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Dopod Test ROM striped Down For Download..

Well peeps i like to take the ROM we have here and pretty much take all the crap out of them that i can. So here you go! here is the dopod test rom that can be found on this forum with a 4MB pagepool and almost everything you dont need taken out of it. below are some screen shots I have tested this rom for a while now and its damn fast and has great battery life plus with 62.00 of program memory you can add lots of your own sh*t and still have room left over on the first boot you will have 31MB free of memory... trust me its a really nice rom i didnt build it but like i said just took stuff out that i never use so enjoy folks...
download link from rapid share-
http://rapidshare.com/files/32239884/MyTestRom.rar

Alas, your screen shots didn't seem to come through correctly.
Can you quickly describe
what's in / what's out
how much storage ROM / program RAM
what versions of OS (plus any hex editing you may have done)
Thanks in advance!

CE OS 5.2.1236 build 17741.0.2.1
sorry about the screen shoots... errrr
No Ext-rom removed that and the auto run for it.
all ringtones are removed pagepool set to 4MB like i said. All Sim mangers removed plus other apps that no one ever uses
there is 62.86 storage memory and on a freash reboot 32.oo memory free. Sorry i didnt make a list of everything i took out its just pretty much the dopod test rom vannilla
Still has the old office in it maybe later today i'll put 2007 in but there seems to be huge issues with that. for some reason but i'll post a working cab of OneNote for everyone.

Fast is everything to me!
so thanks!
Right now im on Sleuths Lsvw derivative and it smokes.seriously!
to be honest I flashed Dopod roms twice and was really disappointed...very sluggish performance for me.
Looking forward to feedback here!

look its fast flash and see lol..... i noticed that with the apps i run custels and JJ's rom's slow down a bit with this one they stay up to speed plus the storage memory is huge. if you dont like it flash back to what you have now

I agree....its the only way to tell.
Need to start a like, 5pt poll on every rom and rate 1-6 or whatever.
Dutty's and Lsvw's blazed.....I cuncur on JJ's slowed for me......even when buzzin (just love the aesthetics.....use the today page on every Rom)
But was just pointing out that the dopod based Roms were slow(est) for me....which is why I look forward to feedback.

manilla2d vs HTC Home in memory terms

Hello, I was usgin joshoss V8B2 manilla2d and with some apps installed (via device update) I was left with like 10 megs free, so I tried the PDACornerPro.V27 - Build 20759 NonRBSN Josh-Abs (both greeeeeeeeat ROMS!!!!) and installed basically the same apps with the addition of HTC Home to have a nice look and feel (closer to manilla)... and ended up with around 12 megs free.... so I'm not sure which one is eating more resources.... any idea? manilla is still more unstable, right?
diego

Personally I do not feel that manila is for the hermes, until I get my touch3g I am going to run HTC home and spb mobile shell.

I am also quite interested in the study...
Currently using HTC HOme and happy with it, but if Manilla doesn't consume much more resources (In terms of RAM: for the storage we can all use a Micro SD anyway...), I would immediately switch !!!
Anybody can comment more?

I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...

I am a streamline fanatic and like to keep my resources in check. Personally, on the Hermes I think Manila eats up to many resources.
Maybe in the earlier versions there might have been some memory leaks, but I noticed that in the end, I would end up with under 20megs of ram. And if you play with Manila that would go down. HTC Home uses about 4 megs.
Also when I had Manila on, I found that Opera would crash more often, mostly due to running out of memory while it would never do such thing while running HTC Home.
Also I noticed some sluggishness on the Hermes while using Manila, which also sometimes took a little longer --5-10 seconds-- to load, depending on the ROM.
So all in all, once HTC Home is loaded, it is always almost instantaneous, while Manila would again slowdown the phone in mid-operation. And by that I mean switching from the Today Screen to let's say settings or programs.

ultramag69 said:
I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
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I believe Josh's version is stable (from what I read)

Hi guys,
I tried like 4-5 Manilla 2D builds. They all had some bugs which weren't such a pain in the ass, but they were annoying. I was using PDA Corner V25 - great rom. Several days ago I installed PDAViet's Manilla2D v20 ROM and I must admit it is great. I didn't have any problems with manilla in terms of performance. The RAM left is 21MB on boot. The overall performance of the ROM is great. All apps work as fast as on the abusalza's rom. However I haven't tested the YouTube app, since I don't use it. The only problem is the lower in call volume compared to abusalza's rom. And if you use video call, I'm not sure if it's included.

I used multiple ROMs with Manilla 2D .. im now flashing backa again to a ROM without Manilla because i had too many problems with it.. i'm used to listen a lot of music... but with manilla on my Hermie the battery is empty so fast that sometimes i don't even have the chance to lsiten to the music ( i recharge it every night.. and i usually listen to music at about 15:00 pm.. by then it's already on low battery =s
on the other hand there are some stupid buggs in it.. like youtube doesnt work... sometimes the usb-connection doesnt work.. or what also bothers me is the volume control that is removed from audiomanager... there are also some other small problems which bother me but i'm not going to spend any more time on it right now
sorry for my bad english =)
ps. if somebody finds a tool for me to change the music player in manilla ( like from audiomanager to windows mediaplayer) pm me pls..

yes, in my case, I was using Josh's version and it was very stable and had I think all functionality working...the problem was after installing some apps, and after runining for a while opening and closing things I get an error of out of memory...
is there a way to make all "Device Update" to install on storage card?
will some more space on main memory help the RAM issue?

I've tried it out a bit. I'm using update 19 from here, and the Manilla 2D Customiser. On CRC's 13.0 naked non-big storage rom, I used UC to put on all the cab files in the right order, except for the Opera and Youtube apps. Using the customiser, I have removed the internet, mapping and settings tabs, and it runs pretty smoothly. Usually between 18-20MB RAM free. This does tend to go down a bit with usage, but I tend to soft-reset daily, and its not really a problem.

been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.

SlakerBoi said:
been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.

When I try to update library from storage card it will start to adding files then stop. Any suggestions. It worked fine with another rom I was using.

thunda_chunky said:
I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
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i really have the same problem asa u, and now i do not deside to flash any ROM that had installed the M2D, & I like Spb Shell most, cause it is nice and stable

Does Manila 2D really a good UI for Trinity?No!

Hi guys,
Dont know how about yours, bu my trinity even cannot play video after I have manila 2D in my rom! The system will show me "there are not enough memory to play this video" just after a few second I load it.
My point is, we buy wm phone is for running many programs that we interested in. But with manila 2D, our trinity can no longer complete most of tasks properly. So, is manila 2D really a good UI for us?
Hope cooks can make lite roms, and manila 2D cab. Then people can install it if they really like it. For others, we can still have a fast, reliable device to do everything we like!

Manila uses too much resource as trinity has only 64MB Ram

i agreed. it also makes other oem apps behaved differently and often lead to insufficient memory issue. i think it might works well with other devices.

i also agree with you. With Manila battery consumption is also very high

John-Wu said:
i also agree with you. With Manila battery consumption is also very high
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hi, dude, I found the same problem too.
with manila 2D my trinity will run out of battery in only 2 days, even I dont do anything.

I think your poll says it all. 50:50 response, more or less.
At the end of the day, it all depends what you use your device for.
High application users can not expect their device to run well with Manila2D. That seems to be accepted by all ROM cooks. (It would be like a serious runner expecting to get good use out of a pair of Nikes, Pumas or Y3 Yamamotos - can't be done, even if they are up to 60% off).
Low application users can, however, enjoy Manila2D. With mpenguin's customiser tool, the possibilities for theme generation and customization are endless. That's why it's one of the busiest threads in here!
Mattster.

Pushing the Trinity to it's Limits!!!
Please see my post here for my thoughts on this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2842722&postcount=32

It's all about free RAM. Unfortunately we can't convert storage to free RAM.
Deactivate Manilla2D from your Settings>Today and reboot. Free ram increases from 23MB to 28MB. Also depends on the way you have HTC TaskManager configured. Services running in background like largetitlebar, htcvolume, sqm. NETCF3.5 and why didn't MSFT released it yet on wm6.1 and on newest builds.
Battery consumption: how can an app draw battery without using energy consumption hardware such as lcd, sd card and comms? I suggest that indicated values might not be real...

Mattster_spv said:
I think your poll says it all. 50:50 response, more or less.
At the end of the day, it all depends what you use your device for.
High application users can not expect their device to run well with Manila2D. That seems to be accepted by all ROM cooks. (It would be like a serious runner expecting to get good use out of a pair of Nikes, Pumas or Y3 Yamamotos - can't be done, even if they are up to 60% off).
Low application users can, however, enjoy Manila2D. With mpenguin's customiser tool, the possibilities for theme generation and customization are endless. That's why it's one of the busiest threads in here!
Mattster.
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hahaha, you are funny.
my point is vanilla rom is good, not manila rom

g77 said:
It's all about free RAM. Unfortunately we can't convert storage to free RAM.
Deactivate Manilla2D from your Settings>Today and reboot. Free ram increases from 23MB to 28MB. Also depends on the way you have HTC TaskManager configured. Services running in background like largetitlebar, htcvolume, sqm. NETCF3.5 and why didn't MSFT released it yet on wm6.1 and on newest builds.
Battery consumption: how can an app draw battery without using energy consumption hardware such as lcd, sd card and comms? I suggest that indicated values might not be real...
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g77 I do agree on your view, but the fact is, trinity will consume more power after we install some software, like S2U or Manila2D...... And I have seen many people report that.

I'm currently running "WWE_20755_Lite_Black_Pandora" found here.
It's not the LIGHTEST rom I've ever run, but it sure does run smoothly and quickly! I'm staying around 50% memory, and I have not found a bug yet. You can add all the apps you like or keep them out, it's up to you. It's using build 20755.
Great work Team CV93+Oggi !!

Manila uses too much resource!!!

surferpalm said:
Manila uses too much resource!!!
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The one I link to above is Manila Free... Like I say, MUCH quicker running and More Memory. I do miss the Manila Interface, but my phone needs to be more reliable on a day to day basis. I'll still try Manila ROMs as they come out though.

SuperSport said:
I'm currently running "WWE_20755_Lite_Black_Pandora" found here.
It's not the LIGHTEST rom I've ever run, but it sure does run smoothly and quickly! I'm staying around 50% memory, and I have not found a bug yet. You can add all the apps you like or keep them out, it's up to you. It's using build 20755.
Great work Team CV93+Oggi !!
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Thanks Super Sport , However I would like to have your expert advice on the full manila2d version
Best regards

chanvi93 said:
Thanks Super Sport , However I would like to have your expert advice on the full manila2d version
Best regards
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Ok chanvi93,
I will admit, that out of all the Manila M2D ROMs that I tried, "WWE_M2D_BLUE_Pandora" was on my phone the longest. For those who wonder, it can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436424
It was the smoothest, with most things working for my needs. Of course that's just MY opinion, but for me it worked the best.
There are of course MANY Great ROMs out now, and I suggest everyone try them all to find the one that fits their needs. It's really fun to try each, and see if you can find workarounds for each of their little quirks. But so far, I cannot find any quirks in the "WWE_20755_Lite_Black_Pandora" version.
I hope this helped!

HI, I agree with ppl who talk about RAM, because i use tomtom and is dificult to use with manila in my trin.
(sorry my inglish)

I am just currently trying my first manilla rom- Karamba last. I liked it for the first few days as i was on holidays and not using it much- now i am back in the real world manila is just too resource hungry to work well. Cant run core player and mysporttraining at same time in gym, programs keep crashing on me.
I am going to try and disable manilla and try it with just spb mobile shell- i will give that a few days before i go to the lite rom mentioned above- that was my second option.....

Possibly n00b q: roms that use memcard instead of rom?

I've seen a lot of those great roms that unfortunately are using up all but about 20MB of my Hermes phone's memory. But I've noticed that some of the apps that come with it could be installed on the memory card instead of main memory, freeing up a lot of memory.
An example is google maps, which is using up an extra 2MB of main memory. Why can't rom authors make a rom that then instructs you to install as many of the apps as possible manually, so that you can specify to have the app install on the memory card instead of main memory?
I'd like to uninstall google maps and other apps, then install them manually onto the memory card, but unfortunately since they're cooked into the rom, uninstalling them doesn't release any mem.
Any no, I already know about the 'lite' versions; I'm using a lite version, but even lite versions have apps that could be better installed on the memory card.
And no, I already understand that if I don't have the memory card installed, the phone might not operate properly. I know that. I don't plan to remove it (and never do).
I guess what I'm after is a Manilla build that has all the main functions available, but then gets you to install the rest on the memory card.
A cool way to do this would be to have a zip file that has all the apps installed on the memory card, and all you have to do is place them on your card before flashing the rom. The rom could already assume (be configured) to expect the files to be on the card already. Provided the mem card drive is running before any dependencies run, it would work.
It would be great to free up 5MB of main memory and still use Manilla and other memory hogs.

Intresting point, and i fully agree how useful this would be, i guess i always tried to get a lite version as well, and then manually install any apps after, just so i got as much memory left to run m2d itself. Look forward to hopefuly an answer on this one.

M3NF said:
Intresting point, and i fully agree how useful this would be, i guess i always tried to get a lite version as well, and then manually install any apps after, just so i got as much memory left to run m2d itself. Look forward to hopefuly an answer on this one.
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Ummm - you mean like a naked build? :|

You have to remember too, some apps install to main memory even though you choose the sd card. Some don't give you the option and some apps, no matter where they are eat up ram simply for being installed...

That would be great for testing roms.. For example, i installed custom rom for my Canon Ixus70 digital camera, and it works perfect.

There are loads of naked builds, but you have to remember that the SD card is slower and uses more power than the internal flash rom. (As far as I know).
Also, things like Manilla 2D only work with everything installed on-board.
The other problem is that TF2D Is slower when not cooked in, a lot so (Again, in my experience).

veyka said:
There are loads of naked builds, but you have to remember that the SD card is slower and uses more power than the internal flash rom. (As far as I know).
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You are absolutely right about this one )))

Ok, sure, there are trade-offs, but I'd happily trade speed for just being able to use a Manilla build without Opera killing everything and visaversa. Just as an option.
But I'll look for a naked Manilla build. Perhaps a cook might try exploring this different approach as an interesting offering. It might gain traction with those that want more memory and don't care if Opera runs slower.

douginoz said:
Ok, sure, there are trade-offs, but I'd happily trade speed for just being able to use a Manilla build without Opera killing everything and visaversa. Just as an option.
But I'll look for a naked Manilla build. Perhaps a cook might try exploring this different approach as an interesting offering. It might gain traction with those that want more memory and don't care if Opera runs slower.
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I think there are TF2D roms without Opera?
for example this rom by Josh is a lite tf2d one!
removed from rom:
MS Office 6.1
Flashlite
NetCFg config
PimBAckup
Pshutxp
GOOGLE MAPS -latest
Bright screen
eXtraDlls
OSX Blue keyboard skin to match theme!
Jade random access
HTC YouTube
Ringtone Plugin 3
Opal ShareDll
Raphal Dshow
WKtask Manager
Screen Rotate
FTP for bluetooth packages, Bluetooth Printing
RSS Hub
Opera 9.5
AudioManager, and Audio tab -removed
Internet Tab pointing to PIE
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Anyways, he cooks lots of custom flavours for people, if you chucked him a donation im sure he would cook you one

There are very few naked m2d roms thou, i guess thats the problem most as listed have alot of added extra like keyboards, opera and pim backup, i guess i personally like as said a naked version but only the needed m2d system items and then no extras so i can just the install what extra personally used to myself, again others could also do this.
I love the roms that are out there, but they all come with these extra and not a naked version that i can find.

M3NF said:
There are very few naked m2d roms thou, i guess thats the problem most as listed have alot of added extra like keyboards, opera and pim backup, i guess i personally like as said a naked version but only the needed m2d system items and then no extras so i can just the install what extra personally used to myself, again others could also do this.
I love the roms that are out there, but they all come with these extra and not a naked version that i can find.
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i hear you dude... i think i'm feeling the need to do a bare bones build up somtime soon.

Thats great to hear josh, i liked you builds so far, and there fast, but personally to much is added that i would not use. A fully working m2d, but take out all the extra apps apart from crc update. This would give a great speed but also allow everyone else to add easyly anything else.
I tested a few roms now, but finding one that has a real naked version is so hard. I know making roms must be hard, and take time. Chefs like you do it for the people, and there is no way to get a rom a personal way when so many people would like it different items on it, happy to please us all

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Ok, sure, there are trade-offs, but I'd happily trade speed for just being able to use a Manilla build without Opera killing everything and visaversa.
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Opera is killing everything not because of ROM but not enough RAM. I agree with you on both points and this is the reason I don't use any Manilla2D ROMS due to not enough ROM and RAM.
I need a ROM with as much RAM free as possible as IGO8 etc can use a lot of memory. Everything superfluous and surplus to the ROMS running should be left for CAB installs or left out of the startup. (I don't need start clean)
Josh's ROM in my sig is good but it could still do with getting in the gym and being a bit leaner. (Office can be installed as a CAB) and after going to 4MB pagepool from the default 6MB I had 28MB straight after install.

Which UI for Hermes

So, had my Hermes for several years now and tried many ROMs and UIs in that time.
Now we seem to have a two main choices for UI: Manila or Titanium.
I've found both of these UI's take up a lot of resources and they're buggy, especially the new fancy versions of Titanium and I'm having to soft-reset frequently which I find frustrating.
In order to get a cast iron, fast phone, I'm even considering flashing a modern ultralite ROM and putting HTC Home 2 on there.
Any other suggestions either as to:
1. A UI thats easy to install and doesn't take up masses of RAM
2. A ROM with a modern, none buggy version of Titanium/Manila which still have about 25M RAM?

i was using hermes for several months, bricked it and after several months i unbricked it. it is very usefull phone for me. but youre right. if i have to reset every here and there, its not a point.
recently i tested roms from lets say first 10 posts in this forum. tonight im going to install darkvisions 5.15 and add a few things that i miss. titanium launcher, i.e.
i hope that will satisfy me until i learn how to cook or untill somebody makes something better

No matter what the starter RAM is, open up the menu's and phone canvas and you're probably down by nearly 4M already.
Outlook and contacts seem pretty good, only about 1M for both.
Then Nimbuzz is a whopping 6M which is still better than running messenger and skype together.
Add on IE and its another 1.3 (not sure what opera is as my skills can't switch to mem usage without killing Opera )
So, for the basics its about 12-13M from the baseline
I've found TAI's version 14/15 pretty good so far around 23M free (with activesync running). Means, with my essential apps running, I'm around 10-11M free. Means I can still run Google maps, word etc ok.
It would be nice to have beautiful Manila or fancy Titanium (bug free) and about 20-23M free, just not found it yet. Any suggestions?

slowndes - I'm in the same place as you:
I'd got frustrated with my WM5 Hermes (SPV M3100) as Home2Pro and lovely community applets were rendering it slow, unstable and with poor battery life.
I tried several OEM ROMs and with/without custom ROMs on top; and then running Home2Pro. Certainly I get better performance with OEM ROM only.
But I now want PointSuite v2... And I think the "stripped" AT&T OEM ROM - used by many chefs - is still too "heavyweight" for my requirements. I'm still looking for a very light WM6.1 OEM.
And, after hours of hunting through these hallowed pages, I'm still looking.
Any ideas from anyone out there?

Since my last post, I'm downloading a couple of potential WM6.1 bare ROMs:
Black Satin - been around for a while now, but consistently good feedback;
CRC_r13.4_Naked_BigStorage - latest incarnation and offers a lot of space.
I'll road-test these over the coming few days, with Home2Pro and PointSense suite v2 on 'em; and I'll post my findings into this thread.

Oooo - installed CRC WM6.1 as per above; which, in its raw state, is a slick and sexy ROM.
And then I installed Home2Pro on top; plus my usual WiFi modem / Opera Mobile 9.7 / DinarSoft RAM optimisation applications.
(I've left off PointSense v2 Suite until 2.0.1.1 comes out - 2.0.0.4 has a few integrity issues it seems).
But I'm getting the lightning-fast speed and stability I've been looking for.
I am one very happy bunny. I recommend this. A lot.

I used to use whatever 6.1 ROM and install SBP mobile shell. Its pretty bulletproof, but not really that integrated into the phone, just a pretty surface.
I used Josh's SpringTime build pretty much for the entire summer, until I dropped my phone and the RED / GREEN buttons stopped working all the time. VERY WEIRD, but I decided to flash to FCW's new rom.
Its called Red Mist and its Build 23004.5.3.0 (according to the About screen). You can get it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=509194
I also installed PdG TouchFLO 2D dialer. It REALLY helps when you have big fingers. I have mis-dialed since. You can get it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429179
I flashed the OEM Stripped rom first. I think it makes a difference.
My phone has not worked this well in a LONG time.

If you looking for WM 6.1 for me the most stable is faria.r32
now im with dark vision 5.0 the plathform is 6.5, but for 2 days i cant tell you nothing special about it just nice look, many apps

carcomp said:
I think it makes a difference.
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You think well - it really makes a difference

I'm in the same position as the first Poster. Now I trying all the Complete-Roms, then the Light ROMs with SPB Mobile Shell, PointUI, Manilla, Homescreen++, Wisbar Adcance, ..., and then hopefully have another ROM for the next Years, as Schaps ROMs was for me in the past.
Trial and Error....

Is there a thread/wiki with a comparative of free RAM from various ROMs? The xda-wiki one is quite outdated. How about all of us post the free RAM after a clean install + customizations + reset?
I'll start off first:
CRC_r13.4-naked / 5.2.20270 / WM6.1 - 26.86 MB

slowndes said:
...Now we seem to have a two main choices for UI: Manila or Titanium....
1. A UI thats easy to install and doesn't take up masses of RAM
2. A ROM with a modern, none buggy version of Titanium/Manila which still have about 25M RAM?
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Take also a look to other UIs which somtimes uses less memory:
Homescreen++ more Skins more Manilla Theme more more / Battery Status
ThrottleLauncher
UltimateLaunch
PointUI
iPhoneToday
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