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For me it would be the fact that it STILL has
the same greyish, blocky scrollbars as Windows 3.1 had....
You'd imagine they would have revamped those by now...
That is a minor quibble. Personally I do not see anything wrong with WM6... yet.
Most of us here are still happy that at least we are getting WM6
If anything I had a bit of quibble with Opera and its interaction with WM5\WM6 but then again, that is a software issue.
Yeah, if that's all you have to complain about in WM6, I think you're LOOKING for things to complain about.
Like the "Error Syncronizing" problem in Outlook, that no one but me seems to have seen; or the Calendar problem where Month is always the default view, no matter what's chosen in Options... These are legit. problems, not just complaints.
richy240 said:
Y; or the Calendar problem where Month is always the default view, no matter what's chosen in Options... These are legit. problems, not just complaints.
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I am running LVSW Edition 2007-03-25 and do not have this problem with calendar, maybe it is your version.
Ron
Try UIQ for a month, you`ll hate PPC
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.
hm, the most annoying thing you say.
yeah , can think of 1 - a minor issue yet very annoying.
the busy signal comes out of the loudspeaker (as it did in wm5) !
i hate it. yeah of course you can delete the signal or change ir to a very quiet one, yet ...
elivne said:
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.
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I do use UIQ3 on my M600, and I'm not impressed in the least. It has it's own set of problems... Stability for one. It's better than it was, but it still isn't great.
As for stolen features, that's crap... name one feature WM6 stole from UIQ. I beg you...
I beg to differ
richy240 said:
I do use UIQ3 on my M600, and I'm not impressed in the least. It has it's own set of problems... Stability for one. It's better than it was, but it still isn't great.
As for stolen features, that's crap... name one feature WM6 stole from UIQ. I beg you...
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you are using UIQ3 - don't know that OS yet.
stolen features?
what about the new "week view" of calender? it`s entire functionality is copied from UIQ 2.1, what about the softkeys finally they copied the ability to navigate the device features?
stability, I used a p900 - for 2 years - 3!! HR(and I was to BLAME)
PPC? - cant count any more, a buggy program can crash your device until the next HR.
most of WM6 design targets declared where for a better use:
stability
speed
usability
Hmm, I had a P900 and the P910 (still use it from time to time) My friend has the Sony P990 (UIQ3). If you want to see problems with UIQ3 use a P990, admittedly most of it is hardware related but even on the M600 you will find problems.
The only way you can compare these two is to only run them on default software and never install 3rd party apps!! I have run 3rd party apps on my P900/P910 and had to do many soft resets etc even with popular apps (Sman etc)
I am so glad that I moved from UIQ(X) to WM(X) as just the increase in productivity software available to me has made it worth it alone! BTW my M3100 running the latest variant of WM6 is rock solid.
Oh & haven't you heard the expression there's nothing new under the sun. Everybody 'steals' from everybody else.
elivne said:
WM6 has a lot to learn, as I see it on WM6 we have many stolen UIQ features.
Microsoft still has a lot to learn, a WM6 device just wont work as a normal phone and switch to "PDA Mode" when you need it.
UIQ has done it, you have a perfectly working phone with access to all the main features, with a flip of a switch you can transfer yourself to a fully featured PDA.
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Well I havent taken the plunge to WM6 yet, still on WM5, but yes... having migrated from UIQ on several previous phones, I find WM to be an abomination of undocumented, overcompicated and non-integrated bloatware.
The saving features, however, are that it's the only OS I can get on such great hardware (Hermes), and there is such a massive user base that like Windows for PCs, there is loads of great software and support from forums like this.
and here i thought the most annoying thing was that the soft buttons were reversed on the bubble breaker game
weinson said:
and here i thought the most annoying thing was that the soft buttons were reversed on the bubble breaker game
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The real most annoying feature - the thing just does not work. Period. It's a glorified organizer. It's a toy for geeks like us. It's anything but the reliable tool you can depend on. Radio, messaging, alarms / reminders - they all have [not] mind and schedules of their own ... actually M$ implanted brain farts
moisha said:
The real most annoying feature - the thing just does not work. Period. It's a glorified organizer. It's a toy for geeks like us. It's anything but the reliable tool you can depend on. Radio, messaging, alarms / reminders - they all have [not] mind and schedules of their own ... actually M$ implanted brain farts
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SSSHHH! You were not supposed to reveal that information!
But it is true... The look on the face of my GF when I have to restart my phone before I can make a call or when everything freezes when adding an appointment....
On my original post: the scrollbars might be a minor thing but it is something I see almost everytime I use this machine.
although I have not used UIQ for a while last one was uiq 2.1 i think or was it 3?
It was a very good os and stable.
but doesnt look as pretty as windows mobile.
Although its better programed and runs better on lower speed processors,
reminds me of the linux v windows situation.
pros and cons to both.
I like windows its pleasing to the eye
I'm sure this can be fixed, but i've search and haven't found a solution yet, so here goes, the most annoying thing about WM6 for is:
In WM5 (standard T-Mobile UK rom) i had a link in Start Menu for "Running Programs" this took me straight to Start->Settings->System->Memory->Running Programs, i would like to create a link on my WM6 that takes me straight here too, but i dont know how?
the thing I hate so far is they (in WM6) still dont allow you to quickley dial a meeting number.... like I used to do in a blackberry...... thats the only thing I find really annoying...
I sould be able to choose a reminder and if there is a number value in there I should be able to choose it to dail.....
one fo my biggest complaints.
in s60 phones when I was sent a concatenated message it would display as one contigious message.
in Wm5/Wm6 a concatenated message is displayed as several messages and sometimes they come in out of order which is really annoying.
if anyone knows of a fix for this short of using an alternate messaging app please let me know.
My biggest issue is that I cannot connect to my office VPN using Internet sharing, worked perfectly in WM5 as a wireless modem, normal browsing is ok.
Malcolm
Most annoying thing...
(1) Boot time is incredibly slow, at last count 40 seconds from reset to ability to make a call
(2) I still cannot send text messages to 'groups' - major gripe from WM5 followed through
(3) Text Messaging - New has been replaced by Delete as the initial text message screen (possibly a setting I havent found yet)
Major speed advantage so far though...
nbedford said:
I'm sure this can be fixed, but i've search and haven't found a solution yet, so here goes, the most annoying thing about WM6 for is:
In WM5 (standard T-Mobile UK rom) i had a link in Start Menu for "Running Programs" this took me straight to Start->Settings->System->Memory->Running Programs, i would like to create a link on my WM6 that takes me straight here too, but i dont know how?
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That actually wasn't WM5 but an addition by T-Mobile.
You could use X-button to close programmes completely instead of making them run in the background. That way you don't even have to go into 'running programmes'.
More infos:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Launch-Windows-Mobile-6-5-on-May-11-109719.shtml
br,
Chris
Any news about when HTC are planing to release 6.5 for our Diamonds?
cyron_at said:
More infos:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Launch-Windows-Mobile-6-5-on-May-11-109719.shtml
br,
Chris
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Great news, thanks! I can't wait
anyone know whats in it that we dont already have??
sapiora said:
Any news about when HTC are planing to release 6.5 for our Diamonds?
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Never.
mike21pr said:
anyone know whats in it that we dont already have??
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well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
The biggest improvement is that now, you can control your phone only with your finger, it's more "finger-friendly". No need to have a stylet.
Otherwise, it's only a "graphic" improvement I think...
racerx_ said:
well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
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Actually I would say that usability has been greatly improved. It's not just a new start menu and a today screen. There are some very nice touches here and there like a much better menu interaction, drop-down lists are improved so that you no longer need to use the stylus, there's a new Internet Explorer which even though it's not as good as Opera it does have some things that might be useful for certain websites...
Oh, there's also the new widget system for small web-based applications (MSN Weather and MSN Finances are good examples) and the new Titanium home screen seems to be highly customizable with plugins that look beautiful and so far seem to work well.
I would say that the main change is that Windows Mobile no longer looks like an outdated PDA and looks more like a modern hi-tech phone without the need of TouchFlo 3D which never got to the deeper parts of the OS.
Anchelspain said:
Actually I would say that usability has been greatly improved. It's not just a new start menu and a today screen. There are some very nice touches here and there like a much better menu interaction, drop-down lists are improved so that you no longer need to use the stylus, there's a new Internet Explorer which even though it's not as good as Opera it does have some things that might be useful for certain websites...
Oh, there's also the new widget system for small web-based applications (MSN Weather and MSN Finances are good examples) and the new Titanium home screen seems to be highly customizable with plugins that look beautiful and so far seem to work well.
I would say that the main change is that Windows Mobile no longer looks like an outdated PDA and looks more like a modern hi-tech phone without the need of TouchFlo 3D which never got to the deeper parts of the OS.
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i guess it's a matter of preference. The main thing i see is that its designed to be much more finger-friendly. But personally the way they did the menus, i find quite annoying and a bit sluggish.. i manage quite well right now without my stylus actually.. In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc. every time some menu takes over your entire screen it slows down the process of entering and selecting data
as far as not looking outdated? i don't know about that. I think looking at what HTC did with TF3D, although not perfect and the iphone interface, microsoft could have done a lot better for their first real facelift of windows mobile.. widgets? yeah but if i needed widgets i'd be using an omnia or a google phone
I tried WM6.5 for a few hours last weekend, hoping to embrace it.
I wasn't used to the home screen as it doesn't provide much information at first look. The menu enhancement is nice, but apparently HTC has it's own which seems to feel better.
The start menu is simply cluttered and feels sluggish. The scroll arrows don't look good either. Anyways.. my conclusion is that HTC seem to do a better job than MS. Perhaps WM7 is what they're spending their efforts in..
thanks cyron_at... yeah i read that yesterday somewhere as well that it's about to get released...
i think it's a great compliment to tf3d... tf3d aims at making the interface finger friendly - however you still find yourself taking out the stylus now and then (specially when behind the scenes in winmo!)... i think 6.5 further reduces the need for this... but its not "officially" coming to our diamonds, so let's c how it goes...
Officially speaking, WM 6.5 isn't supposed to be available on "older" devices (with respect to release date), but that may be subject changes.
racerx_ said:
well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
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I think it has built-in kinetic scrolling so that 3rd party manufacturers (like HTC) no longer have to write their own implementation. I believe the new IE has built-in support for Flash as well.
racerx_ said:
i guess it's a matter of preference. The main thing i see is that its designed to be much more finger-friendly. But personally the way they did the menus, i find quite annoying and a bit sluggish.. i manage quite well right now without my stylus actually.. In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc. every time some menu takes over your entire screen it slows down the process of entering and selecting data
as far as not looking outdated? i don't know about that. I think looking at what HTC did with TF3D, although not perfect and the iphone interface, microsoft could have done a lot better for their first real facelift of windows mobile.. widgets? yeah but if i needed widgets i'd be using an omnia or a google phone
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Totally agree.
MasK said:
.. my conclusion is that HTC seem to do a better job than MS. Perhaps WM7 is what they're spending their efforts in..
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Exactly. HTC has done wonders for revamping the old look and feel with winmo.
Interesting to say is that M$ took some ideas from HTC and implemented them in os(shouldn't they be the one to offer innovations?!).
I hope wm7 will be more finger friendly, but as the rumors say we will probably see one more wimmo 6.x iteration (6.7?) before the 7.
I'm really looking forward to see more android based phones and some more improvements of the os itself with a lot more soft(gps like igo for instance).
Resistive screens are really becoming outdated not only do they diminish the "touch" feel compared to capacitive screens but they are a ***** to use in the sunlight.
Cheers.
how's the keyboard in WM6.5, I can't find screenshot of it nor any special talk here about it, is there any keyboard in it at all
also, video call doesn't work yet, right?
cloudedhopes said:
thanks cyron_at... yeah i read that yesterday somewhere as well that it's about to get released...
i think it's a great compliment to tf3d... tf3d aims at making the interface finger friendly - however you still find yourself taking out the stylus now and then (specially when behind the scenes in winmo!)... i think 6.5 further reduces the need for this... but its not "officially" coming to our diamonds, so let's c how it goes...
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for me spb mobile shell 3.0 is very finger friendly an very customize able.
racerx_ said:
In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc.
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Smartphones and PPCs are not business only any more.
If MS only focused on the business market WINMO would disappear, or atleast not develop any further. Phone manufactures are about selling handsets. If the general consumer (who buy more handsets than businesses) are not happy with an OS they will not by that phone.
Not every phone user is techsavy enough to flash updates from websites. They want updates sent to their device in a way that means they have little interaction and risk.
WINMO needs to develop to become a general consumer friendly OS whilst still pandering slightly to the business community. This is what I see happening in 6.5
Apologize for being coock
Windows Mobile 6.5 May Launch Not Likely
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/04/windows_mobile_10.html
Windows Mobile 6.5 ...
... Is only a better version of Windows Mobile 6.1. They changed some graphics and the start menu. But they aren't able to make it like it should be. YOU'LL NEED A STYLET! look at the dropdown menus and the little buttons. How does microsoft thinkt people should use this little items without a stylet?
No sorry , I hope that Winodws Mobile 7 will be better!
Ok so I'm considering converting to Android. Anyone here ever developed for that platform? How does it compare on the key features missing/not missing from WP7, like:
-Multitasking
-File system access
-Native code execution
-Sideloading
-GUI libraries (This is one of the POSITIVE things of WP7 - the Metro lib)
I can pretty much live with most limitations apart from file system access in some form - lack of it means that I can't even copy a ppt from a PC that doesn't have Zune stuff installed, let alone copy my ebook library to the phone. That is the most annoying thing on the iPhone, and I really hate to see it appearing here.
vangrieg said:
I can pretty much live with most limitations apart from file system access in some form - lack of it means that I can't even copy a ppt from a PC that doesn't have Zune stuff installed, let alone copy my ebook library to the phone. That is the most annoying thing on the iPhone, and I really hate to see it appearing here.
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im sure there will be a way, why else would they put power point on the phone only to have to email it to yourself?? that would be stupid, good thing i dont use PP
Well, there's desktop software, so you can "sync" some files to the device. Zune PC software is miles better and more flexible than the iTunes (i.e. you can add multiple sources/folders for different types of content), but it's still limited in so many ways (like you have to have software installed, which is a 50MB+ download, and it only exists for Windows). Another problem is that you can't download files from the internet with a browser (there's no file save dialog available, so where would you put it), you can't save an email attachment, etc.
vangrieg said:
Well, there's desktop software, so you can "sync" some files to the device. Zune PC software is miles better and more flexible than the iTunes (i.e. you can add multiple sources/folders for different types of content), but it's still limited in so many ways (like you have to have software installed, which is a 50MB+ download, and it only exists for Windows). Another problem is that you can't download files from the internet with a browser (there's no file save dialog available, so where would you put it), you can't save an email attachment, etc.
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i totally forgot about file downloads...i think im gonna miss that the most i hope they change it..i wanna be able to download things onto my phone, man they are taking so much away
but still adding enough for me to switch
We just need a jailbreak for this.
Android > WP7
I was, and still am, using WM for some time now and like it a lot. But having all these limitations just sucks. Having no multitasking and being stuck with the default startscreen without the possibility of having Sense, SPB Mobile Shell etc. is most annoying and will result in beeing my next phone an Android device ...
I can understand why Microsoft was tempted to adopt iPhones OS bit by bit, but this is just absurd. They stripped everything good from WM combining it with everything bad from the iPhone and mixing it with some eyecandy. Bravo ... and bye :-(
chalid said:
Android > WP7
I was, and still am, using WM for some time now and like it a lot. But having all these limitations just sucks. Having no multitasking and being stuck with the default startscreen without the possibility of having Sense, SPB Mobile Shell etc. is most annoying and will result in beeing my next phone an Android device ...
I can understand why Microsoft was tempted to adopt iPhones OS bit by bit, but this is just absurd. They stripped everything good from WM combining it with everything bad from the iPhone and mixing it with some eyecandy. Bravo ... and bye :-(
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WP7 > WM6.5 > iphone > android
android feels like a cheap mix of wm & iphone to me i never like it, yes they mite have stripped away alot of what made wm great but it also stripped away so much that made it horrible
Cheap mix? Have you recently used an Android device? The OS has grown up since first released. 2.1 is very nice to use and since its highly customizable, you can change the looks to whatever you like. And don't forget, google are frequently updating their OS - unlike the WM or Apple, where changes came quite slow.
So frequently they change their OS that the platform is a complete zoo already, with several major versions in the market, and even an achievement of making an application that works on a single phone. Granted, WM isn't much better, but at least it has an excuse of having existed for some 10 years.
chalid said:
Cheap mix? Have you recently used an Android device? The OS has grown up since first released. 2.1 is very nice to use and since its highly customizable, you can change the looks to whatever you like. And don't forget, google are frequently updating their OS - unlike the WM or Apple, where changes came quite slow.
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Customization is not only about a fancy look! For sure you can perform great hacks within a Java sandbox! :lol:
About frequent updates, yes, Android really needs them, to reach the level that WM 6 already has got!
I am with you in this part, that is the biggest let down for me.
I put quite a lot of files on my current WM, software utilities, my own data, etc.
I like to carry them, just in case I visited my friends/families and I want to help them fix their PC.
Now, how can I do that with WP7?
My only option would be via email ... or a bit better if there is DropBox.com client on WP7. But still, transferring large file will be painful.
Sure, I can live without multitasking, really, I dont use it much or not at all.
I can live without SD card slot (8GB or more internal storage is good enough for me).
I can live without side-loading, no worries.
But please give me access to transfer files ...
vangrieg said:
I can pretty much live with most limitations apart from file system access in some form - lack of it means that I can't even copy a ppt from a PC that doesn't have Zune stuff installed, let alone copy my ebook library to the phone. That is the most annoying thing on the iPhone, and I really hate to see it appearing here.
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chalid said:
Cheap mix? Have you recently used an Android device? The OS has grown up since first released. 2.1 is very nice to use and since its highly customizable, you can change the looks to whatever you like. And don't forget, google are frequently updating their OS - unlike the WM or Apple, where changes came quite slow.
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no i havent used the nexus 1 or the NEW stuff but, i could care less about frequent updates unless it added something major, i used the eris very briefly about a week ago & it seems pretty much like the same crap that was on the G1, i dont like it 1 bit(besides the lock screen) id rather stick with WM or switch to the iphone, but thats just me
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About frequent updates, yes, Android really needs them, to reach the level that WM 6 already has got!
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It's not just about frequency of updates, it's about consistency in the update policy as well. Having people see an Android phone and say "umm... I see that's running 1.5. Is it getting the 2.1 update?" is bad, getting replies down the lines of "maybe", "if we feel like it" or "if the manufacturer chooses to support the update" is disgusting. I'm not even referring to old handsets here, recent lower-end models are having this problem. Even the Milestone had problems, there was a distinct lack of info from Motorola about if and when the Milestone would go from 2.0 to 2.1
Android is an interesting OS, but I think Microsoft definitely have one up on Google with regards to the way they'll be handling manufacturers on WP7. It *should* work well, a nice balance between the Android/WinMo method of "do whatever you like" and Apple/Palm's method of locking down the hardware completely.
yes, updating an OS frequently comes with some disadvantages, but having an OS which is moving forward constantly, like android, outweighs those disadvantages. look at the features android is offering - neither WM/WP7 nor the iphone can compete with that.
and seriously, are you kidding with the updates? at least some devices are getting official updates from 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.0 and so on ... look at windows mobile handsets. WE have to keep our devices uptodate, since microsofts business model is too crappy to do that, and HTC sometimes just doesn't bother (how long did it take for the TP2 to get an 6.5 update?) - not to mention the other OEMs.
dont get me wrong, I like WM for what it is at the moment - highly customizable with nearly endless possibilities. and I love my HD2 more than ever, since I customized it exactly the way I needed. but after seeing what google has accomplished with android within this short period of time and the current version, I am pretty certain I will switch over to android - due to the massive shortcomings of WP7S. No copy and paste ... come on.
Android OF COURSE.
Nobody can seriously want a phone that does not even copy&paste. Not to mention multitasking. And worst of all, the only way to get files onto the phone is to email them to yourself. WP7S SUCKS BIG TIME.
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So frequently they change their OS that the platform is a complete zoo already, with several major versions in the market, and even an achievement of making an application that works on a single phone. Granted, WM isn't much better, but at least it has an excuse of having existed for some 10 years.
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This is complete crap and it annoys me when I read comments about this, "android fragmentation" etc by people who know nothing about the OS.
There are currently 2 "main versions" of Android
- Android 2.1 (and 2.0)
- Android 1.6
While it is true that phones are still being released with Android 1.6, most of them will be updated to 2.1 soon enough. There is absolutely no limitation of being on Android 1.6 you can still run 90% of apps. Android is backwards compatible, most developers will look to develop for Android 1.6 because it will work on both 1.6 and 2.1. Infact... I know of only 1 app which is 2.0+ exclusive which is Urbanspoon (big deal).
The phones which still run on 1.6 are largely those which run custom UI. This is because android is developed at a fast pace and developers need time to develop their custom UI. (2.0 and 2.1 are fairly new) They will be updated to 1.6 in time.
The G1 probably wont be updated, this phone is almost 2 years old? I'm sorry but technology moves fastly and its necessary to leave some things behind in order to progress.
So that's it. We have 2 versions, 1.6 and 2.0/1 with nearly all 1.6 phones being updated to 2.1 soon.
The Hero is still on 1.5 this because they decided to skip 1.6 altogether and go from 1.5 to 2.1 and that update is coming very soon.
Custom UI Doesn't cause fragmentation, it's like having TouchFlo3d on windows that doesn't cause problems. It's still the same OS underneath, still runs the same apps and still functions in the exact same way.
And no it's not an achievement of making an app which works on a single phone. Android is very easy to develop for, Java is easy to learn and an app coded for 1.6 will work for every device out there.
satchef1 said:
It's not just about frequency of updates, it's about consistency in the update policy as well. Having people see an Android phone and say "umm... I see that's running 1.5. Is it getting the 2.1 update?" is bad, getting replies down the lines of "maybe", "if we feel like it" or "if the manufacturer chooses to support the update" is disgusting. I'm not even referring to old handsets here, recent lower-end models are having this problem. Even the Milestone had problems, there was a distinct lack of info from Motorola about if and when the Milestone would go from 2.0 to 2.1
Android is an interesting OS, but I think Microsoft definitely have one up on Google with regards to the way they'll be handling manufacturers on WP7. It *should* work well, a nice balance between the Android/WinMo method of "do whatever you like" and Apple/Palm's method of locking down the hardware completely.
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Differences between Android 2.0 and 2.1?
Live Wallpapers
Gallery3D
Few tweaks
It wasn't necessary for Motorola to rush a 2.0 to 2.1 upgrade. All apps that work on 2.1 will work on 2.0 anyway.
It is totally irrelevant for the user whether the platform is fragmented.
The user just buys the phone that does what he wants. Sure, he can not know that a phone does what he wants just because it has "Android" written on it, but with a little bit of using his brain he can find out.
I want Android and MS Exchange? I buy the Desire. I do not have to care about other devices, so what? I don't give a **** about fragmentation.
I want a real keyboard? I buy the Droid/Milestone. Do I have to care what Android version other phones run? No.
Fragmentation is maybe bad for developers and it sure would be good if Google fixed it, but they have lots of time, cause WP7 starts off with very little apps, so Google has a huge lead.
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i just have to say even though i am living with my desire and android if you think windows was worse with all its faults it wasnt, i so fed up with how poor android is that i have to come and say android is **** as **** as windows ever was so ram a sock in it ahh feel better.
Seems like you wouldnt get along with ANY operating system... maybe even iOS is too hard to handle for you.
Solution: Get a Dynatac 8000 by Motorola. It was the first of all MobilePhones and should totally cover your needs
Seriously, learn to give some arguments when you already decided to post some bul*s#@t
Greets Mate
Windows better!
I assume you are talking about your windows double glazing of your home, if that is the case Andriod is useless in comparison and I agree!
If you are talking about Windows Pocket PC in comparison then I can only assume you have not turned your Desire on yet!
Sam
elburna said:
Seems like you wouldnt get along with ANY operating system... maybe even iOS is too hard to handle for you.
Solution: Get a Dynatac 8000 by Motorola. It was the first of all MobilePhones and should totally cover your needs
Seriously, learn to give some arguments when you already decided to post some bul*s#@t
Greets Mate
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Off topic.
I'm loving that Motorola
Just imagine the hardware they could fit in that if someone had the balls to make a phone that big today?
I have a Dynatac 8000 on my mantle peice .
The one on there dynatec 8000 is perfect.
Could we please get some pertinent, on-topic comments here? I am also interested in a realistic comparison between these two OS, cause I am about to switch from WM to Android and I'm not sure I will have the same functionality...
Thanks in advance.
Conrad
Well, I switched from WinMo 6.1 on an HTC Touch Cruise. It had a nice custom ROM and worked very well.
The Desire is just fabulous to hold and play with, but it doesn't do any more than the Win phone. Desire screen is beautiful and so much more responsive than the old one. Internet surfing is much better.
Having flashed the old phone's ROM many times, you might think that I'd jump in to doing the same with the Desire, particularly as it only has 2.1 not Froyo yet.
But, I'm nervous about it ..... all this talk of rooting drives me up the wall!
And, I have to buy sat nav all over again - Middle east, Europe and South Africa - there goes 200 Euros! (no, Google directions don't work here).
Sorry to ramble on.
HTH.
Right. I miss my Pocket PC. I miss how ActiveSync would lose the partnership every so often. And how I had duplicates everywhere in Outlook after I re-created the partnership.
Are you for real? Android wins over WinMo 6.5 anytime. I have used a WinMo device for over 2 years and Android is a hell lot better then WinMo, and no, it is not even as unstable as WinMo.
I love android but i find it so unstable, unrooted stock. Killed the original sd card, my new sd card is partly corrupt. Stupid apps issue no space (i know u can root but u shouldnt have to).
Otherwise android has loads of pros against winmo and id choose android any day.
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(taking about stock android, not htc stuff on top of it)
Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android).
Missing a proper bluetooth stack.
Missing a robust email client
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures
Missing a functional gallery
Missing the birthday and anniversary field
Missing a call recording app
Missing proper gsm/wav support
Missing a real install to sdcard function
Missing a real integration with Office
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates
Missing a stylus (hehe)
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience
But I agree that htc sense on top of android is miles ahead of manila on top of winmo, especially since you are comparing winmo devices quite older than desire & co.
You can't compare the two. It's like comparing an amiga 2000 to a pentium powered PC
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what have you got against the Amiga 2000 !! >:d
I went with android because I believe Google is slightly less evil than Microsoft.
As far as the os is concerned they both have pros and cons, its down to personal preference in the end.
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what have you got against the Amiga 2000 !! >:d
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Nothing ! It was actually a praise
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Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android). - did ms give you customer support for winmo??
Missing a proper bluetooth stack. - no its not get your facts straight
Missing a robust email client - yet again no its not lol
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures - oh no thats a deal breaker lol
Missing a functional gallery - erm ok if ya say so pal
Missing the birthday and anniversary field - no its not duh
Missing a call recording app - only a perv needs to record calls lol
Missing proper gsm/wav support - yes just what we all need a hasbeen audio codec lol
Missing a real install to sdcard function - nand chips are big enough these days this isnt needed....
Missing a real integration with Office - it neva guna happen end of the day use your head
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates - just because google updates the os and microsoft dosent, hows that bad? the udate function was just for show on winmo cuz ms are lazy
Missing a stylus (hehe) - not even worth a retort lol
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience - from your last post its also missing an educated audience
Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android). - did ms give you customer support for winmo??
Yes, there was an email address and a phone number.android has forum support, which is non existent
Missing a proper bluetooth stack. - no its not get your facts straight
Android bluetooth stack is really poor and unstable
Missing a robust email client - yet again no its not lol
Gmail client has only recently fixed some major bugs about quotation and links. Stock email client is lacking a lot of functions
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures - oh no thats a deal breaker lol
Yes it is
Missing a functional gallery - erm ok if ya say so pal
3D android gallery is slow, dodgy and has an awful crop function for contacts
Missing the birthday and anniversary field - no its not duh
Stock android contacts don't have those fields
Missing a call recording app - only a perv needs to record calls lol
I won't even comment that
Missing proper gsm/wav support - yes just what we all need a hasbeen audio codec lol
Most voip answering machines send messages as attachments in that format.
Missing a real install to sdcard function - nand chips are big enough these days this isnt needed....
Funny you have a desire with 120 MB for applications...
Missing a real integration with Office - it neva guna happen end of the day use your head
Use what ? Have you ever worked in a professional environment?
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates - just because google updates the os and microsoft dosent, hows that bad? the udate function was just for show on winmo cuz ms are lazy
Yeah right
Missing a stylus (hehe) - not even worth a retort lol
Whew
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience - from your last post its also missing an educated audience
What else to say...half your post has spelling errors, the other half is a "lol"
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I forsee in the future an new all encompassing OS called WinDroid mwuahahahaaa *cough*
I've used both, WinMo 6.5 on a hd2, and Android 2.2 on a Desire. The Desire I found is brilliant and really shows how much both Android devices and the Android operating system have come on since the initial release (my first android was a htc Hero running cupcake).
WinMo is good, i just find Android does better, the things I require from a mobile device. I guess its the apps that are streets ahead on Android, and the amount of free ones available. Windows mobile app development has pretty much come to a grinding holt, and even the apps that are available for both platforms, they seem so much better on Android (facebook app is a good example).
Also its interesting using the touch screen on WinMo 6.5 on the hd2 and also using it on Android on the hd2 also. Its like your using a different handset? The screen is so much more responsive using Android its unreal.
I really like the hd2 but after using the desire aswell, the Desire running 2.2 is my weapon of choice.
Of course the desire has my preference at the moment, of course it's also one generation ahead of my old touch hd.
My post was to point out some aspect of the immaturity and - at times - non-professional aspects of android.
It isn't out yet, but give me wp7 over the same desire hardware and I'm not so 100% sure which I will choose between htc sense and wp7. Give me stock android vs wp7 and I will choose wp7 blindly. Give me winmo 6.5.3 vs stock android and I will choose stock android very reluctantly.
I don't give so much importance if android has 20000 games, 30000 cool apps, etc. I only need 10-20 well made programs.
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Hey all,
I was wondering if there is a possibility to port WP7 apps to WP6.5.3? I was thinking about WP7 versions of Skype and all those things.
Thanks,
MadMatt
No. The frameworks, etc. are completely different and not supported on 6.X
Personally, I would be more interested in doing it the other other way, AKA current 6.1,6.5 etc apps to WP7....
Too much invested over the years with apps to just dump...but, that's just me...
I am actually quite happy we cannot do WM -> WP ports in a flash as that would make for a bunch of half assed ports showing up.
Being forced to rewrite [more of] it means you actually spend time on doing it right rather than a quick hack to get it running.
What is a little distressing is the fact a lot of low lever functionality is missing/blocked though and if anything I'm hoping we will get access to these sooner rather than later. While being able to intercept incoming calls or text messages may not sound like a big deal it is extremely versatile from a coders perspective.
Iridox said:
No. The frameworks, etc. are completely different and not supported on 6.X
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Wasnt there the Frameworks (XNA and Net 3.7) ported to wm6.5.x?? In another thread on this forum?
Im also not having hope for a fully working port of wp7 on my device. but I can remember one of the early statements of MS where they said that apps can easily be proted to older (paralel windows phone 6??) devices.
i think they meant that if you coded an app purely in .NET4 for WP you could re-use a lot of your code (almost certainly your basic classes at least) and relatively easily re-work it to .NETCF3 for WM6.X
My catalogue of WM apps is the only thing stopping me from making the just to be honest.....i couldn't live without my tomtom app etc for long
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Wasnt there the Frameworks (XNA and Net 3.7) ported to wm6.5.x?? In another thread on this forum?
Im also not having hope for a fully working port of wp7 on my device. but I can remember one of the early statements of MS where they said that apps can easily be proted to older (paralel windows phone 6??) devices.
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OHH so you like apps that just crash then go ahead and do it but if you want apps to work at acceptable speeds STOP BEING AN IDIOT GET A WP7 DEVICE. WM 6.5 FAILS IN TERMS OF SPEED EXCEPT HTC HD2. BUT IF YOU ENJOY NOKIA-LIKE CRASHES GO AHEAD AND TRY WP7 3D APPS ON WM6.5 IF U LIKE SLOW
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OHH so you like apps that just crash then go ahead and do it but if you want apps to work at acceptable speeds STOP BEING AN IDIOT GET A WP7 DEVICE. WM 6.5 FAILS IN TERMS OF SPEED EXCEPT HTC HD2. BUT IF YOU ENJOY NOKIA-LIKE CRASHES GO AHEAD AND TRY WP7 3D APPS ON WM6.5 IF U LIKE SLOW
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Just relax please. I'm not that idiot that I want a heavy 3D application on my WP6.5 device. I was thinking about apps like Skype