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Media Player only ROM???

Hi all, long time lurker here ... so thanks for all of your hard work, has always made my HTC devices far more useful
I would really love to turn my diamond into a media player only as I use a Touch Pro as my main phone now. I know this is perhaps a little counter-intuitive to many of you ... but I was wondering if there would be an easy way to create a ROM that was just a mediaplayer and bluetooth. Disable all gsm/umts hardware to save battery life and perhaps leave wifi and a browser app. I would also love to see the "touch scroll" feature for navigating lists and what not, but before I get too excited with my idea I will let you all sanity check me.
TIA
Sam

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s.t.s said:
Hi all, long time lurker here ... so thanks for all of your hard work, has always made my HTC devices far more useful
I would really love to turn my diamond into a media player only as I use a Touch Pro as my main phone now. I know this is perhaps a little counter-intuitive to many of you ... but I was wondering if there would be an easy way to create a ROM that was just a mediaplayer and bluetooth. Disable all gsm/umts hardware to save battery life and perhaps leave wifi and a browser app. I would also love to see the "touch scroll" feature for navigating lists and what not, but before I get too excited with my idea I will let you all sanity check me.
TIA
Sam
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would it not be cheaper ....to buy a thing called a ipod?
i here thay can do what you want
4gb on a diamond won't go far

true ... but an ipod I don't already have and I do have a diamond
Also ... I am really not a fan of being forced to use iTunes with an iPod and the other media players are not as shiny as my Diamond
I do understand there may not be a great demmand for this, but if it was easy then I would be a very happy dude.

s.t.s said:
true ... but an ipod I don't already have and I do have a diamond
Also ... I am really not a fan of being forced to use iTunes with an iPod and the other media players are not as shiny as my Diamond
I do understand there may not be a great demmand for this, but if it was easy then I would be a very happy dude.
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You can always cook a version with nearly no OEM apps except your media player. As for your phone/gsm/etc support, why cripple the phone? Just turn airplane mode on in your comm manager.

I would still like bluetooth ... and I would love a super light rom that booted nigh on instantly ... I am guessing from the responses so far though that this may not work out as an idea though

s.t.s said:
I would still like bluetooth ... and I would love a super light rom that booted nigh on instantly ... I am guessing from the responses so far though that this may not work out as an idea though
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Instant booting is not something WM does well...
I guess it might be possible to strip down the SYS as well as the OEM, and leave you with Phone, media player(s) and comm manager, without email/messaging, office, games, terminal services etc...
I have a Diamond arriving on (hopefully) Wednesday, when I get it, I'll try and cook a really light ROM for you!
Just so I know, what media player would you prefer?

thanks l3v5y ... that would be awesome ... I have only every really used the built in mediaplayer. whatever the best/simplest mediaplayer there is that has a decent interface ... just doing a bit of searching now to see what kind of media players are available.
How quick do you reckon you might be able to get the boot time to?
Also if you could leave Opera/allow install of opera that would/could be useful.
A quick browse suggests S2p could be a good choice I am gonna give it a quick try now?

s.t.s said:
thanks l3v5y ... that would be awesome ... I have only every really used the built in mediaplayer. whatever the best/simplest mediaplayer there is that has a decent interface ... just doing a bit of searching now to see what kind of media players are available.
How quick do you reckon you might be able to get the boot time to?
Also if you could leave Opera/allow install of opera that would/could be useful.
A quick browse suggests S2p could be a good choice I am gonna give it a quick try now?
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I haven't tried to see how fast I can get boot times on a Diamond. When I get mine I can see.
If you get a list of all the software you want/need, I can try and remove all the rest.

Thats great ... thanks
I would like all of the S2 apps and the bluetooth stack so that I can use A2DP
Thats it really ... all I want is great battery life and fast performance.
No need of touchflo3d or any other shinyness from HTC at all.
Happy to have wifi and phone removed to help battery life. If they can't be removed or if the two benefits I would like to see won't happen by removing them then please add in Opera.
If it is possible to get S2P and S2U to autostart then that would be doubly cool.
Cheers
Sam

To the OP: Pocket Player is a great mediaplayer. At least for music, as I haven't tried it with video.

s.t.s said:
Thats great ... thanks
I would like all of the S2 apps and the bluetooth stack so that I can use A2DP
Thats it really ... all I want is great battery life and fast performance.
No need of touchflo3d or any other shinyness from HTC at all.
Happy to have wifi and phone removed to help battery life. If they can't be removed or if the two benefits I would like to see won't happen by removing them then please add in Opera.
If it is possible to get S2P and S2U to autostart then that would be doubly cool.
Cheers
Sam
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Use CorePlayer for video. x264 decoding...
Like I already mentioned, WIFI and Phone can be turned off via comm manager, so you don't lose any battery anyways...
As for autostart: you can always add a link to \windows\startup\ and your app will autostart, or you can play around with hklm\init, though that would be pointless.

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If you get a list of all the software you want/need, I can try and remove all the rest.
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Wow, that has been a phone dream of mine for years. What a good guy!

While comm manager is fine ... I barely made 4 hours of playback on my diamond today (an hour and a bit of A2DP action so not that bad) but I am hopeful that if more is stripped from the ROM then I may get a bit more life out of it.
@WMGuy ... I know ... would be cool
@L3v5y ... I guess a regedit app would be useful for tweaking settings etc.

WMguy said:
Wow, that has been a phone dream of mine for years. What a good guy!
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Once I've played around with my Diamond a bit more I may start a "Custom ROM" service.

s.t.s said:
While comm manager is fine ... I barely made 4 hours of playback on my diamond today (an hour and a bit of A2DP action so not that bad) but I am hopeful that if more is stripped from the ROM then I may get a bit more life out of it.
@WMGuy ... I know ... would be cool
@L3v5y ... I guess a regedit app would be useful for tweaking settings etc.
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I've got the 2.03 ROM now, and I can strip out a lot. I think removing the phone itself probably won't increase batter life much, and removing wifi may make things unstable, but removing the phone skin probably will decrease memory usage and processor load.
S2U2 auto starts anyway, and a short cut to S2P can be made relatively easily so that it autostarts.
What I've currently got on my list of "to keep" (as much of the rest as I can remove will go) is:
S2P
S2U2
S2V
Phone
WiFi
Opera
System files
Bluetooth (A2DP)
Comm manager

cheers l3v5y ... that looks like all I would ever want out of it ... I guess if it is more of an "entertainment" device ROM then sticking Teeter in would be cool too.
Thanks for your efforts and let me know if/when you have anything that you would like testing

s.t.s said:
While comm manager is fine ... I barely made 4 hours of playback on my diamond today (an hour and a bit of A2DP action so not that bad) but I am hopeful that if more is stripped from the ROM then I may get a bit more life out of it.
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Ahem, if you sit down and think about it objectively, you will get maybe 4,5h of listening time. Face the facts - to run a WM6 device you need minimum of 150-180 mAH, now translate it to the capacity of the battery (900 mAh) and in IDEAL condition you will get... exactly this, which is 4 hours give or take.
So, if you are looking for a media player, you should now think about additional cost of extra battery... So, why not do as everybody else, i.e, for nails you use hammer, for wood you use axe, and Diamond is a PDA phone, not a multimedia player (although it can be used occasionally in this mode).
Of course, it's interesting exercise (media only ROM) but that's it. Exercise. You won't get a real player out of it. Sorry. technical limitations of the Diamond design.
Unless you buy extra battery of course... and then Diamond is not so sexy anymore....

all true and fair points ... but I can personally see a benefit ... even if the battery life can't be improved upon, most of my time is at a desk where it can be charging or in the car where it can be charging. I guess I will go the way of a dedicated media player ... but I am one for always seeing the "next big thing" on the horizon and holding out for that, by which time I am hanging on for that, I am also loathe to shell out for one until my entire (90GB) music library can be held on it, happy to "shuffle" to my diamond but if I am gonna have a media player I would like it to hold all my music (and not be an iPod Classic) (akward I know ... but hey)
Cheers
Sam

Just remember that this race never can be won. That is, once a device with 90GB that you like comes out, your library will become 109BG, and what then? It's like with the PC's, phones, etc. There's always something special being prepared which is soooo much better than present designs...
Still, Diamond was not even designed as multimedia player.... hence the battery and capacity limitations (BIGGEST!! fault - lack of memory card slot).
Still - all the best!

mjaxa said:
Just remember that this race never can be won. That is, once a device with 90GB that you like comes out, your library will become 109BG, and what then? It's like with the PC's, phones, etc. There's always something special being prepared which is soooo much better than present designs...
Still, Diamond was not even designed as multimedia player.... hence the battery and capacity limitations (BIGGEST!! fault - lack of memory card slot).
Still - all the best!
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to add to that...listening to music in diamond sucks esp. with the head set that comes with phone by default...
you may like to use it once in a while but cannot be used as ipod/mp3 player replacement

How to Show off the HD

Can anyone reccommend any apps which dont necessarily serve a purpose but are just cool to have on the Touch HD? Things like the diamond hologram and the lightsaber? Thanks.
btw, im sure this has been posted many times before but in this thread we're looking for cool gadget-type apps as opposed to games or tools which are useful.:

Look for the hologram software prepared for the Diamond. It works on the HD but you cannot zoom in/out because of the lack of hardware keys.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450571

Thanks, but I kinda already mentioned the Hologram...

Sorry kinda skimmed through your post.
What about I Am Rich? Cloned from the famous iPhone app?

Also transfer some really high definition shots which are particularly in focus and sharp (|theres a difference|) and show em to people. Make sure they're bright too. The little HD screen is reall HD (high definition) in contrast to whats out there right now. Sure the Experia has the same screen resolution (480x800) but the screen is too small to actually allow one to enjoy the high resolution.

i always liked the guitar and piano tuning programe its freeware and always cool esp if your friends acan actually play and instrument. do a search its in the list of working programs

I lot of what you need is covered here in a similar thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469782&highlight=demo

Ive already got some nice pictures to show off the HD, but thanks for the idea.
The thread was kinda helpful but towards the end made me feel as if i had chosen the wrong device (touch HD over iPhone) as, at the end of the day, im the type of person who wants an entertainment device as opposed to one gears towards productivity. The Touch HDs GPU doesnt help things either...
Anyway, back on topic, any other apps? Thanks for your help so far

well u already mentioned apps like diamond saber , diamond beer .
u can try omniano , if u havent already
other windows mobile apps like g alarm or g watch made by members here look cool on the big screen .
or i contacts / sms chat
cant think of more apps but u can edit touch flo 3d use transparent clock or different themes etc. or maybe winterface ... it looks good on the hd

Any more Apps?

BeMario. Every time you jump it sounds.. bong bong

hipey said:
BeMario. Every time you jump it sounds.. bong bong
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That one was nice

I find the best way to show off the HD is to have a high resolution, high quality video, then play a bit of it to people. That gets wows! I've had mine since mid November and it still makes me go "wow" when I play videos encoded using the Encoder GUI from this forum!

That really does work better than it sounds. Thanks.
Any others?

Try MusicID - a guaranteed hit.
It used to be freely available, however there was some discussion whether it was freeware of shareware.

Music ID is awsome... I honestly dont know how I managed without it. Trying to recall half a lyric I thought I heard while I was drunk. I downloaded it a couple of weeks ago. It's still free as far as I know. Obviously it connects to the net to get the data, so if you're not on WiFi then you'll be charged by your network for data.
"quickmark" is good fun. (just mentioned it in another thread) It's a kind of barcode scanner, but only scans 2d barcodes. Still good fun, especially creating them for friends.

any others?

It's amusing to offer to save their internet connection, by setting up your WM phone as a Wifi router and allow them to use your connection.
Most amusing for iPod Touch users who don't have a data connection at all, but can use Wifi!

Pointui Home 2

Pointui Home 2 is Out.
Not testing yet, i just install it, but looks prety great!
http://www.pointui.com/

Runs and looks great, but things i dont like:
- Too much space at the buttom and
- i had to install it on the internal storage and not on the SD Card
But the rest is, as i said before, great. Good work i think.

Finally!
Looks and feels great - I think I would def upgrade to pro for unified messaging etc.
I am a happy bunny! Might just have to ditch touch flo 3d

Dont work for me Have a Swedish stock ROM.

runs great!!!

well it was running good until it locked up my device lol, soft reset time

I dont like it, something is missing

It looks really great and the animations are smooth. But it misses some features but I think they will come some time because it seems rather easy to write Apps for it. Not like Manila where you have many problems with adding your own stuff.

anyone know how to add a city?

mallman said:
anyone know how to add a city?
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http://community.pointui.com/topic/cities-and-wheather

Look here - http://community.pointui.com/topic/cities-and-wheather

beauty "skin" deep only. not impressed
configurable? look at all the trouble to add a city to the weather....
customization? not even unicode fonts
a thin layer of candy eye skin and after one touch...back to the old WM really, nothing to trade the tf3d for...uninstalled it after 15 minutes!

Raudi1 said:
http://community.pointui.com/topic/cities-and-wheather
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unfortunately none of that works. Even the folks on the forum are having problems. Looks like it isnt working correctly yet.... but it is still considered beta so ....... modding those files only makes all the weather disappear Guess I will wait on this one for a bit

KukurikU said:
beauty "skin" deep only. not impressed
configurable? look at all the trouble to add a city to the weather....
customization? not even unicode fonts
a thin layer of candy eye skin and after one touch...back to the old WM really, nothing to trade the tf3d for...uninstalled it after 15 minutes!
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yes going to have to agree here. I am open to trying out new versions, definitely has potential with some additions and things you mentioned

No Thanks
I was a massive fan of PointUI v1 and had been looking forward to v2 being another huge step forward.
However, I have to say that it looks like a great big bag of crap next to TF3d (and I'm not a big fan of TF3d). Furthermore it seems to have limited functionality, is only a plugin and although it openly states it is a beta, the tone of the feedback in this site is distinctly mixed.
I think I would forgive the bugginess if it just looked better and brought something I thought was useful. But even the screenshots on PointUI's own site look poor quality.
Lastly, the 'Pro' version is paid for software - so how much? What will it do that Mobile Shell and WAD don't? Maybe the applet development will make it a must have...but it certainly needs a few good skinners on the case...
In summary...disappointed - just my personal opinion

iain.fraser said:
I was a massive fan of PointUI v1 and had been looking forward to v2 being another huge step forward.
However, I have to say that it looks like a great big bag of crap next to TF3d (and I'm not a big fan of TF3d). Furthermore it seems to have limited functionality, is only a plugin and although it openly states it is a beta, the tone of the feedback in this site is distinctly mixed.
I think I would forgive the bugginess if it just looked better and brought something I thought was useful. But even the screenshots on PointUI's own site look poor quality.
Lastly, the 'Pro' version is paid for software - so how much? What will it do that Mobile Shell and WAD don't? Maybe the applet development will make it a must have...but it certainly needs a few good skinners on the case...
In summary...disappointed - just my personal opinion
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Agreed. Not impressed at all...I'm sticking with WAD.

mmm
Yup aggred , instaled it .. and it was not as " smoth " as the 1.X, why have small buttons?.. why have news feeds?
I have a theme now for TF3D and it kinda looks goods... staying with that for a while .. sorry point guys

I quite like it, but it seems that I'm in the minority.
I've added my home town to the weather applet without any trouble at all, also local news in the today feed. Not sure why someone was having a problem configuring that. Pilot error?

barbapappa_86 said:
Dont work for me Have a Swedish stock ROM.
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It is hardcoded. I have the same problem on my dutch device.It doesn't find the install path on localized devicesI didn't see any icon neither.
So I started it manually.

hendrixus said:
It is hardcoded. I have the same problem on my dutch device.It doesn't find the install path on localized devicesI didn't see any icon neither.
So I started it manually.
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Yup, me 2. Now its running and seems to work quite smooth. I´ll will look this up later on, now its just incomplete.

Iphone Theme

I just checked out this website...
http://www.iphonethemeforppc.com/theme.php
This theme looks pretty good to replicate the iphone.
Has anyone had any experience using this, also can anyone recommend anything better?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391936

My HTC HD Themes
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

Ok, i have read through the link thanks, but there is alot of people complaining about it for a good reason, granted. But does anyone actually have a link to all of the collaborated free software?

kevinsmbuk said:
Ok, i have read through the link thanks, but there is alot of people complaining about it for a good reason, granted. But does anyone actually have a link to all of the collaborated free software?
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You can get from here
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/ifonz.shtml

try Mallman's stuff at www.swampthing.net
I have used it and works pretty well.
it also runs on WAD2

Excellent thanks for the links guys, very helpful.
Whats the big difference in the ifonz and swampthings software?
I mean there is one sitting there for free, or there is one where I would have to spend $15 on the WAD, then $2.50 on the program?

mikeputich said:
try Mallman's stuff at www.swampthing.net
I have used it and works pretty well.
it also runs on WAD2
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Thanks or the advertising lol. As for the freeware ifonz theme, you can certainly use this but you will need to mod it just a little. There are qvga and vga versions, not Wvga. If youa re looking for the most inexpensive way to get an iphone theme this is the way to go.... you will just have to resize the icons and such. Should work fine though.
Not sure what engine this uses because all of mine use WAD2. Looks interesting though. I would say try ifonz first and if it meets yoru needs you haven't spent a dime I am going to try it as well and see what i can do with it

ok i have downloaded the vga version and installed it. See screenshot. The only real complaint I have is that it runs pretty bad. Not unusable but the motions are not fluid. I think I see the files that make it work and it seems you could probably modify these files yourself to get better quality icons. The real benefit to using this is you save the $15 on WAD2. Of course anyone who uses WAD2 would probably admit it is the best thing since sliced bread if you want to customize your interface.
However, this is free and it pretty neat. I say give it a try before you do anything else. If it completely suites your needs then you are all set guys. For the record, i think it has a lot of potential. I will be toying with it a little in the future.

As the author of WAD2, i wouldn't recommend the theme above. There is a reallly good, high-quality iPhone theme for WAD2 by a user called "Torx" in our forums. It's not VGA (at least, not the last time I checked), but it is free and a better quality than the one linked to at the top of this thread.

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As the author of WAD2, i wouldn't recommend the theme above. There is a reallly good, high-quality iPhone theme for WAD2 by a user called "Torx" in our forums. It's not VGA (at least, not the last time I checked), but it is free and a better quality than the one linked to at the top of this thread.
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agreed for the quality reasoning. I would recommend buying WAD2 for tha treason. I was only suggesting the above for the free factor. But, you get what you pay for.

Not greatly impressed with ifonz, so when i get some cash, will be buying WAD2 and the swampthing theme.

purchased!

Im very very impressed, good theme.
Just wondering how to link my own applications to each of the iphones on screen buttons?
For instance calculator, weather etc...?
does it run better with TF3d disabled?

kevinsmbuk said:
Im very very impressed, good theme.
Just wondering how to link my own applications to each of the iphones on screen buttons?
For instance calculator, weather etc...?
does it run better with TF3d disabled?
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yes it runs free and clear of TF3d, it is a total replacement for TF3D. You can change any of the links the buttons link too by tap/hold any spot on the screen that is empty. Select author mode. Now tap/hold the button you want to change and select properties. Select script. Edit the script. Enjoy You can also find this detail in the swampthing FAQ at:
http://www.swampthing.net/index.php...ginally+linked.&option=com_quickfaq&Itemid=64

particular games, apps

I've looked through search and ive looked at the list of applications on the wiki, which im sorry is terrible.
whats the point in having something called eagleeyes when no one that read that would know what it was?
anyway i'm wanting to know if there is a website like http://www.ipfun.org/ or http://www.iphone-shaq.com/ or http://www.iphonewiki.com.au/iphone-games/
they seem to show all the apps and games and what not for iphone as well as tell you about them and whats their good for or not.
i'm having great difficulty finding the programs i would like.
a good gps that works in australia
a few good games such as texas holdem
a good media player that will play my music videos and movies (coreplayer doesnt work as the picture is all jitty and jumps everywhere)
a what of making the volume button not so sensitive as i seem to press it by accident all the time.
and a good weather app that will work for my town, the ones you go to online have my town in them but the one on the htc touch hd dont have one within 200kms of me.
i'm also sorry if i offend or offended anyone i dont mean to, this site is a great website but it isnt in the slightest user friendly at all.
why cant there just be an XDA HTC TOUCH HD wiki, go in there and then its a whole website on what you need and want for the htc touch hd?
1) ROM
2) Games
3) themes
4) applications
it would be so much easier for everyone i think...
mods please remove this if this is innappropriate, im not flaming anyone in particular just voicing my opinion/questions/help.

xtrakt ...awesome game for the HD and its a MUST HAVE - Full screen too
Real Dice MC poker to solve your texas holdem cravings.. downside is that it is not full screen but everything else works fine
Resco Bubbles ......great game similar to Teeter
Archibalds Adventure works great!!!
Boom Blox too..
Pocket Uno ..... Monopoly World .... Resco Brain Games.... Virtual pool Mobile..
These are the games i tested so far and works without any problems....
Happy gaming.....watch the battery usage though

WinterKnights said:
I've looked through search and ive looked at the list of applications on the wiki, which im sorry is terrible.
whats the point in having something called eagleeyes when no one that read that would know what it was?
anyway i'm wanting to know if there is a website like http://www.ipfun.org/ or http://www.iphone-shaq.com/ or http://www.iphonewiki.com.au/iphone-games/
they seem to show all the apps and games and what not for iphone as well as tell you about them and whats their good for or not.
i'm having great difficulty finding the programs i would like.
a good gps that works in australia
a few good games such as texas holdem
a good media player that will play my music videos and movies (coreplayer doesnt work as the picture is all jitty and jumps everywhere)
a what of making the volume button not so sensitive as i seem to press it by accident all the time.
and a good weather app that will work for my town, the ones you go to online have my town in them but the one on the htc touch hd dont have one within 200kms of me.
i'm also sorry if i offend or offended anyone i dont mean to, this site is a great website but it isnt in the slightest user friendly at all.
why cant there just be an XDA HTC TOUCH HD wiki, go in there and then its a whole website on what you need and want for the htc touch hd?
1) ROM
2) Games
3) themes
4) applications
it would be so much easier for everyone i think...
mods please remove this if this is innappropriate, im not flaming anyone in particular just voicing my opinion/questions/help.
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This hasn't been done as it would take too long. List in wiki at present tells you which apps/games work. Its up to you to find out what they are.
Wiki is available for everyone to amend. If this means so much to you why not amend wiki yourself and create this improved list with descriptions of games etc
I agree that Apple help their customers better and provide information I would think was basic. Hopefully HTC will learn and hopefully improve
Would agree with previous person that Xtrakt was well worth getting on your HD, awesome game as is Need for Speed Undercover!!
Good luck on your new list!!!

Simply check my signature !
Btw, i can't make run bloombox on dutty ROM :S

well thats a good response from everyone, thankyou very much, ive never ammended wiki or posted on wiki before so ill give it a go and see what i can come up with.

ive now found a fiar few games, what about all the types of games that come on the iphone? like ifishing and the likes. there aqre a lot that use the gyrator type style to play the game. most of the games and apps ive found are real buggy and crash or arnt full screen. it seems that the iphone has better games and easier usage but the htc has more in it as its a windows device. it just seems really hard to get things to work!

just post the games, there are many developers that can fix the bugs andmake them HTC HD READY !
thaanxz to all
especially to you, WinterKnights

not too many for wvga out there yet im afraid. These are the games i have so far that work full screen 15 puzzle, all-in hold em by birdsoft, boom blox, monopoly here and now, pocketgrandmaster 4, resco bubbles, tiger woods 09 by EA sports, need for speed undercover with gsen support and touch support and xtrakt

see i like the games like resco bubbles and teeter
bubble breaker is good to still need to find a good holdem game.