XDA Orbit Brodit Active Mount - P3300, MDA Compact III Accessories

FYI
I am after a XDA Orbit Brodit Active Mount, I spoke to the helpful chap at www.dsldevelopments.com he explained the HTC P3300 active brodit mount does not fit the Orbit as the usb port is about 3mm offset compared to the HTC P3300. He said Brodit are addressing this and may have the Orbit Bodit Active mounts available in a few weeks.
Nick

I spoke to Dave at DSL Developments on 7th January. He said that Brodit currently had an Orbit, were now designing a holder, and hoped to get one into test by end of January, possibly to market in February. He said he'd get back to me by email when it's available (he's developing an email list of people awaiting one!).

I would love to see their Molex adapter to use for something USEFUL like AUDIO OUT. So everybody could use the Orbit/Artemis for connecting to car stereo AUX IN.

Sorry but I have to disagree with the assumption that this mount will not work with the orbit as I am using it on my Orbit.
Yes at first it did not work so I used a bit of gentle pressure to align it and it works really well.
Not really an issue in my opinion.

Brodit orbit active holder finally here
Just for information noticed this morning that the orbit active holder has finally appeared on the brodit website!
Does anyone know any uk based shops where these will be available soon?

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Just for information noticed this morning that the orbit active holder has finally appeared on the brodit website!
Does anyone know any uk based shops where these will be available soon?
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Hi,
We are please to announce that the holder range for the XDA Orbit has just been released, stock is due into the UK in 5-7 working days so to order and get one allocated to you, please follow the link,
If you have any questions do please get in touch,
Many Thanks,
Bryson
http://www.dsldevelopments.com/brodit/new_holder/o2+XDA Orbit-Brodit-Holder.asp

Can anyone tell me how to mount the brodit holder for Artemis in your car?
There are 3 holes for screws, but I don't want to damage my car interior when installing the PocketPC car holder.
The documentation included does not say anything about how to install it

You will need a Pro-Clip to suit your vehicle, the holder will attach to that via screws, or Brodit Move-it Clip (which is a better solution as it makes it easier to remove from the vehicle) it also leaves less evidence of a mount in the car when removed - Mike

Thanks for the quick reply! I didn't knew that

Brodit Mount
Have at long last received my XDA Orbit mount from Brodit courtesy of DslDevelopments, its a peice of cake to install (you need car specific proclip to mount it onto!) the Orbit fits nicely and feels very secure, I got the active version so phone is always being charged in the car - recommended even if it did take brodit 2 months to produce it!
Philby

esackbauer said:
I would love to see their Molex adapter to use for something USEFUL like AUDIO OUT. So everybody could use the Orbit/Artemis for connecting to car stereo AUX IN.
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is there any solution for this issue by now?
i fancy that brodit active holder but it would have to be capable of connecting the device to the power supply as well as my car stereo AUX IN.
could get this sorted out with a self-built solution but i prefer having just one single cable visible in my car....
...any suggestions?

You will need to use the Passive (non powered mount) and a 3 in 1 addapter like this one http://www.easydevices.co.uk/pp/HTC_Accessories/HTC_P3300/HTC_P3300_3_IN_1_USB_ADAPTER.html
It does work very well and allows you to charge the device up, use the supplied ear phones and use the 3,5MM socket to feed the Aux input on the car.
It does not pass the earphones through as an aerial though, so you cannot use the Artemis radio when using the addapter, I have one and use it in this exact same way in the car, your other alternative is to change the stereo to one that supports Bluetooth and stream the audio to the car deck using A2DP - this works very well, but it is also very costly for a stereo that can do this - Mike

bluetooth is no good to me as i dont wanna change my car deck due to design reasons
reckon i'll actually get this sorted exactly the way you described it as brodit's active holder concept seems to be no good for audio throughput, which is a shame if you ask me
anyways, cheers for your replay mate..

My solutions
I bought a Sony MEX-BT2500 for £90 on ebay - bluetooth streaming, brilliant!
However, there are other things I've done too...
Got the standard universal PDA holder that O2 ship sometimes, or for a fiver on ebay... it's one with sliding 'feet' at the bottom of it... then put your usb connector (either straight power or a 3-way if needed,) into your device,and slide the feet to hold it tight. With this done, gently remove the device, holding the connector in place, and stategically place a couple of drops of superglue to hold the usb connector to the feet... job done.
I then fastened my holder to a bolt-free bracket for my Passatt (another ebay find) for a perfect solution...

NickR said:
FYI
I am after a XDA Orbit Brodit Active Mount, I spoke to the helpful chap at www.dsldevelopments.com he explained the HTC P3300 active brodit mount does not fit the Orbit as the usb port is about 3mm offset compared to the HTC P3300. He said Brodit are addressing this and may have the Orbit Bodit Active mounts available in a few weeks.
Nick
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Look here for active holders for XDA:
Brodit XDA Orbit Car Holders.
Cheap prices and good service.

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O2 XDA II Car Kit Query

Hi all
Has anyone any experience of the O2 Car Kit like this one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=57252&item=6382293875
I'm well past the stage where I should have installed and be using one, (the car is a Diesel L/R Disovery Tdi, and not exactly quiet), but I'd like any opinions on the best to use, or any problems that might arise.
Althogh I have a BT GPS Unit, I dont use any Route Planning S'Ware, cause few have any usefull maps of Northern Ireland, so its the call audio I'm really interested in.
TIA for any opinions
Based on the pictures this carkit is the same as the QTek2020 / T-Mobile MDAII carkit.
It is said to be of very good quality.
BUT: It is also said that when using ie TomTom Navigator (or the like) your car-audio will be muted permanently.
This carkit was sold in Germany for approx 170 euro (about 110 gbp). So I would say the current auction price is rather high . . . .
I was not aware that O2 sold this carkit. I am using the XDAII carkit that is/was sold by ie. Expansys. The quality of that thing is not as good. Especially the mic sound is horrible for 'the other side'
BTW there are many threads on this (all approx 1 yr old)
Car Kit Query
Hi Ed
>>Based on the pictures this carkit is the same as the QTek2020 / T-Mobile MDAII carkit. It is said to be of very good quality.
Yes I agree, part of what drew me towards this one is the look of it.
>>BUT: It is also said that when using ie TomTom Navigator (or the like) your car-audio will be muted permanently.
I have considered this, and I'm not sure when or if I would use anything other than 'Pocket Streets', (and its maps of this area aren't that good either).
Most of the mapping I have been able to view provide street level detail, only in Larger Built up areas, and main routes connecting these.
Fortunately I already know my way between Belfast and other towns, As a result I dont know if TT or indeed any of the others would be of any real use. As a result, I really am more curious about the Call audio from the Speaker and Mic, during calls.
>>This carkit was sold in Germany for approx 170 euro (about 110 gbp). So I would say the current auction price is rather high . . . .
yes I found it on the T'mobile (D) site still on sale,
fully agree re the price but .... if it works ... then ... maybe ..
>>BTW there are many threads on this (all approx 1 yr old)
Yes and I think I managed to read most of them, I was sorta looking to see if someone else has lived with one of these for while, and have a experienced opinion on the it, any Rom Upgrades needed etc ...
I'm not sure how much more stress I am prepared to endure to get various aspects of this great unit to work as I hoped it would, (can't afford to be pulling on my hair much more these days)
I have yesterday just bought this car kit from the company advertising it on ebay, first of all the compnay are absolutly brilliant to deal with and would recommend them highly.
As for the car kit i have found three little niggles:
1) it isn't as easy as other car phone kits to place the xda2 into the holder, this is probably the case for most xda2 car kits due to the body of the xda2 itself.
2) any sound from the pda will mute the car radio, this so far hasn't been too much of an issue, but you can always just disconnect the car radio mute lead, but side effect of course is that you would have to turn the radio down when you recieve a call, however it is nice that the tomtom directions etc come out the car phone speaker loud and clear.
3) now this one may not be the car kit itself and maybe just that i haven't managed to find optimal settings or have missed a setting up procedure (if there is one). Basically there is a lot of background noise through the microphone, speech can be heard ok but i haven't experienced this amount of noise from any other kit, however i am going to try and relocate the mic to the middle of the car instead of up the windscreen frame near the driver door, this may solve this.
Apart from that it is a very easy kit to install (would recommend a professional install due to problems of bodged installs and car air bags!), it is of a very good physical quality and have seen it advertised for over £150 in the UK.
O2 car kit query
see now thats what I was hoping for.
thanks macca
I'm just about convinced
now just need to know where my wife hid my c'card ???
macca: Just a tip for the mic: Make sure the airstream from then vents does not reach the mic. I read several threads on background noise and most of them appeared to be created by the airstream blowing over the mic.
thanks edsub, i'll investigate that furthur, i maybe moving over to a orange m2000 soon as i have been offered an upgrade, unfortunatly it won't fit in my car kit, so i may have to sell it and get a xda2i instead. xda2 is great, i just miss the wlan.
david young, glad to have helped.
Brodit kits
I wonder if anyone has any experience of these Brodit Car Kits at pdahut? I do like the idea of ProClip Brodit have so you don't have to drill holes anywhere in your car. Any other suggestion?
http://www.pdahut.com/store/home.php?cat=378
I have Brodit and Carcomm cradles installed and they are both excellent. At the moment I have my XDAII in a Carcomm cradle which is powered and has a serial input cable to which you can connect a GPS Mouse or charge a BT GPS.
The Brodit cradles also have the option of an amplified speaker, in the photos you'll see my 2210 on the right of the steering wheel is connected to this type.
In the UK TotalPDA sell Carcomm and Handnav are the appointed Brodit resellers.
See here for images of the cradles in my car.
I too liked the idea of not drilling in my (leasecar) dashboard.
Afaik there are two options then:
Brodit Procip (plastic)
MTU dashmount (metal)
I opted for the MTU and decided to imitate it myself from a metal plate strip. Its quite easy from the MTU specifications:
http://www.mtu.no/english/DashMount/DM_pdf/70224.pdf
I managed the get the cables through the airvent that is now blocked by the carkit.
Now did I get a bargain or did I get a bargain.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5196552992&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWN:IT&rd=1
So long as you want it for an XDA rather than an XDAII then yes.
I have my 2i in a Brodit kit connected to the cigarette lighter and then a bluetooth Motorola HS810...works a treat. Luckily the 2i fits perfect as I got the cradle originally for the XDA2.
I've also got my TomTom wireless BT receiver on the dash...all work nicely (other than ongoing issues with phone mast transfers causing TT lockups)
Aww hell, I'll just take a picture and show you...my only wish is that on the Mini the holder was locked in a bit higher to show off when people drive past
A
PS - yes that IS a Care Bear...that my girlfriend puts there to "watch over me". I have one of those little dog things that Clintons Cards do (the ones with the big heads and little bodies) in the other cup holder. Thought I'd get that in now to avoid the "errr....is that a care bear?" questions!!
griffog said:
See here for images of the cradles in my car.
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Errr....just how many PDAs and phones do you want in your car?? Hehe...
They're not all used all of the time but I need them when performin comparison testing
Actually I tend to use TT Mobile 5 on a C500 most of the time now!
Griffog, yes it is for xda however I had an official car kit, the original I think for xda in the past and that would take an xda 2 quite happily although I never tried it out in the car it charged the xda 2 on the bench ok, what are the issues, is there a wiring difference preventing it working?

In-car holders: What r u using and what's the best?

I'm looking for a holder for my Qtek 2020i.
I was thining of this: http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/5827.htm
Just wondered if anyone has used these before and if they're any good?
What's everyone else using?
I want to link my PDA to my head unit so I need it to be fairly close...also have to be able to reach it so that I can activate the Voice Command
Only prob for me is lack of dash space - I have a mkII MR2
Cheers
Wayne
I use the similiar, if not the same product that was bought from PDA Hut.
http://www.pdahut.com/store/product.php?productid=16897
It's a well made product.
forumjunky said:
I use the similiar, if not the same product that was bought from PDA Hut.
http://www.pdahut.com/store/product.php?productid=16897
It's a well made product.
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Can you tell me if this holder obstructs the headphone socket in anyway?
I want to link my PDA to the headunit in my car via the headphones socket ya see.
Cheers
Wayne
if you want the best go for brodit at www.brodit.com or
http://www.gpsforless.co.uk
forumjunky said:
I use the similiar, if not the same product that was bought from PDA Hut.
http://www.pdahut.com/store/product.php?productid=16897
It's a well made product.
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Just a quick update:
I emailed PDAHut direct with the question and got a quick response saying that there would be no problem using the headphone socket.
I placed my order yesterda (Friday) at 2pm and my PDA holder arrived this morning (Saturday) via Recorded Delivery!
I'm very, very, very happy witht he product - not fitted it to the car as yet but it's deffinately worth the money in my opinion. The suction cup is unbelievably secure (I couldn't pull it, shake it or slide it off my bedroom window once attached!)...this was a big conern for me as I drive a sports car with stiff suspension and I was concerned that the holder would just come loose when driving over uneven ground.
The item itself is posable in any number of positions and is easily adjusted via thumb screws (so no tools nesceary). Becasue it's all held in place via these screws (rather than bendable extension arms) it doesn't move once you've got it in the position you want.
I've had another look at the products I suggested in my first post and I can confirm that the one I have purchased (at a fraction of the cost by the way) is almost identical if not the same product.
Regards
Wayne
Just found this...this IS the product I got from PDAHut - note that I have the STABILO holder so it can't be swiveled - I think PDAHut sell both types though.
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/hrmounts.php
Cheers
Wayne
PDAMODS - MDA3 Mount
Hi All,
Probably too late now but here is the link for the Vehicle Mount I'm using.. Does the job perfectly, doesn't block the Headphone Socket and mantains a secure environment!
http://www.pdamods.com/proddetail.asp?prod=A11XDA2SMNT&cat=113
Runs TomTom 5 too without any problems.. I'm currently using a wired GPS that plugs straight into it but this does require a power supply to it!
Hope this helps..?
Cheers

In Car Holder

For all of my last phones (SPV E200, C500) I've used the Brodit "Proclip" mounting system. I also used a Brodit base for my Ipaq, onto which I attached my Seidio holder.
I intend to use the MDA Pro for Sat Nav in the car, therefore I need (ideally) an active holder for it, with power input from the bottom, so I can sit the MDA Pro in landscape, with the screen facing out, so I can see my TomTom.
At the moment, by swivelling the screen, I can rest the base between the gear lever and aircon knobs of my S4, but it is way too low.
Brodit aren't showing anything on their website yet.
I don't favour "universal" style mounts which grip the device using ratchet arms - I like to be able to slot the phone / PDA straight in like a cradle.
I don't need the cradle to offer anything else (GPS, power to GPS, speakers or anything like that) simply need it to hold (and possibly power) the MDA Pro. If it doesn't power, I'll simply wire a charging cable into my electrics and leave it terminating close by, so when I slot into passive cradle, I just connect the power manually. Active solution preferred tho!
I contacted Akron about a Jas Jar car mount and received this resonse:
The JasJar and Kjam will be hugely popular PDA's. At this time, we are working on solutions for these. Unfortunately, creation time can be longer than 6-8 weeks. We have to create PDA specific cables/modules for these units.
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I think there should be many options soon, just need to give the accessory developers a little bit of time.
timetex said:
For all of my last phones (SPV E200, C500) I've used the Brodit "Proclip" mounting system. I also used a Brodit base for my Ipaq, onto which I attached my Seidio holder.
I intend to use the MDA Pro for Sat Nav in the car, therefore I need (ideally) an active holder for it, with power input from the bottom, so I can sit the MDA Pro in landscape, with the screen facing out, so I can see my TomTom.
At the moment, by swivelling the screen, I can rest the base between the gear lever and aircon knobs of my S4, but it is way too low.
Brodit aren't showing anything on their website yet.
I don't favour "universal" style mounts which grip the device using ratchet arms - I like to be able to slot the phone / PDA straight in like a cradle.
I don't need the cradle to offer anything else (GPS, power to GPS, speakers or anything like that) simply need it to hold (and possibly power) the MDA Pro. If it doesn't power, I'll simply wire a charging cable into my electrics and leave it terminating close by, so when I slot into passive cradle, I just connect the power manually. Active solution preferred tho!
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I contacted Brodit earlier this month and received a prompt response saying they should have an active holder available at the end of this month
The toyota echo has an almost perfect little cubby for the Universal to rest in.
skearon said:
timetex said:
For all of my last phones (SPV E200, C500) I've used the Brodit "Proclip" mounting system. I also used a Brodit base for my Ipaq, onto which I attached my Seidio holder.
I intend to use the MDA Pro for Sat Nav in the car, therefore I need (ideally) an active holder for it, with power input from the bottom, so I can sit the MDA Pro in landscape, with the screen facing out, so I can see my TomTom.
At the moment, by swivelling the screen, I can rest the base between the gear lever and aircon knobs of my S4, but it is way too low.
Brodit aren't showing anything on their website yet.
I don't favour "universal" style mounts which grip the device using ratchet arms - I like to be able to slot the phone / PDA straight in like a cradle.
I don't need the cradle to offer anything else (GPS, power to GPS, speakers or anything like that) simply need it to hold (and possibly power) the MDA Pro. If it doesn't power, I'll simply wire a charging cable into my electrics and leave it terminating close by, so when I slot into passive cradle, I just connect the power manually. Active solution preferred tho!
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I contacted Brodit earlier this month and received a prompt response saying they should have an active holder available at the end of this month
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That's excellent news. I always found the Arkon stuff slightly "plastic"...
galt said:
The toyota echo has an almost perfect little cubby for the Universal to rest in.
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Such a big phone for such a small car lol.
I'd almost consider carving out a whole in my dash like that. Only problem is how to activate voice command???
Bluetooth headset I guess?
check out my car cradle below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29351&highlight=
I have been liaising in quite some depth with Brodit about this. The current state of affairs is:
1. A holder won't be available for 2-4 weeks
2. It will be passive, not active (i.e. just a lump of plastic, no charger)
3. It will hold the device vertical, not horizontal
What a waste of time! :roll: All good SatNav systems have a horizontal screen. Of course in-car we want it held horizontally, with a charger. Presumably the guys at Brodit all drive cars with vertically oriented windscreens! :lol:
Any other 'active' car kits anyone knows about coming soon?
CJSnet said:
I have been liaising in quite some depth with Brodit about this. The current state of affairs is:
1. A holder won't be available for 2-4 weeks
2. It will be passive, not active (i.e. just a lump of plastic, no charger)
3. It will hold the device vertical, not horizontal
What a waste of time! :roll: All good SatNav systems have a horizontal screen. Of course in-car we want it held horizontally, with a charger. Presumably the guys at Brodit all drive cars with vertically oriented windscreens! :lol:
Any other 'active' car kits anyone knows about coming soon?
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Thats a BIG disappointment!
Do you know if the passive holder will have the space to allow a charging cable to be plugged in ?
Yes, just got this response:
“ The holder will be with a tilt swivel and You should be able to both have it horizontal and vertical. You should also be able to have it both with the screen flipped in both ways. The only thing is that You have to put the charging cable manually each time.
Brodit has a carholder for the 9000/MDAPro/Jasjar etc
http://www.brodit.com/news.jsp?path=static/news/int/051101.html
Re: Brodit has a carholder for the 9000/MDAPro/Jasjar etc
sammylvb said:
http://www.brodit.com/news.jsp?path=static/news/int/051101.html
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That's a nice neat holder (thanks for the link ) but sadly not powered. I was really hoping for an all-in-one holder/charger/audio interface.
Maybe O2 will launch one..... before 2008.
Any UK stockists yet? This is a must have for me. Not bothered about power yet, as I've got my own curly cable...
I ordered mine from www.incardiscount.co.uk . Ask for Martin Wright and tell them Christian sent you, as I'd been liaising with him to get the info for this thread for quite a while. I ordered mine a few days ago.
CJSnet said:
I ordered mine from www.incardiscount.co.uk . Ask for Martin Wright and tell them Christian sent you, as I'd been liaising with him to get the info for this thread for quite a while. I ordered mine a few days ago.
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Price?
£19.99, quoted 2 weeks delivery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=32352
New, Active holder !
geovass said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=32352
New, Active holder !
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Which is exactly like the passive holder! 8)
Not quite, it has the charger included and attached to the holder, with a short cable that is loose for connection manually to the device after inserting into the cradle. The passive holder doesn't come with a charger, or a holder for the cable.
However I have literally just received the passive holder, and using my existing car charger and a small self-adhesive black cable-clip stuck to the back of the passive holder, it is essentially just the same, only £19.99 instead of £34.99, and available now instead of in 2-3 weeks
Warning: There is a major design flaw with both the Brodit holders. Part of the bracket unnecessarily covers the left speaker. When using SatNav this means that 50% of the speakers are covered, so effectively 50% of the volume is lost. A BIG problem when driving on a noisy motorway. I'm sending mine back.
Anyone know of an alternative out there?

car mount to replace tomtom mount

currently have an ipaq4150 tomtom mount in car, does the job perfectly, it feeds the tomtom bt gps with power, is very steady on the windshield, and powers the ipaq (via cigarette lighter), slotting it and out with ease.
I am about to recieve an xda exec, and I am wanting a similarly neat solution.
I want it powered, off the windshield, and able to power the bt. I dont want a generic one size fits all, they are messy, and dont hold the phones very well.....
Is there a holder that will do this for me?
If not, is there a one that can be clipped into the air vents (mk2 mondeo) to do the same thing?
thanx
I know it would become cable central, but why not invest in a splitter for your 12v supply - one feeds the receiver and the other feeds the mount.
I just bought a gooseneck brodit cradle from bryson (www.dsldevelopments.co.uk) and i'm really happy with it.
I dont need the bluetooth power as I've got a parrot gps bluetooth carkit.
Suggest that you consider the Brodit mount, it comes in 2 parts, 1 that fits the specific car & 1 that fits the specific PDA, you can also get a suction mount.
Looks neet & PDA very secure.
I purchased mine on e-bay along with a Y cable to power my Jasjar & BT GPS unit.
Mike
I got this one, simply perfetct
http://www.pdamods.com/proddetail.asp?prod=A111U2CRIJASMNT

Car Cradle/Holder

Hi All,
I've been reading this forum for a while now and I'n currently looking for a active car holder. I've seen all kinds come by, but the one that I (and others I think) are looking for is no were to be seen!
The Veripart is a step in the right direction. But I don't need a extra speaker AND I want my MDA vertical! Is it so hard for the cradle developers to create one like that.
Does any know of a cradle like that?
PS, sorry for the tone in this post, but I just get a bit frustrated that something so easy could be so hard to get.
Hi, Welcome to the forum,
Have you seen the Brodit holders for the Exec/JasJar etc.
They offer Passive holders: code 848649, (just holds it) or Active with Cig Charger code: 968649 or hardwired to vehicles power code: 971649.
All the holders allow you to have it either in vertical PDA mode, or Laptop mode with exposed keyboard, and also full rotation for landscape view for sat nav etc.
Have a look at: http://www.dsldevelopments.com/brodit/brodit.asp either do a search by PDA make, the codes above or the 968649 is listed further down the homepage.
All the holders either fit onto a vehicle specific proclip (choose your car make, model and year) or onto a windscreen suction mount.
Hope that helps you decide, many users have these and have posted positive comments on the forum about them.
Cheers,
Bryson
Hi Bryson,
Yes I know.. But I just hate to have to connect the power supply each time manualy. When you look at the veripak one it has the connector build in. You just slide the mda in the cradle and youre done.
I'm using an Arkon vehicle mount for my Wizard. It's also a windshield mount with a tightening swivel head that can be locked into either vertical or horizontal position. Take a look here -- http://www.arkon.com/pdamount.php
There's several different models of their mounts available on the site. The one I'm using is the CM920 model. Works fine for me!!
But then I would still be plugging the power in manualy every time
I had my Wizard mount from www.dsldevelopments.com dealing with Bryson. Worked great and I'm going to order the Hermes one from him too. I suppose you could always doctor the power cable and wire it in properly behind your dash.
Cheerio
Howard
There's a new one on the O2 XDA site that looks interesting and is vertical. I haven't found any more info on this yet though.
http://www.my-xda.com/xdaExecAcc.html
Does any one have and experiance with these?
Mav
There is a massive price difference too though,

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