Hi everyone,
I ordered a replacement case for my prophet and of course had to break something and have some extra parts after I thought I had finished.
Where do the small metal and plastic parts go, and do you think it's possible to solder the lead back to the speaker?
Thanks, Robert
the small metal clip goes on the sides, after u remove the plastic middle, u can see them on the inside, there's 6 in total if i remember corectly.
plastic bit is i think, for the stylus 'holder' if u understand me. look where the stylus goes on the inside.
i guess u can solder, is that the new speaker?
hope that helps
bits and pieces
wanwarlock, thanks for your reply.
I think this prophet had already been tinkered with as there is no evidence of the metal clips.
I have tried to solder the leads back to the speaker, but I think I'll need a replacement.
As for the plastic bit, the stylus of course fits through the hole, but there is no groove or hole it would snap into. The only indication of its former place is the fact that it's made of the same transparent violet material as the cover of the IR port.
Any new thoughts?
Thanks, Robert
use the service manual from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385944&highlight=service+manual
the black bit according to it is actually the head phone jack holder! hmmmmm
those small clips are so flimsy, maybe you've actually lost em? is yours bought new or 2nd hand. anyway, i guess those clips don't matter cos i think i lost 1 or 2 of them & my prophet is working fine.
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:? Boy do I feel dumb.
I've been using a 3-1 stylus (from Proporta) on my M2K and today the plastic "tip" got stuck in the unit's slot! Peering down the slot using a desk-lamp I can see the tip and it's off-centre to the actual axis of the hole. It looks like the hole for the stylus is NOT a tube - but is instead merely an opening into the unit. (thinking about it - I'd noticed that the stylus tip was "awkward" to fit into the slot a couple of times - obviously it had been getting caught in the body-work).
Stupidly I've further compounded my troubles by attempting to fineagle (technical term.. ) the tip out by using a biro refill - and the tip of the biro refill got stuck in the stylus tip!!! AAARGH! :shock:
Looks like I'll need to dismantle the entire bloody unit to get this thing out - so... how do I do it, what do I need, and where can I obtain the tools??
DOH!!!!
Damm, your having one of those day's
Just as a side note.
Don’t buy or use 3 in 1 stylus, they will break the clamp in the device holding the stylus in place so the stylus gets so loose that it will slide out and in without any resistance
Check your warranty before taking your unit apart!
You'll need a T6x60 and maybe a T7x60 drive. Then search for a thread on this forum that will guide you through the dismantling process.
good luck!
nomadman said:
Check your warranty before taking your unit apart!
You'll need a T6x60 and maybe a T7x60 drive. Then search for a thread on this forum that will guide you through the dismantling process.
good luck!
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somehow I doubt Orange will be terribly impressed with what's hapened!!!
Anyone know how much it would cost to have the unit dismantled by a repair workshop (and thus maintain the warranty)? And is there such a place in central London?
Why not try the finest tad (more technical phraseology) of super glue on the end of your 3 in 1, push in hole, wait 1 minute and pull out. It might just work and surely would have done without that biro bit. Got to be worth a try - but be frugal with the glue !
By the way, I've used a 3 in 1 form Proporta for 3 months now and the old stylus fits and is retained just the same as its always has done (just tried it).
Stylus.
Hmmm I dont remember where i bought mine, but this is the second time i need to get the 9090 to service.
There is no resistense at all, it just slide in and out by it self
They are going right to the trashbin now.
Do you have a link to where you got yours??
Bottom stylus is the original.
Much more soft in the area where the clamp goes in
Mine came from here;
http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=933&t_mode=des
But having looked at your photograph, and had a good look at my stylii, the 'shoulder' is different on my original stylus and that from Proporta - just as your picky shows. Still haven't had a problem though - YET.
Don't like it that you have to take of the tip to use the pen as reset tool
The ones i got are working very good, but I just cant use them any more since they destroy the clamp.
Here's one more pic.
I don't. I just use the tip of the stylus for re-set.
If you pull out the stylus and look into the hole in the BA, does it look like white plastic clamps in your BA.
I can se 2 white plastic clamps in mine.
Yes - just the same !
Since we both have plastic clamps, my stylus clamp shoulders must be the reason for the defect in the BA.
Well then I can only say to anybody reading this thread, don't buy 3 in 1 stylus that look like the ones in the pictures :!: :!:
TIP: Use a software to reset the PPC. I use CLaunch on normal reset. During lockups, I have to use the stylus. But that's only 1out of 10 resets.
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~welic/claunch.html
nomadman - sir, sorry this is out of the topic.... i just noticed your ROM version... where did you get the ROM update for our XDA IIs?
Thanks!
YAY! Fixed it last night.
1 T6 driver and 1 small flat bladed screwdriver were all the tools necessary.
Just removed the 2 silver screws, and 3 of the black ones (the "Void" sticker was untouched) and the rear cover was loose enough to allow the very flat blade of the screwdriver in just far enough to dislodge the "item" and it just dropped out.
reassembly was easy and the only shock I got was when I turned the unit back on the emergency battery was nearly dead!! I'd only had the main battery off the unit for 5 minutes!!!! Not terribly impressed by that I have to say.
I'm OK with taking things apart and putting them back together. Are there screen shots of someone taking the Blue Angel apart and fixing the stylus clip?
Please post
or even a video clip?
DIY Blueangle fix
Hi,
I had been using HTC BlueAngle for almost 2 years and very happy with it.
When I first got it, I dropped it the next day. The stylus holding clip was broken off. At first I tried to put tapes around the stylus to hold it in place.
It didn't work out at the end and I opened it up and put a piece of foam in the stylus tube to add fiction and avoid it fall out. I worked nicely.
I still love my BA even I am using HTC Universal most of the time.
Cheers
I have the same problem. Nice tip, thanks, I'll consider it too.
u dont have to do all that, the main reason it becomes loose is the bit of plastic that is attached to the frame gets weak... just open the back with the specialist screwdrivers which can be bought off ebay for nomore than £5 and either superglue it back into the correct place or just rest something like paper to make the plastic bit stick out a bit more so that the stylus gets a tighter fit....
go for the quick fix...just stick a 3mm width masking tape on the top part of the stylus and it is good to go. adjust the width of the tape according to how tight you want your stylus to be in place. HTH
Hello,
the glas of my touchscreen is broken. the touch-screen-foil seems to be ok.
i heard it's possible to take of the foil - replace the glas (since it's a normal glas, that just prevents from funny colors on the TFT when you press on it) - and glue the foil on the new glas.
a lot of people already successfully did this with ipaqs - i've even found manuals in the internet.
but the main difference is: that glas is glued with normal tape in the ipaq.
i disassembled my blue angel. there it's glued with i don't know what - i couldn't manage to get it of the metal frame.
does anybody know, how to do it ?
thank you.
andreas
Yes it is possible. I myself had a cracked touchscreen. I got a new one off eBay. They sent me 2 times a wrong touch screen and even the 3rd one was slightly too big, I thought I'd go crazy!!! Well, after 2 months without my beloved BA I got this big touchscreen and I managed to solder it in (although you need some experience) and now it works like a charm.
So - eBay, and courage is all it takes Oh, and about 10£ (15$?)
Stefan
so, could you please tell me, how you managed it to take the glas of the metal-frame? thank you...
Well, it's broke anyway, right? Don't be shy. I took a thin, sharp knife (like a carpet knife) and slid the blade right between the glass and the frame. The edges might crumble a bit but once you're in between you can (semi-destructively) separate them. On the lower side of the screen there is a rubber band under the touchscreen, if you're careful enough down there you might have a chance not to cut it, anyway, mine's gone and it didn't matter.
If you want to be very sure, have a vacuum cleaner running next to you, the glass is very fragile and breaks into very small pieces easily.
Stefan
Coucou !
I've already dismantled my TP2 without any major problem.
I took the screen apart from the bezel, but they stuck together with a foam adhesive, which I don't know where to find it.
I call my local major electronic reseller, but he doesn't have any and doesn't know where to find such...
Can you help me, as my phone relies into pieces on my desk, not usable!
I hope someone has the answer.
And sorry if my english is wrong, I'm better in French !
Hi,
I had the same problem, eventually used a product called (in the UK) Evostick Serious Glue which bonds to glass and sets in 3 mins, I then assembeled it and clamped the whole thing together with small rubber faced clamps until set.
Still holding 6 months later although I wouldn't like to try taking it apart again.
Coucou !
As I can see, this foamy adhesive has an non-negligeable thickness, about .2 to .4 millimeter... Is it about the same with this glue?
And I thought about Neoprene glue (correct word?). What do you think of?
And first of all, thank you for your answer and your advice!
I am going to replace the screen of my hd2 and I've read a lot about it. Some people advice double sided tape with 3 millimeter wide. Or you take 2 or 4 millimeter but you get my point
Maybe you could try to find that instead.
Coucou !
Just double-side tape? No foamy stuff ? OK, I'll wait for your answer and then try, as my phone is still in pieces on my desk...
I tried double sided tape to begin with but it wasn't strong enough, and was very difficult to cut to the small strips required.
The glue is a gel which doesn't run all over the phone casing like a low viscosity superglue and I would imagine does take up thickness but likely not as much as the original foam.
You can google it, it's on the Bostick web site, comes in a silver tube but doesn't say what the active ingredient is to find a similar product in France.
Gordon.
Coucou !
OK, I'll follow your advice, as I'm about to buy Evo-Stik Serious Glue, as seen here:
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Evo-Stik-Serious...pplies_Stationery_ET&hash=item4399564359#shId
And I'll have to wait till delivery, may be next week...
By the way, I maid a mis-spelling! I said "fought" instead of "thought"...
I was asking you what you think about neoprene glue, as I already have some at home. So ?
Thanks again!
Hello again,
Yep that's the stuff It's supposed to set fully in 2 hours but I left mine clamped overnight just to be sure as it gets full strength in 24 hours.
If you don't have small rubber faced clamps I'm sure you can rig something up even just leave it under something fairly heavy. If you're lucky and it holds after the suggested 3 minutes you may not even need to do this but mine was still moving after 3 minutes so I decided to clamp it.
I'd guess your neoprene glue is some sort of rubber adhesive, possibly a vulcanising glue which will melt rubber for bonding, repairing punctures etc., it may smell of petroleum but I guess it will be no good for your phone.
Good luck, let us know how you get on.
Gordon.
Coucou !
I bought that now-famous Evo-Stik Serious Glue as I said in my later post.
So it should be now somewhere between England and France!
ASAS I received it and rebuild my phone, I'll get in touch and give you some news.
Hit post #11 for a walkthrough on replacing the earpiece.
Funny but kinda looking for serious replies as it is quite important
Nokia AAC-0510 seems working. (Chinese) http://www.itfunz.com/thread-84490-1-1.html
Somewhere on this forum is a link to a Russian blogger who pulled one apart and (apparently) swapped out speakers.
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Just to report back i received the k850i earpiece today and successfully replaced it with the original one from the Defy, works perfectly and no modding at all except flattening the terminals slightly, its a very snug fit but is working fine and is much clearer than the original one in terms of call quality. Maybe the mods could sticky this or something incase anyone else has the earpiece problem. Total cost of repair £1.99 for earpiece and about 30minutes of my time !! much better than sending to motorolla for weeks on end in my opinion.
Cheers
Wizard123
That is great info to know! I am more confident in getting a Defy now knowing I can fix it on my own.
Any guide with pictures for us?
well done wizard123
i hope i will never have to do what you did with your speaker but... who knows?
yes a detailed guide with picture and tools-to-use would be a nice idea - really useful for all the people who void the warranty
A quick question...
What's the waterproofing situation like? Is there a membrane between the earpiece and the outside world or is it built into the Defy earpiece?
No problem guys, i hope you never have the issues but i know it did hit alot of people including me and motorolla claim mines was out of warranty being only 3 months old ?! but hey i dont have time to argue or mess about as i need my phone.
I will try to get some pictures up but in the meantime follow these steps it is so so simple :
1. Remove battery & SIM card
2. Remove the 7 screws from around the phone casing and the 2 silver screws underneath the back cover. ( You will need very small torx bits )
3. Separate the two halfs of the casing, ( very stiff and fiddly but dont be affraid to use a little force )
4. Carefully lift off the 2 connectors on the main PCB board and lift it out ( careful not to lose the yellow rubber washers )
5. Use a small pair of pliers or long nosed pliers to gently grib either side of the earpiece and slowly wiggle side to side untill it comes loose and lifts out ( This takes patience as it is very well glued in but does free off )
6. Take your new K850i earpiece and place into the slot with the two springy copper terminals facing up towards the top of the phone ( you dont HAVE to but i did flatten the terminals a little bit so not to bend the PCB board when you place it back in ) having the springy terminals on these earpieces placed the correct way up creates a very solid connection to the board too unlike the original earpieces which dont have any at all just flat terminals.
7. Return the PCB board back into position and reattach the 2 connectors removed in step 4.
8. Return the casing back into place and install all the screws ( dont forget the 2 SILVER screws FIRST, these hold the PCB board down to the casing and hold the connection solid to the earpiece )
9. Place SIM card and battery back in and boot up your fresh earpieced Defy
Pictures to follow soon hopefully
Cheers
Wizard123
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Have attached some pictures to reference, hope they help
technome said:
A quick question...
What's the waterproofing situation like? Is there a membrane between the earpiece and the outside world or is it built into the Defy earpiece?
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There IS a tiny tiny membrane between the earpiece and the casing and does appear that it would still be waterproof but i have yet to test that and not sure if i will as it is a BIG BIG risk lol ( maybe though hmmm )
Thanks for that.
So the membrane stayed with the handset casing through the procedure?
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having the springy terminals on these earpieces placed the correct way up creates a very solid connection to the board too unlike the original earpieces which dont have any at all just flat terminals.
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That's interesting. Maybe the failures are caused by poor connections in the first place. Perhaps a pre-emptive strike with some electrically conductive paint would save the day. It's claimed to function as an adhesive.
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wizard123 said:
No problem guys, i hope you never have the issues but i know it did hit alot of people including me and motorolla claim mines was out of warranty being only 3 months old ?! but hey i dont have time to argue or mess about as i need my phone.
I will try to get some pictures up but in the meantime follow these steps it is so so simple :
1. Remove battery & SIM card
2. Remove the 7 screws from around the phone casing and the 2 silver screws underneath the back cover. ( You will need very small torx bits )
3. Separate the two halfs of the casing, ( very stiff and fiddly but dont be affraid to use a little force )
4. Carefully lift off the 2 connectors on the main PCB board and lift it out ( careful not to lose the yellow rubber washers )
5. Use a small pair of pliers or long nosed pliers to gently grib either side of the earpiece and slowly wiggle side to side untill it comes loose and lifts out ( This takes patience as it is very well glued in but does free off )
6. Take your new K850i earpiece and place into the slot with the two springy copper terminals facing up towards the top of the phone ( you dont HAVE to but i did flatten the terminals a little bit so not to bend the PCB board when you place it back in ) having the springy terminals on these earpieces placed the correct way up creates a very solid connection to the board too unlike the original earpieces which dont have any at all just flat terminals.
7. Return the PCB board back into position and reattach the 2 connectors removed in step 4.
8. Return the casing back into place and install all the screws ( dont forget the 2 SILVER screws FIRST, these hold the PCB board down to the casing and hold the connection solid to the earpiece )
9. Place SIM card and battery back in and boot up your fresh earpieced Defy
Pictures to follow soon hopefully
Cheers
Wizard123
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Great guide there - may well help quite a few people
technome said:
Thanks for that.
So the membrane stayed with the handset casing through the procedure?
That's interesting. Maybe the failures are caused by poor connections in the first place. Perhaps a pre-emptive strike with some electrically conductive paint would save the day. It's claimed to function as an adhesive.
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Yes only the earpiece came away from the casing using the method i applied but again i can't swear by the membrane as it could possibly be different with other variants of the phone ( although i doubt it ).
And plus for me atleast, i'd rather have a working phone than a waterproof phone ( just me though )
I am nearly certain its an actual defect with the earpieces because if you blow the earpiece with some canned air it will function for 5-10 seconds before going off again.
I do think there may be a problem with both the connections and earpieces though as the way the oem connections are designed in the Defy for the earpiece contacts are piss poor, excuse my french lol.
Well, I'm sending my Defy in for repair today, after my earpiece started playing-up intermittently over the weekend. I tried to insist on a replacement but Motorola's support team were adamant that a repair is my only option under the terms of my warranty. Ah, well. I've got a spare phone.
That said, I will likely "paint" the earpiece connections upon its return and it's good to know that the K850i part works. I may buy a couple as a precaution.
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Well, I'm sending my Defy in for repair today, after my earpiece started playing-up intermittently over the weekend. I tried to insist on a replacement but Motorola's support team were adamant that a repair is my only option under the terms of my warranty. Ah, well. I've got a spare phone.
That said, I will likely "paint" the earpiece connections upon its return and it's good to know that the K850i part works. I may buy a couple as a precaution.
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That sucks man sorry to hear that, it seems to be not if it will happen but when it will happen with these earpieces, yep motorola sucks for customer support to be fair. I hope your phone comes back ok though, alot of people have had it repair only for it to fail again a few weeks later.
Can I just double check which seller you got yours from as I've had a look on ebay & the three that are for sale look different styles - unless the pics are not of actual items?
Cheers
sp8y said:
Can I just double check which seller you got yours from as I've had a look on ebay & the three that are for sale look different styles - unless the pics are not of actual items?
Cheers
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The actual one i used is this one :
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300370841729&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
There is an actual motorola one that has the same terminals as the original but ( my opinion i would not trust another earpiece from them ) :
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220640434368&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
I wouldnt worry too much if they look slightly different aslong as they are for the k850i as it will most likely be because they are from different manufacturers
Hope that helps
That's great thanks very much
Might just order one to keep as you never know when it'll stop working.
I had my earpiece replaced by the company, you should really send it to motorola and don't mess around with the device.