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Sold the BA and bought a Wizard, I am happy now!

I am so happy.
I sold my BA for a Wizard, no echo, great BT and more stabil.
As an early adaptor, the concept of the BA was great but technical not perfect. I am glad to see the Wizard has improved compare to the BA.
It's smaller and the screen is smaller, but the keyboard is better.
Regards,
Max

Me too, much happier now!

Wizard vs BA
Can you comment on,
Radio, less dropped calls?
Robust, is it still mostly plastic?

Same for me. The Wizard is what the BA should have been.
It actually works as a phone !!! (you receive calls, people can here you, you don't get half the signal compared to other phones, etc...)
The WIFI and BT are also working fine, and WM5 is definetly better if you want to use it one handed.

i agree to all of you regarding the difference. ive got the blue angel and wizard and im still using them both. the wizard is more stable and reliable but not a good choice for synchronization, still got a problem on synchronizing. i hope they can solve this. ive tried everything based on the forum discussions as well. but wizard is mostly handy especially when i go out in the pub.
i still use the blue angel because it has a big screen. very useful for work and for teaching. the os is more stable and more compatible (comparing from w5 and w2003se) to other third party applications. and considering the discussions of others why they upgraded then decided to downgrade it.
there were lots of issues and stuffs really thats almost endless when you read the forum. so its up to you weigh the advantages and disadvantages.
screen is a big deal for me but the stability and battery life and memory to keep from missing as well. thats why i like them both. :lol:

OOOHHH how I envy you guys who got the Wizard :roll: !!! A little more praise on the wizard and im gonna get on myself :lol:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=229154#229154
Theres a review by... me!
Later; Lew

I just did the same (and sold my BA on this forum).
I advise you all to do it (or better, wait for the P990).
Wizard:
+Works as a phone 100% of the time
+No 'silent' calls
+Bluetooth/wifi work
+OS is much faster (especially with overclock)
+Small enough to carry around and use withoout looking a tit
+Again, it works... I cant stress this enough.
+I have only had to soft reset once in a week, and that was my own fault for putting dodgy apps on.
+WM5
+Camera is exceptional, I'd say better than a Samsung D600 camera, and it has a light on it (although its a bit weak, but hey!)
-Can't change keyboard repeat rate (although theres prolly a registry hack)
-Wireless G is by hack only for UK customers, and then it screws it up
-Media player ANY button turns the screen on. A bit annoying when trying to skip track in your pocket.
-Struggles to play hi bitrate vids, but the smaller screen means you dont notice lower bitrate AND overclocking helps alot
-MSN on WM5 has alot less featrures, meaning annoying notifications interrupting me telling me my contacts are signing in literally every 5 seconds.
-WM5 insists on Activesync 4, which syncs over TCPIP and kicks me off my wireless network for a few seconds whenever I sync, interupting any downloads
-Activesync 4 hads no backup/restore facility, although 3rd part software manages
BA:
+Better Bluetooth management (although it rarely works
+Easier to dial on without needing a stylus eg. in the car
+Plays Media Better
-****E phone
-Impractical
+Uses SD cards, which I'm sure most of us have heaps of, and are a bit cheaper than mini SD
basically, buy the Wizard. It's worth it. You can use it without having to arse about with ROMS all day. All I did was change the (already unlocked/unhidden) Ext. ROM.

after this thread, no ones gonna buy my BA in this forum.. :lol:

lol, i just wrote a reccomendation to do this as well. Count me on the list within the next few months.

Hm. 200 MHz CPU just doesn't cut the mustard for me.
I'm very happy with my BA - I don't understand what anyone could mean by poor quality this and that. All the functions of my phone/pda are working as I might have expected them to. (The camera does suck, but I expected it to, but there have been many reports that the 1.3 megapixel cam of the Wizard just isn't so, and sucks as well.) I can only imagine that people are dropping or manhandling their BAs to be so fed up with them. I have had NO problems AT ALL with my BA once upgrading to 1.40 ROM and 1.15 radio.
BA has standard SD/IO slot. Does the Wizard's mini-SD slot double as IO? I find that almost as important as the 400 MHz CPU.
I actually like/use the BA keyboard. I like its higher resolution screen. I do find its buttons useful when coupled with 3rd-party software to customize them.
Windows Mobile 5.0 is as good as useless as far as I'm concerned. For one thing, it won't run executables or .cab files unless they are signed. (You can't install your own root certificate for security purposes, for example.) Far more software I find essential is compatible with Blue Angel, as it's got WM 2003SE Phone Edition in it.
If I had hastily bought the Wizard, I'd be here trying to make a swap with a Blue Angel owner, but I carefully considered the Blue Angel and the Wizard before making my purchase, chose the BA, and have been very happy to have made the right choice for me.

for those of us with the BA.. before you jump ship I suggest you wait just a bit more for the new AKU2.3 ROM to be been fine tuned as I think then you will see the advantages the Wizard guys speak of will no longer be the case

sub_rosa25 said:
Hm. 200 MHz CPU just doesn't cut the mustard for me.
I'm very happy with my BA - I don't understand what anyone could mean by poor quality this and that. All the functions of my phone/pda are working as I might have expected them to. (The camera does suck, but I expected it to, but there have been many reports that the 1.3 megapixel cam of the Wizard just isn't so, and sucks as well.) I can only imagine that people are dropping or manhandling their BAs to be so fed up with them. I have had NO problems AT ALL with my BA once upgrading to 1.40 ROM and 1.15 radio.
BA has standard SD/IO slot. Does the Wizard's mini-SD slot double as IO? I find that almost as important as the 400 MHz CPU.
I actually like/use the BA keyboard. I like its higher resolution screen. I do find its buttons useful when coupled with 3rd-party software to customize them.
Windows Mobile 5.0 is as good as useless as far as I'm concerned. For one thing, it won't run executables or .cab files unless they are signed. (You can't install your own root certificate for security purposes, for example.) Far more software I find essential is compatible with Blue Angel, as it's got WM 2003SE Phone Edition in it.
If I had hastily bought the Wizard, I'd be here trying to make a swap with a Blue Angel owner, but I carefully considered the Blue Angel and the Wizard before making my purchase, chose the BA, and have been very happy to have made the right choice for me.
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a. you forget that it's dual core 200 mhz and not only does it easily outperform the BA but also withstands higher overclocking.
and b. I'm writing this from the wm5 perspective. I've been running the BA on wm3 for a few weeks now and it runs fantastic! But i've come to realize that if i want all the features of wm5, i'm going to have to sacrifice speed unless i upgrade my hardware.

Dual core means nothing in this cell phone. One core is for the PDA, one is for the phone. Your effective speed is still gonna be 200mhz. So if your planning on doing something CPU extensive (eg emulation), your gonna have a rough time. I can play SNES games at almost full speed on my BA and FF7 at about 75% speed. Can a Wizard do that?

I find the Blue Angel (IIs) to unreliable and I am changing to the Tytn (Jasjam).

caloy said:
i agree to all of you regarding the difference. ive got the blue angel and wizard and im still using them both. the wizard is more stable and reliable but not a good choice for synchronization, still got a problem on synchronizing. i hope they can solve this. ive tried everything based on the forum discussions as well. but wizard is mostly handy especially when i go out in the pub.
i still use the blue angel because it has a big screen. very useful for work and for teaching. the os is more stable and more compatible (comparing from w5 and w2003se) to other third party applications. and considering the discussions of others why they upgraded then decided to downgrade it.
there were lots of issues and stuffs really thats almost endless when you read the forum. so its up to you weigh the advantages and disadvantages.
screen is a big deal for me but the stability and battery life and memory to keep from missing as well. thats why i like them both. :lol:
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I don't really agree. First of all, BA is much faster compare to slaggy Wizard. However as it is mentioned the size is smaller and a better keyboard. That make a good choice. For signal / radio wise, I would say "it depends on your network provider". I didn't have any signal drop while using my BA. For Wizard, so far no complaint but the speed is really slow which you have to bear with it if you really want to have it.

Sorry but prefer Blue Angel
I might be in a minority here, but 15 months ago parted with my Blue Angel and got a Wizard. At first I loved its size, then found I struggled reading e-books on it, or anything which required a larger screen. Also it was FAR slower (200mhz) and appliances took a lot longer to open up (reboot takes twice as long). Tried overclocking it which did work, but to be honest people moaned I sounded Tinnie on the Wizard, something they never did on the Blue Angel. Other things I found hard to put up with the wizard was the smaller memory allocated and the finish was poor - varnish started flaking after bout 6months, even though I kept it in a case (I have an XDAII which is far older, has seen far more use and has lasted far better! Also WM5 can be very fussy about which programs can be downloaded to device. I know it has its faults, but I look upon the Angel as a PDA with a phone attached (which I mainly use for Internet & email), whereas the Wizard feels like a Phone first and a PDA second. Suppose it depends what you value most and how conscious you are in putting a brick to your ear. Personally I am too old to give a toss what people think, it suits me fine.
Needless to say I got rid of the Wizard and have got a Blue Angel Back and am now Happy again.
The only thing I miss on the Wizard is the keyboard which I must admit was far superior to the Angel.
Still each to their own, but I prefer Blue Angel with all its faults!

kwaknok said:
I might be in a minority here, but 15 months ago parted with my Blue Angel and got a Wizard. At first I loved its size, then found I struggled reading e-books on it, or anything which required a larger screen. Also it was FAR slower (200mhz) and appliances took a lot longer to open up (reboot takes twice as long). Tried overclocking it which did work, but to be honest people moaned I sounded Tinnie on the Wizard, something they never did on the Blue Angel. Other things I found hard to put up with the wizard was the smaller memory allocated and the finish was poor - varnish started flaking after bout 6months, even though I kept it in a case (I have an XDAII which is far older, has seen far more use and has lasted far better! Also WM5 can be very fussy about which programs can be downloaded to device. I know it has its faults, but I look upon the Angel as a PDA with a phone attached (which I mainly use for Internet & email), whereas the Wizard feels like a Phone first and a PDA second. Suppose it depends what you value most and how conscious you are in putting a brick to your ear. Personally I am too old to give a toss what people think, it suits me fine.
Needless to say I got rid of the Wizard and have got a Blue Angel Back and am now Happy again.
The only thing I miss on the Wizard is the keyboard which I must admit was far superior to the Angel.
Still each to their own, but I prefer Blue Angel with all its faults!
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Yes...i love my Qtek 9090 too... Wizzard (qtek 9100) is smaller...its true....but i dont want a small and slow PDA with phone....i want a powerfull PDA with phone.
I dont have any problem with phone (radio 1.15 and 1.12). Bluetooth is working well to. I have 2 Qtek 9090, one is runnins W2003SE and other is running WM6 (helmis_c version). Wireless is working well too (battery goes down fast, but works great).
I Love keyboard of Qtek 9090. For me, is beter than Qtek 9100. Its beatifull (all blue) and the position (on vertical) is better than horizontal keyboard.
I write fast on this keyboard.
WM2005 of Qtek 9100...I dont like WM5 is slower than W2003SE and not good like 2006. With my Qtek 9090 i can use 3 operating systems: WM2003SE, WM5 and WM6. I can select.
I have brought my 2 Qtek 9090 1 month ago, becouse a friend of my have 1 (brought on 2005) and i really love that PDA. The new Qtek/HTC phones, i dont like. Most of them have a slower 200mhz CPU with a small RAM 64MB. Higher models have CPUs like 400 or 416Mhz with 128Mb but with a small screen and with no keyboard on vertical. (And these models Like HTC TYTN II price are so high)-
Its too nice when a ppl says "let me see my video on your pocket, in this screen is great!"
And its too nice see a movie on my Qtek 9090....with this screen size.
And the quality of material used on Qtek 9090 (metal) is better than plastic.
PPL whos say "I bought a qtek 9100 and sell the 9090...im so happy...yupi"..
No comments....U have trade a Ferrari for a fiat uno.
Qtek 9090 are one of most powered phone, with 4 years, is better than much models from HTC at now.
Think about it ppl...
Sorry my bad english ppl...

dont worry guys...
i think the subject of this thread was posted at the dawn of WM6 supremacy... the thread maker/poster might have suffered enough with wm5 or wm2003... just kidding.
and since WM6 is alive and making our BA kick b*tt! We can truly appreciate our BA more and more each day...

Second that SiverSamurai!
I started with the wizard and graduated UP to the BA. It's twice the phone, larger screen, thinner profile than the wizard. Twice the memory and storage, not to mention the 400mhz processor! If you don't believe it, navigate with file explorer to the windows folder and open it. Maybe tonight you can view what you wanted to look at in Windows, and I had my wizard overclocked to 247mhz. I keep it now, only as a back-up and I don't care to ever use it again. I have had no problems at all with the BA since I got it, and I have put it through the wringer to see how it would perform. I give it an A+ and the Wiz about a C.

Wait for a Polaris or get an E-Ten??

Hi guys,
I am in two minds as to what my next purchase should be. I like the new HTC Polaris and it is what I know, as I currentlt have an Artemis. However the screen resolution is low, not VGA 640x480 which I would like in my next PDA.
I have noticed a few devices which are made by E-Ten that seeem to do all that the artemis does - but they do have a vga screen such as the x800 and x500 models.
Has anyone tried one of the models and would they recommend them? Also do they have a lively developer/modding scene like the Artemis?
Thanks - underzone

eten is very good pda phone, more fast than HTC, but their production will discontinue.

The ETEN looks like a good phone but there's more support for HTC phones. And now that I have a touchflo ROM, I don't know how I could go back to not having touchflo.

I have used 3 mode Eten PDA.And for me HTC better because can mod Rom for your PDA
Polaris for me look very cool,use chip QualComm 7200 (fast) Touch Flo 2.....and...
===> Polaris +1

I had the same dilema, I have an artemis wich I love, but I have it for a year already and HTC is not putting out anythig much better for me to upgrade (and it does not look like they are planning on launching any good vga device soon) so I ordered the Eten X800, it is supposed to get here tomorrow, I'll compare them and will let you know what I think.
P.S. The only thing that stops me from leaving HTC is this site, there is no such a thing for any other brand out there. And I'm hooked.

palmbluetooth said:
I had the same dilema, I have an artemis wich I love, but I have it for a year already and HTC is not putting out anythig much better for me to upgrade (and it does not look like they are planning on launching any good vga device soon) so I ordered the Eten X800, it is supposed to get here tomorrow, I'll compare them and will let you know what I think.
P.S. The only thing that stops me from leaving HTC is this site, there is no such a thing for any other brand out there. And I'm hooked.
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Yeah its this forum & the excellent brewed roms that really makes me want to stick with an HTC... but then again I do really want a VGA screen. decisions, decisions...

How about the new P5500 - slimmed down artemis with touch interface, keyapd, gps, HSDPA etc...
http://www.unwiredview.com/2007/08/08/htc-5500-nike-touch-slider/

Thinking about Asus, doubts are the processor and the screen size but like the size slightly smaller than the orbit, but little in it, I do miss a keypad.
http://www.devicewire.co.uk/Asus-P526

I got the x800 today, and it is a good pda but I don't think you can compare it to the artemis, the screen is nicer and having 3g it's a whole different browsing expierence, but apart from that it is a bit slow and the design is not as nearly as nice. It's not a bad pda, if it was my only pda I would gladly keep it, but choosing between this and the artemis, I would for sure keep my artemis until I'll find something else. (Maybe I'll try the gigabyte Gsmart i350, if I can get hold of it in america)

Previously got an Eten G500, nothing to do with X500 neither X800.
But i really, really prefer the artemis !
G500 was big, heavy, rom was unstable, and materials used was bad quality and many plastics cracks, painting surface goes away,...
Now i'm really happy to have sold it...
Polaris ===> +1

underzone said:
I like the new HTC Polaris and it is what I know, as I currentlt have an Artemis. However the screen resolution is low, not VGA 640x480 which I would like in my next PDA.
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For me it has to be either Polaris or iMate 9502 - 9502 has VGA, same memory as Polaris (eten is short) and still has all the hardware buttons dropped on the Polaris...

Touch 1

He friends - when the first Touch came out I bought it and was so unsatisfied ref. the keyboard that I changed the device - also because the perforamce was pretty slow
Let me ask you - is the No. 2 now faster and much better ???

Hi,
The touch-pro 2 has some hardware improvements, but none concerning it's speed. The software that's delivered by HTC is further optimized and is a lot faster. Also the version of the processor that's included has changed in the TD2 & TP2. This probably means that the processor has been more optimized too.
I expect the TP2 to be faster in use, because of the new well working software (Shell). Next to that, it will be easier to work with because of the bigger screen.
About the keyboard, looking at some video's about pre-releases of the phone, every reviewer says the keyboard is one of the best ever. I haven't seen any lag when people were typing.
I think normal all-day use (agenda, mail, phone, sms, etc) will be faster and more accessible. But gaming, or other 3th party software that requires a lot of horsepower,....... Just don't expect the TP2 to be a lot better/faster. But then again, htc targets the bussines world.
I suggest you look into other topics and look for reviews (youtube: touch-pro2 review), so you can see for yourself.
I'm upgrading from my Hermes . The reason why I won't wait for other 1 gigz phones? Playing 3d games, just won't work on phones cause of the louzy controls and little screen. Other than that, I can't think of reasons why I would want a 1 Gighz phone. Battery will be empty faster and it will take a year before the new processors will be fully optimized. (not to think of the heat the new processors will make)

quarintus said:
The touch-pro 2 has some hardware improvements, but none concerning it's speed. The software that's delivered by HTC is further optimized and is a lot faster.
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Specifically, the drivers are believed to have been improved to address some graphics hangups. It's hard to know what any particular user means when they complain about performance.
If, peter, you're referring to the TF3D interface, you'll probably be pleased. There are a ton of video previews out there on youtube now, so head on over and watch it in action. Those videos are the next best thing to actually using one.

So what could your advice be - to wait for the new toshiba with th ebig display, take the diamond 2 or the touch 2 ???
THANKS a lot

peter7 said:
So what could your advice be - to wait for the new toshiba with th ebig display, take the diamond 2 or the touch 2 ???
THANKS a lot
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Depends, what kind of user you are.
What kind of phone do you have now? Is it with an hardware keyboard and do you message a lot?
What do you do with you current phone? What do you like, what do you miss?
Do you put you phone in you pocket?
I'm also getting the touch pro2 because there aren't going to be many other phones with an hardware keyboard in the near future. As for only touchscreen phones, I would wait. There are comming a lot new phones in the near future.
If you have a fairly recent phone (touch pro 1 for example) I also would wait for a new phone. That's because new phones keep comming and I don't have the money to keep buying new phones.
(as for the slow touch pro 1, try some home cooked roms from this site. There are probably some real fast ones in the tp1 forum).

Does touch pro2 have an hardware keyboard ???
Actually I`m using again my Xperia...

peter7 said:
Does touch pro2 have an hardware keyboard ???
Actually I`m using again my Xperia...
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I'm happy to help and inform you, but at least google the phone before asking a question.
Go to HTC.com and go to the HTC touch pro2 page. You'll see all hardware specs.
It costs me and you less time

You mean this one
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=search&quick=1
But it will cme in June or is it already on the market ?

peter7 said:
You mean this one
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=search&quick=1
But it will cme in June or is it already on the market ?
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No I meant this one :
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/touchpro2/overview.html
But just saw, this info isn't available in the US. So sorry (the webpage I've given is the UK version)
it will be on the market in june. the release dates differ per country. In western europe it will be Junu 5 or 12.
In amerika it also can be July, but I expect end June

Blackstone - falling into oblivion?

Hello Xda fellows
Does anyone else have a strange feeling that our beloved blackstone is slowly but for sure falling into oblivion?
sigh

yes, of course it is. it is three genrations old now (touch pro 2 and diamond 2 are next generation and htc leo is the newest).
However, this doesnt mean its going to be forgotten. the android project is really gaining ground. the "improving gfx performance" guys have just released a killer graphics pack and all of the apps made in future for the td2 and tpro 2 (maybe even leo) will work fine.
so, to answer your question, it is getting a bit old (a year old now) but that doesnt mean its going to disappear. look at the polaris and kaiser

good to hear opinion like that thanks man

the good thing about our phones is that it is still "current" in that the _relatively_ "newly released" TD2 and TP2 have very similar specs to our phone...it's just not at the very top anymore

Falling into obvlivion might be correct, but that doesn't mean the device is bad. If you like a device, you like it nomatter how many new devices are out.

I Dont think its falling into oblivion, look at the specs...
More ram than most, better screen than most, wvga is becoming more and more recognised, you dont get a 3.5mm headphone socket on most other devices, 5mp camera, most others are 3 or below, and really as long as xda developers lives on all devices do too

As far as I can see, it's still the top of the tree until the Leo is released.

Major_Sarcasm said:
As far as I can see, it's still the top of the tree until the Leo is released.
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HTC are not making a phone called Leo.
Yes. I am a pedant

A month ago I sold my HTC Diamond for a Touch HD...
I had the option to go for a Touch Pro, Diamond 2 etc...
but after trying a few the screen on the Touch HD is far superior to any others tried even the Iphone doesn't look as perfect as the HD.
It runs as fast as both the Touch Pro and Diamond 2.
The only difference in my opinion is the TV out on the Touch Pro.

Its inevitable that as time goes on the HD will eventually become obsolute or redundant as you'll move to pastures green. However with the HD, I feel this is still a bit in the future. There is nothing out there to really make me consider getting my wallet out and purchasing it. As time goes on this will obviously change, but not just yet!!

Fallen Spartan said:
Its inevitable that as time goes on the HD will eventually become obsolute or redundant as you'll move to pastures green. However with the HD, I feel this is still a bit in the future. There is nothing out there to really make me consider getting my wallet out and purchasing it. As time goes on this will obviously change, but not just yet!!
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Now I would have absolutely agreed with you until this last week or so. The HD2 just looks too good to miss.
It'll certainly quieten the missus and her damned iPhone a bit.

Meh, I still got me HTC Universal running, the bigger the HTC the longer they last!

Blackstone is NOT going to fade out so soon.
Crap, I just switched from Polaris to Blackstone... )
And there has to be something much much better than HD2 to make me cry why have I bought HD...

I guess you are right!

about HD2, is just got one ~10 Days ago and i have to tell you, its not that different from the HD.
its just a little bit better in every way, but always just a little
(little faster, manila little smoother, gps little faster, screen a little bigger....)
but so far everything form the hd2 works just fine on hd (exept a free 3D game, forgot the name)

The only phone i would upgrade to is the HD2..
I love this phone! It may be buggy, badly designed vanilla rom and feel like plastic in your hands after a while, but you can do anything with it! It's powerful, got a _sweet_ display and it's the best phone I've tried surfing the web with.. With Opera Mobile 10 that is.
There's no phone out there worth upgrading to yet, this phone has still got atleast 6-12 months left in my hands..

INMHO I do not think that this phone, the HTC HD, will obsoleted soon. The most I read in others forums the most I think that still the HTC HD is on the TOP. The capacitive screen seems better than the one of LEO or HTC HD2, at least for use most application or write an sms. In addition, I have seen this evening in the developers and hacking forum that a multi-touch driver has been released for our HTC HD, so we can have the best of both worlds. Even, the Android runs quite smooth in the HTC HD so you can switch between windows and Android in less than 2 minutes. I am not thinking in change my phone in this moment, I quite satisfied, but If I had not one, I will take the advantage of the new release of the LEO to get a very cheap HTC HD in the second hand market.

If HTC had sorted out the Qualcomm driver situation I'd be all over the HD2, but I'm thinking I'll skip this generation, just not enough of an upgrade for me at the moment...

HD is a great phone
THUDUK said:
A month ago I sold my HTC Diamond for a Touch HD...
I had the option to go for a Touch Pro, Diamond 2 etc...
but after trying a few the screen on the Touch HD is far superior to any others tried even the Iphone doesn't look as perfect as the HD.
It runs as fast as both the Touch Pro and Diamond 2.
The only difference in my opinion is the TV out on the Touch Pro.
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Well, I have mine for about 3 months now.. ans I could have got many other phones.. but I agree with the superlatives you mentioned. skinny too, where most phones are a quarter brick in the pants.. I had to help a colleague with his Kaiser on a WM6.1 and use a stylus , only to realize and appriciate the touch HD.. Is it, eventually, become obsolete? yes, but at least not until 2011.. if I won't break it by then (flashing, or screen cracking it) I will keep it for a longer time. It simply suits my need. I am sure there will be other phoned, but until there is touch HD2 around, working in 3G US, I will keep it, flash it, test it and hope there will be enough chefs on this thread
Thank you folks for the sleepless nights you give me.. my wife is sure I have an affair, or I am into cyber sex.. until it does not stop- I will stay with the HD..

BigE said:
Well, I have mine for about 3 months now...
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Hi BigE! Long time no speak!
Good to find you in here!! I need your help...
AS you probably remember, I am a Trinity user. With MSkip's ProPlus Ultimate 3.5 QVGA 110209 installed, I am basically at peace. It's perfect for my needs.
BUT...
Recently, I've been tempted to buy a Touch HD, disable the TouchFlo and install MSkip's ProPlus Ultimate 3.5. Is it worth it?
The bigger screen, the more powerful processor, etc, etc... Will I really notice the difference if I just use Spb MS3.5?
I know you're not a massive fan of Spb MS3.5... I use it purely as I need an appointment list on my Today Page. That's why I don't use Manila. That's why as far as I can see I would not be happy with the TouchFlo 3D on the Touch HD. Such a shame it's missing!
I look forward to your advice. Maybe you'll convince me to leave Trinity!?
Mattster.

Rhodium or OmniaPro?

Greetings,
As the title says,
Some of the main Advantages of OmniaPro are 800Mhz CPU, AMOLED display, 5MB Camera (With Flash), 3.5mm audio jack
Some Disadvantages are it has 3.5" Screen (Rhodium has 3.6"), 4 rows QWERTY Keyboard (Rhodium has 5 rows).
TouchWiz (OmniaPro) or TouchFlo/Sense (Rhodium), .. not sure which is better
Price (in UK pounds):
OmniaPro: £291.49 exc VAT
Rhodium: £379.48 exc VAT (Why is it more expensive while specs are clearly less?)
in terms of Hardware specs, .. i dont think someone could argue that Rhodium is better than OmniaPro.
I want your opinions on:
- Which one is better? and why?
- Why do you think that OmniaPro is a lot cheaper than Rhodium although it obviously packs better specs?

touchwiz = blah(imo)...
htc=greatest smartphone company(imo)...
Processor speed isn't all of it, flash on a camera is useless, tp2 has 3.5mm audiojack on some models... Only true advantage of the omniapro is the amoled screen.
tp2 can also utilize the new 7.2mbps networking which omniapro cant.

Again...
Entering to a Nike store and asking what is better Nike or Rebook
Rhodium is superior in many apspects, also you have the plus of the support from XDA!
I´ll stay with HTC
And don´t forget to vote!

orb3000 said:
Entering to a Nike store and asking what is better Nike or Rebook
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Lol I like the Rhodium, but when i saw the specs of OmniPro, i was like
and the price is alot less, .. i came here so you guys share your thoughts on Why Rhodium is better (IYO)

irkan said:
Lol I like the Rhodium, but when i saw the specs of OmniPro, i was like
and the price is alot less, .. i came here so you guys share your thoughts on Why Rhodium is better (IYO)
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If the keyboard really is important, get the Rhodium. It is not only the 5 rows, it is the keyshape and spacing. For multimedia the Omnia pro should be better. I also saw some reports that the screen of the Omnia Pro is extremely soft and even a fingernail can scratch it. So you would need some really good protection. Sense is a much better interface, but I am sure it could be ported.

HansTWN said:
If the keyboard really is important, get the Rhodium. It is not only the 5 rows, it is the keyshape and spacing. For multimedia the Omnia pro should be better. I also saw some reports that the screen of the Omnia Pro is extremely soft and even a fingernail can scratch it. So you would need some really good protection. Sense is a much better interface, but I am sure it could be ported.
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Hmm thanks for the input, yeah the layout of the keys in Rhodium seems a lot more type-friendly. and from videos, .. Oddly, the screen of Rhodium does seem crispier than the AMOLED of OmniaPro
and what do you guys think about the price difference? price/specs ratio of OmniaPro seems interesting compared to the Rhodium.
and why isnt there a section for Samsung windows mobiles here in the forums? i mean XDA is not for HTC only right? Sony Ericsson is there, why not Samsung?
lots of questions

i'll answer the Sony Ericsson for u Irkan, i use to have one right before the bloody keyboard gave up on me
The Xperia was a collaboration between Htc and SE. Basically Htc made the device. Hell, it even have the Htc quickgps and task manager on it. Even the hardSPL is the same as HTC. We could safely say that the Xperia X1 is still a "brother" to all the htc device.
As for the site, yes XDA only supported htc devices,even X2 isn't gonna be here. Thats why i chose the rhodium

I am less Impressed ...
Ok, .. i see .. thanx for the input, that makes sense now
I have read 2 major reviews about the OmniaPro, .. although the hardware specs are hardcore, .. the TouchWiz (Widgets UI) seems to be sluggish regardless of the hardware sepcs.
in terms of the UI performance the Sense seems to be way better than the Widgets UI. If 800Mhz Processor is not enough for there UI than what is the use of it? .. i was expecting that with the processor power i would enjoy the TouchWiz UI smoothly and that the menus will be flying around, ... unfortunately from reading the 2 major reviews, .. that is not the case
The reviews also reported that the keyboard does not register the key press smoothly when typing fast, and you have to be careful and firm when typing .. kindda ruins the purpose of having full QWERTY keyboard.
The camera is said to be mediocre, .. the colours are a little dull, but sharp.
Lets just say that i am less impressed by the OmniaPro than when i started this thread ..

to me the main advantage of the rhodium is that the screen TILTS!!!

shiguo said:
to me the main advantage of the rhodium is that the screen TILTS!!!
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I saw a "Gorgieo Armani" version of the OmniaPro, .. same specs, but the screen TILTS

irkan said:
I have read 2 major reviews about the OmniaPro, .. although the hardware specs are hardcore, .. the TouchWiz (Widgets UI) seems to be sluggish regardless of the hardware sepcs.
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You can probably turn the TouchWiz UI off if it is really that sluggish. You might even be able to get Sense on it. Keep that in mind.

yeah but ...
jdwrrzmm said:
You can probably turn the TouchWiz UI off if it is really that sluggish. You might even be able to get Sense on it. Keep that in mind.
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I can turn it off, .. and will be stuck to WM screen ... that kindda ruins the purpose of buying it in the first place.
I like TouchWiz (the idea of it) but lots of reports shows that many times it tends to lag alot, i even saw some videos on how bad it was (and it was bad)
I have seen TouchFlo 1.6 (or some previous version) being ported to the OmniaPro, reports shows that it drains lots of battery power, and the experience is not smooth at all, and when i went to check the forum that made that port, they stopped supporting Sense porting to OmniaPro B7610 (the one that has the keyboard which is similar to Rhodium) and only continued with the full touch screens (they are trying to port everything in HD2 to Omnia2 or something, so they couldnt care less about OmniaPro with the keyboard)

I asked the same question in some forum that reviewed the the OmniaPro B7610
and here is a reply for my inquiry from one of the users that have the OmniaPro
I would go for the HTC touch pro2. I bought the Samsung Omnia Pro B7610 and it’s the worst windows mobile phone I’ve ever had, slower than my old HTC P3300 and my imate Ultimate 9502. TouchWiz is very slow! You have to switch it off. The screen is very fragile, it’s easily scratched by the stylus. The in call sound is not that loud, the keyboard is ok but not excellent, etc.
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