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Messenger / Windows Live - Contacts sooo annoying!

Fellow xda people...
I'm a ms messenger addict, well I like it anyway and I've been looking forward to using it on my vario over uk T-mobile web'n'walk...I'm running black 2.5 so now I have the "windows live" thing on my today screen and I'm signed in...
thing is, seems to work...but i CANT STAND the way it insists on putting all my MSN contacts into my contact list! Does this annoy anyone else? Anyone found any clever work arounds?
Typical of microsoft trying to integrate an app and take over the whole machine - horrible?
cheers
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its so annoying...almost makes me want to use a different messenger client?

using black 2.0. cannot sign windows live from yesterday until now. it said no internet connectivity but i am connected with gprs and also wifi. can surf net also. it the mobile server different from the desktop?

I'm talking about the contacts in particular....

anyone else use messenger - windows live....polluting my contacts !

I had the same problem when I first used the live messenger beta a few months back. The final version does have the "sync contacts" optionality but as you say it still syncs them and creates duplicates and rubbish!
The only work around I found was to use outlook to copy and paste all the relevant info from the original contacts details into the new contacts created by messenger and then deleting the old one. This then avoids the duplication next time you flash and set up live.

unwired4 said:
The only work around I found was to use outlook to copy and paste all the relevant info from the original contacts details into the new contacts created by messenger and then deleting the old one. This then avoids the duplication next time you flash and set up live.
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That seems to work the best for me, I don't have to many contact and it wasnt that hard for me to delete them all and put them back in again - when you do this it asks what sort of contact you want - I think MS should have included a wizard that goes through your contacts when you first install them asking if you want Outlook, Contacts List and/or Messenger for each contact.
Another problem I found was everytime it synced from phone to computer, it would change my Messenger contacts, I found that if you edit the contact in Windows Messenger and make sure the name info is the same as what is one the phone has stored, it solves this problem, my contacts sync OK now.

I have the same issue, so i just reverted to using Pocket MSN...

Someone posted a workaround in the following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1236933&postcount=22
Don't know if it's working since I didn't have time to install Live Messenger and try it out. Can someone try it?

My Workaround ...
Yeah,
I had the exact same problem. And i have HEAPS of contacts both messenger and outlook ... and of course ... i'm ridiculously anal about having everything exactly perfect ... so i fixed my contacts and reinstalled my phone ... hah
What i found worked for me, was before syncing the first time, make sure that you have outlook contacts corresponding to the email addresses of your messenger contacts. (ie: if windows live messenger sees you have an outlook contact with the same email address, it will just attach the msn display pic etc to that contact.
- Phixx

cheers for this...infuriating !
I have now taken the route one approach...deleted all the daft MS Messenger contacts and removed Windows Live from my today screen (I would delete it if I could)....Hope I never see it again!

The best way to deal with it is to make sure all of your contacts in MS Live have contact entries in Outlook. It sucks, but once you have all of your contacts sync'd up, it's pretty cool: you can see people's online status anywhere you see their contact info on the phone.

BTW; no matter what route you take, you MUST back up your Live contacts and your Outlook contacts on your PC. Seriously. Do it now. I made the mistake of not doing that, and during one of my many reloads, I somehow managed to wipe out my entire Outlook contacts list *and* my Windows Live contact list. It was not a fun day restoring that.
Go to Contacts->Save instant messenging contacts in Windows Live on your PC.

yeah, but i don't want my instant messenger stuff anywhere near my contacts...to me it's a separate app! (or it should be) MS trying to be too clever by half.

What would be nice is if it put the messenger emails in contacts under "emails" Ie personal / business and email catogries.
It really is quite annoying when sifting through the contact list to find a phone number and having to sift through 100's of mail addresses too.
Of course I do try to use the smart dialing but they still come up.
Just having to do these work arounds every reinstall / HR e.t.c is tedious at best.

LeoBadhan said:
I have the same issue, so i just reverted to using Pocket MSN...
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I want to do the same thing, only I can't find the install for pocket MSN, the only one I could find was on the MS site where you have to pay for it.. it came with my TyTN so I don't want to pay MS another €15 for it!
Can you please provide me the install file? whether it is in PM or in the thread
Thanks alot man

I quite like the way it works.. It's a little bit annoying if you have contacts who have really messed up their details online so that it can't link them to a phone contact, but other than that I really like it.
It would be nice if there was an advanced sync option where you could somehow pair orphan people on MSN to people in contacts on the phone so that it was aware they were the same person.. but I'm not gonna complain too much.

or just give you an option to turn it off.

I'm having an absolute nightmare with this!
I really like the idea in concept and want it to work.
I deleted the contacts it added to my phone adress book cos it looked messy not realising that when I sync'd with my PC it would delete them all (85) from messenger!
So I started re adding my msn contacts being careful to also have a corresponding Outlook contact and all was going well. I was getting them linked up nicely. Now all of a sudden, they've all gone again from my MSN on my PC!
I want this feature to work, I don't simply want to turn it off as some of you have done. How should I go about this?

Yes, me too.. There are nice features in Live messenger for WM, like showing display picture, voiceclip, sending files, pictures, etc, but this contacts problem is so darn annoying! I wish some wizzguy could look into a hack or solution
Greetz.

Push Gmail now avaliable on Windows Mobile

http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-sync-now-with-push-gmail-support.html
Google Sync had already given the ability to sync your Google contacts and calendar via Activesync but now Google has released the holy grail: push Gmail via activesync.
http://www.google.com/mobile/products/sync.html#p=winmo

i did the setup about an hour ago..i saw the notice and decided to try...
it has still some issue..
you have to set it to download the whole messages or it will not retrieve later the body (i mean, download only headers and then body manually later doesn't work...) and i can't read attachments...
anyway the push is working good.....hope the will improve the sync anyway

Sweet. Got a little bit of that Chatter functionality back with one mailbox. Thanks!
Is this going to kill my battery though?

It's not really working for me. I have to manually tap send/receive to get any new mails, which defeats the purpose of push.
Previously, I had forwarded all my Gmail to another exchange server which I use to sync with my phone. Often, my phone will have new mail pushed to it even before it shows up on my desktop Outlook.
I'll give this a try for another day or so. But if it stays like this, I'm going to have to go back to my old ways...
Edit: Ok, I actually don't have to manually send/receive to get mails. But apparently, I have to wait 10 minutes before it's pushed to my device. Not good...
Edit2: Seems like the timing improved to 3 minutes, but as previously mentioned, attachments don't work. That's a deal breaker...

Ya know.. I just went through and reconfigured everything away from google syce(Active Sync) and now they do this..
well anyways.. now that people are trying this.. I stopped using google sync to sync my contacts because it was killing the quality of my contact photo's... anybody else seeing that problem..???

ChiliFrei64 said:
...well anyways.. now that people are trying this.. I stopped using google sync to sync my contacts because it was killing the quality of my contact photo's... anybody else seeing that problem..???
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That happened to me when I was syncing my contacts to my desktop's Outlook. So it doesn't surprise me that the same would happen with Google Sync. I've since stopped syncing my contacts and just used PIM Backup to backup my contacts everytime I want to hard reset or flash to new ROM.
This is off-topic but does anyone know whether syncing contacts with Microsoft's MyPhone messes with the contact photo quality?

omg I have been waiting for this day for years. crack open the champagne. this is glorious! oh, i haven't checked out the attachment issue mentioned about. i guess it is time to go in and check all of those settings. and i finally feel an urge to organize my labels and stars in gmail better!
Edit: tested and attachments worked fine. everything seems fine, but it took 7 minutes for me to get it. maybe that is because the ping settings (i don't know that much on that topic), or maybe gmail servers are slow right now from the flood of new use. it looks like iphone users got it too, sigh.

yeah it's not pushing like it should for me either. I have better luck just setting up a new account and having it check every 5 mins. I'll give it a few more days and see what happens.

ohyeahar said:
That happened to me when I was syncing my contacts to my desktop's Outlook. So it doesn't surprise me that the same would happen with Google Sync. I've since stopped syncing my contacts and just used PIM Backup to backup my contacts everytime I want to hard reset or flash to new ROM.
This is off-topic but does anyone know whether syncing contacts with Microsoft's MyPhone messes with the contact photo quality?
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Myphone doesn't mess with photo quality.
However, neither has Google sync when I have used it for my contacts.
Lastly, when you first set everything up, the mail does have a delay before it is pushed to your device. Once you have it working for abut a day though, it takes less than a minute for me.
And there is no issue with attachments for me either.
Oh and the amount that Google Sync will drain your battery life is obviously dependent on how many messages/appointment changes/ contact changes you have in one day.

So don't know what I'm doing wrong but I can't get the mail function to work, no matter what I try I get the same error code from activesync:
0x80004005
The server
m.google.com
Username: [email protected]
Don't know what I could be messing up.

skyler17 said:
Myphone doesn't mess with photo quality.
However, neither has Google sync when I have used it for my contacts.
Lastly, when you first set everything up, the mail does have a delay before it is pushed to your device. Once you have it working for abut a day though, it takes less than a minute for me.
And there is no issue with attachments for me either.
Oh and the amount that Google Sync will drain your battery life is obviously dependent on how many messages/appointment changes/ contact changes you have in one day.
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well, daa connection always on for push is battery killer...usually i keep my data connection disconnected automatically after 1 minute.
no problem for push to me too...in less than 1 minute...

My push is working great so far. less then 30 seconds.

dancnpete said:
So don't know what I'm doing wrong but I can't get the mail function to work, no matter what I try I get the same error code from activesync:
0x80004005
The server
m.google.com
Username: [email protected]
Don't know what I could be messing up.
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I have exactly the same problem...
I found on Google Help site,that it's maybe a problem of number of mail in your mailbox

my inbox contains nearly 1000 mails and works great....maybe a number of labels issue...i've got few labels...

ivwonka said:
...tested and attachments worked fine...
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skyler17 said:
...And there is no issue with attachments for me either...
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How did you guys get attachments to work?
I currently have my gmail forwarded to an Exchange which sync with my phone. I could see attchments perfectly.
But when I try to sync with m.google.com, attachments are no where to be found. An email that I know has attachments shows up without it. There's no link to the attachment nor is there even a paperclip icon.

ohyeahar said:
How did you guys get attachments to work?
I currently have my gmail forwarded to an Exchange which sync with my phone. I could see attchments perfectly.
But when I try to sync with m.google.com, attachments are no where to be found. An email that I know has attachments shows up without it. There's no link to the attachment nor is there even a paperclip icon.
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same for me...
maybe they donwload full text with attachments...
not my case..
to save bandwith i downlooad attachments at need, but i can't see them...

airon11 said:
same for me...
maybe they donwload full text with attachments...
not my case..
to save bandwith i downlooad attachments at need, but i can't see them...
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I tried setting it to download full message and ticked the "include attachment", but still nothing...

airon11 said:
my inbox contains nearly 1000 mails and works great....maybe a number of labels issue...i've got few labels...
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I have more than 15 000 mails...and it's failing. I've tried with an account with 100 mails and it succeeded. So, the problem come from Google and not from the phone...

how did you got this to work? it doesnt push to my TP2. I have to manully press sync to get new mail.
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It's not really working for me. I have to manually tap send/receive to get any new mails, which defeats the purpose of push.
Previously, I had forwarded all my Gmail to another exchange server which I use to sync with my phone. Often, my phone will have new mail pushed to it even before it shows up on my desktop Outlook.
I'll give this a try for another day or so. But if it stays like this, I'm going to have to go back to my old ways...
Edit: Ok, I actually don't have to manually send/receive to get mails. But apparently, I have to wait 10 minutes before it's pushed to my device. Not good...
Edit2: Seems like the timing improved to 3 minutes, but as previously mentioned, attachments don't work. That's a deal breaker...
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wangxx said:
how did you got this to work? it doesnt push to my TP2. I have to manully press sync to get new mail.
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Open ActiveSync on your device. Tap "Menu" then "Schedule". If you select "As items arrive" that indicates the push function. All other settings are pull functions.

Email Messaging on HTC Touch Pro2

Hi All,
Say, if i do emails on my tp2, i send the email out and forget to bcc me, i forward the email to myself separately. I only get my signature without the full contents. Wondering if this is normal??
Is there any way we can configure the client or alternate programs to like pull emails like from 9am to 6pm instead?
Kinda like Nokia's default email client on e71s, i can choose when and how to download emails. And at the same time have an option to automatically send me a copy of the emails.
Thanks alot in advance or sorry if this is a stupid question..
EDIT: Is this a known thingy? Will wm 6.5 be addressing this issue?

1. When I forward mails, the entire message is included. I can think of 2 reasons why this isn't working for you.
a. You use Windows Live email (ie Hotmail) and you didn't toggle on the setting in Windows Live to include original message when replying/forwarding.
b. You've only set to download the email headers. You need to download the full message from the server before forwarding to include the whole message.
2. You can schedule your email push/pull between specific times of the day only if you use Windows Live or Exchange.
I know many people like to bcc themselves on all emails but you can just check the Sent folder as an alternative. I guess it's just a matter of preference...

My work email is primative pop3/smtp.. I'm using the default messaging on the htc touchflo3d, not the windows live.
Hmm.. i'll try the down entire message thingy..

Hi,
Have tried to use download entire email messages... still the same.. when i forward the email out.. it goes until only my signature.. does not forward the entire message

anymore ideas??

I was wondering that perhaps it may be because you're connecting via POP3. But this doesn't appear to be the case. I just tested setting up my Gmail account via POP3 and I can forward messages just fine.
After you tap on "Forward", you should be taken to a compose screen where you type in your recipients. If you scroll down, do you see the original message in full?

thats the thing... i can see the whole email in full.. theres teh "edit original sender's message" thingy...
but when i actually click send.. it only send out the portion i typed.. -.-
I have sent my phone in for service b4, updated software, hard reset... all the same... maybe i'll try my gmail and update again..

What happens if you tap the part thatt enables you to edit the original message before you send?

same ; ;
10chars

tested with Gmail and yahoo... by configuration, both uses imap on the client..
tested with my other personal email from isp... think i found a pattern..
If i forward from inbox.. everything ok..
If i forward from sent items... only what i type is sent...
i didnt test on imap.. deleted my account.. anyone got any observations??

any help??!?? ; ;

SMS & Exchange synchronisation => crash

Hi,
I am using the new SMS synchronisation with exchange, but sometime, after a while, sending a new SMS to my contact through the OWA just kind of crash my phone. Active sync become unresponsive and the phone gets hot!
The only solution left is to reboot the entire phone...
Does anyone else experienced this issue?
Any help, advice welcome!
Thank you

Wait, what's this? SMS through OWA? Sync SMS with Outlook? Need more info.

godefroi said:
Wait, what's this? SMS through OWA? Sync SMS with Outlook? Need more info.
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I am not sure that this feature is really interesting, because it is buggy so far. Pushing SMS from the phone to exchange works fine, but OWA to the phone is buggy.
This feature comes with exchange 2010 and WM6.5. If you have both, after your first sync you'll be able to enable it.
Here is a link from the exchange team blog: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/05/15/451337.aspx

fun_key said:
I am not sure that this feature is really interesting, because it is buggy so far. Pushing SMS from the phone to exchange works fine, but OWA to the phone is buggy.
This feature comes with exchange 2010 and WM6.5. If you have both, after your first sync you'll be able to enable it.
Here is a link from the exchange team blog: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/05/15/451337.aspx
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Yeah, I've read about this feature of Exchange 2010 -- sounds cool...wish my Exchange-Server host would upgrade from 2007.
Of course, phone getting hot and locking up sounds less cool...

Hi everbody,
I'm operating my own Exchange and recently upgraded it to 2010.
A colleague of mine and I are using HD2's where I have the same symptoms. I wasn't able to send an SMS through OWA (altough the server's listing the mail under "Sent items").
Strangely the text message is showing up in the conversation view on the phone.
When I now open up Outlook 2007 (as 2010 rtm hasn't been released, yet) the message is still in the outbox (unsent items, don't know what the translation is).
Now it comes:
A third person is using a Touch Diamond with some hacked Windows Mobile 6.5 - working flawlessly.
Anyone of you looked at that post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575848
Maybe that's a solution, but I haven't tried, yet.

@Brainscanner
i read the post, but i can't apply it to the rhodium

Just gave it a try. Working fine for me and the colleague with HD2's.

Touch pro 2 email issue

I just bought a tp2 from Sprint. After setting up my email accounts and using the phone for a few days, and talking to Sprint support, I discovered that the phone does not support deleting emails from the server even though there is an option on the phone to do just that. If this is true then I will have to delete them from my computer even though I've already reviewed them. Has anyone else had this issue/ found a way around it?

Are you using IMAP or POP3? If you are using POP3, I don't know that there will ever be and answer to that. that is why I switched to IMAP. My sent messages and any changes I make are synched between phone, server, and desktop. The only problem is if you use a lot of folders, I am still trying to figure out a way for it to alert me when a new mail arrives in a folder other than the main folder. . ..

Thanks, I'm afraid it's POP3 for me. Looks like no joy.

Where's your email through? May still be able to switch if you want.

My email comes through Godaddy. Thanks, does that help?

Yup. You may be in luck:
http://help.godaddy.com/article/4714
This gives you instructions on how to access your Go-daddy email via IMAP instead of POP3. How familiar are you with IMAP? If you are not, I"d look into it. There are great benefits. It takes some serious switching over if you use Outlok or TBird on your desktop, as you will need to totally switch over to IMAP. Basically the idea is that the folders reside on the server instead of your computer.
I will warn you that on the TP2 and tilt2 (and pretty much any phone, from what I understand) there is no way to be alerted about emails that arrive to certain folders. In other words if you have serverside rules or even desktop rules that move emails to folders upon arrival, you will be able to see and read them on your phone, but you won't be alerted on their arrival. There are a few programs that are supposed to fix this but I have not found any that work for me (currently running Energy MaxSense Rom with WinMo 6.5, Also tried on the stock HTC TF 3d ROM, no dice. Even tried SPB Shell)
The concensus I have heard is that the reason no one, including M$ have tried to fix this is because there is an overiding belief that setting up rules to automatically deliver mail to folders is risky (what if you didn't catch the email?) and not the best setup from an organizational point of view.
They say you should have all emails go to your inbox and then move them to folders by yourself after you read them, thus sorting them and giving your brain physical evidence of having "dealt" with them (this mostly comes from the Getting Things Done crowd).
I was never sold on that, but I might be switching to this methodology out of necessity, since other wise I have to check all folders constantly.
Please, anyone, correct me if there is a better solution.

dbtfree said:
Yup. You may be in luck:
http://help.godaddy.com/article/4714
This gives you instructions on how to access your Go-daddy email via IMAP instead of POP3. How familiar are you with IMAP? If you are not, I"d look into it. There are great benefits. It takes some serious switching over if you use Outlok or TBird on your desktop, as you will need to totally switch over to IMAP. Basically the idea is that the folders reside on the server instead of your computer.
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Just a note on Thunderbird for the desktop. It is quite possible to have both IMAP and POP for the same account in TB. I do it for my work account. I have the POP account so that I keep my emails locally, and I use the IMAP (Inbox) to delete mail off the server.