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WM2005 sucks?

Looks like wm2005 still not very stable, a lot of programs still not working.
For example, Xbackup, set as ringtone or Monster Chinese, etc.

well alot of programs required new versions when 2003SE came out as well

ttseng said:
Looks like wm2005 still not very stable, a lot of programs still not working.
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Using it on my Imate for a month or more and no problem so far and no lock-ups like there were on WM2003SE

I think the title of this thread is misleading... :?
The fact that it does not run several applications or crashes is because:
1.- This version is not final
2.- It's not compatible because of it's very nature, IT'S A NEW OS!!!
The same happened when we upgraded our PCs to Windows XP don't you remember?
New versions will start to come up eventually, and even if you don't see any advances "right-out-of-the-box" it's because the main improvements on this OS reside behind the scenes, so Programmers will start to develop new and exciting apps that take advantage of the new features and APIs.
For me Windows Mobile 5.0 has been very stable even with the very first version that Buzz, Toe and the gang which had very limited memory resources I had no stability problems whatsoever.
There are limitations of course, (like no MMS, mediocre video camera, sms problems, etc) but eventually Microsoft OR our very own developers will take care of that!
So, BE PATIENT!!!!! :wink:

Hi,
Using it for 3 days in my Qtek 2020 and no problem at all.
Even Jabra250 works fine, when in 2003SE was difficult to setup.
About software that don't work, we must wait until new versions come out...
I'm sure when you update you computer from NT to W2K you has software that didn't work and had to buy new versions, so why should be different here?
Be patient.... Mobile5 is ok for now.
AF

if only we can fix the camera it would be Superb

Xeon said:
if only we can fix the camera it would be Superb
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if only we could run it on magician

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Xeon said:
if only we can fix the camera it would be Superb
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if only we could run it on magician
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i double that

Rayan & all the rest are right!!!
I can't agree less to what Rayan wrote.
It's a new OS and a beta for that matter (check out Goras thread on "WM2005 that I can share"), If I'm not mistaken it's not also intended for Himalaya, judging on the memory problems just solved(!) by Buzz, toenailed, XdaJojo, mamaich & all the other contributors as well.
Personally in my opinion its a lot 'solid' than the WM2003 & SE since it has to crash yet on my xda II, as mentioned by Rayan even the initial release of the OS with limited memory was stable.
The problems with the apps like backup & camera are being solved one-by-one, MMS which doesn't even start before is now working (check out the threads on WM2005 in the forum).
Even now, the benefits of using the OS in terms of performance, stability & looks far outweighs its limitations (in my humble opinion) just be patient & leave it to the WIZARDS (Buzz, toenailed, XdaJojo, etc. etc. etc).
Besides, hey ttseng this is the xda-developers forum & we all are having fun testing, tweaking, & breathing new life to our "soon to be outlawed" XDA II ....... if not for the WIZARDS in the forum !!!!! Notice the request for the OS on the other xda models, aren't we lucky we have the WiZARDS working on the HIMA? :lol:
Cheers!

works flawlessly on XDA2 Himalaya!!!!!!!!
best os and most stable one ive come across ,wm200se never really happy but this WM2005 is and has been stable without a single hard reset or rest since install.even self configured the o2email and hotmail!! took the o2 uk config & connections setup file from a XDA2s_1-12-178-WWE_UK_Extended_ Rom.

Is there more than one version of WM2005 kicking about?
I successfully installed WM2005 on my XDA II, but I couldn't get many 3rd party apps to install on it. So I was surprised to see screenshots with certain utilities running ok.
I was wondering if there is more than one version of it floating about on the net. The one I installed was found on these forums, but I have recently downloaded another off usenet.
They are both himalaya.
I am sure a non-beta copy will rear its head on here sooner rather than later (I hope!)
Cam

this version is in the ftp section ,the rom has a file name of
wm2k5_XDA2_HIMALAYA_O2_fullRAM.rar

Yep!
That's the one!

That would make both copies I have the same.
Is this a late BETA or even an RTM version?
Now that the OS has been officially released I am guessing it's a race for someone to post the released version ;-)

the official full version is released?
wow!
so when can we have it for download here?
i am planning to put off my upgrade till the full version comes out.
currently i am on the win2003se which i aint very happy with!
plz advise...
thanx everybody.

It out but you cant get it.
I have a friend who is a manger in Microsoft. I sent the MS link of the offical release and asked if it can be obtained from the internal web software store. At the moment it cant and I feel it will also never be the case (2003 the end user could never buy).
So we are back to the carriers and if they will ship 2005 as an upgrade for ood devices or only on new (MDA XDA IV).
Dont think one needs to be a rocket scintist to answer that, was not one of the devices never shipped with 2003, the way I remember it it was buz that did a Chines to English translation.
So at least w on the BA side have to wait untill something gets leaked.

A little help with WM2005 upgrade please!!!!!!!
I see that most people have upgraded to WM2005 without much trouble, but not me!! I am with o2 and I've just upgraded and I can't us GPRS (it keeps trying to dial 193.113.200.195 and then drops the conx even though the IP is entered in the APN section) I can't run Worldmate pro (not compatable), TOMTOM 3 (need to upgrade to ver 4.4) pick up email etc etc.
Could I have the details that you need to enter into your XDA to connect to o2 network via GPRS so that I can access hotmail, messenger, MMS, Internet etc etc
I hope you can help as I don't want to downgrade to the old windows version.

i can send u a O2 customisation cab file if u need ,however your phone must b on contract with O2UK not payg or orange etc..

Yes Please!!
That'll be great. yes I am with O2 contract.......

where is the awesome rom !!! please
iam running w2005 in my XD2..but still MANY applications cant be installed..and i was surprised to see the screenshot (above) with many applications runing ..BUT i couldnt find the ROM...i found only the one for XDA2s..."XDA2s_1-12-178-WWE_UK_Extended_ Rom" actually is a zipped file with no rom inside..just many cab files ..can anyone help me please...thanks guys

What do you gain with WM6?

I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?

Just the faster navi and app run speed will make u wanna upgrade. btw..seems to be more stable than WM5.
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I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?
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Here's a MS press release that you can check out:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/feb07/02-11WM6SoftwarePR.mspx
As far as which WM6 d/l's out there, you can refer to the stickies in this forum or the wiki.

Your device will faster, stable, nice icons, you get all the benefits from the new upgrade pointed to you and its feels like a new PPC at zero cost.

It's faster!
I can also confirm, that WM6 is much more faster (my subjective impression is about 1.5 to 2 times faster).
And it looks better
soniX

Can somebody post a benchmark, so we can measure the benefit of WM6.
Still there are many bugs, and different bugs in the WM6-ROMs.
Speed & Style aren't the only quality-attributes!

PostDeals said:
I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?
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popularity amongst your geeky collegues.

A resume about WM6 / Exchnage 2007
A resume about WM6 / Exchnage 2007

If you're coming from the stock cingular rom (1.34), everything just feels a lot faster, and much more stable. You'd have to spend some time reading to get some of your cingular specific settings back. A lot of those settings are floating around the boards.
If you're after all inclusive, it looks like threedes released a rom with several added programs. If you just want a rom that feels like stock cingular, check out lvsw. that's what i'm running on my 8525, and it's great.

Some additional functionality as well. One of the small yet convenient features is the ease of which you can add a recently called number to existing contacts. in wm5 i would have to start as if creating a new contact and copy and paste the number to a new one. just my penny and a half

After a week with WM6 I've decided to go back to South African ROM 1.35 and Radio ROM 1.27.
Just too many bugs and minor flaws with WM6 I tried I just felt it ain't worth the hustle. ROM 1.35 was as fast and more stable with programs than WM6 was.
I will just kick back and wait for a possible REAL WM6 rom to appear from operators or something. Better to have a stable phone with less pretty icons than a flashy looking pda with bugs.
And since you can gain pretty much everything (xcept for those icons) with tweaks/utils I haven't really found WM6 to be any better.

But isn't WM6 at least twice as fast on your tytn? Mine is and this is a big benefit. Changed again from the e61 to the tytn..
SPB Soft works like a charm.. BT and WIFi do work with WPA2.. Vodafone works great as well.. Never had a more clear sound..
I wouldn't like to change back..

My personal view is that WM6, at least the version I have used, is no faster then the WM5 I was using. I think the reason people always claim the new ROM's are faster is because it is a clean install, the same thing happens with Windows on your PC.
Apart from lots of small tweaks here and there, there is nothing major in WM6 with the exception of the themed bars being more curvy. It's more of a WM5 with a couple of service packs to me. Still, worth a look.

Definitely noticed a significant improvemnt in responsiveness on my M3100.
Also, less phone lockups /issues I think.(subjective judgement)

steiale said:
But isn't WM6 at least twice as fast on your tytn? Mine is and this is a big benefit. Changed again from the e61 to the tytn..
SPB Soft works like a charm.. BT and WIFi do work with WPA2.. Vodafone works great as well.. Never had a more clear sound..
I wouldn't like to change back..
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Well this 1.35 ROM is as fast as WM6 I had. The AKU 3.3 ROM version I had was slow as hell. Speed wasn't the reason to change back from WM6 but the annoying little bugs:
- Windows Update wouldn't close but using Task Manager
- Turn WiFi Off from the balloon
- TomTom 6 ocassional start up problems
- Soft key setup's little change under Text Messages (Where it used to be New now had Delete)
- Pocket MSN/Live problems (constantly tried to open the GPRS connection after sign off and closing the app).
- SPB Backup problem (couldn't unlock a file)
- WiFi annoyance: Even when there were available APs, the
phone didn't announce it but you had to manually go see if there were any
These problems (that I remember off hand) are the reason why Im not going to use WM6 anymore until some legimit party releases one.

@Steiale: You said WPA2 works. Does that mean you can use WPA-AES encryption? If so: what exact version of WM6 are you using - vanilla, ...?
Thanks in advance,
Michael

Can somebody post a benchmark to compare?
2x faster, 1,5x faster isn't much representative.
If a Rom or Radio upgrade is released the signal strenght is always better and always faster and much better battery duration.
If it really was so, we should all have 365 days battery lifetime without charging and always full signal strenght and the program is opened before pressing a button.

Since upgrading to wm6 the most significant changes for me is that it runs faster than wm5 and the pocket outlook (messaging) now does html email

steiale said:
BT and WIFi do work with WPA2...
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Which wm6 rom are you using?
WPA2 is important to me, and would be a reason to upgrade. You do mean WPA2 with AES?
Are these things improved on the mailclient:
- selection of smtp at time of sending (like is possible on symbian), or support for different smtp profiles
- specification of the imap root folder
- bluetooth pan (would love to use this to connect my laptop via tytn to 3G)
Thanks!
Jörg

Well, after just 1 week, WM6(Most Beautiful Edition) seems
1) much, mush faster than before. Faster than my friends WM5 on Dopod838Pro(Hermes).
2)more RAM even
3)Hmm, looks like I am the only one who likes the delete softkey in messaging replacing the new... Probably because I just use SMS...
4)Stable.
5)Faster reboot(useful if you tend to try new software almost every other day).
6)Widcomm can now power up easier(less or no driver memory error). Yeah, for me, the MS Bluetooth stack still sucks for A2DP).. File transfer seem more faster too, probably a pyschological effect from the faster interface..

Whats the most stable??

Hello all,
With all the awesome chef's in the kitchen it is hard to ask this question... but I will.
I would like to know what the most stable WM6 rom is, In your opinion.
I have used Black 2.0... for 2 weeks (seemed flawless)
Then I tried Tried 2.5 then LVSW, and even Custel's ROM but get random freezes, I grab the phone and its froze, missed how many calls?? I can't have this.
Something I might be doing you say, possible but I have even installed no additional apps, and only sync to exchange. I see others having some various issues with differnet roms. So this prompted me to ask the question I have.
So whats the most stable ROM?

i use black 2.5 with his new memory.cab and works great no problems. what programs are you using b/c it may be related to them. maybe use sktools to delete some unneccesary programs from starting on boot and go from there.

Black 1.2 with a weeks+ of working it to perfection. No need to flash anything else for me until WM7 comes out. lol

Coming back to a froze device sounds like you have the sd card lockups, and not rom related, but if you dont have a card installed, dismiss my post.

I was using Black 2.5, I have a lot of freezes in particular when I activeSync and I do activeSync A LOT, (freeze about every 3rd time I activeSync). A few miss call, and call which I have no audio.
I switch to LVSW 4/23 (FULL version), currently with the same applications installed on Black 2.5, my phone seems to be running well, no freezes yet for half a day already. (ActiveSync more than 10 times already)
I am not saying there is any problem with Black 2.5 rom. A lot of people are very happy with Black 2.5. What I am simply saying is that with the set of applications that I need (a few of them are beta apps), LVSW seems more compatibility than Black.
P.S. Using PhoneAlarm, PocketInformat, CEStar, ISilo, Cyberon Voic Speed Dial, and SplashID

I've had no freezing issues, only app I install is im+

I am running Black 2.5 and I too am having similar ActiveSync problems. And it freezes every third time as well. Strange....
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I was using Black 2.5, I have a lot of freezes in particular when I activeSync and I do activeSync A LOT, (freeze about every 3rd time I activeSync). A few miss call, and call which I have no audio.
I switch to LVSW 4/23 (FULL version), currently with the same applications installed on Black 2.5, my phone seems to be running well, no freezes yet for half a day already. (ActiveSync more than 10 times already)
I am not saying there is any problem with Black 2.5 rom. A lot of people are very happy with Black 2.5. What I am simply saying is that with the set of applications that I need (a few of them are beta apps), LVSW seems more compatibility than Black.
P.S. Using PhoneAlarm, PocketInformat, CEStar, ISilo, Cyberon Voic Speed Dial, and SplashID
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Previously I was using Black 2.0 and never had one freeze. But since I upgraded to 2.5 I get random freezes like couple times a day, I suspect this could be due to the new OS build? Once I have time I would probably reflash it back to 2.0 cuz it's rock stable for me.

Black 2.5 is working sweet as for me.
Couple of freezes with LVSW and XDA Live, but nothing major, i had freezes with the OEM rom, its just what phones and computers seem to do these days!!
I;ll stay Black, but at the end of the day, use the rom, which you think you will get the best community support, has the best community friendliness and if you ever do have troubles, you shouldnt be troubles trying to fix them!

keep in mind that these ROMs are essentially beta (even if based upon the "final" WM6). they do not undergo the rigorous testing that a carrier would provide.
if you are unwilling to deal with this (and RTFW for answers), then you might be better sticking with the factory shipping WM5 roms...

I like Custel's rom, support is there, and rom is quick n smooth

LVSW 4/23
The full version of LVSW 4/23 is the most stable so far for me. This is the first of the WM6 ROMS I can open and run Netfront, Newsbreak, Pocket IE, Messaging, Camera, Resco Explorer, get a phone call at the same time and still have no freezing. I did a little tweaking to it, but out of the gate it is just fine. All I really needed to install in the Keyboard fix and the Cingular settings.

noop, the reason you freeze alot or crashes alot is becoz of CE-Star..all i know is LVSW does not have the problem, but all other rom does...
Don't use the one from WM5, i remember there is a lite version on this fourm (topic x01ht showing chinese or sth)
Why i know, coz i just install ce-star on black, it will never work..it will crash almost anything...The guy who made the lite has a re-edit version of Ce-star for crossbow, that you have to try your own..since all i need is viewing~

They are all good!
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...but at the end of the day, use the rom, which you think you will get the best community support, has the best community friendliness...
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We are all one big happy community here at XDA Developers!
For me with the earlier round of ROMS LVSW 4/23 worked the best. Zero problems. Haven't finished trying out the latest batch yet so I can't say. The bottom line is that with these ROMS you really do have to try them all and make your decision on which one best meets your needs when coupled with the software that you use.
All of these cooks are turning out some nice ROMs, the problems are more frequently caused by programs that are not yet certified for WM6 and the cooks, of course, have no control over this.

I would also suggest not to use any program to clean your OS, e.g. memory maid as it seems become unstable for all rom after cleaning the system with this kind of software.

Hi all,
Thanks for all your responses. I agree support from this forum family is awesome. I also agree with trying several roms to find the one that best fits my needs (but I don't yet know what they are, I just moved from a treo 650, and prior was a treo 600)
I am on LVSW now, I will try it for a bit and see how it goes. I do like Custels as well... Hmmm decisions, decisions. lol
Well thanks again for your responses and thant you Chefs for all your diligent work. You're the Kings in my book.

Comparison Page???
Would it be posible for the creators of the roms to tell us ALL of the bells and whistles that each of them has on it, and someone could compile a chart or page to compare them all? Obviously, the Voice Dial function is important to me, and I dig the Space Invaders, but there is so much more. I would be glad to do it if I could get the info on each with which to begin. As for Stability; is there a way to do a survey that would allow us to rate them according to the opinion of the users here regarding speed of boot/reset and stability and whatever anyone else can think of?
I recently moved to the Dutty Premier Windows Mobile 6 - Full Edition - Version 1 and So far I am very happy with it. And it appears to have all the tools and toys I want and need . . . so far.
Thanks,

If one doesn't already exist, someone please set up a wiki page for comparisons and we'll sticky it.
V

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If one doesn't already exist, someone please set up a wiki page for comparisons and we'll sticky it.
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This is the best there is at the moment.
Not my work just bringing it to your attn
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Cooked_ROMs
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Custel Cingular 1.2
The only WM6 ROM I have upgraded to is Custel's Cingular 1.2. It was a problem free upgrade and I have not experienced a single freeze and the only soft resets I have done were those required to install other applications. Unless someone, including HTC or Cingular, comes out with a version that adds features that I can't live without (and are not added to these cooked ROM's on this forum as CABs), I will be happy to stay with my current version.

WHY move to WM6? Your MUSTs?

Sorry to ask you guys, but after a lot of search in the forum, and playing for a while with a Touch, I haven't see a compeling reason to move my Trinity from my actual version :HTC SPA GPS Official tweaked and + or - working properly.
So that's my question: Why YOU would decide/reccomend WM6 over WM5?
Thanks a lot for the advice.
Regards.
PD I did download the WM6 Faman SPA ROM, but yet reluctant to install. Help me decide!

a) keep up with the times - you'll have to eventually anyway
b) update wm6 without having to re-flash it
c) html emails!
d) looks nicer
e) other stuff which i've yet to find out about -- that's right, i haven't upgraded from wm5 to wm6 yet! still waiting for an official wm6 rom. might go with indigo full if it's not too buggy and if mun fixes the poor radio signal problem.

WM6 is:
Faster
More stable
HTML email
Updated Office
More available RAM
Nicer looking
These reasons should be enough to convince you to upgrade provided that you have the time to reinstall all of your applications and setup your device from scratch.

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b) update wm6 without having to re-flash it
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Please explain me this?? (maybe problem is just my english understanding)
By the way I just finnish put new PDAVIET ROM and it's going quite well!!!

forcedalias said:
a) keep up with the times - you'll have to eventually anyway
b) update wm6 without having to re-flash it
c) html emails!
d) looks nicer
e) other stuff which i've yet to find out about -- that's right, i haven't upgraded from wm5 to wm6 yet! still waiting for an official wm6 rom. might go with indigo full if it's not too buggy and if mun fixes the poor radio signal problem.
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Thanks for your info!
Granted, I will keep up with the times, but after WM2003 (full restore no longer available), the hassles of upgrading have overcomed the benefits.
I understand that what you mean by wm6 upgrades without reflashing is without reinstalling apps, isn't it?
As for html e-mails... well I don't use HTML a lot even in my desktop, nor do I check e-mail in my Trinity other than web-mail.......
For the look... you mean the gray Today screen? IT seems OK, but not to the extent of upgrading ;o))
Really, some nice points to be aware. Thanks.

Matterhorn said:
WM6 is:
Faster
More stable
HTML email
Updated Office
More available RAM
Nicer looking
These reasons should be enough to convince you to upgrade provided that you have the time to reinstall all of your applications and setup your device from scratch.
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Faster: That would be one good reason! WM5 is soooo sloooowww.....
Stable: my second best one!
HTML e mail... well, not a key point to me, but I'll take that one too.
Updated Office: I've never been able to do a lot of work on Office apps. It's nice to add some data on the go, as to expenses reports and so on, but not "real" formatting and the like. Too many compromises when "syncing" excel complex datasheets to name one "minus" point.
How much more RAM available are we talking?
As for the nicer looking, I admit it might be, but after one hour or so with an i-phone, EVERY WM device looks... well.... past century.....
Obviously, reinstalling all apps, the registry tweaks, the network settings, etc, is a big drawback, especially if I've to roll back everything, as happened too many times with the S200.
Well, thanks for pointing the issues for my, i'm getting closer to the upgrade.

Matterhorn said:
WM6 is:
Faster
More stable
HTML email
Updated Office
More available RAM
Nicer looking
These reasons should be enough to convince you to upgrade provided that you have the time to reinstall all of your applications and setup your device from scratch.
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IMHO the first two (faster, more stable) are theoretical. I've been using various WM6 ROMs, and I don't see much increase in speed compared to WM5, and the beta/cooked/hacked roms aren't as stable as well (but the official WM5 has issues too, so maybe because it's just a Windows after all...)

mikhe69 said:
Please explain me this?? (maybe problem is just my english understanding)
By the way I just finnish put new PDAVIET ROM and it's going quite well!!!
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I was referring to the Windows Update feature on WM6 that'll allow you to download updates for WM6 via the internet as oppose to flashing your phone with a whole new ROM which'll mean re-installing all your apps etc.

MrSteve said:
IMHO the first two (faster, more stable) are theoretical. I've been using various WM6 ROMs, and I don't see much increase in speed compared to WM5, and the beta/cooked/hacked roms aren't as stable as well (but the official WM5 has issues too, so maybe because it's just a Windows after all...)
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Hi,
One significant speed increase: Use File Explorer to access "\windows"
This directory contains a large number of files.
In WM5 it takes very long (10-20 seconds from memory).
in WM6 it takes 1-2 seconds, hinting at significant improvements in file system routines.
This might also have indirect impacts on other functions.
Cheers

dcd's vogue rom 0.2.0

Here is my vogue rom version 0.2.0
What I have done so far (as compared to a Sprint 1.12 ship rom):
Upgrade drivers and XIP to 1.17 ship rom
Upgrade base to CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0 (in progress)
Upgrade OEM applications to newer versions from 1.17 ship rom
Remove IA Zip (Office Mobile 6.1 supports Zip)
Remove WModem (Internet Sharing is included)
Remove Sim Toolkit
Remove Autoupdate
Remove Catalog
Remove Customer Feedback, replace mxip_notify.vol with non-SQM version
Add Remote Desktop
Add VoIP
Registry - better performance, better battery life, etc
I have not tested this. I hear it works. If you mess up your phone, its not my fault.
http://rapidshare.com/files/82558441/dcd_vogue_0.2.0.exe.html

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man whats up I would love for you to keep working on this .....

I don't mean any offense or insult but honestly, I don't really see a point to it. The Touch has plenty of memory so there's no real point in swapping apps in rom as with lesser phones. It's not an issue. Now if you can enable GPS, increase speed 30%, fix DirectDraw so it plays better than 1 1/2 fps or something like that, I'd be flashing it right now instead of typing this. But I'm not resetting my phone and going through all that for a few apps I could install myself in 1/10th the time. There's another custom rom on ppcgeeks that's also received relatively little interest, I suspect for the same reason.
Again, nothing personal, no insult is intended and remember, you asked.

markgamber said:
I don't mean any offense or insult but honestly, I don't really see a point to it. The Touch has plenty of memory so there's no real point in swapping apps in rom as with lesser phones. It's not an issue. Now if you can enable GPS, increase speed 30%, fix DirectDraw so it plays better than 1 1/2 fps or something like that, I'd be flashing it right now instead of typing this. But I'm not resetting my phone and going through all that for a few apps I could install myself in 1/10th the time. There's another custom rom on ppcgeeks that's also received relatively little interest, I suspect for the same reason.
Again, nothing personal, no insult is intended and remember, you asked.
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Yeah I take no offense. That seems to be the general feeling of vogue users. However, I am not just adding apps, in fact I havent added any (other than WM6 components.) I never do in my titan roms. What you have to consider is that WM6 is bloated with crap, and then HTC dumps more crap on top of it. Yeah, the vogue comes with all the software that 99% of people are throwing on top of their device's build for a custom rom... I am not one of those people I am more interested in updating the vanilla OS in terms of performance, stability, and age.
What I have done so far (as compared to a Sprint 1.12 ship rom):
Upgrade drivers and XIP to 1.17 ship rom
Upgrade base to CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0
Upgrade OEM applications to newer versions from 1.17 ship rom
Remove IA Zip (Office Mobile 6.1 supports Zip)
Remove WModem (Internet Sharing is included)
Remove Sim Toolkit
Remove Autoupdate
Remove Catalog
Remove Customer Feedback, replace mxip_notify.vol with non-SQM version
Add Remote Desktop
Add VoIP
Registry - better performance, better battery life, etc
I may also replace HTC Home 2.0 with 2.1. Beyond that I am open to suggestions.

Testing over the weekend and will report back.
dcd1182 said:
Yeah I take no offense. That seems to be the general feeling of vogue users. However, I am not just adding apps, in fact I havent added any (other than WM6 components.) I never do in my titan roms. What you have to consider is that WM6 is bloated with crap, and then HTC dumps more crap on top of it. Yeah, the vogue comes with all the software that 99% of people are throwing on top of their device's build for a custom rom... I am not one of those people I am more interested in updating the vanilla OS in terms of performance, stability, and age.
What I have done so far (as compared to a Sprint 1.12 ship rom):
Upgrade drivers and XIP to 1.17 ship rom
Upgrade base to CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0
Upgrade OEM applications to newer versions from 1.17 ship rom
Remove IA Zip (Office Mobile 6.1 supports Zip)
Remove WModem (Internet Sharing is included)
Remove Sim Toolkit
Remove Autoupdate
Remove Catalog
Remove Customer Feedback, replace mxip_notify.vol with non-SQM version
Add Remote Desktop
Add VoIP
Registry - better performance, better battery life, etc
I may also replace HTC Home 2.0 with 2.1. Beyond that I am open to suggestions.
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First, thanks for the work on this. I still don't know enough about the kitchen to do it myself. I will report back on what I notice with your rom. Did you do anything different with the pagepool size?
I like your theory on ROM building...just make a nice clean, fast, stable ROM and let people add what they need.
Thanks again for your work!

DCD1182,
I will test this at my work and let you know how it runs

markgamber said:
I don't mean any offense or insult but honestly, I don't really see a point to it. The Touch has plenty of memory so there's no real point in swapping apps in rom as with lesser phones. It's not an issue. Now if you can enable GPS, increase speed 30%, fix DirectDraw so it plays better than 1 1/2 fps or something like that, I'd be flashing it right now instead of typing this. But I'm not resetting my phone and going through all that for a few apps I could install myself in 1/10th the time. There's another custom rom on ppcgeeks that's also received relatively little interest, I suspect for the same reason.
Again, nothing personal, no insult is intended and remember, you asked.
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It was probably much easier for you to save your time and not reply at all .... ? By the way the rom is really nice this one and the ppcgeek one .. thanks

Thanks a lot, nice to see some more roms out there.
Josh

Hey dcd. I love your work and have followed it closely on the mogul. I'm now using the Vogue and I figured it would be a matter of time before you helped out this area. I'm definitely in your corner so keep the roms coming. FYI... Alltel has released their touch which also has some goodies and may be worth looking into as soon as an Alltel user can dump the rom for us.
Pro_b

dcd1182 said:
Here is my vogue rom version 0.2.0
What I have done so far (as compared to a Sprint 1.12 ship rom):
Upgrade drivers and XIP to 1.17 ship rom
Upgrade base to CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0 (in progress)
Upgrade OEM applications to newer versions from 1.17 ship rom
Remove IA Zip (Office Mobile 6.1 supports Zip)
Remove WModem (Internet Sharing is included)
Remove Sim Toolkit
Remove Autoupdate
Remove Catalog
Remove Customer Feedback, replace mxip_notify.vol with non-SQM version
Add Remote Desktop
Add VoIP
Registry - better performance, better battery life, etc
I have not tested this. I do not have a vogue. I will update this when I get a report of how the rom works. If you are unsure about installing, dont. If you do install, please report your results.
http://rapidshare.com/files/82558441/dcd_vogue_0.2.0.exe.html
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Awesome. I knew you could come up with something. Now its begun. Think you could release that kitchen so that people could try building their own ROMs for the Vogue? And one more thing... Is this just for Sprint? I have Sprint so it is not a problem but I'm asking on behalf of those who do not.

DCD1182,
Give me a rock solid ROM and I will be happy. If you added the best programs into ROM what would I have left to play with : )
Thank you for not overseasoning the soup........

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Think you could release that kitchen so that people could try building their own ROMs for the Vogue?
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Maybe eventually. However, I did include all rgu files, so you could dump this and throw it into your kitchen of choice.
And one more thing... Is this just for Sprint? I have Sprint so it is not a problem but I'm asking on behalf of those who do not.
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I would imagine that it would run on any carrier, but it is sprint branded at this time.
so, nobody has explicitly stated that it does or does not run is it working for everyone?
looks like the vogue has a 12mb pagepool...would you guys like that changed?

jakdillard said:
It was probably much easier for you to save your time and not reply at all .... ? By the way the rom is really nice this one and the ppcgeek one .. thanks
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He asked a question, I gave an answer based on my usage and the obvious lack of interest in the two custom roms on ppcgeeks. Why waste time building systems a half dozen people might use when there are other phones in much more obvious need of work? Being a prick doesn't make it less true.

markgamber said:
He asked a question, I gave an answer based on my usage and the obvious lack of interest in the two custom roms on ppcgeeks. Why waste time building systems a half dozen people might use when there are other phones in much more obvious need of work? Being a prick doesn't make it less true.
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settle down everybody markgamber i appreciated your feedback. difference of opinion i suppose, but you were answering the question i asked. i'm not going to pour time into a rom nobody cares about, but its easy enough to build that its not a waste if half a dozen people do use it

360discgolf said:
First, thanks for the work on this. I still don't know enough about the kitchen to do it myself. I will report back on what I notice with your rom. Did you do anything different with the pagepool size?
I like your theory on ROM building...just make a nice clean, fast, stable ROM and let people add what they need.
Thanks again for your work!
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I have been running the ROM for only one day, but I wanted to report some early things that I have noticed...
1) I am having the problem with the phone app openning after closing certain programs... Seems to pop up when using PHM regedit, settings, file explorer, SprintTV, and randomly with other apps
2) It appears that you have done some tweaks to the Touch keyboard, which is cool in my opinion, but there is a bug. In some web pages the Touch Keyboard will only give me the option to use the "123 page"...the keyboard simply will not change to the ABC or XT9 entry methods.
Overall functionally is very good, but these are two annoying issues that I have noticed thus far.

DCD do you know if there is a way to get the Keypad and keyboards ouf of the voge? I want to add them to my titan. I have a vogue and a titan. The ones posted on this site are the older keybaord files. the newer ones on teh vogue are a ton better and cleaner also work better. let me know asap thanks

argh...
I am having the problem with the phone app openning after closing certain programs... Seems to pop up when using PHM regedit, settings, file explorer, SprintTV, and randomly with other apps
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well, that really sucks. the vogue 1.12 phonecanvas package did this on my titan, 1.17 does not. wish i could find whats causing it. i will try to investigate.
2) It appears that you have done some tweaks to the Touch keyboard, which is cool in my opinion, but there is a bug. In some web pages the Touch Keyboard will only give me the option to use the "123 page"...the keyboard simply will not change to the ABC or XT9 entry methods.
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i did not mess with the keyboard...so i missed something...will check.

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argh...
well, that really sucks. the vogue 1.12 phonecanvas package did this on my titan, 1.17 does not. wish i could find whats causing it. i will try to investigate.
i did not mess with the keyboard...so i missed something...will check.
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Cool. Let me know if there is anything specific that you want me to test and give feedback on. Feel free to PM me.

Suggested reg edit
From what I can tell most people think TouchFlo is not usable out of the box. I have a reg sitting that has made it much more usable for me although it still does not solve some of the short comings. At any rate, here is the reg edit I use....
HKLM\Software\OEM\TouchFloSettings\FingerPressure >>> Change D-Word to 9000.
This makes finger drag scrolling 100 times better. I wish you had a vogue so you can test it. It makes selecting text somewhat more difficult at first, but then becomes very easy once you adjust. It is really worth it to make scrolling more natural.