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do not jump onme for this question....
DOES SPV M3100 with WM6.0 on it have HSDPA... because in the normal specification of the phone this is not specified...
i know there are a lot of threads saying something about the H icon... but no one answered if that is just an icon or really HSDPA enabled ROM
ccezar2004 said:
do not jump onme for this question....
DOES SPV M3100 with WM6.0 on it have HSDPA... because in the normal specification of the phone this is not specified...
i know there are a lot of threads saying something about the H icon... but no one answered if that is just an icon or really HSDPA enabled ROM
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The device is capable of it. However, whether or not you can see/use it depends on your carrier, availability in your coverage area and your SIM card.
Also most of the WM6 roms that I have tried have a performance app that allows you to enable/disable HSDPA.
i am asking this because in my area there are plans to "release" the HSDPA option... now if i connect to internet the 3g icon changes to H... as I read it is a normal behavior for HSDPA to be activated only when neded.... but i made a speed test... and all i could get was 145kb per sec... there are 2 possibilities... either it is only the icon of HSDPA and no real HSDPA capabilities, either, being in the test period, the speed isn't up to the full capabilities... i just don't know... the day i have noticed the H icon was the day i read the article about the intention to release the HSDPA in a few months... and also the day i (again) changed my rom from black 3.0.1. to dutty v2 (BT car kit issues)....
ok... did again a speed test on http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and the speed was between 300 and 340kb per sec... with a 600k file... so far from HSDPA... but.. still... i had H icon on my connection type....
You can also check the preconfig file in your /windows to see if hsdpa is enabled. Check the wiki, and theres also a thread on it somewhere. I would post the link but im at work w/ no time to search. good luck!
Hey check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305872
and note my post in it... but it does sound like you got HSDPA, the 600k is too small a sample to give a proper average.
ok... i read that also... another question... is it possible that my phone shows HSDPA connection although this is not available? 'cause i made another test with a 1MB package and this time i got 350kb per sec... so no real HSDPA... although the connection stated so...
ok... starting 25th of june my operator says that will "give tot the people" the new 3G+ with a transfer rate of 3,6Mb/sec... i think this is HSDPA?... right?...
as I said before my spv m3100 with wm6 showed me H icon and HSDPA connection active (in the connection buble) but no speed over 350Kb/s... the reason i think i got HSDPA connection is that of the test that i think the operator made before the big launch... but still... no HSDPA speed... i hope that i will get bigger speeds after the 25th of june....
H=HSDPA. Your carrier supports it....
however:
actual speed is affected by a number of issues. For example, a big one can be the speed of the data pipe connected to the cell towers.
What I'm saying here is this: Actual speed is based on the total bandwidth your carrier provides from your hermes all the way to their Internet connection. Just because the pipe to your hermes from the cell tower is 3mb/s dosen't mean your internet browsing speed will be that.
ccezar2004. you can try with Connex if it happened to go in Europe, I just retuned from Bucharest and 3.5G worked perfect with dual SIM, 450-500 kbps over UMTS 2.1 GHz spectrum
ccezar2004 said:
ok... starting 25th of june my operator says that will "give tot the people" the new 3G+ with a transfer rate of 3,6Mb/sec... i think this is HSDPA?... right?...
as I said before my spv m3100 with wm6 showed me H icon and HSDPA connection active (in the connection buble) but no speed over 350Kb/s... the reason i think i got HSDPA connection is that of the test that i think the operator made before the big launch... but still... no HSDPA speed... i hope that i will get bigger speeds after the 25th of june....
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I don't know your location but I would be amazed if you get more than about 1mb/s.
You are probably getting the H when the cell acknowledges that it has HSDPA - but the switches between the cell and the main network probably arent upgraded yet.
HSDPA is getting faster all the time though - in the UK we currently have about 1.2mb/s and expect 3mb/s by next year and maybe even 10mb/s in three years.
I'm only mentioning this as a 'just in case;'
If you're using PIE+ when doing your speed tests, disable PWO and then try it again.
yapp I've done the test when I visited my folks in Bucharest, H icon was there and both UL and DL were preety decent. Unfortunately we don't have yet UMTS in Canada, so all we can do is to wait
@ccezar:
im living in bucharest and hsdpa is working in some areas quite good, i got speeds of 800 kbps, which definitely is more than regular 3g. it all depends on the location, so i guess its no tytn fault, or whatever version of hermes you may have...
Iunutz6, Connex-Vod(k)afone is advertising 3.5G as so far I got from inside, they will incerease the speed to 7.2 Mbps. Just curious what would be UL and DL with a TYTN and with a normal PCMCIA 3G card, if are any differences, in Canada we won't have UMTS untill the end of the year
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Iunutz6, Connex-Vod(k)afone is advertising 3.5G as so far I got from inside, they will incerease the speed to 7.2 Mbps. Just curious what would be UL and DL with a TYTN and with a normal PCMCIA 3G card, if are any differences, in Canada we won't have UMTS untill the end of the year
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as far as i know, they are in tests and about to release the 1.3Mbps speed very soon, if not released already. as for the 7.2 Mbps, i havent heard anything, but i can check, i got connections inside.. maybe that means already 4g (WiMax), which is... long far away from here...
as for the differencies between 3g card and 3g capable phone, there should be no difference, as long as you can cponvince your tytn to act as a modem for your laptop, for example (internet sharing)..
is this what u asked me?
ok... I haven't read this for a long time... so... I have the M3100 with WM6 and HSDPA enabled.... stil the speed is regular 3G... 350-360kb/s... I don't know...
so... good news...
in the morning I have done the test on I don't know what site and it showed no HSDPA... now... dslreports.com is up again.... speed test... 1016kb/s... this is real mobile life
so... I HAVE HSDPA!!!
Is there any rom or program can make the internet speed on HTC DIMOND 7.2mb instead of 3.6mb?
Thanks very much.
you need a service provider that will provide 7.2mbps in your area (not many provide that atm in UK, but i know orange are expanding it up to 7.2 over the next year) either vodaphone uk or t-mobile uk do it, google it as it depends on your areas coverage.
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you need a service provider that will provide 7.2mbps in your area (not many provide that atm in UK, but i know orange are expanding it up to 7.2 over the next year) either vodaphone uk or t-mobile uk do it, google it as it depends on your areas coverage.
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vodafone is already 7.2mbps and three are gonna do it before christmas if they cant they are definattely gonna do it on the first quarter of 2009
Unfortunately, saying that the diamond(or any device using the 3G network) is capable of 7.2mbps is not really correct. Sure, the device itself is very much capable of receiving data at these speeds but the latency in the network itself will never provide that speed, unless perhaps you're sitting three feet from a transmitter...
Basically, even though you're paying for "7.2mbps" you'll never see those speeds in real life...
Oh, and I don't really think that this question belongs in the "Diamond ROM development" section.
7.2 long long way away dude. i have tried vodafone 7.2 from many different locations and using a 7.2 mbps modem the best i have achived is maybe 3mbps but not a solid speed, avrage speed is about 1-2mbps, so 7.2bmps true speed will be achived when, the networks advertise 48Mbps lol.
anyway you dont need that speed on the phone, 1mb is enough mos of the times,
unless you want to stream HD media..
Guys...7.2 is obviously a "dream" for me...considering I'm still with the "E" = Edge under my local ISP DIGI MALAYSIA! Argh!!
and sometimes i can't get 90% of the EDGE speed too
Can i just add to this... MOST servers do not upload more than 1mb/sec.. so how do you expect to download @7.2mb... Not possible, until servers start to upload at those speed you are not going to be able to download @7.2......do you believe mobiles would be fast than a fixed line... Yrs from that happening I'm afraid...!
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Can i just add to this... MOST servers do not upload more than 1mb/sec.. so how do you expect to download @7.2mb... Not possible, until servers start to upload at those speed you are not going to be able to download @7.2......do you believe mobiles would be fast than a fixed line... Yrs from that happening I'm afraid...!
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mine is comparable with my broadband actually. obviously the rendering on my firefox is faster but the phone is not that far behind on less demanding web pages
I here provide the Tips & free software site http://www.vclcomponents.com/s/0__/need_for_speed_undercover_htc_diamond for increase the Internet speed of the HTC..Then check the speed of the Internet using the site http://www.ip-details.com/internet-speed-test/ in the Mobile Browser.
The only way you'll ever get 7.2mps is by sitting on the mast, at 3am with no one trying to use a mobile in the surrounding 25 mile radius.
Oh, and 3 are not going to have 7.2 before christmas. We've had them in at work today and they're having to talk nicely with T-Mobile so they can improve their network coverage. They have 3.6mps, quote 2.8mps as an average but they want to get away from "HSDPA" as they know it'll never work properly on their network.
... They did however quote by 2010, they should have 14.4mbps
... Now thats a pipe dream...
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The only way you'll ever get 7.2mps is by sitting on the mast, at 3am with no one trying to use a mobile in the surrounding 25 mile radius.
Oh, and 3 are not going to have 7.2 before christmas. We've had them in at work today and they're having to talk nicely with T-Mobile so they can improve their network coverage. They have 3.6mps, quote 2.8mps as an average but they want to get away from "HSDPA" as they know it'll never work properly on their network.
... They did however quote by 2010, they should have 14.4mbps
... Now thats a pipe dream...
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hi,
In Denmark, they already started with the 16 Mbit on 3 network, but as we all know, it is not practical. it is just teoritical.
lomo2002 said:
hi,
In Denmark, they already started with the 16 Mbit on 3 network, but as we all know, it is not practical. it is just teoritical.
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You guys on the continent get the best... Higher speed home bband connections, the UK average being <8mps, there's more money pumped into the development of the mobile networks including city-wide WiFi and we just get screwed.
3 claimed today in their presentation to have 14.4mps under testing inside certain cells in the UK, but didn't seemingly know where. That coupled with the Virgin Media testing of their 200mps connection, well... Will wait to see...
The only "decent" connection in the UK (personal experience) is T-Mobile as their parent company have pumped the most money into cell development but still its completely lacking. Look at the current Orange & T-Mobile merger that's on / off... 3 in the UK have so little 3G coverage they have had to make a deal with T-Mobile so they can use their backbone and masts for transmitting their signal, else they're never going to get anywhere with signal coverage.
But either way, the lack of cells in the UK coupled with a poor backbone simply means that speeds are too unstable in the UK to ever get the full 7.2mps stable.
Actually the all the tier one UK networks (Vodafone, O2, Orange, T-Mobile) support 7.2 in various locations around the country - the issue we will always have is contention.
The certainly won't admit it but only the first 6 or 7 connections to a mast have any chance of reaching 7.2 - after that it drops off dramatically. When you get up to 30 then your down to GPRS speeds. As someone pointed out, the only way to reach anywhere close to the potential 7.2 is to sit under a mast a 3AM and hope that no one else in the vicinity is online too.
T-Mobile, Orange and 3 will always win out when it comes to contention as they run on an 1800 MHZ network as they came late to the game in the UK. 1800 has a shorter range and therefore T-Mobile put up many more masts to compensate - 3 for every one mast that Vodafone put up on the older 900MHZ network. The Vodafone network will punch out much further from the mast which works better in more isolated areas but in urban or densely populated areas, T-Mobile's 3 masts to Vodafone or O2's 1 mast will always give a better experience.
At the end of the day its swings and roundabouts and experiences are so localised that its not worth swapping networks to improve speed unless you intend to stay always in the same location and never go out the front door.
I've been using mobile data on all four networks all over the UK over the last few years and the only thing I can guarantee is that Orange (which has stupidly been my sole personal network provider for over 15 years) will always be the worst of the lot!!!
Their data network is honestly shocking and with all the outages I've experienced this year I would say that the network is really struggling - actually I think most of them are going that way - and it will be a relief if they do actually join forces with T-Mobile.
Anyway this rant has been building up for some time - anyone else experienced the networks performance getting worse this year particularly?
I blame all the new iPhone users myself!!! LOL
Alasio said:
... 3 in the UK have so little 3G coverage they have had to make a deal with T-Mobile so they can use their backbone and masts for transmitting their signal, else they're never going to get anywhere with signal coverage.
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Actually it was announced recently that 3 have the most comprehensive data coverage in the UK at the moment!
Yeah sorry, you'll probably never see 7.2Mb, just like you never get full internet speed it's always 'up to xxMb'
If you live near a mast then yeah signal should be good but probably 5-6Mb at most you would get. (If)
You can follow the tips in the site tips to speed up 7.2mb interent for increasing the speed of the Internet then you can check the Speed in the site http://www.ip-details.com/internet-speed-test/Internet Speed Testyou will know the Difference.
Your tips are useful...
Hi All
I was never a t-mobile fan but they offerd me a deal was not bad, 35 pm 18 mnth desire free and unlimited internet , but the internet under web n walk is is very slow , after 4 phone call to t mob , looking at my account checked all the settings i cant get over 360kbs on HSDPA , which is stupidly slow and i it seems that i have to pay for a booster to get my speed up.
As per tru call centre experiance I get different reasons every time i cal,l 1 person said that ur data setting are not right our end, the other said that i have fixed it , another said " nah sorry that ur speed ".
Has any 1 else experianced this or can i change anything on my phone to enable HSDPA " I get the H sign" as it feels like 3g speed.
the great wizard said:
Hi All
I was never a t-mobile fan but they offerd me a deal was not bad, 35 pm 18 mnth desire free and unlimited internet , but the internet under web n walk is is very slow , after 4 phone call to t mob , looking at my account checked all the settings i cant get over 360kbs on HSDPA , which is stupidly slow and i it seems that i have to pay for a booster to get my speed up.
As per tru call centre experiance I get different reasons every time i cal,l 1 person said that ur data setting are not right our end, the other said that i have fixed it , another said " nah sorry that ur speed ".
Has any 1 else experianced this or can i change anything on my phone to enable HSDPA " I get the H sign" as it feels like 3g speed.
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Since T-Mobile adopted their "Unlimited internet" plans for Android etc contracts, they have reduced their speeds. I spoke with one of their technical support teams who confirmed it.
If you pay extra and get Web n Walk Max (usually only available on business tarrifs now) you will get full speed.
Its poo! Me and my brother had the same issue
i got around 900 at one point on 3g, recently only been getting around 500 though. On t-mobile 35 month plan too.
I get about 500kbps on H. This is quick enough for me for a mobile device! Pages load up very quickly. I can understand the need to ration the bandwidth on a cellular service, especially when the tariffs are so cheap (I pay £10 a month for unlimited internet, 100 mins, unlimited landlines).
Ok, I had the same problem..data capped at 356K.
I phoned T-Mobile and found they had the wrong phone registered to my account. they had a Nokia something not the desire.
As soon as the lady the other end change it to the correct phone (apparently thier system works this way) I got full HSDPA speeds - well 2.8M but better than before.
Seems that the shop i got the phone from (Movbilephonesdirect) just register any old phone to your SIM.
just done a test. getting 1.78mbps down and 0.38 up on H. still on original g1 android plan as only upgraded phone.
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jonnobright said:
Ok, I had the same problem..data capped at 356K.
I phoned T-Mobile and found they had the wrong phone registered to my account. they had a Nokia something not the desire.
As soon as the lady the other end change it to the correct phone (apparently thier system works this way) I got full HSDPA speeds - well 2.8M but better than before.
Seems that the shop i got the phone from (Movbilephonesdirect) just register any old phone to your SIM.
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Had same problem - t-mobile could not get full speed even after changing phone on system, Canceled t-mobile contract due to could not get more than 360kbps.
i will begetting on vodafone now.
I had this problem, they told me to take it to the T-Mobile store to check it.
So I go 5 minutes down the road, albeit "Truley" in the city centre.
Do a speedcheck at the store and I'm getting 1.8mb
It seems their internet coverage is very hit and miss (either that or because I'm usually doing my speedchecks indoors )
I'm getting two different reading! In my area I can pick up full bar with HSDPA. Using speedtest app, I only get 360Kbps on HSDPA max. but when I go the browser and check speedtest in www.mobilespeedtest.com I get on average 2686Kbps using 1MB test. who is right?
I called up t-mobile before I done the test on www.mobilespreedtest.com. to complain about getting 360kbps, they done all the routing checked:which are checking my htc desire is register to my sim card, my present area postcard can pick up 3G&HSPDA, switching it to GMS only, than WCDMA only, take out the battery, and sim card, rebooting it etc but no luck after I test the speed again in speedtest app. at the end all they can say was the phone is new and they don't have the configuration setting on their system to assist me at this present time!
can someone else test their speed at www.mobilespeedtest.com pls, and compare it to speedtest app if you have that installed.
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I'm getting two different reading! In my area I can pick up full bar with HSDPA. Using speedtest app, I only get 360Kbps on HSDPA max. but when I go the browser and check speedtest in www.mobilespeedtest.com I get on average 2686Kbps using 1MB test. who is right?
I called up t-mobile before I done the test on www.mobilespreedtest.com. to complain about getting 360kbps, they done all the routing checked:which are checking my htc desire is register to my sim card, my present area postcard can pick up 3G&HSPDA, switching it to GMS only, than WCDMA only, take out the battery, and sim card, rebooting it etc but no luck after I test the speed again in speedtest app. at the end all they can say was the phone is new and they don't have the configuration setting on their system to assist me at this present time!
can someone else test their speed at www.mobilespeedtest.com pls.
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I am on t-moile based in manchester and this is my speed test on a 2mb file with H connection
ragmanchu said:
this is my speed test on a 2mb file with H connection
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do you have speedtest app intalled? to compare reading.
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do you have speedtest app intalled? to compare reading.
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1.85Mbps with speedtest.net app
For all people on T-Mobile receiving speeds of around 360kbps on HSDPA connections:
You need to dial 150, select technical support. Tell the operator that you are only receiving 3g speeds of around 360Kbps in HSDPA location. You must advise the operator that you have done speed tests that reflect this.
They should then upgrade your account to receive HSDPA speeds.
The reason you only get 360Kbps is because you are on Web 'N' Walk which is a handset only broadband service.
T-Mobile are generally more than happy to upgrade the account to receive the higher speeds. Just make sure you speak to technical support and not customer services as they will not have a clue about this.
mine on Mobile speed test says 889kbps
Did the 1mb test and it says 2740kbps which was top of the charts!
Ramedge said:
For all people on T-Mobile receiving speeds of around 360kbps on HSDPA connections:
You need to dial 150, select technical support. Tell the operator that you are only receiving 3g speeds of around 360Kbps in HSDPA location. You must advise the operator that you have done speed tests that reflect this.
They should then upgrade your account to receive HSDPA speeds.
The reason you only get 360Kbps is because you are on Web 'N' Walk which is a handset only broadband service.
T-Mobile are generally more than happy to upgrade the account to receive the higher speeds. Just make sure you speak to technical support and not customer services as they will not have a clue about this.
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Agree with this 100%. I had this problem a few years ago. Customer Servicves DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HSDPA is. Ask for technical support, do not let them fob you off. The whole point of 'H' is that you are getting speeds of 360kps+, not 360kbps max.
Just done test I'm getting 3200kbps, full signal on H.
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pls, and compare it to speedtest app if you have that installed.
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Im getting 3g speeds on HSPDA using speedtest.
Using your site, im getting speeds in EXCESS of HSPDA speeds.
Therefore I can only assume theres something wrong with your site.
Fon22 (tmobile)
i got my phone from an HTC retailer in Tottenham Court Road (London) and put my old HTC Touch Diamond 2 t-mobile sim card in it that i got from Mobilephonesdirect.
I've not done anything special on my phone or even told t-mobile and I live in a crappy town called Aldershot in the middle of the sticks but my results were
Your speed: 2657.807 Kbps
Your latency: 0.3 seconds
Transferred 1000 KB in 3.01 seconds
which isn't too bad i guess
Mobilespeedtest.com seems inaccurate. It's giving me very fast scores and I'm in a basement. I can hardley make phone calls yet I'm getting readings of 2000+ Kbps. Speedtest.net is giving a more realistic 1,300 Kbps
Web'n'walk settings
Hi guys,
totally new here and to Mobile Internet. Could someone please let me know of the settings for web'n'walk on the HTC Desire?
I tried the t-mobile.co.uk but is currently down. Also sent a text to have settings automatically sent to my phone, but response said 'Device not supported'.
I have a sim-free phone with a t-mobile solo (pay monthly) plan. Do I need to somehow activate web'n'walk? I tried some stuff* on my phone, but no luck.
Is there an icon that should appear on top of my sceen when I've got 3G coverage?
Any help appreciated!
Cheers,
Stefanos
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Hi,
I am about to visit New York and was wondering whether I can use my VF Touch Pro 2. It is unlocked for international use. However I am not totaly sure that its frequency is right for the US. Perhaps it can be used over GPRS and not 3G?
Also the prices are pretty hefty... £1.35 per minute and £3/MB for first 5MB and then £15 per 5MB.
Some good advice on the above would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sam
Vodafone TP2
In US, you will roam on the AT&T network and the 3G frequencies are 850/1900. Your phone has 900/1800/2100 3g frequencies, so no, it will not see 3G speeds. You can, however, expect to get EDGE service, but that will be prox 100KBS speeds, so double dial up speeds, but much slower than 3G. OK for email, but web is dog slow. NY has poor 3G service, in general, due to heavy users and lot's of people.
If you need data, better to find wifi hotspot and use that.
Welcome to America, and the incompatible world of roaming with 3G.
MWS
Thanks for this... Useful
Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
So my options are:
1) GPRS/EDGE with email used sparingly
2) TP2 with Wifi
Also I guess I cannot purchase a local SIM since my phone is a VF. Having said that I am not sure that VF have locked it. So perhaps purchasing a local PAYG SIM may be a cheap option????..... or go on hols properly and stay away from the mobi
Thanks,
Sam
Thanks all.
Returned from US. All worked fine, now waiting for my bill! No 3G though of course.
Sam
Hi - I'm looking for some good answers - I think I know the basics...
After much shopping, I bought 2 of these...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170623785892&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
(HTC Touch Pro 2 s - the wife likes for our phones to match so I can teach, set up, etc...)
I think they are called T7373 SEA's South East Asia Versions, and I flashed to 2.07.707/4.49.25.91 radio just fine to get current at WM6.5. (I like factory ROM's - the books work, etc - despite my appreciation for the effort to cook.)
Now - I'm currently ATT, and when they go to Data Plan me, I'm going to T-Mobile prepaid.
So - I get to looking at 3g frequencies - of course!
The book for the device says 900/2100 HSPA/WCDMA.
The sellers' ad says
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 or HSDPA 1700 / 2100
(It's not really clear what the 'or' means)
Now, I'm not *****ing at the seller, I want to really understand, and they knew I was US and they asked ATT or Tmobile.
Would they like have reached into one of three bins, to sell me one of three truly different hardware phones - OR - picked a phone up and flashed it (Radio or full ROM) to my provider, or did they just configure the existing system so it picked Tmobile and its freqs for instance? (When the phone boots, it asks T-Mobile or 2 other Asian-sounding systems) How else could the phones do as advertised? (9/21, 8.5/19, or 17/21)
If the frequencies are not a settings, but a ROM/Radio issue, can I load the 'other US guys' flash and have it work?
If not, does anyone know what really is changed in the hardwares (I imagine the antennas' length might vary by X%, but then here that's % of mms.)
Thanks - great answers and experience really appreciated!!
The device in the picture of the ad is a European unbranded model (RHOD100). It's 3G frequencies are on the 2100MHz band. If they sent you the one pictures, you will not get 3G with any US provider. AT&T uses 850MHz and 1900MHz for their 3G service, while T-Mobile uses 1700/2100MHz. 3G radios are hardware dependent, not software dependent. This means that you must purchase the device that contains the radio for the 3G service you wish to use. They will work on 2G networks anywhere in the world. 3G is really the only difference between carriers.
The AT&T device is the RHOD300 model, also known as the Tilt 2. The T-Mobile version is the RHOD210.
The short answer is that if they send you the exact device in the picture from the ad, you will only be able to get 3G in some parts of Asia and Europe.
The description on the eBay listing is just cut and paste from somewhere (like HTC's website), so that is why it says "or" for the 3G bands. One is for the Euro model, the other is for the Asia model. Either way, neither have the correct bands to give you 3G on AT&T or T-Mobile. And as cajun mentioned, bands are hardware dependent, and there is no way to change it.
If you want 3G on AT&T, you need to buy the AT&T branded Tilt2. But since they will be able to read the IMEI number of the phone (since its ATT branded), they will probably add a smartphone data plan very quickly. So its probably not even worth getting a Tilt2, if you don't want a smartphone data plan. If you want 3G on T-Mobile, you need to buy a T-Mobile branded TP2.
Bottom line, if the phones you bought are unbranded, then they don't have the correct hardware to get 3G on either AT&T or T-Mob.
THX
Hey guys(?) thanks, I think I understand.
So - basically the ad HAS to be a lie, at least for 3G.
So I'm still wondering... What does HTC actually change in the phones - a crystal (I doubt this in modern times), a chip, a pack, an antenna length? There is a small area in the phone that looks 'potted' we used to call it.
They are way too pretty, and way too functional 'as is' to mess with (so I'm not gonna go module or whatever shopping), and we are pretty much 'emergency only' web people (for maps, pizza places, etc) and 2G will be fast enough. The value of a keyboard for texting, the Windows interoperability, and no damn contract is good enough.
We are deciding which ROM level we want before we try ATT to see if they know the numbers... T-Mobile prepaid is the backup plan.
THX
tshephard said:
Hey guys(?) thanks, I think I understand.
So - basically the ad HAS to be a lie, at least for 3G.
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A lie in that it looks like a lazy cut and paste, with either no proof-reading to catch the error, or a seller that does not fully understand what he is selling. They are a high volume seller, and also just used stock photos (not photos of the actual item), so its just a rushed auction posting. I don't think it was an intentional lie meant to mislead you. But if you want to dispute the sale, I think you have very good grounds, since the information in the auction is incorrect, and its actually impossible to tell what exact model (Euro or Asian) they are selling from the description.
AT&T most likely won't be able to correlate the IMEI with the right phone brand/model. But I've seen cases where they think its a smartphone, but the wrong one, and try to add a smartphone plan. I read a post where a guy was using a Nexus One, and their system was reading it as a Blackberry. I think he just told them it was an unlocked dumbphone, and they removed the smartphone plan.
Please Correct me if I'm wrong...
presently I'm using Sprint Touch Pro 2, and I have read on the internet that it is possible to work with AT&T or T-Mobile (which uses different technology other than Sprint's CDMA) after proper unlocking. Is it possible?
Regards.
chris8989 said:
presently I'm using Sprint Touch Pro 2, and I have read on the internet that it is possible to work with AT&T or T-Mobile (which uses different technology other than Sprint's CDMA) after proper unlocking. Is it possible?
Regards.
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Yes, but you will not be able to use any other network's 3G service. The best you will get is EDGE on another network.
To follow up...
ATT stuck me on $25 Smartphone within 24 hours. (We went to $15 later, and they dropped us to a $10 cheaper talk plan.) For this particular set of phones, apparently the first 8 or so digits of the IMEI is phone type (which they clearly knew from Tilt 2's) and the rest is item serial number. Couldn't argue there...
Speeds, freqs... I don't get a clear definition of G's anywhere, but I show a H before I long on, and another H with bars as I use data. I have used cellular data at up to 1.1mbs per speed sites - I don't know if that's over E, or G, or H but it seems pretty fast to me. All that's on ATT, when I went to the T-Mobile store and tried their card, the best I got was 200kbs on about 5 tries.
Love the phones, added HTC task manager pulldown, and 1.6 VC from here - THX
tshephard said:
To follow up...
ATT stuck me on $25 Smartphone within 24 hours. (We went to $15 later, and they dropped us to a $10 cheaper talk plan.) For this particular set of phones, apparently the first 8 or so digits of the IMEI is phone type (which they clearly knew from Tilt 2's) and the rest is item serial number. Couldn't argue there...
Speeds, freqs... I don't get a clear definition of G's anywhere, but I show a H before I long on, and another H with bars as I use data. I have used cellular data at up to 1.1mbs per speed sites - I don't know if that's over E, or G, or H but it seems pretty fast to me. All that's on ATT, when I went to the T-Mobile store and tried their card, the best I got was 200kbs on about 5 tries.
Love the phones, added HTC task manager pulldown, and 1.6 VC from here - THX
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G stands for GPRS, and it is a 2G service. It stands for General Packet Radio Service. It is the slowest data service you can get with speeds normally under 50Kbps. It is occasionally known as 2.5G service.
E stands for EDGE. It stands for Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution. It was a revision to the 2G service implementation and features speeds from about 100Kbps to 250Kbps depending on location, service provider, and signal. It is occasionally referred to as a pre-3G technology. It fits in the ITU's definition of 3G, but few people refer to it as such. It is normally marketed as 2.9G.
UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System) was a revision to the voice service, and did not address much data-wise. This was the first widespread usage of the term and use of 3G. It is normally the service that your device is using when it shows the 3G icon. 3G speeds are normally 350Kbps - 500Kbps.
H stands for HSPA. It stands for High Speed Packet Access. It is one step higher than what is commonly known as 3G.It is also known as 3.5G. It features speeds closer to 1.5Mbps. HSPA is normally grouped in with 3G service when it is being discussed.
As for your test with T-Mobile, that wasn't really a fair comparison since you can't get 3G speeds on a Tilt2 on T-Mobile's network. You can only ever get EDGE service. Therefore, you were comparing AT&T's 3G service to T-Mobile's EDGE service. This is like trying to race a Mustang with a Moped. If you get the Rhod210 model, you will get the faster connection with T-Mobile. There isn't much to compare between AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T 3G speeds are slower than T-Mobile. The services are also much cheaper on T-Mobile.
THX for reply, I generally understood all the abbreviations, but like you said - the marketing hype really seems to very from the technology.
If I saw, regularly, over 1 mbs and the H bars to the right of the H block, do ya' think I was H/HSPA over 8.5/9/19/21 freqs?
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THX for reply, I generally understood all the abbreviations, but like you said - the marketing hype really seems to very from the technology.
If I saw, regularly, over 1 mbs and the H bars to the right of the H block, do ya' think I was H/HSPA over 8.5/9/19/21 freqs?
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On AT&T it would be HSPA on the 850MHz and/or 1900MHz frequencies. T-Mobile uses 1700MHz for HSDPA and 2100MHz for HSUPA. The frequencies for 2G services are all the same for everyone. This is why you will get up to EDGE service with any GSM carrier, but never 3G service unless you buy a device that explicitly supports that carrier's 3G service.