Hi,
Last few days I've been trying a bunch of unofficial ROMs.
Here are my experience and ideas about this whole situation.
* There should be a "TIDY" ROM thread, or a wiki page, (including comparison if possible). I'm willing to start the initial work, if needed.
* More sticky threads needed, so that each team/individual can post in those threads, and that only.
What I liked best was the Diamond Project and then Dutty's "hybrid" ROM. But neither was error-free. Then I've been through totally messed-up ROMs, hardly reverted back, to the stock ROM and tweaked myself.
IMO, Those ROMs should be more "generic", so that more people can use em, and they should be avoiding "geeky, cute" graphics (salut, Diamond Project's beating-hearts ). ROMs should also be looking more "professional" (see 1.93.456.2's boot screen).
Anyway, keeping on MY ideal ROM idea, it would be great if it had these:
* OTA updates (AppToDate) looks very promising
* No personal applications (tomtom, skype, other BS games) should be included.
* Opera 9.5 b1 is out, AND AWESOME should be included.
* No TouchFlo3d Themes, PLEASE
* Should be tweaked well. (And applying whole set in the tweaks thread is not "tweaking well")
* All unnecessary stuff should be removed (incl. bunch of wavs, images)
* And yea, should be based on the latest official ROM :b
Anyway, this is my two-cents
Nice thread, thanks maybe it can help cookers to bring up what really the needs are.
So I'd like a modulable ROM, as the GM360D Lite edition. I'd like the latest core and as an Elive distro ("beta" docet ) all the last-minute nightly builds of each component.
I would be useful for developers as well as for those want check the last miiles of any package.
Anyway I guess Opera is a must have, as well as a registry editor, a PDF viewer and player (VLC or CorePlayer).
I use also SyncMate for Mac (I have a MBP) and it could be insert as default (driver is less than 40kb).
I'd like also a touchable Calendar (XDA docet ) and a VNC Client.
I can't forget the wonderful display of my Diamond then I want a stunning GUI.
Makes sense, there is a wiki page already and anyone can edit it I guess ..
Personally I would prefer Skype and Tomtom to Opera, it is not really usable on such compact device regardless of what version it is ..
Good idea....imo, it should be a thread with all the "slang" for ROM flashing....for some newcomers (like me) words like SPL or RUU sound scary...
You are the first, (wanted to write the similar
Absolutely agree!
By me, I prefer "lite" line. More choice for user's fantasy
Impossible to make "universal" image.
Duttys_Diamond_HybridV1 my choice at last moment. The fastest & stable enough. Very smart programs list. But... not ideal, of course.
May the best way - this scheme, aka "modular":
"kernel" - the minimalist image;
"modules" - list of optimized programs for this image.
"tweaks" - .regs for image or program.
So....
i like CLEAN ROMS without any Additional programms (like youtube, googlemaps...) and NO TF3D , and provide all them in CAB files so u can instal any 1 u like manually or per UC!
The thing is, every single person wants something different from the roms, thats why theres so many different cooks who make different roms and even different versions of those roms but you can never satisfy everyone.
I do a lot of work on Vista Sidebar gadgets, i start off making a gadget for myself, then i decide to release it purely so the wider community can enjoy it too. Then I get a few people who want an odd feature or two so I put it in because it'll make them happy. Then by the time everything is said and done people are moaning at you because you put in too many things and it's bloated and doesn't do EXACTLY what every user wants. I imagine this is a similar scenario to what the cooks here go through.
I don't really have a point, but I guess I'm trying to say is be grateful of the Devs, it's not easy trying to please everyone and what you want isn't necessarily what others will want.
I do agree with the idea of basic and lite roms though, they allow the devs to make optimised roms and the user to install whatever apps they want.
hertc said:
Makes sense, there is a wiki page already and anyone can edit it I guess ..
Personally I would prefer Skype and Tomtom to Opera, it is not really usable on such compact device regardless of what version it is ..
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Well, actually what I meant was that applications like Skype, Tomtom, or other installable applications should not be included
Btw, I wasn't expecting this much "good" replies.
I hope cooks -especially Diamond Project members- will hear those comments.
I completely agree. It's like building your own computer and catering it to however you see fits vs. buying a pre-built computers with a bunch of unneeded software taking up spaces (im not discrediting cookers with their own unique ROM! They did a fantastic job!). If someone could baked a fast, barebone ROM and give users the choices of installing their own programs, that'll be fantastic.
i think all of us agree to have a stable ROM with biggest Storage and RAM, and that can be reached only with CLEAN ROMs.
I have 1 question, is it Possible to have a ROM Package which ask u before Flashing starts, which Softwares do u want to include? an Interface with a list of programms to un/check? just a thought!
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I'm a little confused on which ROM to go for. Ideally I need it for the following purposes:
1. IT Management/Networking - For my employment
2. University Purposes
3. General purposes as I also work freelance.
I would also hopefully like it to be fully loaded with apps as I'm not going to install anything else and also fast and stable. I have a 1GB Card for storage if that helps.
If anyone can suggest something I would appreciate it.
try all roms if you hav time
im using t-mobile beta but duttys supa dupa rom is great
schps 3.60a great but just wait till 3.60b few isues now
TNT V2 is loaded. But so are some others. U need to read the COOKS rom threads / posts for information and see which one U want for yourself. Also, their are a number of rom POLL treads around.
hello friend! I already used lots of roms,, I like Shaps roms!
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I'm a little confused on which ROM to go for. Ideally I need it for the following purposes:
1. IT Management/Networking - For my employment
2. University Purposes
3. General purposes as I also work freelance.
I would also hopefully like it to be fully loaded with apps as I'm not going to install anything else and also fast and stable. I have a 1GB Card for storage if that helps.
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There will never be a "perfect" ROM; each chef has their own favourite base applications that they cook in to the ROM, but these don't always suit everyone.
You're not giving too much away, are you??? What device do you have, what country are you in, what provider do you use, etc.....
As for "purposes", they're pretty nondescript - IT Management/Networking is my job too, but there are countless add-on applications you might need over and above the standard issue WM6 apps (like RDP client - and there are several versions of that!!). University purposes; does that mean you need Word or OneNote for lectures, or what? Similarly, Freelance covers a multitude of sins......so you're a freelance what?? Hitman, photographer, journalist, the list goes on.......
Everyone you ask will recommend their own personal (current) favourite ROM, but their favourite may not suit you at all. As for my personal recommendation, it would go something like this....I use JJ's Black ROMs - currently Black Satin, but I have also heard good reports of Schaps 3.57x series of ROMs (the 3.60 series is still being developed and there are one or two oddities still being ironed out).
Honestly, your best bet would be to start with a "Lite" ROM (one without all the extra crap built in) and then add the things you want; networking utils, productivity tools, etc....oh, and the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT thing to do before you start on your ROM flashing expedition is to READ - the guide(s) written by MrVanx (http://www.mrvanx.org) and the XDA Wiki for the Hermes (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes) are essential reading material.
Everyone who has replied to your post has given good advice - it's up to you the route you take, but there are plenty of willing people ready to help if you get stuck along the way.
Enjoy!!!
Mark.
for the time being tnt v2 is the most fastest and stable one...
I had this dilemma, I eventually went for Schaps or whatever it's called as it seems the most popular all rounder. I'm loving it and I think I'll keep it on. I get extremely nervous flashing ROMs so once a year sounds good to me, can't afford to be indesicive and brick it.
would suggest any ROM with LITE versions then you can just look around for applications that you need and install them..
hi, there are so many roms out there, quite a few have lots of added apps, some useful some not, but if you using your phone just for specific things, get a 'LITE' rom and add what you need, search for the new supa duper lite rom, its got loads of space, very nippy... then just fill up what you need.
Actually Scrub that, Supa Dupa Lite Rom is the Dogs, But in all Fairness, You want a 'all rounder', a rom with a good selection of apps, very very nice and very stable, my friend, i think that ANY schaps roms will fit the bill
i dont know why but 3g and hsdpa data works with tmobil based roms, htc one wont work just gprs and edge. is there any tmobil patches to make it work?
And to throw another option out...there are several very neat kitchens out there, if you look around. Using one (or more) of them will enable you to whip up exactly what you need/want.
Of course, learning that process is somewhat involved.
-pvs
Hi there!
Kudos to all of the ROM developers out there. I'm getting a hard time to get along with all those new ROMs: which one suits my needs? which one based on what original ROM version? Known issues, startup memory sizes, additional apps, reg tweaks, SPL needed/tested, etc.
So I have an idea of a pinned thread where registered ROM developers can detail some predefined params of their releases for an easy way of comparability for all of us, especially for beginners. Also official ROMs could be included for "milestones". And some trusted reviews should be included in links for each ROMs. And of course discussion should be placed in a separate thread.
Is this possible?
i know what you mean, im following the forum every day on the possibility i will get a diamond, and im even struggling to keep up to date with what is available.
I agree the selection is great, and im sure the different versions of roms available will really make the diamond an even greater smartphone.
What i would advise is a thread with a simple vote on what rom they use on their diamond. This would give a rough estimate of what rom a noobie should try which will give them the most advantages
there's already a vote thread in existence, and most (i think all) of the ROMs posted list which version they are based on, as well as any apps removed/added.. shouldn't be that hard to nail down
Right now there's not alot of difference between the roms. The basic differences to look for:
1) Have any tweaks been applied already? You can apply these yourself or edit them by reading the tweaks post in the diamond general forum. If you'd like a clean untweaked ROM - with useless stuff removed, then the diamond surface rom is probably for you.
2) What applications have been removed, and do you need them? So far the roms posted only removed useless programs, that wont work (windows update) or are superceeded (MSN by windows live). BUT keep an eye out here, you may see roms WITH and WITHOUT touchflo for example. TLR v2 rom may be for you, you can uninstall touchflo if you want to use another UI like SPB Mobile Shell.
3) Upgradability and current version. What rom is it based on? All roms list this. Also can you upgrade any aspects of the rom without having to hard reset and loose anything. EG TLR roms use app2date to update applications that may have been updated in a new rom. (This is probably why the TLR rom is the most popular)
4) Reputation. Cooked roms rely on the 'cooker' making some decisions on your behalf. What tweaks to use and what not to. What values to set for the tweaks (eg fatfs). If you've had a device before and liked how a certain person works then right now there's so little difference in the cooked roms, you should stick with their work! Eg Elite rom, alot of people are using this rom.
Hope that helps. Me? I'm using TLR v2 with SPB Mobile shell.
Your asking chefs to try all kinds of different apps for compatibility... this is a lot to ask. What you need to do is read the threads, listen to what other users have to say, this will be your best feedback for bugs, compatibility, stability, etc...
Most importantly, just READ instead of polluting with useless threads in the development section
Hi there,
I'm new to the Diamond and I'm looking for a bare/naked ROM. I searched the forum but the staggering list of ROMs is overwhelming me.
I'm using SPB Shell I don't need TF3D. I also don't need all the other programs because I'll only install the ones I need as cabs afterwards. So I'm basically looking for a bare ROM that only contains the necessary drivers (if such things are needed) for all the features of the Diamond (and useful Tweaks) but without all the 3rd party software (HTC TF3D, HTC album, Adobe etc etc.
I made the observation (with my S110 and X500) that those bare ROMs are the most responsive and fastest and leave as much room as possible for programs you really want and need.
I hope you understand what I'm looking for and can give me a hint as which ROM to look.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=498873
Thank you very much. This is what I was searching for. Does this also support the g-sensor and ati?
yeah, i think this ROM can support all , now i'm checking this ROM, i hope, hope and hope ...
I don't want to sound disrespectul and admire the hard work the rom cookers put into their creations. But most of those roms are not for me.
I for one don't use most of the oem and bundles software - heck, I don't even ust TF3D - but rely on my own software I bought over the years. Those are small, efficient tools instead of the overly bloated programs that are todays standard. I'm a big fan of SPB Mobile Shell (the latest 2 version, not the 3 version), it's very fast and does consume only minimal RAM compared to TF3D.
I don't even use MMS, I use email. That's why most of the roms are overly bloated for my need and I appreciate a naked rom that is based on an up to date official rom. I have to depend on my device and I'm often unsure what hidden bugs may lie deep inside those heavily modified roms.
I've been flashing a fair few ROMs in the past week or so, and I've come to the realisation that I like two ROMs more than any others: Josh's M2DLite, and CRC's 13.4 release.
Frustratingly, there's just a couple of things wrong with each release that leave me stuck and unable to choose between them... I have a couple of recurring problems with Manila 2D (it sometimes crashes out when I try to load an email which is accessed through the Seven.com system, and I can't change the clock to be a digital clock instead of analogue hands). There's also some remaining small problems with memory usage, plus for some reason my install of M2DLite stopped allowing me to install new CABs ("installation unsuccessful").
By contrast, CRC's 13.4 release is almost perfect - the stock, basic WM Today screen, with a lovely plain black theme. It has Device Update and a load of nice extras. However, it doesn't ship with the option to install and run M2D (the more I used it, the more I slowly came to like it).
As a result, I feel like I'm 90% close to finding the perfect ROM. I hate all the ROMs with gaudy themes or colour presets, but frustratingly some of those ROMs look quite appealing, aside from those annoying customisations. I'm really at a loss as to which ROM is ideal for the person who prefers the minimalist, discreet look, but wants all the regular stuff like 3G dialer, HSDPA, Internet Sharing and MMS to work without a hitch.
What ROM have you guys settled on? Did you try loads, but then find one which you think is perfect (maybe after a little bit of customisation)? I'd love to hear your thoughts. WM6, WM6.1 and WM6.5 ROMs are all eligibile.
All of the reasons you stated, is exactly why I started cooking my own. I always found things I disliked about every rom I flashed.
utak3r released his darkvisions 4 kitchen, and it is a very nice base to build on for 6.1.
With your own rom, you can have your cake and eat it too, after a bit of trial and error.
That was something else I was contemplating... I have pretty much no idea where to start with cooking my own from a kitchen; you say utak3r's DV4 is a good base? I considered trying one of his ROMs but didn't like some of the modifications he'd done (naff-looking dialer, etc)
How long did it take until you got to where you wanted to be with your own custom ROM?
At first I felt like I was never going to get there! lol
I'm still playing with things and tweaking little things, I'm not the pro like the other guys here, so it takes me a bit longer. But I'll just to little changes and flash it to the phone, too many big changes at once makes it tough to troubleshoot a problem.
I'm back to tweaking and testing on utak3r's kitchen, I have a kitchen from josh all set up the way I want it, but, cooking is addictive.
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I considered trying one of his ROMs but didn't like some of the modifications he'd done (naff-looking dialer, etc)
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That's what this kitchen is for You can select your own desired apps (and the dialer, too).
Ooo, interesting... So, what does one need to download and install (aside from the kitchen) to get set up and cook with one of your kitchens?
Nothing - it contains all you need Maybe .Net and some runtimes - but you could have it already...
Ah, I tried your kitchen - there's some nice stuff in there, but unfortunately no Connection Setup (had to configure manually but I knew the data connection settings anyway). I did notice that the Contacts softkey was labeled as Kontakty, even though I'd made sure NOT to select the PL language option...
Aside from that, it was a pretty nice way to quickly customise ROM options. What's the best way to cook in new CABs? I noticed a lot of stuff in the OEM folder, but as well as what looked like the installed contents of CABs I saw a lot of other custom configuration files...
Glad to see you got it up and running quickly!
Here is cab2oem and package creator all in one zip.
cab to oem is drag and drop, and package creator is easy enough to figure out!
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cab to oem is drag and drop, and package creator is easy enough to figure out!
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true - although one have to keep in mind it doesn't work in some cases! It's a good starting point, but sometimes you have to manually create proper rgus and initflashfiles.
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true - although one have to keep in mind it doesn't work in some cases! It's a good starting point, but sometimes you have to manually create proper rgus and initflashfiles.
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You are right! I am about to attempt to see if I can edit/create one of my own. I wan't to see if I can make it work before I start asking for help on it though.
I have one program that won't properly make an oem with either of those programs. It's close, but missing something.
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I have one program that won't properly make an oem with either of those programs. It's close, but missing something.
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Check the files installed (including all the links) and check carefully the registry. I strongly advice you to use CeRegEditor, the best PPC registry editor on PC that exists (Polish product ) - you can make an image of the reg before installing it and compare it after - that way you can have all the registry changes were made.
Hello I am Necrolytic, a grindcore musician and graphic artist from Northern CA. I have been lurking here for over 9 months and just registered a month or so ago.... post one ha.
I run Josh's V15 M2D after seriously smashing through every rom 6.1 or higher on the top 4 pages, if not for one reason... It came loaded with crap and it actually works. In my short but insightful adventures with WinMo Roms I have found that bloated Roms are usually unstable or sluggish on my Hermes...a complete fail.
I ripped quite a few ROMS apart, checking to see what actually made the roms different or "better" from one another. Learning through reverse engineering and tinkering.
Skinning a common build and auto installing your own bloated playlist of .cab files shouldn't be considered Rom Cooking... that is just how I feel. I mean at least do something creative with the htchome coding and/or exclusive features... something.
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necrolytic said:
Hello I am Necrolytic, a grindcore musician and graphic artist from Northern CA. I have been lurking here for over 9 months and just registered a month or so ago.... post one ha.
I run Josh's V15 M2D after seriously smashing through every rom 6.1 or higher on the top 4 pages, if not for one reason... It came loaded with crap and it actually works. In my short but insightful adventures with WinMo Roms I have found that bloated Roms are usually unstable or sluggish on my Hermes...a complete fail.
I ripped quite a few ROMS apart, checking to see what actually made the roms different or "better" from one another. Learning through reverse engineering and tinkering.
Skinning a common build and auto installing your own bloated playlist of .cab files shouldn't be considered Rom Cooking... that is just how I feel. I mean at least do something creative with the htchome coding and/or exclusive features... something.
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Hello, and welcome to the forum!
Not sure if your directing your comment toward the op, or someone else. But that's kinda the way the thread is going. Leading someone towards the path of cooking their own rom.
There will be more for him to do than load a playlist of cabs!
There are all those little settings you like to have. All the programs you want, cooked in, not installed via cab, they will be there no matter what. Any theme you want, and today plugins you want, and in any order you want on the today screen. You can add/remove anything you want.
That's what most of the custom roms on this site are, the rom that the cook runs on their own phone (for the most part). Some cooks are doing custom roms for the community, but I bet they run that rom, or their own cooked variant.
I'm also hoping this thread will inspire more flashers to become cooks, maybe even you!
I am by no means a pro in the kitchen, I don't want to make it sound like I am. But I am getting by, and I love the roms I have cooked. If you think testing all the roms on the site is addictive, just wait till you cook a few roms, and debug, change settings, and cook those settings back into your own rom! then you'll really be hooked. I have been tempted to pick up a second hermes just for cooking and testing! haha
Hello EveryOne!
I'm here since some weeks now, to look, try and improve everything. This, in order to build a final version of my HTC Blackstone in perfect accordance with my demands.
I mean:
Look, Speed, DailyUse, No Freeze, No Bugs, whatever the program I use. And I won, got the perfect one!
Please see here under:
A) Look:
Screens are in attachment...
Well it is sober, but that's what I like. My Htc BlackStone looks what it is: a BlackStone.
Sometimes, when I see what people ask here to developpers, I laugh and think: "Oh Gosh! Why don't they ask for a washmachine in their cell-phone too?".
B) Rom WM 6.1 Manila 2.1, and Radio:
The ROM is - HTC_Touch_HD_MR_2009_RUU_BlackStone_HTC_FRA_1.56.406.1
and the Radio - Radio_52.62.25.34_1.13.25.24
Why these ROM and Radio? Because they are the official of HTC, much easier for me to customize than some beautiful cooked I found and tried here, as Miri's, Dutty's, KWbr's or Panoshka's.
I tried other official versions, and I honestly don't see a meaningful difference, except that some added programs couldn't work properly.
I think the most simple it is, the best it works... So, even if mixing WN 6.1 with Sense 2.5, or WM 6.5 with Manila 2.1 works, the result seem to me too complicate. As well, making deep changes increase risk of instability, bugs, especially by adding other third party programs.
In fact, if you are developper yourself, you know what you do, then you can fix problems. But if you're not, then it's better to stay on one's level, without pretention or arrogance, and just try to customize with simple things...
C) Added programs, (IN THIS ORDER, laughing!):
01-BS_Rilphone_1_13_25_24.cab
02-NETCFv35.wm.armv4i.cab
03-Tnyynt SD TuneUP.cab
04-IPC_Black_Calculator.cab
05-Black Dialer EN.cab
06-Whiteglow Transparant Clock.cab
07-Glass icons.cab
08-Dutty's NoTopCurtain.cab
09-Diamond_TF3D_Config_Setup.cab
10-HD Tweak 0.5.4_French.cab
11-Celogeek_tweak_20080808.cab
12-mUn background4allpages.cab
13-HushSMS-v0.6beta.CAB
14-ACR Version 1.2.4.CAB
15-Express News 1.0.39.cab
16-DeluxeMoon.cab
17-BattLog0.2.3.130.zip
18-CorePlayer v1.3.6 Build-7427 for PPC.cab
All those programs can be found on the site, except for item 15-Express News and 18-Core player, I found on the websites using "search".
D) My comments:
Well, today, a cellphone can be use for quite everything: as GPS, Radar detector, remote control or...phonecalls!
Mine is fast, stable, safe, and does what I want efficiently:
Phonecalls, contacts, texts, mails, news, websurf, meteo, pictures, movies, music, FM Radio, and the Moon for fun...
I don't need more, and with this config, it is a rocket as fast as the new phones i tried: Iphone4, HTC Desire or Samsung Galaxy S.
I was about to buy a new one of these, to be "up to date", but I don't see the utility anymore!
A good config on a Blackstone is a MUST.
Best regards,
BobbyTrash
Ps: To perfect this look, I was looking for a ".cab" to make Topbar and Bottombar transparent, I didn't found it here. Some cooked ROM do it, perhaps a developper can provide such a cab...
In an other way, a short program allowing to rename and link easely unused tabs, would be useful too, whatever the ROM or kitchen...
mate you haven't cooked a Rom, your just tweeking
Yes, absolutely..
I just did it for people who search for simple customisation, more than for a cook...
I thought it was clear in my post, though! Thanks for your answer.
Bobby
probably should be moved to the themes and apps section
You're right...
How to do that?
Regards,
Bobby
Only mods can move threads
MOD EDIT - Thread moved to Themes & Apps section..........and renamed
do you have opera 10?
if yes, is it launching from the manila tab?
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do you have opera 10?
if yes, is it launching from the manila tab?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7706060&postcount=2158
waraney said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7706060&postcount=2158
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does it work in wm6.1? because i asked it here because the rom in this thread is wm6.1
maybe you can ask on that thread, coz im using WM6.5x..