 forum. Himalaya already have it :roll:
Hey, moderators, don't you have anything to say for yourself?! :wink:
yup, I would like to see a wm5 forum in the BA section if a say so myself.
Good! So that means that we'll get it, right? Moderators are in charge, right?
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For the life of me I can't understand why noobs are so impatiant and stupid to put it mildly, as Jasjamming put it "they want to have their cake and eat it"
Look at me I've been member since 2005 and I'm still classed as Junior Member (noob) (personally I would class my-self as being advanced user but hey who cares) and if you look at my profile since becoming a member I've only posted 20+.The point I'm trying to make is usually I do my own research, search the forum before posting thereby I can make an informed decision weather to flash,upgrade,mod etc......
And finaly Jasjamming I totally undertand how you feel, listen take your time and chillout with your missus and by the way I may not have your current Black 2 flashed on my phone it does not mean it's not a good ROM it's just that after flashing so many version of WM6 cooked ROM for me LVSW works the best on my device so far until the next one
P.S. Moderators please please put restriction period before any noobs post in this forum coz at the end of the day XDA-Developers has reputation for being on of the best forum out there, lets not spoil it!
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For the life of me I can't understand why noobs are so impatiant and stupid to put it mildly, as Jasjamming put it "they want to have their cake and eat it"
Look at me I've been member since 2005 and I'm still classed as Junior Member (noob) (personally I would class my-self as being advanced user but hey who cares) and if you look at my profile since becoming a member I've only posted 20+.The point I'm trying to make is usually I do my own research, search the forum before posting thereby I can make an informed decision weather to flash,upgrade,mod etc......
And finaly Jasjamming I totally undertand how you feel, listen take your time and chillout with your missus and by the way I may not have your current Black 2 flashed on my phone it does not mean it's not a good ROM it's just that after flashing so many version of WM6 cooked ROM for me LVSW works the best on my device so far until the next one
P.S. Moderators please please put restriction period before any noobs post in this forum coz at the end of the day XDA-Developers has reputation for being on of the best forum out there, lets not spoil it!
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your just as a guilty as a noob, as this is a wm6 forum, techinically this should go in the general forum. can we stop with all these i hate noob threads...its almost as annoying as their quesitons.
I've joined since 2005, my account was somehow not working anymore so I've created a new one. I am not an expert but I've started using PDA since Palm Pilot Pro and all versions of WinCE, WM, Handheld PC.
This forum is by far the most helpful and resourceful on the planet regarding PPC.
Sometimes it takes long to find some simple/frustrating answers but after all it is still the best.
I hope everyone can get along with whatever thing they are troubled with! Good Luck!
Please guys stop creating new threads on n00bs and their behavior/rants/old days nostalgia. By doing this we bring unneeded clutter to the forum. There already is several threads dealing with this. Complains and rants will not help us solve the situation.
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your just as a guilty as a noob, as this is a wm6, techinically this should go in the general forum. can we stop with all these i hate noob threads...its almost as annoying as their quesitons.
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LOL How observent of you MR SENIOR I would loved say something to that but I wont as I haven't got the time or day to *****!
This is another [email protected] thread on this whole subject... there are numerous ones already... this is 1 of the reasons people are getting hostile........
There are lots of people who use black and are huge fans. For the sake of good order would it be better to have its own forums even for each release to have their own forums?
That way instead of having a single thread with 750ish posts to read, it could be ordered nicely with a seperate thread for bug posts, feature requests, compliments, etc.
omfg. Are you nuts...
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omfg. Are you nuts...
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Well said
used to hear about leaving the moderation to the moderators.. does it need to be spelled out that we ought to leave the administration to the admin/s?
..bro..if u have a suggestion..why not forward a PM to the admin/mod.. but then again, it's a free world ..my 2cents worth..
So much love in this thread...
I think it's a good idea. Actually all the production WM6 ROMs could have their own subforums. It would be a lot easier for everyone to find the information they need. Afterall, that's what subforums are for right?
Don't pay attention to the guys above this post...
They're just upset they didn't think of this simple solution first.
(No cookie for you! )
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So much love in this thread...
I think it's a good idea. Actually all the production WM6 ROMs could have their own subforums. It would be a lot easier for everyone to find the information they need. Afterall, that's what subforums are for right?
Don't pay attention to the guys above this post...
They're just upset they didn't think of this simple solution first.
(No cookie for you! )
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A: yes it might be a good idea.
b: even if you lay out a trail of bananas the dumb monkey wont find the tree.
c: im amazed at how folks post issues about roms outside of their threads.
d: there is still going to be users posting romA issues in romB forum
e: CHICKEN IN A BUCKET....
The forum would be much less cluttered if:
a. Unnecessary, irrelevant, duplicated and erroneous posts could be deleted. Happens in other forums to good effect.
b. Posts could be moved to a more appropriate thread. Again, happens in other forums.
c. Flamers would have the balls to PM noobs directly rather than seeking brown-nose points by more than doubling the noob's effect on already burgeoning threads by posting their own replies in addition to the OP's.
d. Everyone use sigs of 1 line or less. This IS a PDA / Smartphone forum!
Apart from that, I think that a more 'user friendly' dynamic Wiki-type sub forum for things like JJ's WM6 would be a good thing, with separate threads for bug reports, congrats, moans and spin-off topics.
This is just retarded, I don't see Faria on the Wizard side with his own forum, and plus what about LVSW...both also quality chefs.
All you're doin is creating more useless posts to thumb through.
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This is just retarded, I don't see Faria on the Wizard side with his own forum, and plus what about LVSW...both also quality chefs.
All you're doin is creating more useless posts to thumb through.
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You have thumbs?
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d. Everyone use sigs of 1 line or less. This IS a PDA / Smartphone forum!
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Did you even stop and look how much useful stuff is linked in peoples signatures..etc, and hey what a coincidence..its usually pda/smartphone related, plus it helps when ppl ask questions needing help, and they don't include their device info.
wow, pretty nifty huh?
And yes, I do have thumbs..they are even opposable.
Yes! it by all means should.
And in order to post in it, one has to past a test that shows they have read the wiki.
By the way - I didn't vote
I see the concern, I just don't see any effective solution.
Berd.
As of this post there are over 800 replies in the ProBlack3.0.1 post. 800. That's a lot of crap to churn through. Any more efficent form of organization is welcome imo.
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This is just retarded, I don't see Faria on the Wizard side with his own forum, and plus what about LVSW...both also quality chefs.
All you're doin is creating more useless posts to thumb through.
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That's my point exactly. All production ROMs should have their own subforums.
Also, side note... being a vBulletin admin, I know the capabilities of these forums. It wouldn't be too difficult to have the chef moderate his own subforum (or let them appoint their own moderator(s)).
I think it's funny that a very good suggestion is pissing so many people off. If you don't like the idea, just vote no... don't light your panties on fire in protest.
Keep in mind this is just a "Poll" to see what people think.
Long live JJ and Black! (and other hard working chefs and ROMs)
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Did you even stop and look how much useful stuff is linked in peoples signatures..etc, and hey what a coincidence..its usually pda/smartphone related, plus it helps when ppl ask questions needing help, and they don't include their device info.
wow, pretty nifty huh?
And yes, I do have thumbs..they are even opposable.
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Yep, all very useful info that could be shrunk down to 1 line or... hmmm.. I dunno, maybe put into the user's profile, rather than repeated ad nauseum throughout every thread?
I'm not moaning about the info, just the way its put forward. I have a sig in another forum which lists 10 items in my HTPC setup... in 1 line. It is a (IMHO) genuine point that the one forum that I use most for my PDA, is the least readable one on my PDA.
But anyhoo, anough about item d on my list. Actually, having re-read the original post, I reckon if there was a more hands-on moderation process on the forum, i.e. points a and b, then we wouldn't need a sub forum at all.
Congrats on the thumbs, BTW.
i guess you beeter start my own subforum in here as my hermes rom is coming.... ...could not resist....
in a serious note.... sub forum or not it still wont make a difference how people post etc...plus i would not be fair to others chefs.
Hey, can someone link me to the sub-sub-superduper-sub forum for the Black 3.0.8 forumz0orz? Dee tah deeee! Just when you think the threads can't be any funnier, BAM!
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i guess you beeter start my own subforum in here as my hermes rom is coming.... ...could not resist....
in a serious note.... sub forum or not it still wont make a difference how people post etc...plus i would not be fair to others chefs.
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That's a good point. What this forum needs is strict moderation. Jees, even my last couple of posts would have been binned... followed by a 'friendly' warning from the mod... on other forums.
Don't think that we need to be overly concerned about the fairness to 'other' chefs, though. I'm sure they will step up to the oche.. plate, or whatever, and do their own stuff.
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That's a good point. What this forum needs is strict moderation. Jees, even my last couple of posts would have been binned... followed by a 'friendly' warning from the mod... on other forums.
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Good point... Thread is closed, its useless and not going to happen..
Why Juno forum is not under Smartphones, this would help forum consistency?
oh yeah i just realized that.
we should totally relegate that smartphone to the lower position that it deserves!
just joking, but we should move it to the correct section
omg.... gas prices are over 4.00 /gal average in america and rising over the world ... but oh that doesnt matter lets get the smart phone away from the ppcs
there is no title above the ppcs saying PPC so technically its in the GENERAL section and not in a wrong section at all.
TBH with you. I feel all phones should have a 3 forum setup if there are custom roms for it.
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TBH with you. I feel all phones should have a 3 forum setup if there are custom roms for it.
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I agree with you (compare Excalibur or Vox forums for activity and thread count) but this goes to basic forum redefining, though I believe it would be handy that way. Nevertheless, before it is done, Juno separation stick out like a dump in the punch
I always felt that the Excalibur and the Vox should have their own sections, it would help with the congestion in those forums as well.
1st post. New here, and should be finally getting my Touch next week, after years using vintage palms phones (Kyocera 6035->i500.) looks like lots of great work done by people here (and other similar boards) and I'll try to avoid making too many noob questioning posts...
There's been some great collaborative work over on the Polaris board resulting in early .cab and Rom versions of manila 2d ported from the opal. Looks like the future for Diamond like interfaces.
The polaris is a close GSM cousin of the vogue. I know that the .cab should be usable, but any current work on developing a rom or kitchen using manila 2d?
Its already on here please do a search before you make a new thread.
yea all the big cheifs are busy working on getting it fully functional so weve have much to look forward to especialy with wat ever vetvito puts out
o and welcome to xda
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Its already on here please do a search before you make a new thread.
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, Can't count how many times I've seen people write responses like this on boards (although not usually directed my way.)
I do not believe it has any thread here in the Vogue forum. Maybe I am missing something, but I searched back quite a bit. What is wrong about asking specifically about development of this for the Vogue?
There is a huge thread in the Polaris forum (which i was referring to), but the Polaris and Vogue are not the same platform. That cab likely will work, but I do not expect a Polaris rom to work with on a vogue, although porting it should be simple enough for someone more knowledgeable than myself.
Again, I apologize if this has been covered in another thread here, but I do not want to bother someone about a vogue in the polaris forum.
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, Can't count how many times I've seen people write responses like this on boards (although not usually directed my way.)
I do not believe it has any thread here in the Vogue forum. Maybe I am missing something, but I searched back quite a bit. What is wrong about asking specifically about development of this for the Vogue?
There is a huge thread in the Polaris forum (which i was referring to), but the Polaris and Vogue are not the same platform. That cab likely will work, but I do not expect a Polaris rom to work with on a vogue, although porting it should be simple enough for someone more knowledgeable than myself.
Again, I apologize if this has been covered in another thread here, but I do not want to bother someone about a vogue in the polaris forum.
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have you tried development and hacking?
of course your not going to find it in a specific device forum...
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have you tried development and hacking?
of course your not going to find it in a specific device forum...
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Thank you. I assumed this forum (Vogue upgrading etc.) was the right place to look for a new rom for the Vogue, as I had been following along in the analogous Polaris upgrading forum. I will look at the forum you suggested.
Edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398173
This is meant to be a reminder to all of you. I ask that you pop in the Q&A section as often as possible to help answer questions by members. If we all do that, a significant % of the questions will be answered sufficiently.
Thank you
I hate to be snide, but uh, that section is useless for whats in it. Really. Its like the "General G1 forum", posts get lost in there. There are a LOT of topics in there that should NOT be in there for general, and they dont get answers (not as many) because they are in a random place. Like these for instance:
Code:
Messages will not be erased after soft reset (WM 6.1)
O2 XDA Exec Won't Power On after Unccessfull ROM Upgrade
[WM 6.5] 2 quick questions...
movie player for wm 6.5
6.5 enhancement disabled
Need help with G1
Those are on the first and second page, and they do not belong in there. They have little to no posts because they are "lost". They need to be posting in the forum dedicated to the phone they are having questions/problems with, not in a 'general' section.
Now dont take this as attacking you, no you didnt make the forum. But, for people that [if there are any] control the design, they should not have made that section, or it needs to be moderated better because those topics should not be there.
I went in there to 'help out' as per request, but I couldnt because 80% of the topics are like I mentioned above, ones about specific phones to which I cannot help with.
Not to you, but out loud: Organization is a little dissorganized around here.
My 2 cents.
I've been moderating the Q&A section for a few months now, and no one has ever told me he can't find anything. I answer about 50-70 questions there per week. there are many other people like timmymarsh, joel2009, rudegar, orb3000, deedee, denco7... and more.. who help out on a regular basis. a large % of the questions are answered. I encourage people to post questions regarding specific devices in the dedicated forum, but i'd rather have the Q&A section flooded than all device specific forums.
Most questions are more windows mobile/shell related rather than device related..\
You will also notice, that most questions regarding specific devices are related to non-HTC devices, which we don't support anyways.. so these are just a "if you get your answer.. great" threads.
just help out with what you can and it will be highly appreciated.
The whole point of the Q&A forum (IMO, team can correct me if I am wrong) is somewhere for people to ask questions that are short and simple (after searching of course). You ask, someone answers, people move on. It is organised in it's own way and leaves the device forums free for everyone else
Dave
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The whole point of the Q&A forum (IMO, team can correct me if I am wrong) is somewhere for people to ask questions that are short and simple (after searching of course). You ask, someone answers, people move on. It is organised in it's own way and leaves the device forums free for everyone else
Dave
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yup. this is exactly it.
thanks for clarifying, Dave
there is also a GUIDES thread over there which i implored people to donate to (donate=writing additional guides) but until now i got got like 1-2 guides from other members.. and the rest were written by myself.
Im sure you guys hate me because I keep going at it, though I just feel either I need to end up seeing your point(s) or you see my point. And I apologize for that. Back to what I was saying:
The whole point of the Q&A forum (IMO, team can correct me if I am wrong) is somewhere for people to ask questions that are short and simple (after searching of course). You ask, someone answers, people move on. It is organised in it's own way and leaves the device forums free for everyone else
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Though I understand what your saying Dave, I honestly still do not see the point of that forum...atleast with the random posts like I meantioned earlier. Thats how posts get lost.
This topic was created, why? Because supposedly not enough topics are getting attended to. Why is that?
A. The forum is in a random spot to begin with (I actually didnt even know it was there until this topic)
B. On every page there are quite a few "specific" type questions that unless those with the "specific" knowledge look, could only answer. (and it would seem there arent enough of them...)
Also I know if I had a bricked phone (which there are some topics in there like that), I wouldnt want non-experts to tell me how to fix my specific problem. It could make it worse. Allowing 'bricked' topics in a 'general' forum to me is like allowing a chevy owner asking how to swap an engine in a honda forum. Do you think thats smart? Thats asking for more problems. The noobs dont know its a bad idea, but allowing it says its ok.
Rename the forum to "Random Q/A for All Phones", that would make more sense.
Sorry if I seem like im nagging here. I dont intend to. I just feel a dis-oreiented forum is unneeded. Keep the specific questions for the specific forums, thats why they are there (not to keep them free ).
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As for the guides:
The windows mobile sticky just seems to not fit again. The rest (including the one by you nir (very good btw), all fit. What should be done is this: Make a new category called Phone Operating Systems, and put Windows Mobile in there, then put that random sticky in there. That seems to be what is missing, is an operating category. WM/CE, Android, Symbian, Blackberry OS, Nokia OS, and (probably not necessary at all but is one) iPhone OS [yuk].
That would make things a bit more organized as well.
I laugh, you guys always say search. Why is that? Because things are hard to find sometimes because people dont search. Never 'rely' on people to search, its the worst staff can do. I know this. You have to make it the EASIEST to navigate as possible, because people are lazy to search. Oranizing=less clutter=less work for you guys. All works out for the best.
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This topic was created, why? Because supposedly not enough topics are getting attended to. Why is that?
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It's not because there was a massive amount of unanswered questions... (We're not a support desk, we don't have targets ). It's because there was not a place for new users, with less knowledge than most, to post quick questions. People on the site needed general device question and answers (not device specific). These were mostly asked in the D&H forum which became very cluttered with random questions, flame replies. D&H is too popular to support quick questions, so Q&A was a way to tidy it. You're quite right when you say you would not want someone helping you unbrick your device who doesn't know it, and I wouldn't expect someone to post in Q&A if they did (I maintain the Kaiser Unbricking thread BTW ). The Forum caption on the Index says: "This forum is for all questions, big or small, you might have. Please read the rules in this forum before asking.". The Q&A rules are here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441333
I think it is good for the lesser experienced users to ask questions about apps / settings, and in time, searching Q&A will yield some good answers to questions.
Hope this clears things up a bit
Dave
EDIT: Off to bed it's 1am, I'll try and answer anything else tomorrow
i agree
i can see the point of the forum, it helps us to help them it directs the quesiotns away from other forums that are not for questions
and its beeen running for a fair while and ive helped (ill forgive you for forgetting me nir) and people appreciate the help they get
and as for having non experts fix bricked devices
if youve bricked it then youve been doing something you shouldnt have been doing (from a legal stance) so giving it to the experts would be foolish as i know for a fact the can charge extra for doing flashes
FYI ive read and asked questions and ive never bricked a device once EVER
im not saying i never will, but if i do ill blame myslef as ill have not followed directions
You're right. i apologize for forgetting. there are probably a few others whom i've forgotten as well.
i was only kidding ive not been there as much as i used to lately then i decided to learn how to cook