I wanted to revisit this discussion that has crept into a couple of other threads.
I have a Diamond I bought from Hong Kong back in mid-June. I'm in Canada and using the phone on Rogers' network. I'm afraid I don't remember the shipped ROM and radio, but it was one of the early ones.
In spite of other threads that say Diamonds out of Europe and Asia can't use Rogers 3G network, I was definitely able to access it. The download speeds were very fast (I downloaded a 40 MB podcast file in a matter of seconds) and the HSDPA "H" showed regularly (sometimes switching to EDGE in poor reception areas).
I decided to change the ROM a couple of days ago and have tried a number of different ones (Dutty 1.6, HK WWE 1.93.831.1, Elite 3.0) and tried some different radios (v1.00.25.07 and v1.00.25.05) but was never successful in getting HSDPA back and now I can only get EDGE.
I have searched the whole site for useful input on this subject but have yet to see anyone who has had HSDPA on Rogers like me. Was I just lucky or is there no way I could have been getting 3G? Can I get back to the early ROM and radio to see if it would work again (in spite of the slower performance)?
Help would be appreciated.
mbridges30 said:
I wanted to revisit this discussion that has crept into a couple of other threads.
I have a Diamond I bought from Hong Kong back in mid-June. I'm in Canada and using the phone on Rogers' network. I'm afraid I don't remember the shipped ROM and radio, but it was one of the early ones.
In spite of other threads that say Diamonds out of Europe and Asia can't use Rogers 3G network, I was definitely able to access it. The download speeds were very fast (I downloaded a 40 MB podcast file in a matter of seconds) and the HSDPA "H" showed regularly (sometimes switching to EDGE in poor reception areas).
I decided to change the ROM a couple of days ago and have tried a number of different ones (Dutty 1.6, HK WWE 1.93.831.1, Elite 3.0) and tried some different radios (v1.00.25.07 and v1.00.25.05) but was never successful in getting HSDPA back and now I can only get EDGE.
I have searched the whole site for useful input on this subject but have yet to see anyone who has had HSDPA on Rogers like me. Was I just lucky or is there no way I could have been getting 3G? Can I get back to the early ROM and radio to see if it would work again (in spite of the slower performance)?
Help would be appreciated.
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Which phone model do you have? You can find it under battery, should look like DIAMXXX
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Which phone model do you have? You can find it under battery, should look like DIAMXXX
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It is the DIAM100
i wish i could help. i have the same phone, contry and provider, but never did have 3g working with the stock rom, and radio. but im on pay as you go so no 3g for me anyway! but think mine shipped with RUU_Diamond_hTC_Asia_HK_WWE_1.34.831.1_52.24.25.08_0.93.25_Ship
i am on fido and it doesnt work
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i am on fido and the 3g works fine
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What kind of hardware of you using? Diamond 130?
I just cant see HTC wasting the money to have 2 different sets of hardware for European and american bands. That would be 2 different assembly lines, sets of workers, etc. But I am getting serioulsy frustrated trying to find out if I can download a Radio that will work with at&t 3g......
I just spoke to an Expansys rep and he said they will be receiving a NA version in 3 weeks, I asked if this was going to be a different hardware version he seemed very sure it was
I still am very skeptical..... for a launch this big, on top of that, at&t is getting the touch pro, and when it comes to htc products, at&t will only sell quadband pocket pc's. I really still doubt this will be different hardware. Especially if the person who posted this already had 3g on their EU diamond until they flashed a different rom.
EDIT* also, it could be he wanted to make a sale when they got them in, rather than you buy a European one now. Just one salespersons point of view.
Here is a link, let me know what you find. These are A BUNCH of the old roms. Let me know which one lets you have the 3g band
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400411&highlight=stock+asian+rom
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It is the DIAM100
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I have the same DIAM100, it originally came with 1.93 and I did not even have GSM850 until I flashed latest official ROM with 850Mhz support. But I'm in US and AT&T uses 850Mhz for WCDMA bands here.
I really hope you are right and DIAM100 can pick up 3G bands in NA
Sorry to interrupt, but what package you have with Rogers and $? I have the same phone and carrier, but I heard the data package here is a ripoff...
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Sorry to interrupt, but what package you have with Rogers and $? I have the same phone and carrier, but I heard the data package here is a ripoff...
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Yes, it's a huge ripoff but I was on Rogers site this morning...and I see that they have a promotional package on until Aug. 31. $30 for 6GB...added to your current voice plan. That's not too bad...their current pricing for 5GB is $100/mo.
...probably for the IPh**e launch...
Unl. internet for at&t in US, 15 dollars. They dont know I have a PDA
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Here is a link, let me know what you find. These are A BUNCH of the old roms. Let me know which one lets you have the 3g band
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400411&highlight=stock+asian+rom
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Blazer, thanks for this link. I spent a while trying out old ROMs but without success. I don't ever remember seeing "3G" but I did get an "H" (I'm not too sure what that means though). I have read through other posts and see that people are successfully getting voice on the 850 band and hoping for UMTS to follow on future radio versions.
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Sorry to interrupt, but what package you have with Rogers and $? I have the same phone and carrier, but I heard the data package here is a ripoff...
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I'm using the Rogers $30 for 6GB package and do quite a bit of surfing now and will probably do more audio streaming. I figured that since you have to pay something like $25 for 2 MB, $30 for 6GB is a relatively good deal.
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Well, since I can't seem to find any decent information about this, I figured I'd ask around a bit here. Does anyone know if I can use my phone in Japan? I'm going to be over there for the next four years and I have -no- idea what sort of network they use. Can I purchase a prepay SIM? If so, what companies do prepay? If not, what about plans, and what companies? And if you're really feeling adventurous, pricing on the above. Thanks for any information you guys can provide, I just need to know whether to sell my phone or hang onto it.
No it is not possible. There are no GSM networks in JP afaik. However there are a lot of advanced phone in JP for sure.
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No it is not possible. There are no GSM networks in JP afaik. However there are a lot of advanced phone in JP for sure.
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You could check here:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_jp.shtml
According to GSM World, NTT Docomo and Softbank have GSM roaming available. I'll be there next week, so I'll let you know!
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You could check here:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_jp.shtml
According to GSM World, NTT Docomo and Softbank have GSM roaming available. I'll be there next week, so I'll let you know!
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I could be wrong of course since I've never been to Japan. However I think the one your pointed out are 3G/UMTS/WCDMA networks. It is not downward compatible with GSM phones!
Yeah, I did some more searching around and from what I can tell it's all 3G. Sort of a shame, I'd rather take the hit and use my Excalibur on a prepay SIM rather than use what they offer. Yes, their phones are advanced, and all have videophone capability, high speed data, and can probably even whip up a banana split if you ask them to, but none of them have the sheer power of WM as far as I can tell. I think Softbank offers a Hermes derivative (X01HT?) though, maybe I'll pick up one of those.
No GSM roaming in Japan, however both SoftBank and DoCoMo offer the Hermes, called the X01HT and the hTc Z, respectively. You can't get them on prepaid, though. Prepaid service in Japan is very limited in terms of what types of handsets, etc. When I went back with my 802SE, I was able to use the WCDMA net for voice calls using my T-Mobile SIM, but data were limited to GPRS speeds, and video-call was out of the question.
~Cheers~
P.S. There IS another network there that you would be shocked to know about...
iDEN. They have Nextels in Japan. Why? I don't know.
Yeah I decided a day or two ago that I was going with the Hermes when I get over there.. it looks like Softbank has a $35 USD unlimited data plan as long as it's paired with a voice plan (which go as low as $8). I wonder if it's possible to use Skype for WM on it to call back to the States for minimal cost..? Seems like the phone itself is only $166 for Softbank.. I hear it's considerably higher for DoCoMo but I couldn't find a price for it.
As for iDEN, you couldn't pay me to use that system.
I am starting this thread because there are a few of us out there who are using our Diamonds in the USA. As such who has the 3G working with ATT? What Radio are you using? What cool cabs are you using? Cheers.
I started this 2 weeks ago
I have a Diamond on At&t network......ALL IS GOOD.....EVERYTHING!!!!!!
Peace
Mike
I just got mine, and it is working on phone on AT&T ... but I haven't tried data connections yet. (WiFi works great.)
(The thing is so feature-stuffed it's hard to take it all in!)
I'm trying to understand how to enable the 850Mhz band, which involves flashing a new ROM, I think. Right now it has 1.93.456.2 WWE
My understanding is that it wont do 3G in the USA, even with a new ROM.
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I just got mine, and it is working on phone on AT&T ... but I haven't tried data connections yet. (WiFi works great.)
(The thing is so feature-stuffed it's hard to take it all in!)
I'm trying to understand how to enable the 850Mhz band, which involves flashing a new ROM, I think. Right now it has 1.93.456.2 WWE
My understanding is that it wont do 3G in the USA, even with a new ROM.
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That is correct. GSM 850/1900 work just fine, EDGE works. No 3G :-(
I have a diamond on AT&T and all is good except 3G data is not working only Edge. To enable the 850Mhz band you will need to flash the 0.5 Radio. Of course you also use any ROM of your choice but the only Radio that enables the 850Mhz band for now is the 0.5.
Hopefully someone will unlock the 850 3G for good.
im on att as well, im thinking of going diamond or touch pro. The 3g being activated for data is critical for me. Does anyone know for sure if the limitation is only software based, or is there hardware differences?
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im on att as well, im thinking of going diamond or touch pro. The 3g being activated for data is critical for me. Does anyone know for sure if the limitation is only software based, or is there hardware differences?
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No confirmation either way on this. It's been asked (and awaiting an answer) by lots of people. It's the "$64K question".
So, right now, there are 2 Radio ROMs that support 850 Edge/GPRS/Voice. And 0 Radio ROMs that have been confirmed to support 850 3G.
I think we're all still also waiting for the Telstra Radio ROM dump that works on Telstra's NextG/3G network. Supposedly some "custom" .06 radio. Need to wait and see.
Just a gentle reminder: don't get Radio ROMs mixed up with the other OS/software ROMs. THey are independent of eachother. It's the Radio ROM that is needed that might make 850 3G a possibility.
I'm on AT&T in so cal and once I flashed the radio to .05 my edge reception was much better and more consistent. Still waiting on Telstra radio to see if 3g works
I have the 0.5 radio, and EDGE is working just fine for me in Pasadena, CA.
Just how much faster would 3G be as compared to EDGE, if it was enabled in the phone?
Is there a way to find out what frequency the radio is currently operating at?
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I have the 0.5 radio, and EDGE is working just fine for me in Pasadena, CA.
Just how much faster would 3G be as compared to EDGE, if it was enabled in the phone?
Is there a way to find out what frequency the radio is currently operating at?
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My friend, not only 3G is ages faster than egde but also the quality of the calls are crip clear since the network/phone when switched to 3G will use a different codec when making a call thus calls are clear...
Hey guys, would you please be so kind and post in the appropriate categories. We are talking here about ROM development. So the forums are still overcrowded and filled with doubled information and useless posts. Let's try to keep this place as clean as we can.
Thanks
any idea if i change my radio version on TP2 by installing AT&T or T-Mobile it could works the 3G on it?? i have TP2 EURO Version witch is runing on Edge Speed Network.
Its highly unlikely. The only reason i'm not gonna say a definitive no is because of the rumored world tp2. Now if its anything like the last like 3-4 HTC phones the antenna for the USA 3G bands is not installed in the device so u can do all the software u want but it won't change the fact that u won't get 3G
not gonna work, there's nothing u can do. This has been addressed many times, just search.
to bad as a good phone like tp2 does not support North American 3G
maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.
NorthAmerican 3G Network on TP2 ?? ¡¡¡Wait!!!
Hi guys, you must wait for the AT&T´s Fortress aka TP2
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming ( 850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS tri-band global 3G ( 850/1900/2100 MHz)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Fortress-phone-pb_3712.html
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maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.
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you really should have read up on this forum before you bought the phone. like esincho said, this has been addressed many, many times.
bujucito said:
Hi guys, you must wait for the AT&T´s Fortress aka TP2
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming ( 850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS tri-band global 3G ( 850/1900/2100 MHz)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Fortress-phone-pb_3712.html
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that's not really an accurate pic of AT&T's TP2. especially because of the QWERTZ keyboard. this was discussed too lol
cobra1971 said:
maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.
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i would never go as far to say u cant use the net at all the push pages make it very usable and edge isnt that slow its much slower than 3g but ive been replying to xda posts on my tp2 with no problem. if u want to stream stuff then ur out of luck
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i would never go as far to say u cant use the net at all the push pages make it very usable and edge isnt that slow its much slower than 3g but ive been replying to xda posts on my tp2 with no problem. if u want to stream stuff then ur out of luck
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I live in a 3G arean and i had 3G devices before and i do not see a speed difference between EDGE and 3G
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I live in a 3G area and i had 3G devices before and i do not see a speed difference between EDGE and 3G
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Yeah, there is not much of a difference if you use EDGE or 3G on the phone itself. I do everything on EDGE, and i'm quite happy. The peak i got here is 20kb/s and is fast enough for my everyday needs. I can even stream youtube normally, just like my PC.
The big difference here is when you tether. On everything else, EDGE is fine.
I live in a 3G area and just switched from my xperia to the touch pro 2 and there is a huge difference depending on what browser u use. And youtube loads very slow on edge at least for me it does. 3G was much faster!
Based upon my experience with the Touch HD T8282 in the US I wouldn't recommend anyone here buy the Rhodium 100 with European 3G. I'd suggest waiting for the Rhodium 300 with the UMTS850.
EDGE Sucks, forget any streaming....period.
^agree, usa 3G is a must have for speedy internet, streaming, etc.
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Based upon my experience with the Touch HD T8282 in the US I wouldn't recommend anyone here buy the Rhodium 100 with European 3G. I'd suggest waiting for the Rhodium 300 with the UMTS850.
EDGE Sucks, forget any streaming....period.
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Hi Mmdirk,
Is there anyway to identify physically or on Windows a Rhodium 3oo from a Rhodium 100?
Regards
Omar
well if you put the skyfire browser it makes a major differnece in speed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXgBcegnrs
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Hi Mmdirk,
Is there anyway to identify physically or on Windows a Rhodium 3oo from a Rhodium 100?
Regards
Omar
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Omar,
If you bought yours from Mobile City Online then there is no doubt yours is the Euro version Rhodium100. The US version has not yet been released. Lift up the battery cover and the model# should be under the battery.
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Omar,
If you bought yours from Mobile City Online then there is no doubt yours is the Euro version Rhodium100. The US version has not yet been released. Lift up the battery cover and the model# should be under the battery.
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Hi Bersca,
You are right, it is a Rhodium100
Regards
Omar
Im sending mines back!!! That was a deal breaker for me... they should have been upfront about it... Unless I can figure out how to put US 3G on here, I'm sending it back to Hong Kong...
Upfront??? Its all over these forums on HTC's website. I'm not sure how much more information you needed? A big red sign? I don't understand this confusion.
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Im sending mines back!!! That was a deal breaker for me... they should have been upfront about it... Unless I can figure out how to put US 3G on here, I'm sending it back to Hong Kong...
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seriously, stop posting your sob story in any thread you find.
it's no one's fault but yours that you bought the European version that doesn't run 3G in the US. if you had done your research instead of relying only on whatever online store you purchased it from, you would have known that the Rhodium 100 doesn't have the necessary bands to support 3G here.
all that info is in this forum, all you had to do was look. so stop blaming the online merchant for not being "upfront" with you, because no one here will care. it's your fault for not researching the phone further than "ooohhhh the screen tilts and it's a 3.6 inch WVGA resolution and it has dual speakers and blah blah blah" learn from this mistake so you won't waste your money and posting space on the forum.
Just got my Touch Pro II... here's my problem, perhaps you can help...
1. Even though bluetooth is advertise in the specs, it does NOT HAVE VOICE COMMAND... you'll have to buy that software separately...
2. WILL NOT RUN ON 3G NETWORK... I could almost live with the first faux pas... but not running on 3G is a deal breaker!!! Youtube stuttered... CNN was horrible...I even downloaded SkyFire... still no help. Called HTC, he said the Taiwanesse phone was not designed for this market. He said the Rom will not accomodate this 3G network.... I'm sending the damn thing back and wait on ATT version... AM I MAKING A MISTAKE? Please answer before I box it up... Len
I am sure I read here somewhere, that the non US versions don't support 3G. You may want to read some other threads to verify yourself though.
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2. WILL NOT RUN ON 3G NETWORK... I could almost live with the first faux pas... but not running on 3G is a deal breaker!!! Youtube stuttered... CNN was horrible...I even downloaded SkyFire... still no help. Called HTC, he said the Taiwanesse phone was not designed for this market. He said the Rom will not accomodate this 3G network.... I'm sending the damn thing back and wait on ATT version... AM I MAKING A MISTAKE? Please answer before I box it up... Len
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Are you blind or just being lazy to read?? Posts of european version of TP2 is not compatible w/ AT&T 3G is all over here (it's even listed on HTC official website). Who could you blame if you are not doing research before you purchase???
did you read anything about this phone before buying it?
Can he actually read?
ok ok that was a lame one ..
but yes, you should do research about these things before buying it.
for the xperia as example they have an Xi and an Xa a for US and i for europe.
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Just got my Touch Pro II... here's my problem, perhaps you can help...
1. Even though bluetooth is advertise in the specs, it does NOT HAVE VOICE COMMAND... you'll have to buy that software separately...
2. WILL NOT RUN ON 3G NETWORK... I could almost live with the first faux pas... but not running on 3G is a deal breaker!!! Youtube stuttered... CNN was horrible...I even downloaded SkyFire... still no help. Called HTC, he said the Taiwanesse phone was not designed for this market. He said the Rom will not accomodate this 3G network.... I'm sending the damn thing back and wait on ATT version... AM I MAKING A MISTAKE? Please answer before I box it up... Len
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Yes, you made a mistake.......by even breathing all day today !!!
You seem the type to buy a car from the U.K and ship it to the U.S and then complain that the steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car.
are you kidding me?! where have you been the past few months? its been stated multiple times in this forum that th euro version doesn't run US 3G. and why would you buy a phone without researching it first? if you knew the US 3G bands and compared them to what the euro TP2 uses, then you would have known. and its not the ROM that doesn't support it. its the hardware on the phone. people who don't read and search and do research annoy the s*** out of me.
You don't just buy a phone because it looks cool.
So you are an American then I will swap you my X1a (works with ATT 3G), including original Box, including extra 3600 extended mugen battery, and Samsung SCH-I760 for your phone.
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You don't just buy a phone because it looks cool.
So you are an American then I will swap you my X1a (works with ATT 3G), including original Box, including extra 3600 extended mugen battery, and Samsung SCH-I760 for your phone.
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haha sounds like a good deal!!!
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1. Even though bluetooth is advertise in the specs, it does NOT HAVE VOICE COMMAND... you'll have to buy that software separately...
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I wrongly presumed that pretty much anybody buying a TP2 would know how bluetooth works... I really had to laugh at this one, sorry about that.
How can you think that 'bluetooth' reads 'voice command'. Bluetooth just means bluetooth, nothing more, nothing less, just bluetooth.
It's like buying a car advertised as a manual gearbox (stick shift) and then complaining "where's the twin turbo and NOS!?"
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Yes, you made a mistake.......by even breathing all day today !!!
You seem the type to buy a car from the U.K and ship it to the U.S and then complain that the steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car.
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No no, the steering wheel is on the "RIGHT" side of the car
I have TP2 for the US and it works fine.
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I have TP2 for the US and it works fine.
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yeah, but you do not have 3G though.
if the European TP2 could run on 3G here in the states i would already have one.
people don't realize that EDGE data really isn't THAT bad. I've been using it for a couple of days just to see how slow it really is, and it's actually pretty fast. sure, it's not as fast as 3G, but it's decent. and besides, an unlocked TP2 still has Wi-Fi capability, and in most cases Wi-Fi is faster than 3G. if I had the money, I'd buy the unlocked version and save myself the stress of waiting for it to come out for ATT
EDGE is fine for US networks compared to the overcrowded WCDMA that AT&T is currently touting. They need a major upgrade at some point. Most iPhone users have been getting dropped down to EDGE speeds without realizing it since they don't ever check their bandwidth. Same thing happens with most WM users in the US. On a good day, you'll get 1.2Mbps but on a bad day you'll end up with 60kbps T_T. In any case, the US should come out of the CDMA stoneage and get on the same good networks like the rest of the world. It's funny but I get higher speed everywhere else in the world except in the US. Consistency is key.
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people don't realize that EDGE data really isn't THAT bad. I've been using it for a couple of days just to see how slow it really is, and it's actually pretty fast. sure, it's not as fast as 3G, but it's decent. and besides, an unlocked TP2 still has Wi-Fi capability, and in most cases Wi-Fi is faster than 3G. if I had the money, I'd buy the unlocked version and save myself the stress of waiting for it to come out for ATT
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I agree. I've had 3G on my Xperia and my Tilt and I can't say i'm dying cause on edge. With push pages it helps a lot. I know that even after having it for a while i would still buy it again and recommend it to anyone even on edge.
Lenstar said:
Just got my Touch Pro II... here's my problem, perhaps you can help...
1. Even though bluetooth is advertise in the specs, it does NOT HAVE VOICE COMMAND... you'll have to buy that software separately...
2. WILL NOT RUN ON 3G NETWORK... I could almost live with the first faux pas... but not running on 3G is a deal breaker!!! Youtube stuttered... CNN was horrible...I even downloaded SkyFire... still no help. Called HTC, he said the Taiwanesse phone was not designed for this market. He said the Rom will not accomodate this 3G network.... I'm sending the damn thing back and wait on ATT version... AM I MAKING A MISTAKE? Please answer before I box it up... Len
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Words escape me.... but there had to be a first, but congratulations Lenstar, you are the first..
On a serious note.. have you tried switching to the 2100 WCDMA frequency?
Not totally sure of the options on the TP2, but i believe under the network settings there should be an option to scan for a different network.
The Taiwanese HTC web site states that the Taiwanese version of the handset is built for European and Asian 3G networks running at 900 and 2,100 MHz.
...not to mention the sorry battery life that 3g get you even if it were fast all the time i would struggle with keeping it on because ei use my tp2 all the time for work and pleasure and i would have to charge it twice a day if i used 3g
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people don't realize that EDGE data really isn't THAT bad. I've been using it for a couple of days just to see how slow it really is, and it's actually pretty fast. sure, it's not as fast as 3G, but it's decent. and besides, an unlocked TP2 still has Wi-Fi capability, and in most cases Wi-Fi is faster than 3G. if I had the money, I'd buy the unlocked version and save myself the stress of waiting for it to come out for ATT
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I 2nd that
I have read for a while and I have found nothing that will make me 100% sure for what I need.
I'm interested in buying this phone as it's similar to the Sprint Evo Shift but will work with the new GSM network my carrier has with HSPA+ (at least for 7.2mbps as far as I've read).
So, I know the DZ will work as my carrier uses 850/1900 for HSPA, but I've seen that people with AT&T in the US buy the DZ (not the G2 as T-Mobile uses other frequencies).
My question is, what's finally the difference between both phones? Is there a hardware difference that makes them operate on different frequencies or is it only related to the flashed radio?
It's confusing to me as many people in the forum assure in other threads that the phones are exactly the same, but if people with AT&T spend more for the canadian version makes me think it's a HW issue.
Thank you and regards
Frequency compatibility is set in hardware, and can't be modified with software. You need to buy the phone that is compatible with your carrier's 3G network. As you suspected, this is the reason why AT&T customers (like myself) have paid premium prices for the Bell Canada version of the Z, the only version of the Vision that is fully compatible with AT&T's 850/1900 MHz 3G network.
Aside from frequency compability, the Z and the G2 are essentially the same phone. The G2 has a keyboard button for .www and .com (its a Tab key on the Z). But that's really it. Of course, the Z has Sense, but that is software, and you can flash a Sense ROM if you want.
redpoint73, thank you very much. I have the Evo Shift right now that works on the 3G CDMA network, but my provider just released the 4G HSPA+ GSM network and since then, I feel 3G speeds are getting lower every day and the network isn't as stable anymore as it used to be.
I was about to buy the T-Mobile version, but now I'm confident that I need the Bell version... Will have to wait for a good deal on Ebay. Too bad that HTC has only these options with keyboard, I really like my Evo Shift, but I'm getting speeds as low as 380kbps for download while users with HSPA+ are getting up to 4mbps...
Are you sure that GSM phones even work on Sprint? My understanding is that the your phone needs to be Sprint branded, otherwise they will not have an ESN number to activate in the system.
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No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...
mschmiedel said:
No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...
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Ahh, I understand now. That makes a lot more sense. You didn't mention your carrier (or country), but mentioned Sprint, so I assumed that was your carrier.
Right now, it seems that indeed the Bell Canada version of the Desire Z is best fit for what you want (same conclusion that I came to a few months ago).
Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.
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Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.
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Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.
Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.
mschmiedel said:
Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.
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I was going to recommend the Inspire, even though you seemed to need/want a physical keyboard. It looks like a great phone.
The Desire Z is my 3rd smartphone, and all have had physical keyboards. But for my next, I am seriously considering going without the physical keyboard. I can't stand typing on a touch screen by the "traditional" method. But I've found that with Swype, I can type as fast, maybe even faster than with the physical keyboard. I've been finding myself using the physical keyboard much less than I thought I would.
Yes, I really like Swype too, but I have some issues with it. I write moste messages in Spanish, but I also use English and German. Changing languages is not as easy as I think it should be. But well, the main issue for me is that Swype always uses special charecters in Spanish/German (ñ, á, ä, etc.) which is nice on Emails, whatsapp, etc. but is a big problem with SMS texting as carriers in Mexico don't support these characters (it's really stupid) so messages sometimes get messed up completely.
I think that's the main reason why I like the physical keyboard. I have had many smartphones (mogul, touch, diamond, touch pro, motorola droid, htc evo and now the evo shift). I really hated the droid's keyboard, but the shift is really nice to use. Will have to get used to using on screen typing again... I think it's not worth paying 500 bucks for the Desire Z due to shippig if I can get a brand new Inspire for less...
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Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.
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Sorry, didn't come back to this thread yesterday. I'm not sure of the exact breakdown for the partitions. I know the system is smaller and a couple others vary. There's an old thread somewhere on here with the details though.