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Stability issue and soft resets...

I'm on a Cingular 8525. Updated the SPL, radio, and am currently running WM6 Black Edition. When my 8525 was completely "stock" and running WM5, I noticed that every morning I had to soft reset the device after leaving it charge over-night. Sometimes daily too and just totally random. The phone would "freeze" or be unresponsive, so i had to soft reset it. Not very stable in the "stock" condition. Ok, so after upgrading to WM6, I'm running into almost the same problem. Is this pretty normal? It's annoying, but if this is just one of those things that 'happens', then so-be-it, but I did notice the upgrades have limited the soft resets. Are there known apps that can cause this "problem"? Searching the forums I've seen others with the same or similar problem, but no real definitive "reasons". Any advice on said matter would be MUCH appreciated.
Sincerely,
SFC Fin

ronfin44 said:
I'm on a Cingular 8525. Updated the SPL, radio, and am currently running WM6 Black Edition. When my 8525 was completely "stock" and running WM5, I noticed that every morning I had to soft reset the device after leaving it charge over-night. Sometimes daily too and just totally random. The phone would "freeze" or be unresponsive, so i had to soft reset it. Not very stable in the "stock" condition. Ok, so after upgrading to WM6, I'm running into almost the same problem. Is this pretty normal? It's annoying, but if this is just one of those things that 'happens', then so-be-it, but I did notice the upgrades have limited the soft resets. Are there known apps that can cause this "problem"? Searching the forums I've seen others with the same or similar problem, but no real definitive "reasons". Any advice on said matter would be MUCH appreciated.
Sincerely,
SFC Fin
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What 3rd party apps ahve you installed?? and what stuff is running??
I presume its black v2.0 correct? (if not then upgrade to 2.0)

3rd party apps currently running are as followed:
Wisbar Advance, and WADesktop
Photo Contacts Pro
MagiCall
psshutXP
That's pretty much the only things running. I'm gonna take your advice and update to 2.0
*Question: Are the above mentioned apps that I have currently running known to be "buggy" or to cause this soft-reset problem?
Thanks,
Fin

Almost all SPB software is known to cause one crash or another, remove WAD and WA and see what the effect is??
Besides the black theme is cool looking anyway!
EDIT: upgrade as described in my guide to make sure you have the latest SPL and radio.

Figures! lol The apps I like to skin my device cause problems. Murphy's Law v2.0!
Ok, I'm on radio 1.38, and SPL 1.3Oli Upgradind the SPL wont cause any modifications correct? Also, to re-inforce your statement on "SpB" software, I tried to use SpB Shell last night and it sucked, to be blunt. Once the bugs of 2.0 are worked out in the next few days by the initial "testers" and "CAB" makers, I'll join the masses once again, and just in time for the next upgrade!
Again, thanks for all your help,
Fin

Not Wisbar
I have both Wisbar Advance and Desktop and I don't run into the soft reset problem. I am running WMXL0.20 and everything is running smoothly.

ronfin44 said:
Figures! lol The apps I like to skin my device cause problems. Murphy's Law v2.0!
Ok, I'm on radio 1.38, and SPL 1.3Oli Upgradind the SPL wont cause any modifications correct? Also, to re-inforce your statement on "SpB" software, I tried to use SpB Shell last night and it sucked, to be blunt. Once the bugs of 2.0 are worked out in the next few days by the initial "testers" and "CAB" makers, I'll join the masses once again, and just in time for the next upgrade!
Again, thanks for all your help,
Fin
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ronfin44,
Do you have your ext rom mounted? I have the problem you describe if I leave my ext rom mounted, but when I unmount it all problem go away and it never needs a reset.

Not sure. Need a point in the right direct as far as EXT ROM MOUNT goes. So is this a good idea?
Also, I have a sync issue, so upgrading to SPL 1.40 is temporarily on hold. It doesn't "settle down" like the guide states. It stays in a constant state of "syncronising", where the green animation keeps on rolling and Active Sync never comes to a final stop. I can upload new apps and delete things still, but I'm cautious to continue with a ROM update if this sync issue could cause me to brick my pants and device.
Fin

You mount the ext rom through HTweaksC, so if you don't remember doing it it isn't done. Sorry I couldn't help.

JasenR said:
You mount the ext rom through HTweaksC, so if you don't remember doing it it isn't done. Sorry I couldn't help.
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Actually, you helped by saying that. Since I haven't touched HTweaksC, I'm un-mounted at this time...and damn does that sound gay when you re-read it. hahaha
Ok, so on to this sync issue. I'm gonna upgrade to ActiveSync 4.5 and see if that stops the constant problem before I up my ROM to SPL 1.40
EDIT: ***I'm an Idiot*** Ok, glad I ask so many questions over and over, cause after asking about my sync issues I went BACK into the ActiveSync thread after updating a ROM, and noticed I never made the proper changes. Guess what, all fixed. See, following the guide completely makes less of these annoying posts.

From reading your post's, it doesn't appear if you fixed your lockup problem yet..
If not, do you have a storage card installed?

ChaoticDruid said:
From reading your post's, it doesn't appear if you fixed your lockup problem yet..
If not, do you have a storage card installed?
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Roger that, I have a 2G card installed. Upgraded to SPL 1.40 also. Fixed sync problems too.

I have had lockup problems just as you describe with bone stock wm5 and nothing on the today whatsoever, but had a card in.
If you dig deep back in the hermes thread, I posted about lockups long ago, and it even came back on my xdalive 0.1 install, but it had been so long ago, I initially forgot how to fix it.
I have yet to determine if it is related to a file name, size, or possibly the ammount/number of files, but I can have my device locking up for days in a row, and then Ill clean out my storage card, and it's everytime I clean the junk out of the root of the card, and put it into folders, all is fine.
Ill even go for a month or so and have a lot of crap in there, and it wont do it..so I could be wrong, but you might give your card a cleaning, or try pullin it for a night, and see if it locks up.
That is if its still doin it...the "fixed activesync too" has me sightly confused...even though you said "roger that"....so Im not 100% sure if you meant its still locking up or not.

I had also freeze, lockup, wakeup and charging overnight issues with the shipped Dopod 838pro WM05 ROM, even after soft reset.
Then i tried to flash with newer Australian WM05 ROM, then it became more stable and i did softreset only once every week.
With WM06 i tried first time to use WM06 with XDA Live! V0.2 ROM, then it became unstabile again. On one hand it solved the charging overnight issue but on the other hand other issues remains there.
The i tried now with LVSW Edition (2007-03-26) ROM, all problem solved now. I have no above mentioned issues any longer. I never do softreset until now since 27-03-2007. I think it is the most stable ROM i ever have. You may try to use this ROM also.
Good Luck!

Seems as microSD card is to Blame
We're investigating the lockups for some time, since also reported with stock ROM. Tests conducted on both Hermes 100 (IMate JasJam), and Hermes 200 (HTC TyTN). Tested with all WM6 ROMs, now on Black2.
Build: 17740.0.2.0
AKU: 0.2.0
CE: 5.2.968
Radio: 1.38.00.10
S/W install status: No SPB s/w, no Today screen PIns, both with Taiwan controller cards (Sandisk and TekQ) and with Japan controller cards (original Toshiba and Kingston 1GB). Only SatNav app on card, no Today PIn, normally closed.
When microSD is in device: once every 12 Hrs. Lockup. LEDs On, no Power On, not getting calls. Long (2 secs) time from pressing power button, to Device Power-On. Only SR to release.
No such problems when micro (any) SD card is out.
If you care to test on your device and report, it will be appreciated. Just take off the mSD for 48 Hrs.
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The Israeli Team

OMC said:
We're investigating the lockups for some time, since also reported with stock ROM. Tests conducted on both Hermes 100 (IMate JasJam), and Hermes 200 (HTC TyTN). Tested with all WM6 ROMs, now on Black2.
Build: 17740.0.2.0
AKU: 0.2.0
CE: 5.2.968
Radio: 1.38.00.10
S/W install status: No SPB s/w, no Today screen PIns, both with Taiwan controller cards (Sandisk and TekQ) and with Japan controller cards (original Toshiba and Kingston 1GB). Only SatNav app on card, no Today PIn, normally closed.
When microSD is in device: once every 12 Hrs. Lockup. LEDs On, no Power On, not getting calls. Long (2 secs) time from pressing power button, to Device Power-On. Only SR to release.
No such problems when micro (any) SD card is out.
If you care to test on your device and report, it will be appreciated. Just take off the mSD for 48 Hrs.
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The Israeli Team
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Nope sorry my device works fine with my 2GB SD card in!? I use phonealarm (retail beta 9 build 126) and coreplayer, none of my apps are installed to the card they are ALL installed to the device....could that be the issue???

Hmmm...
mrvanx said:
Nope sorry my device works fine with my 2GB SD card in!? I use phonealarm (retail beta 9 build 126) and coreplayer, none of my apps are installed to the card they are ALL installed to the device....could that be the issue???
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Card seems to be the problem here too... No Card in, no lookups at all... but we have something other folks here certainly don't, on top of all we have a non core level localization environment that may add an unknown to the equation. I'm gonna put back the cards, and suspend the localization to re-test.
As in OMC's, card is one of my usual suspects, but so is the localization,
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The Israeli Team

No lockups here anymore, with EVERYTHING installed to sd..except dialer skins...etc.
To everyone that are finding out it is sd card related, and you find out pulling it helps, I advise to clean out your card, and leave nothing, except folders/directories in the sd card root, I do keep .tsk themes in the root, so they show in settings...so Im not sayin it always has to be clean.
Im not sayin that Im 100% right...and people with lockups might already have empty sd cards...but I can simply move files from my root with resco explorer, and it goes away.
Hopefully this won't be in the invisible font, that I think gets used for my posts sometimes.

I can just add that some time ago when I owned a Wizard it used to freeze when I used Wisbar. Without it, it either didn't freeze at all or rarely, just don't remember. In case of my first Hermes (T-Mobile version) it was the same. Now my new one freezes without it. What I checked was that it usually freezes while charged. If I left it without charging over night I was ok in the morning.

ChaoticDruid said:
No lockups here anymore, with EVERYTHING installed to sd..except dialer skins...etc.
To everyone that are finding out it is sd card related, and you find out pulling it helps, I advise to clean out your card, and leave nothing, except folders/directories in the sd card root, I do keep .tsk themes in the root, so they show in settings...so Im not sayin it always has to be clean.
Im not sayin that Im 100% right...and people with lockups might already have empty sd cards...but I can simply move files from my root with resco explorer, and it goes away.
Hopefully this won't be in the invisible font, that I think gets used for my posts sometimes.
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Ok, I know my SD card is a mess, so I'll clean it up, and report back in 24 hrs. I guess I'll report on each step and see if anything fixes the problem, and if a "fix" works, or the SR's become rare, I'll backup one step and see if they re-occur, so atleast we'll know what helps cure this problem, or atleast make it a rare occurrence.
Fin

Orange UK Only - What's Best Radio with WM6?

Could I please be so greedy as to have a Orange-UK only thread?
I am been reading and searching in earnest to see what other peoples experiences are with the various Radio ROMs. It seems most people are happy with 1.38.00.10, although seems to be a few instances of people sticking with older versions because of battery life/drop outs/data freezes. But I am unable to establish what other people are experiencing in the UK on Orange's network.
I am well familiar with the Radio ROM 1.38 + WM6 - good or bad? thread, but not many people in there commenting on Orange UK.
If you are on Orange UK, please can you share you experiences here?
My own experience has been thus.
Before upgrading to WM6, was on stock M3100, which had Radio 1.06 I beleive. This worked flawlessy with push email (Exch 2003), and never had any problems at all with it. This was also the case when I upgraded to LVSW 20070315, leaving Radio Rom as was.
Then I upgraded to Black 2.0 last week, and did the Radio to 1.34 with it. I didnt notice any problems at first, or rather didnt take much notice of not getting email notifications whilst at work. But on Friday I realised the Data connections were freezing.
I have tried going to 1.38.00.10, to 1.35, back to 1.06, even 1.27. Have also tried going back to LVSW 20070315, and am now on LVSW 20070408
I have narrowed it all down to the "common" problem in swicthing between GSM and 3G. At home I seem to be between 3 transmitters, and swicthing is common. Hence the problems I was having Friday.
The Excellent commmgrpro has helped here. Also Bandswitch.
Anyway, with Phone set to GSM only I have no problems. Odd thing is, driving to Sheffield and back yesterday (dont mention the football!!), with phoen set to Auto, I had no problems at all.
Yet at home, and at work, on auto the data connection freezes.
So.... Whats everyone else using on Orange?

i've been using rom 3.23.0.2 with radio 1.38.00.10 on a spv m3100. this device is been freezing like you described in your post, thing is, it's become unuseable since you have to reboot after the freeze and it happens almost continiously... driving me insane.
if anyone knows of a way how to get back wm5, i'd appreciate it!
freben

When I upgraded a while ago I was wondering the same thing. The only negatives re 1.38 at the time seemed to come from orange UK customers so I went for the 1.27 radio and it seems fine.
Have not yet stepped up further, and at the moment, see no reason to.
Especially as I can even get the H now and then. (If it aint broke...)

@Phil, I've "gone black" (v 2.0) with Radio 1.38.00.10 - only since Saturday, so it may be too early to tell. I've got a push email account with Mail2Web, which I don't tend to use that regularly - it's good for aggregating lots of mail stuff when I go away on business, but my data package ain't up to much (don't get me started ) so I only switch it on when required.
Since installing the new ROM/Radio/SPL, my M3100 seems to be much better than it was prior to the update. I've reinstalled all my apps (apart from PPCProfilesPRO - I'll do that tonight) and the phone seems really stable - no more random lockups when taking it off charge and only a couple of "slowdowns" when ending calls, or if Activesync'ing....can't really complain if I'm honest
I'll keep an eye on things - and maybe switch on the Exchange push email for a couple of days - and I'll post again if the situation changes.
Cheers,
Mark.
PS - Message for @freben; read MrVanx's guide on downgrading to WM5 - see THIS POST for details of how to find it.

MrVanx kindly provides a guide here: http://www.mrvanx.myzen.co.uk/hermes_guide/Downgrade/
Do please read very carefully before trying it

Yep...1.27 for me. No real radio problems to report.
Spent a couple of weeks with WMXL 2.0 and the last two weeks with Black 2.0. Both work fine with Orange with 3g (inc HSDPA) and voice. Direct push/web/pop email all fine.
One freeze this morning (first one in two weeks) but dont know if it was radio or os or an app?
Can;t compare with other radios but simply can say am happy with 1.27 (hence why I havent tried 1.38 etc)

Having no problems with set up in sig.
had the freezing with the stock set up.
Could/should we be more scientific here and use one of the many web2.0 survey sites to do a ROM/OS survey to find the right mix?
with a little effort we could then find the most reliable Radio ROM and view by Country/OS/carrier/etc.
just a suggestion..

Mark Crouch said:
but my data package ain't up to much (don't get me started ) so I only switch it on when required.
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@Mark,
try Orange World Browsing, 8ukp for unlimited data access 24/7
Give O a call on 150 and then the billing option, 4
Orange World Browsing is what is what the O rep told me it was listed as. I think one of the key points is the cost, it’s 6.81 exc VAT or 8 inc VAT, that’s the way to check you have the right package.
And you need to be on a 35ukp per month tarif or more to get it.
apologies for off topic post!!

(I was told it was Orange World Unlimited)

unwired4 said:
(I was told it was Orange World Unlimited)
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My bill confirms it as Orange World Browsing -although I too thought it was OWU.
Not sure if it is still so hard to get as it once was.

Sheep_Head - Well, I am definetely up for using a survey site - any recommendations?
I gave re-flashed my phone back to Black 2.0. Seems to be what most people are using here (IMHO). Have tried Radio 1.27, 1.38.00, and right back to 1.07.
With a totally clean device (i.e. straight after flashing), setting up the orangeinternet connection manually, the thing just wont connect to 3G. Only when I have Band set to GSM will it connect.
Jeez!
I am now in the process of going back to an Orange WM5 rom, to see if it makes any difference, (albeit the Romanian one, so will have to reset the internet connection).
Getting mildly frustrated now.

OK, I'm now back to Orange Radio version, and Orange WM5 -(Romanian!)
Entered Orange Internet settings. And have gained nothing. COnnects via GSM, but not via 3G.
Grrrrrr....
Spoke to Orange CS - no reported 3G problems in my area (well, what about me???).
What's the panel's opinion on sending a phone back to O with OliPro's bootloader on it? (well, and the Romanian Rom, but they prob wouldnt spot that).
I have insurance etc, so would get a replacement in advance....

philg2000 said:
OK, I'm now back to Orange Radio version, and Orange WM5 -(Romanian!)
Entered Orange Internet settings. And have gained nothing. COnnects via GSM, but not via 3G.
Grrrrrr....
Spoke to Orange CS - no reported 3G problems in my area (well, what about me???).
What's the panel's opinion on sending a phone back to O with OliPro's bootloader on it? (well, and the Romanian Rom, but they prob wouldnt spot that).
I have insurance etc, so would get a replacement in advance....
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dude as a last ditch attempt can you try out flashing LVSWs latest ROM?? Make sure your settings are good and post the results?? (it wont take long)

Hey guys - mega useful thread.
I 'thought' I had solved all of my woes and was feeling bloody smug with myself as I thought I had managed to keep the stupid questions down to a minimum. After reading this obviously not .
I am running Black v2.0 (happily) and the rest of the handset is as per my sig block but I have removed spb pocketbooks and replaced it with shell. I thought it was all working correctly but I am suffering the same connectivity issues as yourself (gprs and not 3G).
Also - and I have read the threads but still not working (was going to try again after a re-re-re build I still have no VM notifications.
Anything I can help with or test let me know and I will do what I can.
Bezman.

wberesford said:
Also - and I have read the threads but still not working (was going to try again after a re-re-re build I still have no VM notifications.
Bezman.
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I have just tested the voicemail fix again since my reinstall and the certificates cab plus installing the sms dll has always worked for me.
Are you having any specific issues with it?

CrazyC,
I am struggling with the whole copying over of the .dll file in the widows directory. Like I said I have done a search of the wiki on VM notifications etc and followed the directions. I have attempted using Activesync but keep getting a response saying that the destination is in use. I have tried directly on the handset (not expecting it to work) and it doesn't and finally I tried by using Total Commander. Still no joy. I will keep going with it though as I was thinking about building again from fresh anyways, and then attempting the vm notification from clean.
Gonna wait out for black v2.5 before I do that however.
Cheers for getting back to me though!
Bezman.

mrvanx said:
dude as a last ditch attempt can you try out flashing LVSWs latest ROM?? Make sure your settings are good and post the results?? (it wont take long)
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Hmmm... I dont think that will achieve anything. I have had the latest LVSW ROM on there a while bad, with the same problem.
I'd really like to hear from anyone who has returned a flashed M3100 to Orange.

wberesford said:
CrazyC,
I am struggling with the whole copying over of the .dll file in the widows directory. Like I said I have done a search of the wiki on VM notifications etc and followed the directions.
Bezman.
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The only way I have done this recently is using Resco File Explorer. You need to go into the Options menu to ensure you can see all files, then copy the sms_providers.dll into the \Windows directory. It warns you, but if you say yes it lets it happen. I have done this numerous times (have flashed my phone about 10 times recently!) without any problems!

wberesford said:
CrazyC,
I am struggling with the whole copying over of the .dll file in the widows directory. Like I said I have done a search of the wiki on VM notifications etc and followed the directions. I have attempted using Activesync but keep getting a response saying that the destination is in use. I have tried directly on the handset (not expecting it to work) and it doesn't and finally I tried by using Total Commander. Still no joy. I will keep going with it though as I was thinking about building again from fresh anyways, and then attempting the vm notification from clean.
Gonna wait out for black v2.5 before I do that however.
Cheers for getting back to me though!
Bezman.
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First few times I did this, it just copied OK with the file explorer. Most recently tho it gave me the same error - so I went to the zip file on my ppc and told it to extract directly to the windows folder, said yes to overwrite and it did. Maybe worth a try. (install the certs first incase it makes a difference.)

SMS Providers CAB
To make my life easier I put the sms_providers.dll from WM5 into a CAB. To install make sure you've installed the sdk certificates (http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35814&d=1174572298) first and then install this cab - a soft reset is requested at the end of installation and is required.
I've tested this on the latest LVSW ROM and it works perfectly, hopefully will overcome peoples issues with copying this file.

Black Shadow IV Problem

Hey guys,
First post on the forum, so I hope I don't offend/irritate with my dumbass questions,
I successfully flashed to the Black Shadow IV rom yesterday. I installed all th e helpful cab files to restore my settings to the orange standard and got the skdcert fix for the voicemail quirk. All seems (seemed) to be running smoothly but I then stumble upon a problem.
I have found that I am resetting the device more than I should due to the fact that whenever I try to make a call, 5 times out of 10 the phone just crashes, all the buttons freeze up and the touch screen doesn't respond. On the odd occassion the buttons freeze but the screen still responds butr there's no way to drop the call. It just wont have it.
I upgraded to the Black IV shadow rom, but did not upgrade the radio which was out of the box at version 1.38.00.01. Could this be the root of the problem? I am running SPL- 2.10 Olipro.
Any ideas guys, you're the experts, I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut.
Thanks in advance.
Gav

The 1.38 radio is pretty stable. However, if you are in the US, you might want to try upgrading it to the 1.40 radio which is AT&T optimized.

That ROM was released and is supported here: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/htc-hermes/

Same happend to me too, I used Black Shadow IV for a week and now removed it, It is not stable.
My Jasjam hangs all the time and when conncting to PC.
Regards

Yeah, same. I used it for 3 days or so and crashed frequently. No additional programs installed either. BAD ROM

i've had nothing but a good experience with Shadow IV. ::shrug:: seems stable enough to me. it's never locked up on me and i've never had to reset except when i chose to to clear out the old memory once in a while.
as i mentioned in another thread, i have not installed any spb apps since they seem to have problems w/ WM6. i've had problems on a couple of different ROMs w/ the Spb apps.
could it be something that you've got installed and not the ROM itself? i had to do a little process of elimiation by installing basically one or two apps a day and seeing how it ran. things started going badly when the Spb apps were on there (Mobiel Shell, Time, Weather, Diary) so I haven't reinstalled them.
anyway, it could be something other than the ROM that is causing the instability.
regards,
mark

having multiple problems as well. cannot send text messages on cingular even after trying multiple fixes, frequent slowdowns, have had to soft reset at least once daily and also having problems with random lockups when charging. Going to reflash another rom.

having multiple problems as well. cannot send text messages on cingular even after trying multiple fixes, frequent slowdowns, have had to soft reset at least once daily and also having problems with random lockups when charging. Going to reflash another rom.

Am on Orange UK, and after running Black shadow for a while now I would rate it as the most stable ROM I have used. Admittedly I have only dabbled with some of the others, but have not felt the need to do more as am happy with what I have.
I did have an issue with SPB weather that others did not seem to have, but after romoving it, everything seems to be running fine. I soft reset every few days etc but I am happy with that.
Tis a bit strong to write BAD ROM with such certainty based on an individual experience, given that it works well for so many. Perhaps "This ROM did not work well for me" would be better.
Just a thought.

Sleuth255 said:
The 1.38 radio is pretty stable. However, if you are in the US, you might want to try upgrading it to the 1.40 radio which is AT&T optimized.
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May be it is the radio rom, I have now installed radio 1.38 then Black Shadow IV and will try it for a few days and see how it works.

Also crash
Also crash and then back to Black 3.5 rom is Stable!

Still the same even with Radio 1.38, Crash when connected to PC and deep sleep in standby.

Use to have same problems while running CE-Star. Virtually permanently freezing on making/receiving calls, sending SMS and simple operations with the device.
After manualy setting chinese character set (thanks to XDA-Devs WIKI ) the ROM is extremely stable. Even trying to "destroy" the system with multiple operations (calls, internet browsing, sync, installing new soft, etc.) do not freezes it - very stable.
Suspect in your case you are using software which makes some changes to the system, consequently destabilizes the ROM

marttin said:
Use to have same problems while running CE-Star. Virtually permanently freezing on making/receiving calls, sending SMS and simple operations with the device.
After manualy setting chinese character set (thanks to XDA-Devs WIKI ) the ROM is extremely stable. Even trying to "destroy" the system with multiple operations (calls, internet browsing, sync, installing new soft, etc.) do not freezes it - very stable.
Suspect in your case you are using software which makes some changes to the system, consequently destabilizes the ROM
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Hi,i am runing Black 3.0.1 and ce-star,like ou said freezing ,and my problem is when i use CE-STAR keyboard,it is Freezing too.where i can find the setting chinese charscter set?
thanks

Been running Black Shadow for 5 days, alongwith Radio 1.43, without any problem...

I've been running Black Shadow on T-mo US w/1.43 rom and I've had no problems.

I have been running Black Shadow since it was released and no problems so far.

chg1282002 said:
Hi,i am runing Black 3.0.1 and ce-star,like ou said freezing ,and my problem is when i use CE-STAR keyboard,it is Freezing too.where i can find the setting chinese charscter set?
thanks
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Use WIKI and SEARCH funstion
You can go first to http://wiki.xda-developers.com/ and click on Hermes. After that use SEARCH function with keyword "chinese". Should get the following page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WM5_Tweak_Language_Chinese
I am using for few days Black Shadow with 1.43 Radio, able to read Chinese Characters thanks to the described in WIKI method and no problems. Personaly I installed A4 input method as it serves me at best. I didn't change the registry manualy, but used the cab, it works perfect. Simply follow the instructions.
The only issue is that when serving internet with IE Chinese sites do not apear properly. Suppose it is needed additional fixing of the fonts in IE. Do not have time at present to explore the issue, but suppose to deal with it next week. In case you find a solution for IE please share the method on this thread-- Thanks
PS. Have tested Micrsoft Input -- simply do not works. Causes a lot of problems and destroys totaly the standard inputs

All,
I have been running this ROM for just under a week and the thing has been 100% solid - not a single problem.
I also agree with a previous statement in this thread, that to refer to the ROM as "BAD" based on a single attempt is somewhat unfair! Maybe it is this sort of thing that has forced some of the more senior Hermes developers away from this site and on to another location. Ever thought about it that way?
It is just my opinion, but we (all forum users) should do one of two things if we "chose" to use someone elses development. They are,
Acknowledge (privately or publically) the time and effort that has gone into producing something. The best way to do that is by constructive feedback even if the experience hasn't been as you expected
Say nothing if you can't make it constructive!
To place a one liner in a response with a "throw away" comment is about as useful to either the developer or the other forum users as.........well,..................no I won't go any further because it's not constructive
For the record - this version of the Black release has rectified a localised issue I was having with my WLAN that other version had not resolved.
If you chose to use it - great, join in. If not, equally great. Good luck with your chosen selection of ROM.
Rant end

marttin said:
Use WIKI and SEARCH funstion
You can go first to http://wiki.xda-developers.com/ and click on Hermes. After that use SEARCH function with keyword "chinese". Should get the following page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WM5_Tweak_Language_Chinese
I am using for few days Black Shadow with 1.43 Radio, able to read Chinese Characters thanks to the described in WIKI method and no problems. Personaly I installed A4 input method as it serves me at best. I didn't change the registry manualy, but used the cab, it works perfect. Simply follow the instructions.
The only issue is that when serving internet with IE Chinese sites do not apear properly. Suppose it is needed additional fixing of the fonts in IE. Do not have time at present to explore the issue, but suppose to deal with it next week. In case you find a solution for IE please share the method on this thread-- Thanks
PS. Have tested Micrsoft Input -- simply do not works. Causes a lot of problems and destroys totaly the standard inputs
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thanks a lot

WM6 ROM without "no wake up from sleep" ?

HI Guys!
I want to know if is there any WM6 rom that don't have the 'no wake up from sleep' problem. I rely a lot on my TyTN and is annoying some times to try to turn it on and realize it's hang and i missed a lot of important calls.
I tested two WM6 roms, and they got lot of issues. One got the "lost SD" problem and now I'm using Faria Superclean 3. Very good rom, but sometimes it dont wake up right. (the fix out there dosn't help)

I haven't had a SOD incident since going to my latest ROM which is based on the "official" build (CE 5.2.1437 build 17944.0.3.1). While cooking this ROM, I took great pains to leave the production power management software intact (including the "older style" battery status cpanel plugin).
I'm guessing that M$ fixed this issue and that all ROMs directly derived from the official build that haven't had the power management software modified either won't experience SOD at all or will exhibit greatly reduced SOD frequencies.

Never had that problem on vp3G 3.0

GldRush98 said:
Never had that problem on vp3G 3.0
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Same here.

GldRush98 said:
Never had that problem on vp3G 3.0
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How much time do you tested it? I got weeks without this problem and suddenly it happens twice in a day

shagratt any luck? have you found a fix?

from my understanding the problem was if you had your pop mail setting to automatically check for new mail, and it did it while the hermes was sleeping, it wouldn't wake up. when i put my settings to manual i stopped having the problem. what we need is for someone to confirm with the official wm6 rom or att wm6 rom if this problem still exist. if it doesn't then i'll think about switching from black 3.0.1. to something newer.

No issue with Dopod official ROM
Haven't had any SOD since running the official Dopod WM 6.0 since about a month ago. My ActiveSync settings are "As items arrive" always.
I did have it on a number of xda-forum builds previously on the same hardware and same microSD card ... so the official WM 6.0 seems to have fixed it.

fb401 said:
from my understanding the problem was if you had your pop mail setting to automatically check for new mail, and it did it while the hermes was sleeping, it wouldn't wake up. when i put my settings to manual i stopped having the problem. what we need is for someone to confirm with the official wm6 rom or att wm6 rom if this problem still exist. if it doesn't then i'll think about switching from black 3.0.1. to something newer.
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I dont use mail on the hermes
But my Weather home plugin perhaps is trying to update its data. Now I'm testing the settings to update it manually. (no hangs since I write this post)
What's annoy me is that I can be months without this and then it begin to happens frequently : o /

Since moving to the Dopod and official HTC rom I've had zero SOD's. I was getting them every hour at one point on black and on LSVW.
Neil.

SOD issues
Strangely enough, I didnt start experiencing SOD issues UNTIL I switched to the newer roms based on the "official" WM6 Rom...I had it with VP3G and eventually loaded Satin and the problems continued. Most of my problems seemed to be centered around shortcuts I had on my today screen for programs loaded on my sd card. After "waking" and trying to run some of the shortcuts it would take several tries or it would cause lockups or SODs. Boz pointed me to the following patch which has seemed to fix all the sd card shortcuts problems as well as the SODs I was experiencing. The only thing that seems to still cause SODs for me is if I am trying to download a large file directly to the sd card via the internet and the phone goes into standby it will still cause the SOD. But realistically I wouldnt be downloading large files like that very often, and if I have to I can just connect my usb charger or ac charger to make sure it doesnt go into standby.
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/local_links.php?action=jump&id=16&catid=6

I use 3g's WM6 and never had the SOD until I installed a podcast collector (smart-rss). Then, every morning when I woke up I had to play the game to get the phone working. Finally found it was easier to just hard reset and reload from the nightly backup that seems to still work. About a week ago I uninstalled SmartRSS and it hasn't had the SOD since. Certinly seems like the common thread here is for the phone to be doing data transferes while it is asleep.

Had a SOD once with Schaps 3.57a and it turned out that it was a
corrupted cemail.vol file which caused the trouble. After SR it started
first fine and than hung everytime when accessed the Messagin file
cemail.vol. After I created a new one on storage card and pointed
to it in registry and SR, deleted the old corrupted one the problem
did never occur since today. Puuuhhh...
I am absolutely sure that all SODs come from any corrupted databases
or incompatible programs which cause wakeup issues. The trick is to
find out what application is the culprit
Olioaglio

Love the ROMS, but please help with this HARD-reset problem?

Hi guys -
Loving all the ROMS available here, breathed new life into my p3600i, i've tried maybe 10 different ROMs in the past days.
Too many, but only because everytime i settle on one, it dies on me. i install all the apps i want on it, use it for 24hours or so, then out of nowhere, phone sort of freezes (not responding), i get impatient, memory leak maybe, then do a soft-reset via the stylus.
What happens next is it reboots, and restarts as if i've just flahsed the ROM (i.e. a hard-reset)!!! Can anybody tell me why this keeps happening no matter which ROM i use?
very frustrating, please advise...
I'm really looking to settle on one and use for at least a few weeks/months!
Thanks in advance!

gunnerxl said:
Hi guys -
Loving all the ROMS available here, breathed new life into my p3600i, i've tried maybe 10 different ROMs in the past days.
Too many, but only because everytime i settle on one, it dies on me. i install all the apps i want on it, use it for 24hours or so, then out of nowhere, phone sort of freezes (not responding), i get impatient, memory leak maybe, then do a soft-reset via the stylus.
What happens next is it reboots, and restarts as if i've just flahsed the ROM (i.e. a hard-reset)!!! Can anybody tell me why this keeps happening no matter which ROM i use?
very frustrating, please advise...
I'm really looking to settle on one and use for at least a few weeks/months!
Thanks in advance!
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Try running a Rom WITHOUT installing your apps and see if you still have the problem. If not, then add one program at a time until you discover which program is causing the problem.

Thanks for the reply, it's happened to me again, t his time whilst syncying with my exchange server it hung after about 5mins downloading (usually takes no more than 3 mins - I know cause it's the 10th time i've had to do it). Essentially these are the list of CABS i install:
1) SPB Pocket Plus
2) SPB Keyboard
3) SPB Back-up (only recently so i don't have to re-install apps)
4) PocketMusic
5) TomTom (off SD Card)
I've nailed it down to times where i'm running a memory intensive app (TOMTOM or Syncing using Outlook) where I use the stylus and do a soft-reset as screen has frozen up.
After that boom it's as if i did a hard-reset and have to configure/re-install from scratch!
I'm confused/frustrated!

argh it's happened again! this time i was not even doing anything special!
Could it have anything to do with: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=399779
> WARNING BEFORE FLASHING:
While most people have not had any problems, a small but consistent number have reported lockups with various ROMs, requiring either soft or hard resets, depending on the conflicting program.
Have backups of your data, and be prepared that something you install might break the ROM you have installed.
UPDATE: It seems like lockups are possible even with (practically) nothing installed - while they do seem to be less likely the less you install, apparently there does not seem to be any P3600i immune to this issue, whether full of programs or not. Note that the newer ROMs seem to be more stable
As much as I loved playing with the cooked ROMS, how do i go back to original HTC provided ROM?

i've not been able to download the official HTC ROM after putting in my phone's S/N. possibly because there were no p3600i ROMS listed so i had to go for a d810.
anyway, i'm now trying a WM6.0 ROM, will see how i go. for those that have been around long, was this ever an issue, i.e. p3600i users trying cooked WM6.1 ROMS with stability/hard-reset issues?

Unfortunately, I am using a standard P3600, so I cannot verify your issue. I just know how to diagnose simple things. I know that on my phone, added software is usually the issue.
I can verify TomTom runs fine on my phone, but I don't use the other 4. I do run SPB Mobile shell 2 and 3, and SPB Weather, without any problems.
Hopefully, somebody else can shed some light on this?
Good Luck gunnerxl

I can confirm the same issues, I have not found ONE cooked ROM that will let my p3600i last more than a month without a freeze of some type that requires a hard reset.
Search the forums for my posts on this, been here for ages trying every single ROM, all fail on my PDA.
I'm of the opinion that my PDA is actually faulty in the onboard RAM, because there are some seriously fine ROMs here and it would be close to impossible that all the ROMs end with the same fault.
All the ROM cookers here do a fantastic job, put in a great effort and I thank them.
Even the stock ROM for my PDA has failed me.
I have learned to use back ups and make sure I have all my contacts stored on 2 computers etc, to recover from a hard reset is no real issue to me, just an annoying glitch until I upgrade to the next PDA.
I have not been able to find a program that will functionally test the onboard RAM like what is available for an PC.
IMHO - if you can afford it, UPGRADE away from the p3600i, but this is CLEARLY a biased opinion.

try schaps WM6.0 ROM, been using for past 2 days without any hard-resets... it's possibly that our version of the p3600i's HAVE to use WM6.0, all the WM6.1/5 ROMS crashed out on me, i'll test with intensive usage for the next couple days and report back... hopefully no issues, any other WM6.0 ROMS available? I used the official list at top of this forum section...

gunnerxl said:
try schaps WM6.0 ROM, been using for past 2 days without any hard-resets... it's possibly that our version of the p3600i's HAVE to use WM6.0, all the WM6.1/5 ROMS crashed out on me, i'll test with intensive usage for the next couple days and report back... hopefully no issues, any other WM6.0 ROMS available? I used the official list at top of this forum section...
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I have tried Schaps, have tried them ALL as I previously stated.
All the ROMs available are the ones listed, there are no others that are known to WORK that have been supplied to THIS forum.

You won't get a custom ROM from here above WM6 for the P3600i that is stable. This is because HTC only supports up to WM6 on them. Why does this matter? A core component of any ROM you flash is the kernel for the phone. This is customised by HTC for the OS. I don't think any ROM 'cook' from here can provide real stability because the kernel doesn't support WM6 or above. For real stability someone has to modify the kernel file itself in the ROM.
So there are no stable 6.1's or 6.5's here. Me, stability is paramount, I'll stick with the official WM6 ROM.
The D810 official download of WM6 is the same one as for the P3600i. Indeed, you can only get it if you say your phone is a D810 on the Asia site.