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WM2005 sucks?

Looks like wm2005 still not very stable, a lot of programs still not working.
For example, Xbackup, set as ringtone or Monster Chinese, etc.

well alot of programs required new versions when 2003SE came out as well

ttseng said:
Looks like wm2005 still not very stable, a lot of programs still not working.
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Using it on my Imate for a month or more and no problem so far and no lock-ups like there were on WM2003SE

I think the title of this thread is misleading... :?
The fact that it does not run several applications or crashes is because:
1.- This version is not final
2.- It's not compatible because of it's very nature, IT'S A NEW OS!!!
The same happened when we upgraded our PCs to Windows XP don't you remember?
New versions will start to come up eventually, and even if you don't see any advances "right-out-of-the-box" it's because the main improvements on this OS reside behind the scenes, so Programmers will start to develop new and exciting apps that take advantage of the new features and APIs.
For me Windows Mobile 5.0 has been very stable even with the very first version that Buzz, Toe and the gang which had very limited memory resources I had no stability problems whatsoever.
There are limitations of course, (like no MMS, mediocre video camera, sms problems, etc) but eventually Microsoft OR our very own developers will take care of that!
So, BE PATIENT!!!!! :wink:

Hi,
Using it for 3 days in my Qtek 2020 and no problem at all.
Even Jabra250 works fine, when in 2003SE was difficult to setup.
About software that don't work, we must wait until new versions come out...
I'm sure when you update you computer from NT to W2K you has software that didn't work and had to buy new versions, so why should be different here?
Be patient.... Mobile5 is ok for now.
AF

if only we can fix the camera it would be Superb

Xeon said:
if only we can fix the camera it would be Superb
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if only we could run it on magician

some0NE said:
Xeon said:
if only we can fix the camera it would be Superb
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if only we could run it on magician
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i double that

Rayan & all the rest are right!!!
I can't agree less to what Rayan wrote.
It's a new OS and a beta for that matter (check out Goras thread on "WM2005 that I can share"), If I'm not mistaken it's not also intended for Himalaya, judging on the memory problems just solved(!) by Buzz, toenailed, XdaJojo, mamaich & all the other contributors as well.
Personally in my opinion its a lot 'solid' than the WM2003 & SE since it has to crash yet on my xda II, as mentioned by Rayan even the initial release of the OS with limited memory was stable.
The problems with the apps like backup & camera are being solved one-by-one, MMS which doesn't even start before is now working (check out the threads on WM2005 in the forum).
Even now, the benefits of using the OS in terms of performance, stability & looks far outweighs its limitations (in my humble opinion) just be patient & leave it to the WIZARDS (Buzz, toenailed, XdaJojo, etc. etc. etc).
Besides, hey ttseng this is the xda-developers forum & we all are having fun testing, tweaking, & breathing new life to our "soon to be outlawed" XDA II ....... if not for the WIZARDS in the forum !!!!! Notice the request for the OS on the other xda models, aren't we lucky we have the WiZARDS working on the HIMA? :lol:
Cheers!

works flawlessly on XDA2 Himalaya!!!!!!!!
best os and most stable one ive come across ,wm200se never really happy but this WM2005 is and has been stable without a single hard reset or rest since install.even self configured the o2email and hotmail!! took the o2 uk config & connections setup file from a XDA2s_1-12-178-WWE_UK_Extended_ Rom.

Is there more than one version of WM2005 kicking about?
I successfully installed WM2005 on my XDA II, but I couldn't get many 3rd party apps to install on it. So I was surprised to see screenshots with certain utilities running ok.
I was wondering if there is more than one version of it floating about on the net. The one I installed was found on these forums, but I have recently downloaded another off usenet.
They are both himalaya.
I am sure a non-beta copy will rear its head on here sooner rather than later (I hope!)
Cam

this version is in the ftp section ,the rom has a file name of
wm2k5_XDA2_HIMALAYA_O2_fullRAM.rar

Yep!
That's the one!

That would make both copies I have the same.
Is this a late BETA or even an RTM version?
Now that the OS has been officially released I am guessing it's a race for someone to post the released version ;-)

the official full version is released?
wow!
so when can we have it for download here?
i am planning to put off my upgrade till the full version comes out.
currently i am on the win2003se which i aint very happy with!
plz advise...
thanx everybody.

It out but you cant get it.
I have a friend who is a manger in Microsoft. I sent the MS link of the offical release and asked if it can be obtained from the internal web software store. At the moment it cant and I feel it will also never be the case (2003 the end user could never buy).
So we are back to the carriers and if they will ship 2005 as an upgrade for ood devices or only on new (MDA XDA IV).
Dont think one needs to be a rocket scintist to answer that, was not one of the devices never shipped with 2003, the way I remember it it was buz that did a Chines to English translation.
So at least w on the BA side have to wait untill something gets leaked.

A little help with WM2005 upgrade please!!!!!!!
I see that most people have upgraded to WM2005 without much trouble, but not me!! I am with o2 and I've just upgraded and I can't us GPRS (it keeps trying to dial 193.113.200.195 and then drops the conx even though the IP is entered in the APN section) I can't run Worldmate pro (not compatable), TOMTOM 3 (need to upgrade to ver 4.4) pick up email etc etc.
Could I have the details that you need to enter into your XDA to connect to o2 network via GPRS so that I can access hotmail, messenger, MMS, Internet etc etc
I hope you can help as I don't want to downgrade to the old windows version.

i can send u a O2 customisation cab file if u need ,however your phone must b on contract with O2UK not payg or orange etc..

Yes Please!!
That'll be great. yes I am with O2 contract.......

where is the awesome rom !!! please
iam running w2005 in my XD2..but still MANY applications cant be installed..and i was surprised to see the screenshot (above) with many applications runing ..BUT i couldnt find the ROM...i found only the one for XDA2s..."XDA2s_1-12-178-WWE_UK_Extended_ Rom" actually is a zipped file with no rom inside..just many cab files ..can anyone help me please...thanks guys

Has anyone got sling player mobile to work with WM6?

Any new development or fix for getting sling player mobile to work with wm6?
I thought i put a post yesterday about it, but it must have been deleted. I didn't add it to the XDA live or vanilla threads, since it doesn't seem to work on either version..SO i guess its just a WM6 thing..
Has anyone been able to get sling player mobile to work on any version of wm6?

No it is missing an audio codec or atleast the correct reference to it, we do no know which codec either.

I have the request in with engineers at sling, but no response. I am working through some other registry stuff but nothing yet.
-mix

Yea, I re-installed WM6 on my universal and tried sling and it doesn't work on that version of WM6 either. I called in a support ticket to sling and they were basically no help. Aware of the problem, but since WM6 is not officially released for hermes devices or universal devices, it was not high on their list to fix. Although, they admitted a future fix may become available. They said they hoped to have a fix available when WM6 devices become more officially released. And then may only work on the devices that are officially supported as WM6 devices.

We r keeping track of this over here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296058
it seems that whatever is TCPMP slingplayer from working is also messing with slingplayer.

eagle 1 said:
Yea, I re-installed WM6 on my universal and tried sling and it doesn't work on that version of WM6 either. I called in a support ticket to sling and they were basically no help. Aware of the problem, but since WM6 is not officially released for hermes devices or universal devices, it was not high on their list to fix. Although, they admitted a future fix may become available. They said they hoped to have a fix available when WM6 devices become more officially released. And then may only work on the devices that are officially supported as WM6 devices.
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What devices actually officially have WM6, we should call a trouble ticket on that. Tech support piss me off. They want to know which device so they can say it is unsupported, but really it is WM6 and not the device.

mixmaven said:
I have the request in with engineers at sling, but no response. I am working through some other registry stuff but nothing yet.
-mix
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I've upgraded my wing to wm6.1 and my slingplayer quit working as well. Now I'll post a note with sling media requesting an upgrade.
Edit: I tried the different fixes suggested in the referenced threads but they didn't work for me. It installs fine, it locates my box fine, tried to connect then errors. It did work on wm6 but not 6.1.

I have Sling Mobile working on WM6. Are you referring to 6.1? If you're talking about 6 then I'm not sure why mine works but I will be happy to list all of my specs.

afguard17 said:
I have Sling Mobile working on WM6. Are you referring to 6.1? If you're talking about 6 then I'm not sure why mine works but I will be happy to list all of my specs.
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Same here, it works fine for me on WM6, VP3G 3.62.3 firmware, radio 1.54.30.10....

I've got TNT 6.1 ROM loaded on my device and SlingPlayer works fine. There shouldn't be a problem with WM6 or WM6.1 that I've seen and I've flashed both versions in last few months and have used SlingPlayer. I'd make sure your passwords are all correct and that you are making sure you are using the admin password if that box is checked.

KingBoo said:
I've got TNT 6.1 ROM loaded on my device and SlingPlayer works fine. There shouldn't be a problem with WM6 or WM6.1 that I've seen and I've flashed both versions in last few months and have used SlingPlayer. I'd make sure your passwords are all correct and that you are making sure you are using the admin password if that box is checked.
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When I am connected to my wifi at home, I can connect fine on wm6.1. As soon as I go back to Edge (T-mobile) - it tells me it can't connect. Hmmm.
radio = 03.07.90

Sling Player
I have had no problems with Sling player on mine using any of the 6.0 or 6.1 versions so far. I am currently using Faria R32 and it streams just fine.

Please, please WM6 with working Blackberry Connect

I realize that BBC is very low on most people wish list here but until our company upgrades to Exchange 2007 later this year, I am forced to use the Blackberry Connect client if I am to carry my preciouse 8525 instead of a blackberry. I just got the BBC working on WM5 in 3G and am thrilled. However, having tasted the great WM6 Roms here, I must have it!
Does anyone have a good WM6 rom that the Blackberry Connect client actually works on without having to hack the OS? I'm fairly technical since I manage our IT facility and can reg edit, etc, but I don't feel too comfortable with the OS hacking I've seen in some threads to make the BBC client work. I am almost sure I'd brick my device.
If anyone could point me in the right direction I would be very grateful. Thanks for your time. - EH

BB Connect works fines for me.
First post, but have been reading the boards and enjoying the benefits for months.
I'm using the radio that was released with the Cingular 2.06 ROM, but it might work with others. I didn't have to do any OS tweaking. I just installed the Desktop Activesync program and the BB Connect for WM6 that came with WMXL v0.20 and everything worked. Of course, I called Cingular and had them change my data plan to the PDA Connect for BB Connect Unlimited.

So excuse my ignorance but I haven't been able to find this. You are using a radio version not included in the WMXL .20 rom? How do you keep your orignial rom? Oh, and thanks for the quick repoonse.

evilhomer said:
So excuse my ignorance but I haven't been able to find this. You are using a radio version not included in the WMXL .20 rom? How do you keep your orignial rom? Oh, and thanks for the quick repoonse.
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easy... you cook a Radio ONLY upgrade using Dutty's NBHTOOL1.0... you can find the thread by using the find function or reading the wiki...

WMXL v0.20 doesn't come with a radio upgrade. Using the Wiki, you can find the available radio upgrades, of which mine is one of them. Just flash the OS and the radio independently.

evilhomer said:
Does anyone have a good WM6 rom that the Blackberry Connect client actually works on without having to hack the OS? I'm fairly technical since I manage our IT facility and can reg edit, etc, but I don't feel too comfortable with the OS hacking I've seen in some threads to make the BBC client work. I am almost sure I'd brick my device.
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If you don't feel confortable I would say don't use any of these WM6 updates since NONE are official.
But if you want WM6.. Why not use WM XDA Live .20.
It's got the OS # changle already done to allow BBC..
(At least as far as I know.. I don't use it...)

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WMXL v0.20 doesn't come with a radio upgrade. Using the Wiki, you can find the available radio upgrades, of which mine is one of them. Just flash the OS and the radio independently.
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So let me see if I have have this correctly. I if I use the WMXL .20 rom, it will not change the radios? I will have the same radio verison after the upgrade or will need in reinstall the radios as well? Forgive my ignorace. I just want to make sure I have the right Cingular radio version to keep the Blackberry Connect going.

evilhomer said:
So let me see if I have have this correctly. I if I use the WMXL .20 rom, it will not change the radios? I will have the same radio verison after the upgrade or will need in reinstall the radios as well?
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only the OS will be changed. the rest u leave alone and will remain as was before an OS upgrade.

Depending on what you have now you probably want to upgrade the radio.
Not only will get better data connections as well as less problems.
But some WM6 things like the connection Icons require radio 1.27 or higher to work properly.

Ok. Thanks guys. I'll give that a go. The only concern I had was using a radio or OS version that locked out BBC. I have read the other users lost BBC connectivity after upgrading their OS to WM6. I would like to use the lastest radio versions for the improvment as long as they don't kill my BBC.
Thanks again for all of your responses.

BBC
try this maybe working for you

@EH
I am running WM6 v.21 and my radio, etc. is as in my sig. BBConnect was (briefly) an issue with WM6 on v.1, but since the update to .21 and the hacked BBConnect (also listed on the initial post) it works a treat.
Hope this helps - feel free to PM if you have any questions

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@EH
I am running WM6 v.21 and my radio, etc. is as in my sig. BBConnect was (briefly) an issue with WM6 on v.1, but since the update to .21 and the hacked BBConnect (also listed on the initial post) it works a treat.
Hope this helps - feel free to PM if you have any questions
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Thanks! Can you tell me what you mean by the "hacked BBConnect"?

@EH - sorry, I mean v.21 is hacked for BBConnect.
I run BBConnect client 2.1.2.31, but I also believe you can run .52 (someone correct me?). I had to dig around for .31 (.exe file, got it on local PC, so could email) but you can get .52 from the FTP on here.
Here's a link to a BBConnect thread that may help:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=294218

Ok. Cool. Could you email that to me? I am running .52 but it won't start. Also, I assume by v.21 you are using the WMXL v.21 or am I off on that? My email is [email protected]. Thanks again for your help.

I am also using BBConnect client v 2.1.2.31, works like a charm.

Well, I guess I'm beat. I have installed:
WXML v.20
Radio: 1.33.31.00
Rom Version: 3.22.110.1
Can't get it to work. :-(
Jakirkla: What version of BBConnect are you using?

Ok. I'm just freaking excited now! I did this reg edit that I found posted in another thread. It was in the LSVW build but I used it on the WMXL build and it worked. Not only that, but previously, my BBC would disconnect while I used the web, messaging, etc. And I had to wait awhile for the BBC to reconnect after the browsing was done. NOW, however, they are running simulatinously over the 3G network. The BBC icon stay completed connected and I receive mail WHILE web surfing. This was what I did.
Changed HKLM\System\Versions and edit the Aku string from .0.0.0 to .2.3.0
Restarted Hermes (holding power button)
Installed BBC 2.1.2.54
Install Blackberry Desktop 2.1.1.21 (for BES users)
Forgive me if this is old news but I haven't seen or heard of this working before. I'm so excited that I can seem to have BOTH services running now and on WM6. I'd like to thank everyone again for their reponses.

Hermes exclusive???
Hi man,
The ability to use both BB service and browse the internet is exclusive on the Hermes (because of HW capabilities) or can it be done in other PPCs?
I had never heard of such a thing until now!!! I am impressed...

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Well, I guess I'm beat. I have installed:
WXML v.20
Radio: 1.33.31.00
Rom Version: 3.22.110.1
Can't get it to work. :-(
Jakirkla: What version of BBConnect are you using?
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HAve you looked in the extras section for WMXL?? There is a version of BBC in there, I dont use it so im not sure if it will work but that is the one most people are using in WMXL, as said before the CE build version in WMXL v0.2.x was modded to allow for BBC to work?!

Advice on upgrading 8525 from Cingular

My boss has the 8525 from Cingular. We recently upgraded it to the latest WM5 rom and the thing works fine, except he can't get his gmail accounts to work anymore. I have a Treo 700wx myself and have messed with it a few times on stuff like this. But what I was wondering what is the most stable WM6 rom out there that we can upgrade to so it resolves that problem, BT problems he has as well?
And is there a way to go back to the original ROM? I can't seem to find a download of it anywhere. Thanks!

you might want to start reading here: and here
its imperative that you read through this very important links not unless you want to end up with an expensive paper weight.
also, before somebody starts to flame you with your "whats the best ROM question" (it has been covered here a million times) it really depends on what you want. again you need to patiently search through the forums for your answers. it definitely is there.. good luck..

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you might want to start reading here: and here
its imperative that you read through this very important links not unless you want to end up with an expensive paper weight.
also, before somebody starts to flame you with your "whats the best ROM question" (it has been covered here a million times) it really depends on what you want. again you need to patiently search through the forums for your answers. it definitely is there.. good luck..
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I have been searching for the past 2 hrs trying to figure out what ROM. There are so many I can not figure out which one to get. From people who have tried them I want to know for a CFO of the company which one is the most stable and works with AT&T. And how can I go back to the original ROM. Anyone have that ROM upgrade/downgrade available?

dude, you gotta read each ROM's thread... and see what people are saying about it... if it is a hermes rom then it will work for AT&T .. and you can ALWAYS go back to the original ROM by going to www.htcamerica.net and downloading it and installing it.

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My boss has the 8525 from Cingular. We recently upgraded it to the latest WM5 rom and the thing works fine, except he can't get his gmail accounts to work anymore. I have a Treo 700wx myself and have messed with it a few times on stuff like this. But what I was wondering what is the most stable WM6 rom out there that we can upgrade to so it resolves that problem, BT problems he has as well?
And is there a way to go back to the original ROM? I can't seem to find a download of it anywhere. Thanks!
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How was your boss accessing his gmail accounts prior to the WM5 upgrade?
i.e.
-Pocket Outlook
-the web (www.gmail.com)
-gmail java client
-Exchange Server (Google Apps)

Seriously, I have been testing most WM6 roms posted on this site for the same reasons. Our whole company uses 8525s.
I would NOT recommend ANY of them for corporate use. Let alone for my boss!
Wait for the 'official' Dopod 838Pro ROM out tomorrow.
http://www.asia.htc.com/asia/event/WM6/index.html

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I would NOT recommend ANY of them for corporate use. Let alone for my boss!
Wait for the 'official' Dopod 838Pro ROM out tomorrow.
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Yeah, I'm sure it'll be ready for prime time alright, especially for use with AT&T.
Seriously though, what are you people smoking when it comes to the fervor over this impending "official release"? I believe I'm having iPhone deja vu...

My 2 cents
Well the original poster was asking about what the best ROM was. I've tried a few of the WM6 ROMs and at least my 2 cents, the best has been vp3G's 2.01h. I had issues with the keys not lining up with othe versions - though was able to fix them with a patch. Also, vp3G's version has the data connections configured for AT&T - though you could possibly do that manually with other ROMs. I did have to install the other Cingular apps like MobiTV and XM radio that wasn't included in his ROM.
Before I upgraded to vp3G's ROM (I didn't keep the other WM6 ROMs for very long so I can't speak to their stability), but on the 2.15 "official HTC" upgrade for the 8525, I was resetting my phone daily - some days multiple times - but I seldom have to reset my phone now. Bluetooth also has improved. I have a logitech bluetooth stereo adapter which was hit or miss before when I tried to sync the two. Now it syncs without any issues. There's also the added benefit of a registry editor, as well as addition tweak settings included in the ROM.
Great work vp3G! - got my 3 other friends with 8525's to take the plunge and upgrade as well.

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I have been searching for the past 2 hrs trying to figure out what ROM. ...clip...
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2hrs is not nearly enough.
Try a minimum of 12hrs.
(read, research, search, read, search, read)
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...clip... And how can I go back to the original ROM.
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And now you'll need to set aside another 2-4hrs.
Wait until all your symbols are messed up.
(easy fix - but that question gets asked over and over)
If you're like alot of new people here, you will just start a new thread on every possible question you could have.
Happy Learning.

pimpin-tl said:
My boss has the 8525 from Cingular. We recently upgraded it to the latest WM5 rom and the thing works fine, except he can't get his gmail accounts to work anymore. I have a Treo 700wx myself and have messed with it a few times on stuff like this. But what I was wondering what is the most stable WM6 rom out there that we can upgrade to so it resolves that problem, BT problems he has as well?
And is there a way to go back to the original ROM? I can't seem to find a download of it anywhere. Thanks!
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If everything is ok only except his gmail. Please check the gmail setting.
In the gmail setting, there is a "forward & pop", check the pop.

I just pruned the living hell out of this thread to keep it technical. Any more OT crap and I start handing out bans.....
Those of you whose posts were deleted: You've been warned...
geez....

Anyhoo....
I've been running my company's 8525 equipped execs on WM6 for over a month w/o complaints. In fact, they love it. We've also been able to mass upgrade to Office 2K7 because of this since the ROM I'm loading has Mobile Office 2K7 installed and can read native attachments.
We use direct push to Exchange 2k3 currently.
I'm also keeping the security folks at bay with WM6's SD encryption capabilities.

No worries Sleuth, apologies. It got crazily out of hand, I thought my posts were pretty low key. Sorry.
Anyway, I hope you don't mind me reposting some of the relevant info minus the BS. I think it has merit.
As stated, I still think WM6 is not ready for an environment where high reliability is required.
The latest WM5 AT&T ROM works flawlessly with MS Push for all 35 of our 8525 users. It does not stop syncing.
I have tried most current WM6 ROMS and MS Push will occasionally stop syncing at some point we find.
We are a large corporation and tested the 8525s thoroughly for MS Push before dumping Goodlink and moving to MS. We still have 250 Blackberries in the UK which will also be migrating to MS push/Hermes. (MS did it like they always do, take someone else's idea, offer it free and wipe out the competition!)
I'm not implying the official AT&T ROM is perfect, far from, the one big bug is that PIE will stop showing pages and device then needs a reboot.
But the killer app for us is MS Push and that works as we need it to.
Thus, I am hoping that the official HTC/Dopod WM6 ROM does indeed work better than the current 'cooked' WM6 roms. Fingers crossed!

Sleuth255 said:
Anyhoo....
I've been running my company's 8525 equipped execs on WM6 for over a month w/o complaints. In fact, they love it. We've also been able to mass upgrade to Office 2K7 because of this since the ROM I'm loading has Mobile Office 2K7 installed and can read native attachments.
We use direct push to Exchange 2k3 currently.
I'm also keeping the security folks at bay with WM6's SD encryption capabilities.
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Really?! That's good news! Which ROM and what Radio ver?
I find that using EDGE/GPRS and not 3G improves battery life considerably and minimizes the stops in syncing.
Does your WM6 ROM not stop syncing using push at all then?!
I'd really appreciate any info you can give me.
Cheers.
I agree, SD encryption along with remote wipe is a plus.

There is an issue with the RTM CommManager that appears to affect direct push. The WM6 release our execs run pre-dates this. Direct push is completely stable.
That being said, I'd hold on WM6 updates in your case until you get a chance to test the ROM I'm currently working on. I know how to fix the sync bug but have several options. See the latest posts in my current ROM thread (click on my sig) for more information on this.

Sleuth255 said:
I just pruned the living hell out of this thread to keep it technical. Any more OT crap and I start handing out bans.....
Those of you whose posts were deleted: You've been warned...
geez....
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Thanks for the clean-up Sleuth.
I can confirm that the Sleuth ROM is indeed stable enough for a corporate environment. Looking forward to the next release.

Sleuth255 said:
There is an issue with the RTM CommManager that appears to affect direct push. The WM6 release our execs run pre-dates this. Direct push is completely stable.
That being said, I'd hold on WM6 updates in your case until you get a chance to test the ROM I'm currently working on. I know how to fix the sync bug but have several options. See the latest posts in my current ROM thread (click on my sig) for more information on this.
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Thanks Sleuth!
Well, am testing the new Dopod ROM. It seems they left the old CommManager in that too, obviously for the reason you just mentioned. I have good hopes for this new ROM.
Thanks again.

Update - so far so good! This Dopod ROM looks promising. have been using all day. No stops in Syncing. Lets see how it pans out when I take the subway home. Always the decider as to whether it will start syncing when I come out.

Which WM6 ROM for VOIP/SIP

Hello guys
I'll be the first to admit this is a newbie question, but I don't have the energy to try every ROM and every SIP solution, can someone recommend a WM6 SIP solution thats working for them, ideally I want to use the built in WM6 SIP system as an additional app is just a bit clumsy.
Cheers, this information is invaluable for a lot of people I imagine, I want to go install AX3Ls but it mentions it doens't do SIP.
Thanks again
Ed

With a 30 secs search, you would have found (among others) this, for the native SIP capabiliy:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316853&highlight=shaps
For an external, more complete and stable application, try Sjphone -> google

riri22 said:
With a 30 secs search, you would have found (among others) this, for the native SIP capabiliy:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316853&highlight=shaps
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This is just a voip config tool, package is missing over there.
And even if this guy is at his first post, his question is a good question and I can not answer: I don't know any rom for trinity with a serious voip capability.
Ciao

Is the VOIP support built into every build of WM6 then? You just need to install a cab and config tool to get it up and running?
I'd really like to here peoples experiences, I'm not aiming for anything to adventurous just want it to hook up to a voip service when it sees my wifi.
Cheers
Ed

edpgc said:
Is the VOIP support built into every build of WM6 then? You just need to install a cab and config tool to get it up and running?
I'd really like to here peoples experiences, I'm not aiming for anything to adventurous just want it to hook up to a voip service when it sees my wifi.
Cheers
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You can find a post full of reply here with a lot of information...
I'm still using fring for voip calls because with trinity and wm6 there is a problem with a driver. But some people say voip is fully functional for them.. but as to me they don't really use it.
Voip support in built into wm6, but OEM have to provide their drivers and dopod didn't released it.
Ciao

claros said:
This is just a voip config tool, package is missing over there.
And even if this guy is at his first post, his question is a good question and I can not answer: I don't know any rom for trinity with a serious voip capability.
Ciao
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The package of dll etc. is already present on wm6. Most of the people who dont see it is because they haven't activated their explorer to see all files. But if you think it's necessary for some ROM, not the Dopod one I can confirm, the wm6VoIP.cab package is everywhere on the forum...
Nobody said his question was bad or wrong, I just said that a universal config tool and feature package was available on the forum, and findable after a quick search.
As far as which ROM is best for VoIP, I think nobody has tried the hundred of ROM available to give an objective and comprehensive answer.
As far as I am concerned, I tried VoIP on only one ROM, the dopod one. It works not too bad, but just as a complementary feature as he said himself.
Third party's sofware with all the complete package and optimisation will always works better. That's why I suggested Sjphone...
Anything wrong with me answering that?

I'm using fring as well at the moment. It's pretty cool. Works with skype too!

I've heard that Fring wasn't working on Trinity, due to mic problems.
Can you confirm that the other person can hear you well, when calling landlines with Fring?
(using Fring SIP features)

riri22 said:
The package of dll etc. is already present on wm6. Most of the people who dont see it is because they haven't activated their explorer to see all files. But if you think it's necessary for some ROM, not the Dopod one I can confirm, the wm6VoIP.cab package is everywhere on the forum...
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Hum...
I never use explorer.... Actually I don't have an official dopod rom but I can do a search on all the files on the extracted rom. Please have a look at the attachment.
Ciao

never heard of fring until now, its very neat, a bit cosmetically confused, but should be a very neat solution!

claros said:
Hum...
I never use explorer.... Actually I don't have an official dopod rom but I can find a search on all the included files on the extracted rom. Please have a look at the attachment
Ciao
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Yeah, I see that. But all I can say is that, once installed, when I browse the windows main directory, I can find all the files listed as necessary for the native SIP feature to work.
ipdialplan.xml
dnsapi.dll
voipphonecanvas.dll
rtcdll.dll
Dopod SEA inside
But that's not the point anyway, as I said, there are something like 10 differents threads that includes the pack wm6voip.cab for those who don't have the sip files natively. And it's findable with a 30 secs search...
But u'll need also the configuration tool to set up your sip account.

riri22 said:
I've heard that Fring wasn't working on Trinity, due to mic problems.
Can you confirm that the other person can hear you well, when calling landlines with Fring?
(using Fring SIP features)
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It is still a beta I think but seem to work, even if it is very slow especially if you have a lot of contacts to import. But sjphone doesn't have this feature.
Both (fring and sjphone) lacks of dialplan and number rewriting rules.
I think you have installed vm6voip in your dopod, so you can find voip files. If we had a really working rtcdll.dll for trinity we shouldn't use such programs for internet telephony. If you think I'm wrong, please post your rtcdll.dll so I can check version and functions.
As to me Dopod, as a gsm carrier, didn't provide this package for customers. I hope in the future htc wwe release it will be present.
Ciao

claros said:
It is still a beta I think but seem to work, even if it is very slow especially if you have a lot of contacts to import. But sjphone doesn't have this feature.
Both (fring and sjphone) lacks of dialplan and number rewriting rules.
I think you have installed vm6voip in your dopod, so you can find voip files. If we had a really working rtcdll.dll for trinity we shouldn't use such programs for internet telephony. If you think I'm wrong, please post your rtcdll.dll so I can check version and functions.
As to me Dopod, as a gsm carrier, didn't provide this package for customers. I hope in the future htc wwe release it will be present.
Ciao
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I've never said native SIP was working great on Trinity, I've just said the contrary: as the first poster of the thread stated, it can only be an alternative solution, but the third parties software (with all features AND optimizations included will always work better)
The reason is very simple:
It's not only a matter of rtcdll, it has more to do with the settings, specially the codecs one.
It is possible to fix though, but then It requires many additional tweaks, and I don't think it's worth the effort, since the third parties sofwares are there and working.
P.S.: I don't understand why you are so insistant on one file...
there are 4 of them dedicated to native SIP service. As I said, I think I had them all, before installing wm6voip.cab patches.
But the point is for any one missing one of them, or leazy to check, there are 10 wm6voip.cab on this forum to get them all installed in one click.
As I stated before: wm6voip.cab, and several SIP configuration tools are available on the forum.
After trying some of them, I like the shap's one and suggested it to the author of the thread.
But I confirm: none of them as perfect-already-ready-sound-quality
U need to tweak your codecs, according to your SIP provider requirements.

claros said:
It is still a beta I think but seem to work, even if it is very slow especially if you have a lot of contacts to import. But sjphone doesn't have this feature.
Both (fring and sjphone) lacks of dialplan and number rewriting rules.
I think you have installed vm6voip in your dopod, so you can find voip files. If we had a really working rtcdll.dll for trinity we shouldn't use such programs for internet telephony. If you think I'm wrong, please post your rtcdll.dll so I can check version and functions.
As to me Dopod, as a gsm carrier, didn't provide this package for customers. I hope in the future htc wwe release it will be present.
Ciao
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I don't think so.
For having tried both, I can confirm Fring do have number rewriting rules. It works great.
(my sip provider requires the numbers to start with 00. My contacts are recorded with + not 00.
Therefore, when I use the regular dialpad and native SIP features, it gives me an error.
But when I use Fring, it convert the numbers automatically, and and I can call through.
My only concern with Fring, was to make sure that the other person can hear me when I use the SIP features.
I don't have the confirmation. When I use the test call feature, It doesn't seem to hear me and cannot record my voice.
Since my account is not credited (big bug with the provider console on the net) I can't make sure about it.
Except if there is someone using voipbdiscount wanting to test.
Bye

I found that fring works fine. I haven't tried sip through it as yet but the fring test call worked fine (test call is just like the Skype test call).
It is pretty easy to download and test it anyway. Very easy to set up. I tried some other sip software recently and found them all far too complex to get up and running.

Thanks for the info.
I may try again and see whether or not the test-call feature can record my voice this time.
Yeah, Fring is simple to set up and it's great to have msn/skype/and sip provider in the same interface.

I strongly disagree that the Trinity problem is codec related. I tried different VOIP solutions with 4 SIP providers and NONE of them gave me reliable results.
I still hope the final HTC WM6 will include proper VOIP since I seriously doubt your "its the codec's fault"-story.

ZakMcRofl said:
I strongly disagree that the Trinity problem is codec related. I tried different VOIP solutions with 4 SIP providers and NONE of them gave me reliable results.
I still hope the final HTC WM6 will include proper VOIP since I seriously doubt your "its the codec's fault"-story.
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Sorry but inside the official european tytn wm6 there is no voip support.
As tytn and trin are brother I dubt voip will be supported on an official htc european rom, if any...
As to me, from past investigations, the problem is on an audio driver that can not access the system speaker, but the system modify itself after first use and I cant understand why...
I've found some device identifier in the registry under RTC, seem to work only by earpiece and locks if I try to use a bt earpiece..
Can't remember anything else, and I haven't enough time to investigate more...
Ciao

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