I am thinking to tweak my Universal to 128 MB, but what exactly is the benefit?
I think the speed will go up because the os can put files in the ram but it is really noticeable?
Thanks
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Apps like Opera and Navigon will greatly profit from more RAM as they eat our measly 30 MB free RAM (best case) alive. You might see more speed on previously slow tasks like opening the Windows folder if the ROMs cache settings has been tweaked to suit the available RAM. But other than that programs just give you a message once you run out of memory and as there is no page file no slowdown occurs.
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Hello everybody ! I have a question for the smart guys around here : i have read a lott o this threads and it seems to me that you have an obsession with the storage memory. Why is so important to have a big storage when you can put on your device a micro sd card ( mine is 2 gb) . I hope someone to work on the running program memory on a rom. is it posible to unlarge this memory from a rom ? sorry for my bad english
costeai said:
Hello everybody ! I have a question for the smart guys around here : i have read a lott o this threads and it seems to me that you have an obsession with the storage memory. Why is so important to have a big storage when you can put on your device a micro sd card ( mine is 2 gb) . I hope someone to work on the running program memory on a rom. is it posible to unlarge this memory from a rom ? sorry for my bad english
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There have been a couple of devs that have tried to utilize storage (ROM) as a cache for RAM to increase performance, and it dosen't work (impossible really, two different types of memory). If you search in the development and hacking forum (use google) you can find the threads (they are kind of old). Really there is not alot of trickery you can do to get RAM up in a cooked rom.
The reason the devs try to free up more Rom storage is that apps loaded on the internal ROM generally run faster then those coming off and SD card, also certain programs do not run well if installed on a sd card (dialers are a great example of this).
There are several lite roms available in the forums and generally these roms will have much higher available RAM (they are loading less programs at startup). If you like you can take a full rom and disable some of the programs at that automatically startup (ftouchflo, htc home, etc.) and this will generally result in more available RAM.
However besides having less apps running (and thus less funtionality/ease of use) there is very little you can do to free up extra RAM on a PDA. I would recommend use download OXIOS hibernate and close apps,google xda oxios cab and you should find it. This app can be run (I assign it to button 5 and hold) to free up extra RAM that closed programs have not realease. Also make sure that you are completely closing programs not just minimizing them (take a look at memory or task manager once in a while) if you have a problem remembering to do this change your settings to completely close apps when you tap the X button. If you do these two things you should not have an issue with running out of RAM.
As a note you can run lots of apps with as little as 22MB or RAM at startup, in fact several Rom's (notabley Kin0kins and to a lesser extent Farias) set aside free ram to speed the device performance (it is no longer available to run apps). These Rom's generally use 6MB page pools and have file caches setup as well (I'm not sure if farias has a file cache). These types of roms (or other roms with the page pool and file cache changed) are generally much faster than other roms and I've still never run out of RAM (as long as I use task manager to close apps I'm not using and run oxios once in a while).
Hope this helps
I second what aaron said.
When I was deciding how much pagepool to set on my new ROM, I ran tests to see just how low my FREE RAM could go before I had problems.
I had to EXAGERATE the number of simultaneous applications + run IE with tons of webpages to go down to 2mb of free ram. Only a bit later while browsing on IE did I get a "LOW RAM" error.
Before the LOW RAM error, my phone was running just as fast as when it had 20mb of free ram.
What makes the phone slow is mostly CPU processing time. Low ram wont slow down your phone, it will simply stop you from loading anything more.
thank's guys, i am a little smarter now than i was before . i promise i will make a donation soon coz' you are the best there is...
I have just upgraded to WinMo 6.5 and, although, it runs pretty smoth, it eats up to much RAM. I have disabled push internet, opera staying in memory, etc, and it still uses (without anything else running) 41% of RAM. Starting and ending programs rushes up the RAM usage to above 50%. Applying RAM Sweep and/or cleanRAm does not bring back all the (dis)used RAM. Are there any other ways to clean as much RAM as possible? In WinMo 6.1 my average RAM usage was 35 to 38%.
you could try using Timor.8 rom.. has everything stock from european version.. has optimize for low usage of ram... smooth and stable, and after i use cleanram, i wait awhile for another use and everything seems to settle down and drops back down.. you should try it
hey I was wondering myself, how much total
Storage and Program rams do you have?
I am using the timor.8slim rom and I am having
Total: 184.41 MB
In Use: 103.30
Free: 81.11 MB
I am just wondering if the total is normal? I thought it had more?
My AT&T Tilt2, using Energy Rom now:
on the Hardware information tab, I see RAM Size: 288 MB， Flash Size 512 MB，and Storage Size 241.6 MB。
But, on the Memery/Main tab: Storage Total is 241.6 MB, and Program Total is 183.47 MB。
I think the RAM is used for Program, while the flash mem is for Storage. Then, my question is where the other memory is?
If you have a stock rom, the at&t bloatware takes up the majority of it.
I flash mine with a custom rom, which rids the phone of the bloat/crapware.
I also flash to a no manila version, which takes out the touchflo3d graphics, which I don't use, and that gives you more ram/memory/storage.
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My AT&T Tilt2:
on the Hardware information tab, I see RAM Size: 288 MB， Flash Size 512 MB，and Storage Size 241.6 MB。
But, on the Memery/Main tab: Storage Total is 241.6 MB, and Program Total is 183.47 MB。
I think the RAM is used for Program, while the flash mem is for Storage. Then, my question is where the other memory is?
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Those Storage and Program Totals are more-or-less the same with most ROMS....not that I've tried most ROMs but a sampling.
For example, on my Valky ROM the Storage Total is 271 MB and the Program Total is 181 MB.
I am not using the stock ROM now. Originally I thought it was the Stock ROM that has some function like ghost, which enables the OS to restore completely. Obviously I was wrong.
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If you have a stock rom, the at&t bloatware takes up the majority of it.
I flash mine with a custom rom, which rids the phone of the bloat/crapware.
I also flash to a no manila version, which takes out the touchflo3d graphics, which I don't use, and that gives you more ram/memory/storage.
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You are right. But where is the missing memery? What are they used for?
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Those Storage and Program Totals are more-or-less the same with most ROMS....not that I've tried most ROMs but a sampling.
For example, on my Valky ROM the Storage Total is 271 MB and the Program Total is 181 MB.
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What is it you think is missing?
The Hardware Information tab also list OS Program Memory under RAM and OS Memory under Flash size. The Memory Main tab doesn't list these totals, but they are in use by the OS.
The 288MB of RAM does indeed exist in your device, but the way the OS uses it makes much less of it appear in the Memory dialogue, as much of the RAM is not usable for programs (so there's no point in displaying it). 32MB of the 288MB is part of the baseband, and cannot actually be used for programs. Anywhere from around 8MB to 24MB of RAM is part of the Page Pool, which is somewhat like a HDD memory cache in Windows. In addition, some RAM is used for the framebuffer, the radio stack, and the XIP (OS kernel), among many other things.
There is an article on MSDN, written by the Windows Mobile team, which goes into slightly more detail about how RAM is actually used on a Windows Mobile device. But the short answer is that Windows Mobile uses a lot of RAM for critical, low-level functions which have RAM reserved for them. Windows Mobile decides it shouldn't display RAM that will never be used for running userspace applications, so the RAM displayed on the Memory applet is often much less than the actual hardware RAM present in the device.
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the short answer is that Windows Mobile uses a lot of RAM for critical, low-level functions which have RAM reserved for them. Windows Mobile decides it shouldn't display RAM that will never be used for running userspace applications, so the RAM displayed on the Memory applet is often much less than the actual hardware RAM present in the device.
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Thanks much for the explanation and the link to more explanation. I knew I'd read months ago...somewhere...that there was a good, non-mysterious explanation, but didn't spend the time to find it.
I have a sprint Touch Pro2 with Energy rom & iphonetoday UI which works quite well.
I am looking for a faster rom with smallest footprint and free memory in excess of 128 mb so that I can run IGO GPS.
I dont need the cht editor or the rest of the stuff.
The GPS is known to have out of memory issues if the available free memory is less than 128 MB
Please suggest
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I have a sprint Touch Pro2 with Energy rom & iphonetoday UI which works quite well.
I am looking for a faster rom with smallest footprint and free memory in excess of 128 mb so that I can run IGO GPS.
I dont need the cht editor or the rest of the stuff.
The GPS is known to have out of memory issues if the available free memory is less than 128 MB
Please suggest
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You could try Loading your programs onto the SD Card, this would most likely solve the memory issue, the TP2 supports up to 32gb SD, I have a 8gb and have loads of space and i have tons of programs loaded.
its about free ram not storage space. I already have 8 gb SD card installed.
I have total ram of around 181mb out of only 111 mb is free for use.
IGO needs 128 mb free to work properly
Freeza's Bare Naked, one of Calkulin's older stripped roms, a Titainium Rom like UserRom, or maybe Scrosler's Sprint Basics rom with Sense disabled or even downlowd Scrosler's kitchen and cook one for yourself.
Any Titanium ROM will do.
I have freezed the unuseful apps and im usin startup auditor, Why my ram is still too high? What can i do? Please help
Try Supercharger or [email protected]'s scripts. The threads are just a few blocks down.
Well v6 isnt effecting too, i used build prop. i wanna use local prop. its effective.
I use auto memory manager and my ram stays between 90 to 120 without any special scripts!! Try it and tell me if it wrks
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Not ram manager pro ??
IMO having less ram is not a good idea in android device. android device has different ram management. when an app is started, it will be stored in ram's cache to make it started faster when it started again. when the ram is almost full, it will automatically delete ram's cache and stop some some app. in this way, android devices will have better performance and battery saving. its almost useless to clear ram except in some cases when we need a huge ram space to run a big program.
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IMO having less ram is not a good idea in android device. android device has different ram management. when an app is started, it will be stored in ram's cache to make it started faster when it started again. when the ram is almost full, it will automatically delete ram's cache and stop some some app. in this way, android devices will have better performance and battery saving. its almost useless to clear ram except in some cases when we need a huge ram space to run a big program.
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I dont understand you. When i clear ram its 80+ but now its 130+
Kurotsugi post is cent percent correct.
You shouldn't run after cleaning your ram
I'm having 220+ ram for average use. my zenonia 4 is running smoothly and never got a problem with any app. as I've said, android device will store recently used app in its ram cache. thats why the ram usage will raise rigth after you clear your ram and start to use some app. this is normal and won't affect in your device's performance much. I thought our ram setting is balanced between running app, background app, and system app. you can change the setting with ram manager pro or minfree to have more space for running app and background app.
Exactly! So much of fuss about RAM. My RAM consumption is always 240+, even after a reboot. Never had any problems.
Woah 240+?? what u are using?
dont forget,only used ram is good ram in linux(android is linux).greeeeetz
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Woah 240+?? what u are using?
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240 is my minimum RAM usage. Well, Go Launcher, Go SMS, Go Notification, Go Locker and AI Type Keyboard are always running in the background. xP
Try [email protected] scripts
Try [email protected] battery and RAM Saver , Im using it and my ram is just consuming about 132 - 109
Im supercharged. It'l conflict.
more RAM = more battery consumption ?
more ram doesn't always mean your device will consume more battery. yes, its true that our device use more battery power to start up the program, write the onto the ram and run them. nevertheless, linux have unique method to save more battery. after a program is minimized, the program is not erased from the ram. it will be stored in ram's cache. in this way, our device could start the program without write the program onto the ram again. this method will avoid to repeatedly write and erase the program on the ram which consume a lot of battery power. this is also the reason why most android program doesn't have exit option.
owwww , thanx , i hav a bad habit of clearing ram every now and then , even if it is at 130 or 150 ..
m not gona clear it now unless system be lagging
that's normal if you have 160 ram that's the lowest ram that i've reach in my galaxy y even i press the clear memory its still 160 or below... if you feel that your galaxy y is lagging why you dont want to try Andrenaline Engine that imbawin made even if you reach 200+ ram it still fast even your ram are 60MB left