I wish i knew how to hack the xda's those who can are lucky. The point of this post is to see if a few hackers and developers can conquer the bluetooth headset voice dialling issue. It would send waves through the community if achieved and would be a real class feature which the XDA's do deserve. .....Just a thought
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it's not a question of hacking it's a question of developing software which would listen to the stream of sound comming from the headset and recognize and dial or link it with a voice dialer program
Yes, if it was achievable I am sure it would have been done by now. The XDA 2 is severely brain damaged in my opinion, so much potential lost through releasing it with a bluetooth stack that doesnt do the job that it should. When I saw bluetooth as part of the spec, I thought I could plug in a headset and use it for voice dialling, in fact it was one of the features that made me buy...................you know the rest of the story. :?
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.. When I saw bluetooth as part of the spec, I thought I could plug in a headset and use it for voice dialling, in fact it was one of the features that made me buy...
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Same here :x It really is quite an oversight.
it truely is.... strange a big software company has not tried devkoping something. If its to do with the bluetooth stack there is a program out there that lets you edit the stacks and reduce the amount of them to allow for highier transfer rates would this help.... just searching for ideas....
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it truely is.... strange a big software company has not tried devkoping something. If its to do with the bluetooth stack there is a program out there that lets you edit the stacks and reduce the amount of them to allow for highier transfer rates would this help.... just searching for ideas....
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The main player in Bluetooth software was Widcomm, but since they have been bought out by Broadcomm, they are now only interested in supplying stuff to OEMs. Therefore it is up to the likes of Microsoft, O2 or whoever to do something about it. And I dare say they will ..... eventually :x
only microsoft
no phone companies i've ever heard of develop applications on that level of complexity
I found a few old (and dead) threads on the subject, but I wanted to start a new one now that there are a lot more Evo owners out there who may help keep this going. Feel free to bump this and maybe we can get some support from the devs by demonstrating this will be worth their while.
I have read that the phone was not loaded with a proper Bluetooth stack making the Evo incompatible with several Bluetooth devices out there; the PS3 being one of them. I don't know how accurate that is, or if there are more underlying issues which prevent my requests from being plausible. With that said, here is a list of things I would be interested in:
1) Instead of paying $20 for the Blu-Ray remote for the PS3, I'd rather pay for an app that can control the basic functions of the PS3's media player. Me, personally, I don't like using the PS3 controller for video playback AT ALL. Also, it'd be one less remote to have in the house if I can use my phone instead of Sony's remote.
2) Use my phone as a headset. I cannot stand having an earpiece or headphones on for longer than a few minutes. If I could just pair my phone to the PS3 with a speaker phone option during online gaming, that would be LOVELY.
3) The most obvious one is being able to use the phone as a keyboard instead of buying the keypad that attaches to the PS3 controller. I do have the keypad, but I would put it on eBay in a split second if I were able to do it with my phone.
I'm sure there are some other things people have thought of that would be handy. Feel free to PM me anything else you may want to be able to do and I will gladly add it to the OP. Hopefully there are enough people out there interested in this so as to warrant the devs taking the time to figure this out. Honestly, I do not have the time to maintain a bounty thread, and it is not my intention to start one. However, I will say that I will make a $50 donation to anyone who can get this to work, as that is how much the Blu-Ray remote and keypad cost me on eBay. I am confident that I will not be the only one who donates, but again, this is not a bounty thread and will not be treated as such. If you say you will donate and one of the devs comes through, please keep your word and make your donation.
Mods: My apologies if anything I posted here is outside of the guidelines of this forum; feel free to call me out on any changes I should make.
Thanks in advance to all the devs, mods and forum members for your support on this.
sounds like a good idea, but also sounds far away from become a reality
HOPE THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS
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sounds like a good idea, but also sounds far away from become a reality
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Our phones can already work as remotes for certain applications, which leads me to believe it can be done by someone with the knowledge and (more importantly) the drive. With apps like Gmote 2.0 already on the market, I don't see why not. I have a Samsung Bluetooth ear piece that pairs to my PS3, and it is 2-3 years old, at least. Why can't the phone do it?
Maybe an app isn't even necessary. Maybe it can be a flashable file that just adds Bluetooth info to whatever is on the phone.
I'm pretty sure this is possible. +1
Devs will correct me if I am wrong.
I love this idea. Id throw in 20 if its workable.
And another twenty if I could use my phone as a tv remote.
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Well, now that a root method was found for Evoers with 2.2, maybe this thread will be more successful.
almost over a year old. Ill throw 10$ into a pool to get this working.
Well, nothing like a stroll through memory lane every once in a while.
To get things started here is an article talking about Siri useage. This is an interesting exact from the article:
"Making phone calls and sending text-messages are the most popular activities, according to the report, a sign that Siri usage is mirroring how people use their phones more generally. Roughly a third of 4S owners use Siri to place phone calls, send text messages, or look up information daily or almost daily."
In other words, people are using Siri to do what every Android and Windows phone does, and does quite well already.
Now to go back to this thread titled "Windows phone lost another to Siri".
So, let us face it... Android and Windows Phone have voice recognition software that can accomplish exactly what most people are using Siri to do right now. The rest is fluff. I know I went on record saying I can see why someone would want to say "Call John" but I cannot for the life of me see the point in some of the other "Knock Knock... Who is there?" things.
If everyone rode their bike straight from home, to work, and back home... we would never have learned backflips are possible.
Thank goodness for some fluff in life.
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If everyone rode their bike straight from home, to work, and back home... we would never have learned backflips are possible.
Thank goodness for some fluff in life.
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Okay, let us run with the analogy. Why then are people in that thread somehow trying to paint the picture that backflips are an important and useful part of riding a bike?
If you read through that thread (you made some appearances in there) some people believed Siri was the greatest thing ever. Backflips certainly are not the greatest thing to happen to bike riding...
I said it before and I will say it again, Siri as advertised is a gimmick.
Call ohgood = useful
Open program = useful
Interacting with your phone like it is your best buddy = slightly disturbing.
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If you read through that thread (you made some appearances in there) some people believed Siri was the greatest thing ever. Backflips certainly are not the greatest thing to happen to bike riding...
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I got this at least 3 times.
Continuing the analogy..
I asked 3 different people riding different coloured but the same bike "How did you end up spending so much money on your bike?"
The answer I got, though worded differently by each rider, can be summerized as "Because I can do backflips all the way to work and then also when I go back home, I do backflips after backflips".
the point that you guys don't see: People love to own stuffs that they don't even use them regularly. They just love to have them so if they need them (and probably never) they can use it. It is just a common thinking of people.
I know some people who just use phone for calling and texting only, and they have an Android Smartphone just to make some calls and send some message a day... And they are so proud of their phones because they have thousand of apps (i hardly ever see they use more than 3 apps) and ... fast...
It is just like money, some people really live to save up big money and hardly ever buy anything which is not necessary. It is just a good feeling when you have a lot of money in your pocket, same with the functions of siri.
Or just like me, who hardly ever have to drive around, feel terrible because my phone can't acquire the GPS signal to track down where i am . So you can't really blame people for that. lol.
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the point that you guys don't see: People love to own stuffs that they don't even use them regularly. They just love to have them so if they need them (and probably never) they can use it. It is just a common thinking of people.
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I understand what you are saying and take your point. Just remember I am have no problem with people wanting something they are not going to use. My issue here is not with the average consumer, it is with the technically inclined people who defended Siri as something that would somehow change the way people interact with their phones.
So far touchscreens have changed the game times over what Siri has done.
No contest: Siri all the way.
I used a test phone at a best buy, and it picked up my voice saying "make me an appointment for Tuesday at 2pm". No problem at all.
I can barely get TellMe to properly display "are you coming home". Takes like 4 tries.
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Okay, let us run with the analogy. Why then are people in that thread somehow trying to paint the picture that backflips are an important and useful part of riding a bike?
If you read through that thread (you made some appearances in there) some people believed Siri was the greatest thing ever. Backflips certainly are not the greatest thing to happen to bike riding...
I said it before and I will say it again, Siri as advertised is a gimmick.
Call ohgood = useful
Open program = useful
Interacting with your phone like it is your best buddy = slightly disturbing.
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(i rarely go back and read old threads, so i'll trust there was fun stuff there)
of course, a lot of the usefulness will depend on the user and the commands given. user input will dictate just how useful any application is. backflips, triple backflips, or just a blind man getting to 'drive' to taco bell.
the creativity that is possible, or requests posed to the maker of the app may do something revolutionary. maybe.
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(i rarely go back and read old threads, so i'll trust there was fun stuff there)
the creativity that is possible, or requests posed to the maker of the app may do something revolutionary. maybe.
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It went on for 11 pages so you can bet it was a barrel of monkeys It was more or less a debate about Siri with some people being skeptical (me), in the middle, or totally swimming in the koolaid river.
My fundamental problem with Siri being used as an effective method of interacting with a phone is the effort outweighs the action. I share this same skepticism with using a kinect + windows 8 as a method of navigation (a keyboad and mouse just is a better tool).
Anyway, it is clearly a user preference thing. Some people will make it useful and fit into their lives. I can't help but think Siri is Apple's way of sticking with a crappy static UI instead of going with a more dynamic one that can display more information on the home screen(s).
I don't know if this is still true, but the last time my sister and I compared her iPhone 4s to my WP7 is that hers can't read a messages and reply using hand free. I use tellme when I need as little or no hand interaction with my phone, like driving. If this is still true, this is where tell me trumps siri....reason my sister has WP7 envy.
Anyone use Ask Ziggy in the Marketplace yet? Supposed to be similar to Siri.
I use Tellme to send texts, and my friends (all of them, ha ha) have Siri. While we do the same things with them, I have noticed they have higher accuracy with the voice to text than I do. I've held an iphone side by side to my focus and said a message to both at the same time. Siri gets it right while my focus misses a few words. The added functionality of Siri doesn't matter a bit to me because I'd never use it, but when I try to send a message saying "yes ma'am" to my mom and Tellme decides to send "yes mammoth" it makes for a righteous laugh but also shows room for improvement.
Is TellMe a separate app than the one that is voice recognition built into the Messaging App?
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Is TellMe a separate app than the one that is voice recognition built into the Messaging App?
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No, TellMe is the built in one.
reminds me of a time when my friends and i were comparing Siri and TellMe, neither could send a message properly without 4/5 tries. maybe the phone don't do asian accents too well XD
but recently it's gone a lot better on my phone, imo
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Anyone use Ask Ziggy in the Marketplace yet? Supposed to be similar to Siri.
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it's slow and inaccurate, good fun though
I'm not a siri hater (I think it's really neat) but I can't stop laughing when Stern tries to use it on his radio show and it fails at EVERYTHING he tries. It must not understand his voice well or something. He hates the damn thing.
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... but when I try to send a message saying "yes ma'am" to my mom and Tellme decides to send "yes mammoth" it makes for a righteous laugh but also shows room for improvement.
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The thing about TellMe, and Siri (I'm sure), is the tone of voice and sound matter. I speak quickly, so my device doesn't quite get what I say. But, when I'm a bit more sing-songy, it works much better. Let the tones move up and down with the words.
When saying "yes, ma'am" to my Lumia 800 right now, I got "yes maam" as what it captured. Not too bad.
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The thing about TellMe, and Siri (I'm sure), is the tone of voice and sound matter. I speak quickly, so my device doesn't quite get what I say. But, when I'm a bit more sing-songy, it works much better. Let the tones move up and down with the words.
When saying "yes, ma'am" to my Lumia 800 right now, I got "yes maam" as what it captured. Not too bad.
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And it is a bad thing if you have to move away from your natural speaking manner in order to get what you need done. I believe there is a place for certain interactions, where these inputs are best suited.
A keyboard and a mouse is best suited to complete a majority of tasks on a personal computer as it is designed now.
Touch (and multitouch) inputs work best in a flat architecture where the user wants to expand a selection. For example a grid of icons on a screen where these icons take you to your final destination (launching a game). Touch inputs really fall down when you take several steps towards a destination, or have to drill down to get what you want, for example start -> documents -> tax returns 2012 -> open excel sheet.
This is how I feel about voice control. Too much work to complete certain functions.
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And it is a bad thing if you have to move away from your natural speaking manner in order to get what you need done. I believe there is a place for certain interactions, where these inputs are best suited.
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I disagree in that how we speak absolutely matters. This technology is still pretty new. And the one variable is that few people speak the same way. How good are the softwares at recognizing how we 'mispronounce' things? Take the Siri "Rock God" commercial. The guy on HuffPo who was attempting to debunk the ad didn't use the same diction as the kid did.
The kid clearly stated Rock God. Two separate sounds. The first ending with the same consonant sound that the second begins with. The debunker actually glottalizes the phrase. He closes his gottis on the "ck", so never actually produces the consonant. This is covered by the fact that the second word begins with nearly the same sound as the first ends. So, he gives us "Rockod". This is two sounds combined into one with only a single consonant sound to separate them, when the correct speaking requires two hard sounds.
Also, inflection matters. Given that the English language is based on consonants and hard sounds to close our words, we overlook a lot of the tones/inflections that are always present. Speech recognition needs some of that, I think, to better understand what is being said.
Lastly, all of these types of conversations remind me of a book I read by Jonah Lehrer, called Proust was a Neuroscientist. He breaks down how many artists of their era and modality actually predated matching science. Gertrude Stein, for example, liked to break down language. He mentions her line "a rose is a rose is a rose". She's not talking about roses. She's making the sounds and reorganizing them:
"a rose is a rose is a rose"
"a rose isa rose is arose"
"a roses a rose..."
So, "isa" is a sound, but what does it mean? hehehe
Given the complexity of linguistics and speech recognition, and how quickly I speak, I'm willing to make concessions to help TellMe be more successful in correctly guessing my words. A little more use of tone and proper word start/stops go a long way.
Let's give the tech a few more generations before we start moaning about it. It's not Dragon, after all.
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Anyone use Ask Ziggy in the Marketplace yet? Supposed to be similar to Siri.
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I just downloaded it a few days ago. Initial tests were not terribly impressive. Maybe I just don't know how to ask it things the right way. Often it seems to get a few key words and just starts rambling incoherently. I need to spend more "quality time" with it before I decide whether to keep it or not.
What has your impression been?
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im planning to get a in ear beats headphone. i was just wandering what is the actual difference between the ibeats and urbeats beside the controltalk and look??
what would u prefer??
Beats == Crap..
C5 == Win ... http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Headphones/Headphones/C5/overview.html
I own the P5s. Tears up Beats every day. http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Headphones/Headphones/P5/Overview.html
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Same reason people in an Android forum take every opportunity they can to bash the iPhone and iPad; they have common sense and do their research before buying. People that buy name brands from chain stores like Best Buy and the Apple stores deserve every bit of criticism they get for their knee-jerk shopping sprees, because it is a well-known fact that those products are terrible and the consumers that buy them are being scammed.
Because there exists a credible headphone review site called Head-Fi that collectively knows universes more about headphones than a nobody like you. How about you try using Google and reading a review or two before you lash out at someone.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/605857/review-bowers-wilkins-c5-iem
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Now about the name brand thing you mention. Ok, for me and I can only talk about me. I am not going to spend money on something I cannot test for myself. I don't know, but you might have the finances to spend $100-$1000 on ten pairs of headphones online to try them out. Some people don't.
I understand that there are websites like the one you mention and are credible. I see them as people on the internet with opinions. It's under maint right now, but on this website you linked to.... Do these people that make these reviews have credentials that can be checked to make sure that they are a specialist in headphones? I am asking because I have never been there. What sounds good to one person might not sound the same to another. I'm not saying that I know anything about headphones, so I don't know where you got that from.
I didn't really lash out. I more so vented about the beats==crap thing. The iBeats that I own work great for me, sound great for me, and the quality is great for me.
You know what though whatever. It doesn't even matter. You win.
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I think you miss the point the guy was making. The op asked a question about beats, why not just answer that instead of telling him beats suck? Any post anyone ever brings up beats people start saying they suck. Who cares? Unless the op is asking for an opinion on the beats vs other headphones, why say beats suck get some thing else? Just my opinion.
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This was the point I was trying to make. Thanks for clearing that up.
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"It seems to me that many people no matter the message board. When they see the word Beats they seem obligated to come in the thread to bash the product." Maybe it's because there's some truth to it.
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Using that logic the opposite can be said too. Beats are extremely popular in terms of sales. Must be a reason no?
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They're popular because they're endorsed by Dre. That's it.
i enjoy my Ibeats, the sound quality is quite nice. I dont understand what people have against beats. They severed their partnership with Monster monthes ago.
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They're popular because they Monster Cables got Dre to endorse them. That's it.
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Just because someone famous is endorsing them you think that's the sole reason people buy it like crazy? You do realize this isn't the first time in history a famous person is endorsing something. Ludacris and 50cent, just to name a couple, also endorse headphones but next to no one buys those.
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