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I have had an iPhone for the past year, and couldn't be happier. However, I recently came across an idea that makes a huge difference in how you use your iPhone, and only costs $39.
http://www.pressdigital.com.au/phon...sories/kidigi-apple-iphone-cradle-p-6004.html
Does not seem like a big deal, but I bought one of these docks for my phone, a car adapter, and a stereo cord, and mounted them in my car. Now, I just sit down, set the phone in the dock, and my music starts playing through the speakers. The phone starts charging. So, I spend a lot more time using the phone because its not a hastle to hook it up.
Hello IPhone lover
You might not have realized this but this forum is WM Devices specific. No one here talks about Iphone's unless is is an Iphone skin or app or something for WM Devices.
You need to search for Iphone specific forum - You might find more people interested in this even though there are likley some XDA members who own IPhone's as well.
Take care
Rod
Also - The Iphone Dock is nothing new or special either. It's a shame you only discovered it until now? There are tons of different docking stations for Iphones and WM Devices on the market for almost every device. A simple google will yield results.
Hhhmmm, Hey Hotrod, don't you grow suspicious of this guy that has 1 post, and said post is to expose the high virtues of a "new" product that is sure to rock the world...
I smell spam in the air..
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Hhhmmm, Hey Hotrod, don't you grow suspicious of this guy that has 1 post, and said post is to expose the high virtues of a "new" product that is sure to rock the world...
I smell spam in the air..
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Yes I suppose it does seem suspicious - "Product pusher" "Advertisement", However, he may also just be very young and not realise what kind of forum he was in. I like to keep an open mind about people; however, I will keep my eye on him so see what his other posts are like (if he ever comes back).
My apologies. I didn't think this was a new product, I just hadn't seen anyone else use it this way. My friends that have iPhones use car chargers and fm transmitters to use their iPhone in their car. I started out doing this, but found that most of the time it was too much trouble on a short trip. I saw one guy online that went so far as to make an RTV rubber mold of his iPod and made his own dock in his car (this was when they first came out).
Thanks,
Chris
That's cool man. I never actually thought of using a docking station in the car before. It would be very conveniant as long as it was secure enough. Pop the device in and then remove it when exiting the car. My set up is relatively simple as well. I have one plugin for power to my device - everyting is transmitted to stereo using the devices bluetooth and Motorola t505 to transmit to FM Stereo of car. No clutter of wires this way.
hi!
When I plugged my TyTN into PC via USB or to A/C charger I found that LCD is not displaying properly the today screen, it was getting white and some colour lines showed for few seconds. It was randomly changing and showing and hiding... and caused that I can't work with device.
What was diagnosed by me that when I move the USB jack fitted in port to left or right it helped to come back to OK status.
So I used (in anger) my strenght and fixed my machine for longer time (don't ask how but i'm curious if usb port located in TyTN can be used out???
someone any experience??
rexmundi said:
hi!
When I plugged my TyTN into PC via USB or to A/C charger I found that LCD is not displaying properly the today screen, it was getting white and some colour lines showed for few seconds. It was randomly changing and showing and hiding... and caused that I can't work with device.
What was diagnosed by me that when I move the USB jack fitted in port to left or right it helped to come back to OK status.
So I used (in anger) my strenght and fixed my machine for longer time (don't ask how but i'm curious if usb port located in TyTN can be used out???
someone any experience??
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As with any device, the hermes will get to the end of its life. And usb ports can break quite easly if your not carefull or unlucky.
Thats why I never use the wired headphones, dont want to kill my port.
Glad to see you got yours working again though! (your lucky you didnt break it fully, by using to much strength )
veyka said:
As with any device, the hermes will get to the end of its life. And usb ports can break quite easly if your not carefull or unlucky.
Thats why I never use the wired headphones, dont want to kill my port.
Glad to see you got yours working again though! (your lucky you didnt break it fully, by using to much strength )
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i hope it will work as long as possible
you know i'm using wired headset quite often and quite often plug in usb a/c in my car so maybe that why it is sending me singnals that he have enough
maybe when this brick will stop working it will be good argument for my wife to purchase new WM device (Diamond maybe)
greetz
rexmundi said:
i hope it will work as long as possible
you know i'm using wired headset quite often and quite often plug in usb a/c in my car so maybe that why it is sending me singnals that he have enough
maybe when this brick will stop working it will be good argument for my wife to purchase new WM device (Diamond maybe)
greetz
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I myself am trying to work out a way to get a Kaiser.. dont think I could quite sneak a touch pro though the net (GPS calls to me, and i dont like bluetooth dongles)
veyka said:
I myself am trying to work out a way to get a Kaiser.. dont think I could quite sneak a touch pro though the net (GPS calls to me, and i dont like bluetooth dongles)
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+1 on the kaiser for the next phone man... i'll be around for a while in hermes though
You can always buy a new usb port, but make sure you have a good soldering iron, and very good eyes. The 5 pins on the base of the port are extremely small and close together. If you don't have a magnifying glass, it could be a nightmare.
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maybe when this brick will stop working it will be good argument for my wife to purchase new WM device (Diamond maybe)
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If that's the case, I'd just snap that port off now.
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I myself am trying to work out a way to get a Kaiser.. dont think I could quite sneak a touch pro though the net (GPS calls to me, and i dont like bluetooth dongles)
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Kaiser is a mess I think, with all the non-accelerated video etc problems.
I'm eyeballing with Sony's XPERIA but only when it becomes $300-400 and only if no Android will match it by then - because XPeria's initial $1k price won't go down in less than 6-8 months and most like by then (practically next Spring) the second wave of Android-based phones will be arriving, beating XPERIA in everything at less than half the price...
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Kaiser is a mess I think, with all the non-accelerated video etc problems.
I'm eyeballing with Sony's XPERIA but only when it becomes $300-400 and only if no Android will match it by then - because XPeria's initial $1k price won't go down in less than 6-8 months and most like by then (practically next Spring) the second wave of Android-based phones will be arriving, beating XPERIA in everything at less than half the price...
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The Omni software driver and HTC class action drivers do the job fine I dont even use any D3D stuff.
The extra ram and the faster cpu sound good to me.
This has already been done for the EVO 4g using Palm Touchstone capable scraps but I want to take it to another level. Since i'm not much of a programmer I can add to the community in this way.
Please let me know how many of you are interested in this. I'm going to put up full walk throughs as I move along but I will also sell some off (in the marketplace) for those that don't want to go through the hassle. I'm going to start ordering parts and building mock-ups and doing some design work during slow downs at work. I'll have a donation link up eventually if any one wants to help cover the initial costs.
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CURRENT DEVELOPMENT STAGE: 1- INDUCTIVE CASE RESEARCH, see #1
PLEASE KEEP AN EYE ON THIS POST (general updates) AND POST#3 (useful links and eventually tutorial)
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Design Intents are as follows:
1) A case for housing the inductive coil/wiring
This just requires compatible cases with necessary clearance for the inductive coil and wiring to the male micro usb. Cases with oversized bumpers would be best since they will keep drops from damaging the micro usb plug that will be sticking out of the bottom of the phone. This may not be ideal so if anyone is decent and making plastic molds maybe we could come up with an attachment to a case.
2)NO Hard wiring inside/to the phone
This involves using low profile male mirco USB type B connectors, like this, and mounting and wiring to the case. This will keep your plug always covered and keep you from trying to charge your phone with both inductive and regular usb to the wall/pc. The main design issue here is protecting the male connector to the phone. Suggest usb connectors, wiring, how to boost the amperage, does the palm pre coil protect from over voltage, etc.
3)A car kit.
I will start with my car, A nissan sentra SR, for the car kit. Others are encouraged to come up/share your solutions as well! This should be a hard wired solution using the palm pre/pixi round touchstone dock. Kind of like a dash mount. I think the magnet should hold the phone ok being that my car isn't one of the most powerful things on the planet but for you hot rodders out there keep that possible issue in mind.
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Current Progress: CASEAlright I have the cases in hand! I got three of them in the mail and will be tearing these apart this weekend. The pucks (touchstone bases) should be here sometime next week.
I'm also looking at the following cases
Ballistic
Ballistic 2
Clear S Case
The ballistic I am hoping will give clearance for the micro usb. They will be a bit heavier though... we'll see.
I going to order 2 cases for starters, what should they be?
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Useful Links and Resources
Useful Links and Resources
This post will provide you with the knowledge necessary to learn what you need to complete this project. Any helpful links your share in this thread will be copied here.
General Info
What is Electromagnetic Induction? - HERE
A little about wireless power distribution - HERE
Other Mod References
ManiacMagic's E4GT Soldered Inductive Mod - HERE
darrenf's from android central Soldered - HERE
(thanks DaisyPlucksta for the links)
Helpful Videos
qianqinde's how-to for International GS2 (soldered) - HERE thank's rwilco12
Regarding the thread, this would be hardware development which i believe belongs in the general section. As for the idea, it seems like as long as its not too bulky most users wouldn't mind if it extended battery life substantially like 24 hours or more. Could make you rich with over 9.million sgsIII owners. But Im pretty sure there are already many types of chargers on the market so unless i missed something perhaps you should submit this to a patent office so no one steals the idea or design. Just my two cents dinner no one else has posted. But ya not software development so I would move three thread before you get flamed too bad.
No flaming allowed.
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Maybe in accessories? Good luck. Sound fun. I might be interested once your done.
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abw0046 said:
This has already been done for the EVO 4g using Palm Touchstone capable scraps but I want to take it to another level. Since i'm not much of a programmer I can add to the community in this way.
Design Intents are as follows:
1) A case based solution, the ET4G is too damn thin!
This is just require compatible cases with necessary clearance and materials
that are least obstructive to the magnetic field.
2)NO Hard wiring inside/to the phone
This involves ordering male mirco USB type B connectors and mounting and wiring to the case. This will keep your plug always covered and keep you from trying to charge your phone with both inductive and regular usb to the wall/pc. The only issue here is protecting the male connector to the phone. I've some ideas for this but will be very dependent on the case we use.
3)A car kit.
I will start with my car, A nissan sentra SR, for the car kit. This will be a hard wired solution using the palm pre/pixi round touchstone dock. Kind of like a dash mount. I think the magnet should hold the phone ok being that my car isn't one of the most powerful things on the planet but for you hot rodders I'll keep that possible issue in mind.
Please let me know how many of you are interested in this. I'm going to put up full walk throughs as I move along but I will also sell some off for those that don't want to go through the hassle (is that ok on here? or do i need to set up donations?). Either way let me know because I'm going to start order parts and doing some design work during slow downs at work.
Thoughts? Concerns?
Oh and if you have other devices you would like this type of solution for I'm cool with that. Just ask and we'll work through it!
OH man... here we go!
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I'm game! I tried doing it myself but I could only find the one spot on the USB plug to hook up to. I opted but to do it because there was some massive dismantling and soldering I would've had to do. I've still got the parts ready for when someone smarter than me figures out an easier way to do it though!
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Technically, he is developing something. Just not code.
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great idea. i have 4 touchstones kicking around. would love to be able to use them.
Technically, this IS "development"
Anyway, I would be interested in this myself. Seems like a great idea. I'm pretty handy & I have a welder/soldering station at my job. Would be happy to help out.
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I would pay money for this...
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This sounds very cool. And technically this is development. Just not software related. So I don't see where else this could go.
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abw0046 said:
This has already been done for the EVO 4g using Palm Touchstone capable scraps but I want to take it to another level. Since i'm not much of a programmer I can add to the community in this way.
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Please let me know how many of you are interested in this. I'm going to put up full walk throughs as I move along but I will also sell some off for those that don't want to go through the hassle (is that ok on here? or do i need to set up donations?). Either way let me know because I'm going to start order parts and doing some design work during slow downs at work.
Thoughts? Concerns?
Oh and if you have other devices you would like this type of solution for I'm cool with that. Just ask and we'll work through it!
OH man... here we go!
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Just a thought.
What would be the charging time using touchstone/conductive charging; or in other words, what would be the output voltage/current provided to the phone. It takes a while on regular chargers to charge the phone compared to HTC phones.
haha I actually did this too my I500. Literally car kit and everything. Even had it play music through Bluetooth. except I hated cases on that phone so I hardwired it. looked so much sexier. But the case is easier. Built like that too just didn't have the car cradle
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Technically, he is developing something. Just not code.
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True
How much would this be for a car charger and home charger wireless
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I have 2 palm touchstones, 2 old fried pre & pre2, and 2 phone backs for the touchstone charger to integrate with the phone..
I would absolutely love to know how to integrate the "guts" of the battery cover with the needed parts into the e4gt innards to make the wireless charger .. but I'm not sure how yet.. :/ I will keep reading and post here if I get it working..
I assume that the physical connection is totally possible but the OS will most likely need to be able to control voltage and jazz so I'm not sure what would be needed for that part..
sj
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Thanks for all the interest and offers for assistance. Being that its my friend's birthday as well as my own on top of fathers day weekend I won't start any design research until Monday.
I have ordered some parts which should be here late next week. I am still trying to find a source for some type B micro USB plugs. Guess I'll shoud stop throwing away those electronic component magazines. I did a quick search and found some but they were $6.50 each with $10 shipping. If any of you have a source for these let me know. Hell you can send me spare cables and I'll deconstruct them if I have to, but that's not very fun.
When I get on my PC I'll add a poll to see where you all would like this topic to be. Then I'll ask you how do I move it
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Lets do it!
I actually got the touchstone and pre back and ripped out the inductive charging circuit just for this (I actually got it for my evo, but I upgraded before I had the chance to follow the evo guide). I'm excited for this!
Anyway - some heads up - the E4GT is MUCH heavier and bigger than the pre. Don't expect it to stay firmly attached. It will stay okay, but you need a really thin back face of the case. You may also try replacing the thin magnets with thicker rare earths. I actually got it under the stock cover okay, and that worked decently, but no good way to attach it. That's where I quit (after thinking about soldering to the board, but not having a good place on the USB connector without taking the phone all of the way apart. I also didn't fins another point on the board to solder to (like the charging circuit), although I'm sure it's there somewhere.
Also, you need to mount the inductive charging circuit a little low because the phone is so long that it will hit the table and not mount properly if you put it in the middle. Furthermore, be ware that if you add a connector to the USB port, this will exacerbate this problem, perhaps to the point of requiring landscape or stronger magnets.
The USB connector you want are available at a number of places. Ebay has some cheap micro usb adapters (including right angle) that you might play with. If you just want the connector itself, it will likely be more expensive, but I suggest checking mouser or digikey.
Good luck! This will be AWESOME!
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Whoa! Just got curious enough to do a quick google search. You may want to czech these out real quick:
Soldering route: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1451684
again: http://forums.androidcentral.com/ep...c-4g-touch-stone-mod-details-lots-photos.html
DaisyPlucksta said:
I actually got the touchstone and pre back and ripped out the inductive charging circuit just for this (I actually got it for my evo, but I upgraded before I had the chance to follow the evo guide). I'm excited for this!
Anyway - some heads up - the E4GT is MUCH heavier and bigger than the pre. Don't expect it to stay firmly attached. It will stay okay, but you need a really thin back face of the case. You may also try replacing the thin magnets with thicker rare earths. I actually got it under the stock cover okay, and that worked decently, but no good way to attach it. That's where I quit (after thinking about soldering to the board, but not having a good place on the USB connector without taking the phone all of the way apart. I also didn't fins another point on the board to solder to (like the charging circuit), although I'm sure it's there somewhere.
Also, you need to mount the inductive charging circuit a little low because the phone is so long that it will hit the table and not mount properly if you put it in the middle. Furthermore, be ware that if you add a connector to the USB port, this will exacerbate this problem, perhaps to the point of requiring landscape or stronger magnets.
The USB connector you want are available at a number of places. Ebay has some cheap micro usb adapters (including right angle) that you might play with. If you just want the connector itself, it will likely be more expensive, but I suggest checking mouser or digikey.
Good luck! This will be AWESOME!
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Whoa! Just got curious enough to do a quick google search. You may want to czech these out real quick:
Soldering route: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1451684
again: http://forums.androidcentral.com/ep...c-4g-touch-stone-mod-details-lots-photos.html
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Awesome find DP! Looks extremely promising! I will see if I can get it working as soon as I have the time.. hopefully sometime this week
sj
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I would like to buy a nexus 7 to hack it into my wifes car permanently. I am worried about the stock battery in the extreme temp changes. Is there a way I could remove the battery and just have the car battery be it's battery? I can't imagine it draining the battery too much over a day or so.
stupid idea i must say...........
leaving all voltage/current/temperature issues aside, if u somehow do make it work, ur tab's gonna turn off every time when u switch off the ignition (at traffic lights, jams etc).
why not just buy a dashboard dock for ur tab, and a car charger(which is connected via the cigarette lighter outlet), u can leave tht charger connected if u wish.
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stupid idea i must say...........
leaving all voltage/current/temperature issues aside, if u somehow do make it work, ur tab's gonna turn off every time when u switch off the ignition (at traffic lights, jams etc).
why not just buy a dashboard dock for ur tab, and a car charger(which is connected via the cigarette lighter outlet), u can leave tht charger connected if u wish.
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Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about, so please refrain from shedding your "brilliance" moving forward. This is nothing new, and people are doing this all over the place.
There are applications to allow the tablet to remain charged while in ignition->off mode, while not draining the vehicle's power (read: trickle charging, essentially). Who the hell turns off their car at traffic lights/jams? I don't know a single person that does this.
There are TONS of advantages to installing a N7 into your vehicle as your primary audio/nav/etc. source. Internet radio, hands free call/SMS over stereo, navigation, etc. all in one for a mere couple hundred dollars.
Do some research before you just slam someone's idea.
OP: Check out an app called Tasker. It allows you to configure the tablet to see vehicle ignition and at that condition, brighten the screen, turn on WiFi/Bluetooth/GPS/etc., and then turn all that stuff off, and go into a low voltage mode. This will take care of your battery concerns.
tasker
Yes I know about tasker and I am sure I can get that to work for ignition on and off. Maybe I need to rephrase my question and shed some more light.What I am wondering is if there is a good way to run it with no battery and use the car completely for power or if it is even possible. I know that tasker will get its info from it if there is power on the charge port but what if I don't use that? What if I give it power directly from the car where the battery should be. Is it possible for me to do that? The only reason I was thinking of doing that is because it would be permanent and I do not want the battery to explode in the summer heat. Could I run the tab with just power over USB and no battery? So that ignition sends power to the Tab and it has no tablet battery ? I have not purchased the tablet yet and was hoping to figure this all out before I start hacking it to pieces. I am not scared to solder or do any of that but I do not know how the tablet will work with no battery so I was hoping someone else would. Thanks
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stupid idea i must say...........
leaving all voltage/current/temperature issues aside, if u somehow do make it work, ur tab's gonna turn off every time when u switch off the ignition (at traffic lights, jams etc).
why not just buy a dashboard dock for ur tab, and a car charger(which is connected via the cigarette lighter outlet), u can leave tht charger connected if u wish.
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I do not shut off my car as I do not live in a big city with traffic jams or any of that. I am not worried about voltage/current as I am sure I can figure that out or modify a current 12v to usb charger. Temperature I am also not worried about as I can add heatsinks to everything and fans if needed. I am a little worried about the battery sitting in the car in the heat and that is why I am asking these questions.
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Who the hell turns off their car at traffic lights/jams? I don't know a single person that does this.
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either u (and the people you know) r very rich, or u hav got a SUPER eco friendly fuel saving car that i dont know about. everyone turns off their ignition when they are stuck at jams n lights.
my guess, u own a normal run off the mill car. so switch off ur engine when required, it'll save u abt 800-1000$ worth of fuel in a year
There are TONS of advantages to installing a N7 into your vehicle as your primary audio/nav/etc. source. Internet radio, hands free call/SMS over stereo, navigation, etc. all in one for a mere couple hundred dollars.
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not to mention the laborious process of rewiring ur car's electrical systems, dashboard trims etc...........
my process will cost a maximum of abt 10-15$, and at max 2mins of install time. (use a "line-in" cable to route ur tab's audio via the cars existing stereo system)
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What I am wondering is if there is a good way to run it with no battery and use the car completely for power or if it is even possible.
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try it with ur cell phone. connect and charger and pull out the battery, see what happens....
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I am a little worried about the battery sitting in the car in the heat and that is why I am asking these questions.
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??? Heat on the battery will do what ??? I have had a GPS on the dash of my car solid, parked outdoors, for 2 years. Still works fine when plugged in to the 12v adapter, and even holds a charge. Heat may shorten "life" of battery, but if it is also connected to a power cource of the car, should be FINE.:good:
Well from the looks of it no one has a real answer so I am just going to mess around with one when I get it and see what works best for me. I do not mind rewiring the entire car as I planned to do that with new speakers and an amp etc. I have done many car audio installs and I actually enjoy doing it. I think what I will probably end up doing is keeping the battery in it and if it does go bad I can just replace it. The way I see it is it is a pretty cheap tablet to mess around with compared to the thousand plus I would spend on a double din to do the same thing. Plus if I don't like how it works on my test bench then I will just use it as a tablet and not put it in the car. Thanks for the help. Also I don't know a single person who shuts their cars off at stop lights. I am sure it is great on the car to start and stop the motor every 2 minutes. You do realize you use very little gas when at idle. Anyways, thanks for the ideas.
Is this a serious post? Obviously if I am looking to hack a 200$ tablet I am not worried about cost too much. Also your idea is easy but I want it to be integrated and clean. I want it to look nice and not just have wires and mount sitting there.
aritro88 said:
either u (and the people you know) r very rich, or u hav got a SUPER eco friendly fuel saving car that i dont know about. everyone turns off their ignition when they are stuck at jams n lights.
my guess, u own a normal run off the mill car. so switch off ur engine when required, it'll save u abt 800-1000$ worth of fuel in a year
not to mention the laborious process of rewiring ur car's electrical systems, dashboard trims etc...........
my process will cost a maximum of abt 10-15$, and at max 2mins of install time. (use a "line-in" cable to route ur tab's audio via the cars existing stereo system)
try it with ur cell phone. connect and charger and pull out the battery, see what happens....
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aritro88 said:
either u (and the people you know) r very rich, or u hav got a SUPER eco friendly fuel saving car that i dont know about. everyone turns off their ignition when they are stuck at jams n lights.
my guess, u own a normal run off the mill car. so switch off ur engine when required, it'll save u abt 800-1000$ worth of fuel in a year
not to mention the laborious process of rewiring ur car's electrical systems, dashboard trims etc...........
my process will cost a maximum of abt 10-15$, and at max 2mins of install time. (use a "line-in" cable to route ur tab's audio via the cars existing stereo system)
try it with ur cell phone. connect and charger and pull out the battery, see what happens....
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Is this real life? are you serious right now? You have got to either be trolling, or just a complete idiot.
You should have to pass at least a 4rd grade grammar test to post on this forum, because posts like these are just embarrassing to the forum.
aritro88 said:
either u (and the people you know) r very rich, or u hav got a SUPER eco friendly fuel saving car that i dont know about. everyone turns off their ignition when they are stuck at jams n lights.
my guess, u own a normal run off the mill car. so switch off ur engine when required, it'll save u abt 800-1000$ worth of fuel in a year
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2001 Corvette, I'm not rich, I'm a DIY'er. Isn't that what this forum is for? People that like to do projects and things themselves? Are you not from the US? Literally, no one does that but you. It doesn't take much fuel for a vehicle to sit at idle. In fact, it generally consumes MORE fuel to start a vehicle rather than let it idle for a few minutes rather than turn it off, wait a minute, turn it on, drive a bit, repeat, etc. Care to argue with me about this? I'm an ASE certified technician and will teach you a thing or two.
aritro88 said:
not to mention the laborious process of rewiring ur car's electrical systems, dashboard trims etc...........
my process will cost a maximum of abt 10-15$, and at max 2mins of install time. (use a "line-in" cable to route ur tab's audio via the cars existing stereo system)
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Rewiring my car? Haha. No. There's no rewiring involved other than adding an adapter. I think even a 4 year old could handle that task. Dashboard trims should not need modification on most newer vehicles, as most newer vehicles come with a double din or larger console that will either allow for direct fitment, or fitment with a simple install kit. My car requires modification, but it's easy work. It's not for the average Joe when it comes to modifying plastics, no, but you can hire people to do that. Also, again, this is a PROJECT. If you don't like it, shut up about it and don't post. The OP wants to do this, let him do it. Congrats on your cool 2 minute idea, but guess what, it's going to look stupid compared to an in-dash installation. Don't believe me?
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e30andrew said:
Is this real life? are you serious right now? You have got to either be trolling, or just a complete idiot.
You should have to pass at least a 4rd grade grammar test to post on this forum, because posts like these are just embarrassing to the forum.
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Awesome post.. I see you went the whole nexus dash route, did you end up going with a permanent solution or is the tablet just hiding in there? I wanted to do this for my wife and make it as friendly as possible. I was looking at using the ElementalX kernel so that I could add usb storage while charging, is that what you did? I would also be using co-pilot for gps since I can just download the maps. Did you add a usb-dac to yours? I figured if I am going to spend some money on nice speakers and an amp or two I might as well get the best audio quality. My biggest concern is that this project will be wife proof and it will work well for her on a daily use. I would love to get her steering controls working too but that may be a stretch. I actually love to tinker with this stuff so if it takes a couple weeks to get it working with ignition on off etc and music, gps, etc etc I am totally cool with that. I have done 4 carputer intalls before this but this will be my first tablet job. I figure if it goes well and I really like it then I will do the same to my car.
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2001 Corvette, I'm not rich, I'm a DIY'er. Isn't that what this forum is for? People that like to do projects and things themselves? Are you not from the US? Literally, no one does that but you. It doesn't take much fuel for a vehicle to sit at idle. In fact, it generally consumes MORE fuel to start a vehicle rather than let it idle for a few minutes rather than turn it off, wait a minute, turn it on, drive a bit, repeat, etc. Care to argue with me about this? I'm an ASE certified technician and will teach you a thing or two.
Rewiring my car? Haha. No. There's no rewiring involved other than adding an adapter. I think even a 4 year old could handle that task. Dashboard trims should not need modification on most newer vehicles, as most newer vehicles come with a double din or larger console that will either allow for direct fitment, or fitment with a simple install kit. My car requires modification, but it's easy work. It's not for the average Joe when it comes to modifying plastics, no, but you can hire people to do that. Also, again, this is a PROJECT. If you don't like it, shut up about it and don't post. The OP wants to do this, let him do it. Congrats on your cool 2 minute idea, but guess what, it's going to look stupid compared to an in-dash installation. Don't believe me?
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JohnnyTightlips said:
Awesome post.. I see you went the whole nexus dash route, did you end up going with a permanent solution or is the tablet just hiding in there? I wanted to do this for my wife and make it as friendly as possible. I was looking at using the ElementalX kernel so that I could add usb storage while charging, is that what you did? I would also be using co-pilot for gps since I can just download the maps. Did you add a usb-dac to yours? I figured if I am going to spend some money on nice speakers and an amp or two I might as well get the best audio quality. My biggest concern is that this project will be wife proof and it will work well for her on a daily use. I would love to get her steering controls working too but that may be a stretch. I actually love to tinker with this stuff so if it takes a couple weeks to get it working with ignition on off etc and music, gps, etc etc I am totally cool with that. I have done 4 carputer intalls before this but this will be my first tablet job. I figure if it goes well and I really like it then I will do the same to my car.
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Actually, that's the build I'm basing mine off of. Mine is going to be very similar, though I did have to do a bit of dash modification to make it fit (I should be done this week and will be posting pics/build thread). The one in the photo is "permanent" (though he simply hot glued brackets to it and it could easily be removed), and mine will be permanent. For $200, I have no issue keeping the thing installed permanently. My current 2013 has CM11 on it, but I haven't tested it with USB OTG (waiting on another cable to arrive), though if it doesn't work, I'll just use the ElementalX kernel with a stock ROM, since I'm sure that will work. Timur is working on a 2013 ROM as well. However, that's exactly what the plan is. 1TB external HDD with the accessory wire switching on a relay to engage the charging/screen on profile for the tablet, then upon key off, kill relay, and switching profile to off profile. I'm using a ByByte QUAD 7850 mini-amp to power everything. (LINK)
Regarding steering wheel controls, though I hear it's possible, I'm told it is a MAJOR project. I'm not going to bother with that, myself.
Sounds awesome, I will be excited to read your write up. I am curious to know how good that little amp will be. I was thinking of doing a 5 channel amp but I really didn't want to tear up the interior to run all the wires. Will you be using stock speakers? Are you using the 3.5mm jack or going to move toward a usb-dac? I will probably just go with a 64gb usb pen drive since my wife will only be doing music and very few movies if ever. I will also be adding fm to mine. Seems like all of this can be easily tested before it is in a car so I might have to take the plunge and start tinkering. Hook me up with a link when you get your write up going. Thanks
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Actually, that's the build I'm basing mine off of. Mine is going to be very similar, though I did have to do a bit of dash modification to make it fit (I should be done this week and will be posting pics/build thread). The one in the photo is "permanent" (though he simply hot glued brackets to it and it could easily be removed), and mine will be permanent. For $200, I have no issue keeping the thing installed permanently. My current 2013 has CM11 on it, but I haven't tested it with USB OTG (waiting on another cable to arrive), though if it doesn't work, I'll just use the ElementalX kernel with a stock ROM, since I'm sure that will work. Timur is working on a 2013 ROM as well. However, that's exactly what the plan is. 1TB external HDD with the accessory wire switching on a relay to engage the charging/screen on profile for the tablet, then upon key off, *****. I'm using a ByByte QUAD 7850 mini-amp to power everything. (LINK)
Regarding steering wheel controls, though I hear it's possible, I'm told it is a MAJOR project. I'm not going to bother with that, myself.
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Sounds awesome, I will be excited to read your write up. I am curious to know how good that little amp will be. I was thinking of doing a 5 channel amp but I really didn't want to tear up the interior to run all the wires. Will you be using stock speakers? Are you using the 3.5mm jack or going to move toward a usb-dac? I will probably just go with a 64gb usb pen drive since my wife will only be doing music and very few movies if ever. I will also be adding fm to mine. Seems like all of this can be easily tested before it is in a car so I might have to take the plunge and start tinkering. Hook me up with a link when you get your write up going. Thanks
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The guy who's build I'm replicating used the mini amp, said it was just fine. It's basically the same as the built-in amps on a regular head unit. I may switch to aftermarket speakers/amp/sub in the future, though, so stock speakers for now. Since it has a factory Bose setup, I had to buy a PAC ROEM-VET1 adapter to lower the frequency, which allows me to use the factory speakers.
Yup, definitely can mostly be bench tested first. I haven't done much research on FM. Have you? Any thoughts on how to accomplish that? I really don't care if I never have FM in my car again, but I'm curious to know how people are accomplishing that.
Will do on the link. :good:
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The guy who's build I'm replicating used the mini amp, said it was just fine. It's basically the same as the built-in amps on a regular head unit. I may switch to aftermarket speakers/amp/sub in the future, though, so stock speakers for now. Since it has a factory Bose setup, I had to buy a PAC ROEM-VET1 adapter to lower the frequency, which allows me to use the factory speakers.
Yup, definitely can mostly be bench tested first. I haven't done much research on FM. Have you? Any thoughts on how to accomplish that? I really don't care if I never have FM in my car again, but I'm curious to know how people are accomplishing that.
Will do on the link. :good:
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I looked into it and people have used something like this DVB-T Realtek RTL2832U Elonics R820T 50MHz-2200MHz HD TV DAB SDR RTL-SDR Project and used it for radio with SDR TOUCH I ordered one already and will see how well it works on a PC before I get the tablet. You would need to get a usb hub working in order to plug it in and your hdd. I learned a lot from Nexus 7 clean car install with backup cam. He is using the older nexus but I am sure a lot of the same stuff applies as long as you have a kernel that supports it which there is now. My wife could not live without NPR so she has to have radio. It is also nice to have radio and not need data, then you know if there are any weather events or crazy things going on.
aritro88 said:
stupid idea i must say...........
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Search YouTube. Some really cool in dash tablet setups out there. They even have modules avail now where you can use your steering wheel controls with the tablet. For a 200$ tablet, N7 not a bad deal for an in dash car setup. There is a great market out there for supplies and Installers on this exact topic!! Some make them removable, some pop into sight when you turn the key.!! I would love to have the time to take on an in dash Android setup, fun project to say the least.
I suppose it would only be a stupid idea for the non Android lovers and boring dudes lacking the love for technology. Negative kids these day
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Is this a serious post? Obviously if I am looking to hack a 200$ tablet I am not worried about cost too much. Also your idea is easy but I want it to be integrated and clean. I want it to look nice and not just have wires and mount sitting there.
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He is trolling.
Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013) using Tapatalk 4
Yes, it's possible, but has some side-effects
Edit: Sorry, didn't see this whole forum section is about the 2013 Nexus 7. But it still might be relevant if anyone dares to do the same hack on a new Nexus 7...
To answer the original question: Yes, it's possible to power the Nexus 7 (old) without battery, but it involves sending power directly to the battery connection inside the Nexus 7, and it seems to have some side-effects.
The battery is a one-cell lithium polymer, which has a max charge of 4.23 V. I hoped the Nexus wouldn't fry when connecting 5 V, and it has worked fine the few minutes I've tested it. No smell of burnt electronics
Here is what I did:
Tear off the tape around the battery cable. You'll see it's soldered to a pcb-board, and the two black and two red wires are soldered together. The two wires in the middle is probably some kind of data-connection to the battery. Will investigate this further later.
Then I soldered loose the cables, so I could use the battery-connector, and soldered both red and black wires to red and black wires in a USB-cable. Drilled a hole in the back-cover right below the NFC-antenna. The back-cover is filled with all sorts of antennas, so scratch carefully with a knife before drilling. Attached some pictures of the process.
Side-effects I've noticed so far:
- It thinks the battery is at 0% and not charging.
- The clock is reset when you turn off the power. But if you have internet it will update from NTP within a minute or so.
- My computer (OS X) can't detect it anymore. So I suspect it doesn't work in USB device-mode anymore, but I'm able to connect a USB-keyboard with an OTG-cable, so it seems to work in host-mode.
Does anyone else have any experience with this, or any ideas why it doesn't work in device-mode? I'm considering adding a small connector so I can use the two extra wires from the battery to the data-wires of the USB-cable (and disconnect when not in use), and then solder a USB female cable to the original battery. That way I can (hopefully) connect the Nexus 7 to my computer when needed, and possibly analyze what the two extra wires is actually used for.
I have CM for Android 4.2, and Timur's USB-rom, but it's probably not needed for this hack, and I will probably install a stock rom if I get this working properly.
Be careful, and don't blame me if you fry your Nexus (or anything else). Be sure to turn off any fast-charge hacks when the battery is disconnected.
You've done some more testing?
I am also trying to connect directly to the car my nexus.
Thanks for the reply
gregersrygg said:
Edit: Sorry, didn't see this whole forum section is about the 2013 Nexus 7. But it still might be relevant if anyone dares to do the same hack on a new Nexus 7...
To answer the original question: Yes, it's possible to power the Nexus 7 (old) without battery, but it involves sending power directly to the battery connection inside the Nexus 7, and it seems to have some side-effects.
The battery is a one-cell lithium polymer, which has a max charge of 4.23 V. I hoped the Nexus wouldn't fry when connecting 5 V, and it has worked fine the few minutes I've tested it. No smell of burnt electronics
Here is what I did:
Tear off the tape around the battery cable. You'll see it's soldered to a pcb-board, and the two black and two red wires are soldered together. The two wires in the middle is probably some kind of data-connection to the battery. Will investigate this further later.
Then I soldered loose the cables, so I could use the battery-connector, and soldered both red and black wires to red and black wires in a USB-cable. Drilled a hole in the back-cover right below the NFC-antenna. The back-cover is filled with all sorts of antennas, so scratch carefully with a knife before drilling. Attached some pictures of the process.
Side-effects I've noticed so far:
- It thinks the battery is at 0% and not charging.
- The clock is reset when you turn off the power. But if you have internet it will update from NTP within a minute or so.
- My computer (OS X) can't detect it anymore. So I suspect it doesn't work in USB device-mode anymore, but I'm able to connect a USB-keyboard with an OTG-cable, so it seems to work in host-mode.
Does anyone else have any experience with this, or any ideas why it doesn't work in device-mode? I'm considering adding a small connector so I can use the two extra wires from the battery to the data-wires of the USB-cable (and disconnect when not in use), and then solder a USB female cable to the original battery. That way I can (hopefully) connect the Nexus 7 to my computer when needed, and possibly analyze what the two extra wires is actually used for.
I have CM for Android 4.2, and Timur's USB-rom, but it's probably not needed for this hack, and I will probably install a stock rom if I get this working properly.
Be careful, and don't blame me if you fry your Nexus (or anything else). Be sure to turn off any fast-charge hacks when the battery is disconnected.
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There aren't a lot of us in here, but I'm kinda starting to see some off-topic posts scattered about. Not many
However why not have a thread with random, general HTC, U12 comments.
If something can be answered maybe someone will show you the way to the correct thread or help you start a new one in the proper section.
I'll start it off...
I like this phone, its pretty great. Others might disagree. I did my research before ordering the phone and I guess I had a better understanding of what I was getting myself into.
One thing I need some getting used to is unlocking the phone. As weird as that sounds coming from an iPhone X where I just stared it down until it unlocked. Fingerprint needs some getting used to.
Also not surprised to see the continued negativity from news outlets. Yea HTC is going thru some rougher waters, but lets give them some hope. Continuing to beat them while there down is just pathetic. I guess bad unpopular websites or those seeing less clicks are clamoring to get some peoples attention. HTC being their ad revenue
Just some snap and shoot pics I took...
Tachi91 said:
I'll start it off...
I like this phone, its pretty great. Others might disagree. I did my research before ordering the phone and I guess I had a better understanding of what I was getting myself into.
One thing I need some getting used to is unlocking the phone. As weird as that sounds coming from an iPhone X where I just stared it down until it unlocked. Fingerprint needs some getting used to.
Also not surprised to see the continued negativity from news outlets. Yea HTC is going thru some rougher waters, but lets give them some hope. Continuing to beat them while there down is just pathetic. I guess bad unpopular websites or those seeing less clicks are clamoring to get some peoples attention. HTC being their ad revenue
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You can actually unclock it with your face as well. It even asks you to set faceunlock up at first start (and you can set it up whenever via settings)
Tachi91 said:
I'll start it off...
I like this phone, its pretty great. Others might disagree. I did my research before ordering the phone and I guess I had a better understanding of what I was getting myself into.
One thing I need some getting used to is unlocking the phone. As weird as that sounds coming from an iPhone X where I just stared it down until it unlocked. Fingerprint needs some getting used to.
Also not surprised to see the continued negativity from news outlets. Yea HTC is going thru some rougher waters, but lets give them some hope. Continuing to beat them while there down is just pathetic. I guess bad unpopular websites or those seeing less clicks are clamoring to get some peoples attention. HTC being their ad revenue
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Thanks for this post buddy. I've been getting attacked for defending this phone and probably deserved cause I have been a tad bit aggressive but it seems a lot of the negative comments in these threads are coming from people who don't even own the phone. This phone is fantastic and it does not deserve the negativity it is getting. So yeah for me it is frustrating to watch. It's like bandwagon jumping. And they want to keep on and on and on to the point where it looks like they want to convince others how bad this phone is.
And I will go even further to say that some people actually wish they had this phone but can't. I know it makes the negative people mad but it is what it is. If they don't like the phone they don't have to buy it.
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You can actually unclock it with your face as well. It even asks you to set faceunlock up at first start (and you can set it up whenever via settings)
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Normally yes, but I was using it at the time rooted. So I had lost that ability at first.
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Thanks for this post buddy. I've been getting attacked for defending this phone and probably deserved .......
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--rant begin--
I don't care about those opinions anymore. The phone's just perfect for me and whoever else doesn't like it can go off to whatever phones forum they're praising so much. Probably just jealous how amazing the design is.
Anyways I'm looking forward to Android Pie. HTC has done a fairly decent job in the past with releasing major Android updates for flagships.
A redesign of sense would be a nice thing to see. Even maybe some additional control. I'm a stickler for a clean UI and some of the persistent status bar icons that can only be snoozed ie BOOMSOUND. I get it, it's a quick toggle to switch between theater and music mode. Just get rid of it and add it as a quick settings toggle. The constant icon and banner is annoying to me.
Also they should add HTC Music app to the play store so if someone wanted it. They could easily download it. Since it's such a popular app to sideload around HTC forums.
Another thing... Apple sucks when it comes to the Android version of Apple Music. I had an iPhone for a while and still have a Mac. I have a very extensive music library. The Android app is just so sad. For a company previously known for its attention to detail. The app crashes all the time and playlist that's been downloaded/cached to my phone randomly stops playing if disconnect from wifi or go into a bad coverage area. The UI is not fluid at all. It just gives the impression of it being slapped together at the last second and it's been out long enough to see significant improvements.
--Rant over---.
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Just some snap and shoot pics I took...
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Those are nice! I love this camera.
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Normally yes, but I was using it at the time rooted. So I had lost that ability at first.
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It can still be used while rooted, it's other mods and Magisk modules that break face unlock for some reason.
Hi i will ask.. my port usb-c is loose when i plug a usb cable on my brand new htc 12. Same thing on my HTC 10 and same thing in the S9 of my friend.. Note: No problem with this to work. After a little search on google it's normal the usb-c is loose. The old micro usb plug do not do that.
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Hi i will ask.. my port usb-c is loose when i plug a usb cable on my brand new htc 12. Same thing on my HTC 10 and same thing in the S9 of my friend.. Note: No problem with this to work. After a little search on google it's normal the usb-c is loose. The old micro usb plug do not do that.
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Sorry if you tried this already. Is this issue with the same cable? Are the cable OEM cables or third-party?
I have a cheap third-party USB-C cable that one side clips on just fine but if I flip it around the cable comes off easily. While the Anker cables I have fit just fine with no issues
With micro USB the clips that lock cables in place where on the cables not the phone port. With USB-C I don't know where the cable actually clips to.
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Sorry if you tried this already. Is this issue with the same cable? Are the cable OEM cables or third-party?
I have a cheap third-party USB-C cable that one side clips on just fine but if I flip it around the cable comes off easily. While the Anker cables I have fit just fine with no issues
With micro USB the clips that lock cables in place where on the cables not the phone port. With USB-C I don't know where the cable actually clips to.
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OEM and third party cable i have tronsmart. The usb-c cable is a bit loose no matter what phone i am trying it. I have the cable a bit loose since the day one on my htc 10. No problem never with charging the phone. It's just that I have the htc 12 and my friend the S9. I just did not thinking before it was a usb-c cable thing.
I just realized that it's the same thing on my nintendo switch and it's a usb-c. So.. is fine!
Have you a quick charge 4.0 ? Which one do you advise me? The USB-C cables you can keep the same? or not?
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Hi i will ask.. my port usb-c is loose when i plug a usb cable on my brand new htc 12. Same thing on my HTC 10 and same thing in the S9 of my friend.. Note: No problem with this to work. After a little search on google it's normal the usb-c is loose. The old micro usb plug do not do that.
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It's actually the opposite for me. I haven't had any issues with USB-C but always had issues with micro USB. They always wore out quick and HTC doesn't even sell their OEM micro USB cables anymore.
You can claim your charger and cable on warranty but they are on backorder right now.
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Would anyone be willing to pledge donations to a great dev who is well on his way with a great ROM? He may be releasing the first RC in a few days but this poor fella is working hard without even owning the HTC U12+. I say we pledge money until we reach the goal and order this bad boy for him.
Amazon should have a pledge service just for this very reason. What say you?
No need to change the charger for that!
Have you a quick charger 4.0 ? Not many charger are available i can see... Why that ?
Any reviews?
Envoyé de mon HTC U12+ en utilisant Tapatalk
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No need to change the charger for that!
Have you a quick charger 4.0 ? Not many charger are available i can see... Why that ?
Any reviews?
Envoyé de mon HTC U12+ en utilisant Tapatalk
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I haven't seen a QC 4.0 adapter. I'd guess it's because it isn't a huge upgrade from 3.0. Most decent QC 3.0 chargers had Power Delivery added by the manufacturer. Other than that I don't see anything that much different from 3.0
Always get a cable that meets the power required based on your hardware. Also too achieve the full support make sure it's a USB-C 3.0/3.1 rated cable. There are USB-C cables that are only USB 2.0. Some may support PD most dont.. Just read the specs for it.
For my MacBook I use an Anker Cable that's rated with Power Delivery and support up to 45W. It's DATA speed is 2.0 because it's main purpose is power not speed.
Aukey and Anker make great cables for a great price. Cheap cables from obscure companies you should avoid. They're dirt cheap because they're low quality products and prob cut corners in it's design and manufacturing.
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Would anyone be willing to pledge donations to a great dev who is well on his way with a great ROM? He may be releasing the first RC in a few days but this poor fella is working hard without even owning the HTC U12+. I say we pledge money until we reach the goal and order this bad boy for him.
Amazon should have a pledge service just for this very reason. What say you?
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I may be interested in pitching in a bit. I just picked up a U12+ off of Swappa. Going to see how it goes for a few weeks. I need good strong signal for tons of voice calls, and hopefully it's using SCA Carrier aggregation or MIMO to optimize network speed.
There is a lot of clutter. Even worse when connected to Android auto and God forbid you get text or missed calls. I'm sure most of them could've been turned off or snoozed.
However, REALLY!? Come on
Ordered the U12+ online today.
Got e-mail notification that they shipped.
Now begins the waiting game.
I have been refreshing the courier page every 30 mins. I wish they updated more (>.<)"
Weird issue all of a sudden. Edge sense & buttons had become unresponsive (no phone case). First noticed it while in bootloader. Persistent thru out Download, Recovery, and after Android booted up.
Had just flashed magisk (17100) and the TWRP installer 3.2.3-1.
They become functional again for a bit then sieze up again.
Debating RUU and seeing reflashing back to stick fixes it