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Unlocked TELUS PRO2 does not work on FIDO 3G network?

I bought HTC PRO2 (RHOD500) from Telus. I just noticed that it does not work on fido 3G network. GSM is fine.
If the Hard-SPL for world phone is released, can I use 3G fido network at that time?
Thanks

You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.

leanne said:
You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.
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I knew that, and my phone has been unlocked. I can make phone call without any problem.
However, I can not use it with fido 3G network.
It does not work at all

Hey,
I don’t think its the phone . I have seen this issue many times in the past All your data settings are still set up for TELUS and the CDMA network, It’s not as simple as just unlocking the SIM card to get the data to work you have to go in an re-program the phone. I would suggest finding the Data setting on a Windows mobile device Fido has and just copying those into you Touch Pro 2. (you will most likely need to do this by hand)
Can’t promise it will work as I know some Carriers have certain fields added and removed to fit their needs which messes up the phone when you unlock it to use on other networks.

Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?

I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).

Rick#2 said:
I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).
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This isn't extremely helpful, but
http://web.archive.org/web/20071025232258/www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7600_chipset.pdf
according to that (if I'm reading right) there has to be at least 1 other UMTS band, no configuration is ONLY 2100MHz (the chipset that does only that doesnt do the 1900MHz PCS band for CDMA). But really, I'm pretty much guessing.

Hi I am using the unlocked Telus version on Fido. It's true that you can't use 3G because the phone does not support the required bands. But I still use EDGE. It's slower but better than nothing. Create a new connection and name it Fido. APN is : internet.fido.ca
Username: fido
PW: fido
Hope this helps.

https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!

wraith79 said:
https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!
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I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/

Axeslocked said:
Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?
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Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!

labbbby said:
Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!
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lol.. I second that

UMTS Bands
labbbby said:
I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/
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I have been following this debate on multiple forums.
Based on some information from RileyFreeman, I do think Telus will enable the TouchPro2 for new HSPA network.
Granted, today, you can unlock and use on Rogers, Fido or ATT networks using EDGE, it would be a real poor move for Telus to not have an upgrade path to HSPA.
This is Telus's non Blackberry flagship business device, today, Telus has Enterprise customers testing the HSPA network (likely either PC cards or USB modems). Once HTC releases Windows Mobile 6.5, this would be an ideal time to upgrade the radio's and unlock the 850/1900 UMTS bands.
I can see the 850/1900 bands today, not 100% if they are actually there, also wondering if Telus is also waiting for ATT to release TP2 so ATT can test ROM, Sprint nor Verizon would not have any need to do any regression testing on ROM that supports UMTS bands. Tell tale sign will be if ATT TP2 has same chipset as Telus TP2.
I am crossing my fingers that TP2 will support Telus Canadian SIM.

I agree with you points. By seing the bands you mean in windows mobile band selction settings? If so these are always there.
I highly doubt ATT will use the same chipset as Telus since they use the MSM7600 to support both GSM and CDMA. ATT as no need for CDMA.
Also to support my claim:
ATT is RHOD300 device.
I think Telus is RHOD500 and Sprint is RHOD400 (can't find this info but I know 400/500 are both world phone, so it might be the opposit or something)
Different RHODXXX indicates differents innards.
Bottom line I want a TP2 with 3G on Fido so Im crossing my finders too!
Edit:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/04/atandts-htc-touch-pro2-hits-the-fcc/
So that's Rhodium 100 for T-Mobile, 400/500 for Sprint and Verizon (or vice-versa) and 300 for AT&T
Noob mistake on my part I think the Rhodium XXX is FCC ...so why did I think Telus was in there =\

Sprint is RHOD400, Verizon and Telus both are RHOD500.

[Q] do I need to flash my radio to use TP2 abroad?

Hi there,
I'm totally confused as to what I need to do to get my Touch Pro 2 (currently activated on Boost CDMA) to work abroad, specifically Canada.
It is flashed with Energy ROM, Reference version.
Do I need to do a Radio flash? Do I need to tweak some settings? Both? Neither?
I'm going to be in Canada for 3 weeks and plan to use either Rogers or Fido's GSM Pay as You Go (already have the SIM cards), or Telus's CDMA Pay as You Go.
I've read the FAQs and generally understand that this is possible -- just not clear the route.
Thanks,
Simmy

The biggest problem with Canada is our carriers don't want people coming in and using their networks without paying for it, and that usually means your first born here.
The hardware problem is, the TP2 will not work on the frequencies in Canada that Telus has used for the HSPA / 4G network. And using the current CDMA network is not possible either because Telus and Bell will not allow you to put branded phones from other companies on the old network and CDMA systems don't use SIM cards. So if your planning on bringing the TP2 up here I think you may be out of luck.
I took the TP2 to Ireland and was able to use the frequencies there on the O2 network, but to do that I had to unlock the phone and as i have the "world edition" with the SIM card slot once unlocked it worked over there no issue, and returned working over here with no SIM card in it. But again this is a frequency issue and telus tells us it won't work.
Now if when you get here, and you plug a sim card in and it does work, please share, because it means we can manually add frequencies and hook to both the old and new network. And some of us with the original unlimited data contracts (no 10 gig cap) would be really happy to know this.
As for Rogers, i can't tell you. I don't know if they have ever had the TP2 and have no clue what frequency they are using for their phones, though i'm sure it's similar.

Flashing the radio does nothing to add radios or affect your ability to connect to the network while abroad. Its usually just done to improve reception and/or battery life.
You will need your phone SIM unlocked. Then, as the post above suggests, either putting in the SIM works, or it doesn't.

Thanks to both of you for your reply.
So the TP2 won't work on any Canadian CDMA networks, but since it also has GSM, if I stick a Rogers or Fido SIM card in it, it *may* work. In fact, I believe it *should* work. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
And thanks for answering my question re: radio ROMs, Redpoint -- that's what I thought, but was still confused about.
So, with respect to unlocking, is the Olipro page that charges 11 pounds / 14 euros / $20 my best/cheapest option? (unfortunately, i can't link to it here because I'm a new member)
Thank muchly,
Simmy

The device should have no trouble connecting to a normal GSM network in Canada. The Canadian GSM networks use the GSM-1900 and GSM-850 bands. The CDMA Rhodiums use a quad band frequency that spans all of 850/900/1800/1900 MHz channels. You should have no problems in Canada. Enjoy your trip.
You do not need to flash a new radio to have it work in Canada.

GSM cdma switching

Is there any way know yet to force the incredible 2 to switch over to GSM mode once you unlock the sim
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b0gman said:
Is there any way know yet to force the incredible 2 to switch over to GSM mode once you unlock the sim
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I would like to know this as well.
I heard that the Thunderbolt can't do this so I doubt it.

Moved to general as not android development.

RacecarBMW said:
I would like to know this as well.
I heard that the Thunderbolt can't do this so I doubt it.
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The Thunderbolt isn't a world phone, which is why you can't do it on the Thunderbolt.
Have you tried putting in a different SIM card? I haven't tried that, but if you switch to a GSM carrier, there should be a way to turn off CDMA roaming and enable the GSM options, that appear to be grey-ed out for some reason...

Called Verizon Global Support a few days ago and had them give me the SIM unlock code. Once unlocked I was able to insert a T-Mobile SIM card. I went to Settings>Call>Preferred Network and changed to GSM. I was able to make/receive phone calls on the T-Mobile network as well as connect to the Edge data service. I did however have to add the APN setting for T-Moble (epc.tmobile.com) to get Edge service.

I got the I2 a week ago and 2 times I have unlocked the screen to see a dialog box saying I have lost my data connection and prompted me to choose between CDMA and GSM modes. I haven't tried to switch modes, but it worries me that I am losing the data connection.

stings70 said:
Called Verizon Global Support a few days ago and had them give me the SIM unlock code. Once unlocked I was able to insert a T-Mobile SIM card. I went to Settings>Call>Preferred Network and changed to GSM. I was able to make/receive phone calls on the T-Mobile network as well as connect to the Edge data service. I did however have to add the APN setting for T-Moble (epc.tmobile.com) to get Edge service.
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Even though the data is just Edge, it works on T-Mobile in the U.S.? Interesting. The only other global Android devices on Verizon so far - the Droid Pro and the Droid 2 Global - have T-Mobile and AT&T bands completely locked out. I wonder if it would work on AT&T as well.

Yah it works quite well you have to manually change the apns in the GSM settings. I did find the switch to change calling modes between GSM and cdma it's under settings ->call settings
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If it's not switching over on its own, try the test mode - *#*#4636#*#* and then in there you can choose GSM (PRL) or WCDMA preferred, both of which switch you onto GSM or 3G GSM respectively.

Did anybory try?
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If it's not switching over on its own, try the test mode - *#*#4636#*#* and then in there you can choose GSM (PRL) or WCDMA preferred, both of which switch you onto GSM or 3G GSM respectively.
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Did anybory try this? Is 3G works on Inc2?
By the way:
Inc2 supports:
CDMA 800/1900MHz +
UMTS/HSPA 900/2100MHz +
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz
And some info from t-mobile forum:
Mobile USA's frequency is the AWS 1700/2100 band also known as UMTS1700. Europe's band is 900/2100, also known as UMTS2100. The phone must be able to connect to uplink and downlink for it to be compatible on a network. Since his Nokia was UMTS2100 it could not connect to T-Mobile's 1700mhz uplink frequency.

3g works in the uk. No idea about T-Mobile
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BobbySteel said:
3g works in the uk. No idea about T-Mobile
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What operator and what frequencies of 3g?

stings70 said:
Called Verizon Global Support a few days ago and had them give me the SIM unlock code. Once unlocked I was able to insert a T-Mobile SIM card. I went to Settings>Call>Preferred Network and changed to GSM. I was able to make/receive phone calls on the T-Mobile network as well as connect to the Edge data service. I did however have to add the APN setting for T-Moble (epc.tmobile.com) to get Edge service.
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How they gave your unlock code - did you by phone by _retail price_?

Does anyone know if it would be possible to only have T-Mobile US SIM handle only the calls & texts part, and Verizon data with the Pre-Paid $30. unlimited data?

NexusOneOwner said:
Does anyone know if it would be possible to only have T-Mobile US SIM handle only the calls & texts part, and Verizon data with the Pre-Paid $30. unlimited data?
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Doesn't seem very likely, but honestly I don't know.

alisher said:
How they gave your unlock code - did you by phone by _retail price_?
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You call Verizon. They verify that you've been a customer in good standing for 6 months or more, and they give you the unlock code. No charge. You can't unlock more than one phone per account per some period (13 months, or something like that). It doesn't matter if you have a contract term, etc. (you don't need to pay full retail for the phone).
Once you're unlocked, you can use a SIM from whatever carrier you choose. There have been reports that you can't use others in the US (AT&T, T-Mobile), but I've not tried that. I've had no troubles using a Cingular SIM in Europe.

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does this method work for a us cellular customer? i have the electrify and plan to travel later this year. the whole idea for the world phone was to have it work there as well without the god awful international roaming.
i just use the *#*#4636#*#* code and put it in gsm/cmda auto? then how do i get it to recognize the sim when i get there?
i am using cm7

which an unlock code ( from Verizon - U have to unlock the first time ), Inc 2 can use GMS network ( both GPRS, Edge, 3G - HSDPA 900 / 2100 )
I'm using an unlocked inc 2 in Vietnam, with GSM network. It work well, both 3G and GPRS
PS : Using stock rom ( 2.3.3 ), AOKP and some other rom ICS doesn't work ( may be a part like sms doesn't work ).

FYI - being a VZW customer in good standing, I called up - using another phone line - Global Support & requested Sim unlocking, after verifying my identity - reading the disclaimer/emailing the disclosure docs, etc. & placing me on hold for a short while, came back & gave step-by-step instructions on inputting the 8 digit unlock code into the DI2 - the phone's screen displaying "unlocked" (it's good for life) then powered down & rebooted, and it was good to go.
I replaced the stock Vodafone SIM (note: it's not provisioned or activated) with an active China Mobile Sim card (that I normally used with an unlocked quad-band LG or Sony Ericsson "feature" phone) - turned off roaming data & mobile data access before switching over to GSM mode, and, it's success & ready - registered on AT&T's 3G network (CMCC's roaming partner, also with T-Mobile.)
I was able to send short codes to obtain my CM account balance, etc. (*#130# - Send for my overseas carrier)
Just returned from a weekend cruise to Bermuda (UK) trip and it registered with DigiCel for roaming on the island with GSM active only - (CellularOne is also available for roaming purposes) These are the same carrier for AT&T and T-Mobile Sims when going to this 21 miles island out in the Atlantic.
While on the cruise ship (Royal Caribbean) - it registered with their satellite based ship services for voice/SMS and GPRS (yes, it's slow 2G) services in GSM mode (it also worked in CDMA mode - beware of expensive Mobile Data pricing & per minutes calling rates ...)
FYI - back here on USA mainland now, prepaid AT&T Gophone & T-Mobile Sim cards worked on this unlocked DI2 (Edge/2G data only plus Voice/SMS) - it's easy to change APN settings to match AT&T or T-Mo if the account is provisioned for it - using both SkyRaider's custom ROM and Nijitsu's Sense ROM here.

[Q] Prepaid SIM for my TP2 in the USA?

Hi,
I'm going to the states soon and wonder if I can just walk into a store and buy a prepaid SIM card that will work with my GSM TP2.
Or do I need "special" CDMA cards?
All I want is to have a number for emergencies, etc..
Thanks in advance!

Markstar said:
Hi,
I'm going to the states soon and wonder if I can just walk into a store and buy a prepaid SIM card that will work with my GSM TP2.
Or do I need "special" CDMA cards?
All I want is to have a number for emergencies, etc..
Thanks in advance!
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If you have a GSM Rhodium, then you'll need to get a SIM from a GSM carrier here. AT&T and T-Mobile are the top two GSM carriers here. CDMA carriers do not offer SIM cards to anyone except for their own customers going overseas as far as I know. As long as your device is SIM unlocked, then yes, you can just put any SIM card in it, and it will work.
3G coverage will be based on your device model. European Rhodium models will not get US 3G service. AT&T 3G services work on the 850 & 1900 UMTS bands. T-Mobile 3G is on the 1700 & 2100 UMTS bands. The device needs both to work properly on one carrier's 3G service.

[Q] got a question

i know this is the wrong section, but the guys in the ATT section aren't as smart as you guys.
i have a motorola atrix from ATT which is gsm, but motorolas web site says phone is ===
NETWORKS4
WCDMA 850/1900/2100, GSM 850/900/1800/1900, HSDPA 14Mbps (Category 10) Edge Class 12, GPRS Class 12, eCompass, AGPS
and sprint is wcdma so is there a way i can use this phone on sprint, if so what will i need to do ?

No, ATT is a gsm network, sprint is a cdma network. Cannot cross the two.

but specs. says it's dual network, what does that mean ?

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but specs. says it's dual network, what does that mean ?
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WCDMA is the 3G technology used in the US by AT&T and T-Mobile.
WCDMA defined
But the term "CDMA" is also commonly used to refer to one specific family of technologies (IS-95 and CDMA2000) used in the US by Sprint and Verizon Wireless.
CDMA defined

tattoo jaco said:
but specs. says it's dual network, what does that mean ?
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Meaning you could possibly have usage of it overseas, on other gsm carriers on different bands.
You could use the phone on t-mobile because they are gsm, but not sprint, as they're cdma.

ok i knew i'd get the answers i needed in here, thanks guys.