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WM6 memory leaks is worse than WM5?

I just upgraded to WM6 and I installed the same applications which were installed back when I have WM5. One of them if SpB Plus, whereby I put the RAM icon (for running program) at the 1st tab.
I noticed that after running the same applications I typically used back in WM5 (messaging, Pocket Information, SpB Insight, Phone Alarm, etc.), WM6 didn't release the memory back as much as WM5.
Example (after running the above program, then closing all of them - NOT minimizing:
WM5: ~21 Mb
WM6: ~ 18 Mb
I tried this about 4 times with 2 separate 8525, one running WM5 and the other WM6.
Forgot to mention: the file that seems to keep growing after opening/closing application is filesys, checked using MemMaid.
Anyone experienced this?

Which version of WM6 are you running?

I am using LVSW Edition (2007-03-15). I haven't tried the 2007-03-20 since I get really tried re-installing different WM6 ROM and re-installing the apps over and over again. Sooo.. I am waiting to see if other have the same problem with various version of WM6 before plunging myself for another 4 hours of reinstalling everything.

lanwarrior said:
I am using LVSW Edition (2007-03-15). I haven't tried the 2007-03-20 since I get really tried re-installing different WM6 ROM and re-installing the apps over and over again. Sooo.. I am waiting to see if other have the same problem with various version of WM6 before plunging myself for another 4 hours of reinstalling everything.
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try this ROM and let me know how you go...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1180792&postcount=1

I was about to, but I held back because I want to ask if anyone, who have either the LSV or the Black WM6 ROM can tell me if they have the same issue, simply just by looking at the RAM level.
Not that I am lazy, but I have gone on installing ROM so many times it's just not fun anymore and hoping that someone can just post about the memory issue.
UPDATE: I found out that using SkTools "FreeRam" tool, I can free up the memory, but not by much (extra ~1-2 Mb).

lanwarrior said:
I was about to, but I held back because I want to ask if anyone, who have either the LSV or the Black WM6 ROM can tell me if they have the same issue, simply just by looking at the RAM level.
Not that I am lazy, but I have gone on installing ROM so many times it's just not fun anymore and hoping that someone can just post about the memory issue.
UPDATE: I found out that using SkTools "FreeRam" tool, I can free up the memory, but not by much (extra ~1-2 Mb).
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well y dont you install the ROM... and use Task Manager to see how much memory each program is using... and do bechmark tests like every hour or so if your really worried about it that much...

Read my post above: installing ROM and re-installing everything is not a 30 minutes gig. Plus, a real testing will involve normal usage, not just running 1-2 apps and watching the screen.
I merely asking for the community assistance for those who have installed the Black version or has noticed similar problem.
Why are you giving me nasty remarks? TIred of installing ROMS?

lanwarrior said:
Read my post above: installing ROM and re-installing everything is not a 30 minutes gig. Plus, a real testing will involve normal usage, not just running 1-2 apps and watching the screen.
I merely asking for the community assistance for those who have installed the Black version or has noticed similar problem.
Why are you giving me nasty remarks? TIred of installing ROMS?
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calm down... im not giving nasty remarks...
was mierly suggesting that you try it out... and leave task manager running and open the applications you are worried about to actually see if it is releasing the memory or not...
i also am sick of flashing ROMs everyday... but thats how you get to learn about different ROMs and their flaws...

I would suggest bringing this to SPB's attention as you seem to have a difference with WM5 and WM6. If this is a must app for you, then until SPB updates their software to be more friendly with the yet-to-be release crossbow OS, you should probably stick to WM5... think of all the extra time you'll have left over to do other things than install and test... especially if it's not fun for you.
Since the first WM6 ROM was made available, I've received WM6 compatible released software from SBSH, Wisbar, CE-Star (Chinese), Conduits, and CodeCity.
Here's one example:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10476
We got our hands on the ROM before developers got their hands on the SDK. He got the SDK 06MAR and identified challenges posed by the new theme. 10MAR confirmed he'll a new rendering engine for the WM6 product t WBL. 16MAR released the update. Nicely done Chris.
And many thanks to the Chef's who continue releasing build improvements that address both shortcomings of the original ROM and additions that make some of the features more convenient.
Walshieau, many thanks to you also for your many informative and helpful posts and contributions to the XDA community.
Cheers to All

aquanaut88 said:
I would suggest bringing this to SPB's attention as you seem to have a difference with WM5 and WM6. If this is a must app for you, then until SPB updates their software to be more friendly with the yet-to-be release crossbow OS, you should probably stick to WM5... think of all the extra time you'll have left over to do other things than install and test... especially if it's not fun for you.
Since the first WM6 ROM was made available, I've received WM6 compatible released software from SBSH, Wisbar, CE-Star (Chinese), Conduits, and CodeCity.
Here's one example:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10476
We got our hands on the ROM before developers got their hands on the SDK. He got the SDK 06MAR and identified challenges posed by the new theme. 10MAR confirmed he'll a new rendering engine for the WM6 product t WBL. 16MAR released the update. Nicely done Chris.
And many thanks to the Chef's who continue releasing build improvements that address both shortcomings of the original ROM and additions that make some of the features more convenient.
Walshieau, many thanks to you also for your many informative and helpful posts and contributions to the XDA community.
Cheers to All
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happy to try and help...

I don't use SPB anything, any after about a day or so, I get about 19MB free. A fresh soft reset, gives me 25MB free.

@darkjedi
If the task manager icon is present in the settings menu (go to start>settings>system(tab)>task manager) then tick the top two boxes and when you press the X button it will actually exit the program you are using. You may have many programs running in the background which you are unaware of, by soft resetting this clears the memory and the programs present are those on startup.
@lanwarrior
Version 0.2 of WMXL has a memory cache fix cab, not sure if this will work on LVSW but it is worth a shot, the memory usage improves after installing this, might be worth a shot....if all else fails perform a hard reset and then maybe flash a different WM6 ROM (Black v1.2 or WMXL 0.2??).

I'm actually using the HTC Task Manager, and am closing the apps. I'm using LVSW 3-15-07 ROM. It's working great. It's not really a complaint honestly, just a little annoyance.

I used to love SPB Pocket Plus mainly for its X Button app, Battery meter and quick launch on today screen.
I did find it used to chomp extra resources and every time I returned to the today screen there was always a second or 2 pause while the today screen plugin refreshed.
I've since switched to Batti, Scott Seligman's Launcher and the HTC Task Manager. Same functionality but way less on system resources and memory.

gurubumsmack said:
I used to love SPB Pocket Plus mainly for its X Button app, Battery meter and quick launch on today screen.
I did find it used to chomp extra resources and every time I returned to the today screen there was always a second or 2 pause while the today screen plugin refreshed.
I've since switched to Batti, Scott Seligman's Launcher and the HTC Task Manager. Same functionality but way less on system resources and memory.
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Thanks for mentioning alternates to SPB PP, which is a disaster on Black v 1.2, in my and other's experience. I am going to get them and give them a try.

I mentioned SpB plus because I use their memory meter to monitor the memory usage for the device, irrespective of the applications, SPb or not.
I am going to remove SPB Plus, but I think this is not the primary cause. I have SpB Plus running overnight with no other applications running (today's plug-in or messaging auto-connect) and the memory usage didn't change.
I think it's more of opening and closing applications, whatever they are.
Those who are using NON-SPB applications but monitor their memory using whatever you have, let us know if the memory usage decrease far more than WM5 over time when you open and close applications.

I mentioned SpB plus because I use their memory meter to monitor the memory usage for the device, irrespective of the applications, SPb or not.
I am going to remove SPB Plus, but I think this is not the primary cause. I have SpB Plus running overnight with no other applications running (today's plug-in or messaging auto-connect) and the memory usage didn't change.
I think it's more of opening and closing applications, whatever they are.
Those who are using NON-SPB applications but monitor their memory using whatever you have, let us know if the memory usage decrease far more than WM5 over time when you open and close applications.

If you want to run SPB Pocket Plus, do not try Black edition. It has compatability issue. (I personally will not try any Black Edition again unless more than 10 people confirm the issue has solved.)
I need my phone device for work, can't be beta tester all the time...(more than 15 reflash on same Black Edition. Even the creator of ROM indicate the fixed, but he hasn'y really test it.... Personally, I like Black edition the most, but....)
I am currently running LVSW late edition, very stable. I am running OS only with more space edition. Radio 1.38.0.10 seems to enhance the battery life. Maybe I am using Black Edition's black theme.

Penske MB said:
If you want to run SPB Pocket Plus, do not try Black edition. It has compatability issue. (I personally will not try any Black Edition again unless more than 10 people confirm the issue has solved.)
I need my phone device for work, can't be beta tester all the time...(more than 15 reflash on same Black Edition. Even the creator of ROM indicate the fixed, but he hasn'y really test it.... Personally, I like Black edition the most, but....)
I am currently running LVSW late edition, very stable. I am running OS only with more space edition. Radio 1.38.0.10 seems to enhance the battery life. Maybe I am using Black Edition's black theme.
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everyone has a right to post chump... but did you try the workaround and remove the Safe Mode?
if your going to bag someone's ROM... y dont u do it in the ROM's thread insdead of cluttering others???

Penske MB said:
......can't be beta tester all the time........
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Since these cooked WM6 roms available (Vanilla, WMXL, Black, LVSW, 3DES.1) are all based on early (possibly beta) versions of WM6 you WILL be beta testing them until we can get a fully stable version.
Its thanks to hard working individuals like Kyphur, walshieau, jasjamming, lvsw, olipro, pof et all ~(apologies if ive missed anyone out that REALLY should be mentioned) that these ROMs are getting more and more stable every time a new version is released, if you dont like using them then revert back to WM5. But dont go wragging on the authors just because software DESIGNED FOR WM5 doesnt work on them.
Id suggest cooking your own WM6 version as it may help you appreciate the work put into these releases....free of charge may i add.

Whats the most stable??

Hello all,
With all the awesome chef's in the kitchen it is hard to ask this question... but I will.
I would like to know what the most stable WM6 rom is, In your opinion.
I have used Black 2.0... for 2 weeks (seemed flawless)
Then I tried Tried 2.5 then LVSW, and even Custel's ROM but get random freezes, I grab the phone and its froze, missed how many calls?? I can't have this.
Something I might be doing you say, possible but I have even installed no additional apps, and only sync to exchange. I see others having some various issues with differnet roms. So this prompted me to ask the question I have.
So whats the most stable ROM?

i use black 2.5 with his new memory.cab and works great no problems. what programs are you using b/c it may be related to them. maybe use sktools to delete some unneccesary programs from starting on boot and go from there.

Black 1.2 with a weeks+ of working it to perfection. No need to flash anything else for me until WM7 comes out. lol

Coming back to a froze device sounds like you have the sd card lockups, and not rom related, but if you dont have a card installed, dismiss my post.

I was using Black 2.5, I have a lot of freezes in particular when I activeSync and I do activeSync A LOT, (freeze about every 3rd time I activeSync). A few miss call, and call which I have no audio.
I switch to LVSW 4/23 (FULL version), currently with the same applications installed on Black 2.5, my phone seems to be running well, no freezes yet for half a day already. (ActiveSync more than 10 times already)
I am not saying there is any problem with Black 2.5 rom. A lot of people are very happy with Black 2.5. What I am simply saying is that with the set of applications that I need (a few of them are beta apps), LVSW seems more compatibility than Black.
P.S. Using PhoneAlarm, PocketInformat, CEStar, ISilo, Cyberon Voic Speed Dial, and SplashID

I've had no freezing issues, only app I install is im+

I am running Black 2.5 and I too am having similar ActiveSync problems. And it freezes every third time as well. Strange....
noop said:
I was using Black 2.5, I have a lot of freezes in particular when I activeSync and I do activeSync A LOT, (freeze about every 3rd time I activeSync). A few miss call, and call which I have no audio.
I switch to LVSW 4/23 (FULL version), currently with the same applications installed on Black 2.5, my phone seems to be running well, no freezes yet for half a day already. (ActiveSync more than 10 times already)
I am not saying there is any problem with Black 2.5 rom. A lot of people are very happy with Black 2.5. What I am simply saying is that with the set of applications that I need (a few of them are beta apps), LVSW seems more compatibility than Black.
P.S. Using PhoneAlarm, PocketInformat, CEStar, ISilo, Cyberon Voic Speed Dial, and SplashID
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Previously I was using Black 2.0 and never had one freeze. But since I upgraded to 2.5 I get random freezes like couple times a day, I suspect this could be due to the new OS build? Once I have time I would probably reflash it back to 2.0 cuz it's rock stable for me.

Black 2.5 is working sweet as for me.
Couple of freezes with LVSW and XDA Live, but nothing major, i had freezes with the OEM rom, its just what phones and computers seem to do these days!!
I;ll stay Black, but at the end of the day, use the rom, which you think you will get the best community support, has the best community friendliness and if you ever do have troubles, you shouldnt be troubles trying to fix them!

keep in mind that these ROMs are essentially beta (even if based upon the "final" WM6). they do not undergo the rigorous testing that a carrier would provide.
if you are unwilling to deal with this (and RTFW for answers), then you might be better sticking with the factory shipping WM5 roms...

I like Custel's rom, support is there, and rom is quick n smooth

LVSW 4/23
The full version of LVSW 4/23 is the most stable so far for me. This is the first of the WM6 ROMS I can open and run Netfront, Newsbreak, Pocket IE, Messaging, Camera, Resco Explorer, get a phone call at the same time and still have no freezing. I did a little tweaking to it, but out of the gate it is just fine. All I really needed to install in the Keyboard fix and the Cingular settings.

noop, the reason you freeze alot or crashes alot is becoz of CE-Star..all i know is LVSW does not have the problem, but all other rom does...
Don't use the one from WM5, i remember there is a lite version on this fourm (topic x01ht showing chinese or sth)
Why i know, coz i just install ce-star on black, it will never work..it will crash almost anything...The guy who made the lite has a re-edit version of Ce-star for crossbow, that you have to try your own..since all i need is viewing~

They are all good!
4bc said:
...but at the end of the day, use the rom, which you think you will get the best community support, has the best community friendliness...
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We are all one big happy community here at XDA Developers!
For me with the earlier round of ROMS LVSW 4/23 worked the best. Zero problems. Haven't finished trying out the latest batch yet so I can't say. The bottom line is that with these ROMS you really do have to try them all and make your decision on which one best meets your needs when coupled with the software that you use.
All of these cooks are turning out some nice ROMs, the problems are more frequently caused by programs that are not yet certified for WM6 and the cooks, of course, have no control over this.

I would also suggest not to use any program to clean your OS, e.g. memory maid as it seems become unstable for all rom after cleaning the system with this kind of software.

Hi all,
Thanks for all your responses. I agree support from this forum family is awesome. I also agree with trying several roms to find the one that best fits my needs (but I don't yet know what they are, I just moved from a treo 650, and prior was a treo 600)
I am on LVSW now, I will try it for a bit and see how it goes. I do like Custels as well... Hmmm decisions, decisions. lol
Well thanks again for your responses and thant you Chefs for all your diligent work. You're the Kings in my book.

Comparison Page???
Would it be posible for the creators of the roms to tell us ALL of the bells and whistles that each of them has on it, and someone could compile a chart or page to compare them all? Obviously, the Voice Dial function is important to me, and I dig the Space Invaders, but there is so much more. I would be glad to do it if I could get the info on each with which to begin. As for Stability; is there a way to do a survey that would allow us to rate them according to the opinion of the users here regarding speed of boot/reset and stability and whatever anyone else can think of?
I recently moved to the Dutty Premier Windows Mobile 6 - Full Edition - Version 1 and So far I am very happy with it. And it appears to have all the tools and toys I want and need . . . so far.
Thanks,

If one doesn't already exist, someone please set up a wiki page for comparisons and we'll sticky it.
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vijay555 said:
If one doesn't already exist, someone please set up a wiki page for comparisons and we'll sticky it.
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This is the best there is at the moment.
Not my work just bringing it to your attn
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Cooked_ROMs
(bottom of page)

Custel Cingular 1.2
The only WM6 ROM I have upgraded to is Custel's Cingular 1.2. It was a problem free upgrade and I have not experienced a single freeze and the only soft resets I have done were those required to install other applications. Unless someone, including HTC or Cingular, comes out with a version that adds features that I can't live without (and are not added to these cooked ROM's on this forum as CABs), I will be happy to stay with my current version.

SPB Mobile Shell 1.5 Released

I didn't see this posted anywhere here in the WM 6 forum, so I thought I would as the new version, 1.5, now supports WM 6. For anyone interested, here is the link:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/mobileshell/?en
They made some nice changes and the new Professional Now screen is pretty cool.

yeah pretty cool...tryin it out on LVSW's 6/16...no problems so far

running smooth on schaps 3.30c

The last time I used any spb software, it drained my battery real fast.
Any such problem with the new verson?

this version of mobile shell is no different from the last one.. not worth it..

Madcap180 said:
this version of mobile shell is no different from the last one.. not worth it..
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This version of Spb Mobile Shell v1.5 Final (Build 2894) compared to the last one is worth it for me as the phone ringing unable to answear freeze ups are gone. Battery is fine and i have tested all the shell's to date!

DAFTEK said:
This version of Spb Mobile Shell v1.5 Final (Build 2894) compared to the last one is worth it for me as the phone ringing unable to answear freeze ups are gone. Battery is fine and i have tested all the shell's to date!
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unfortunately it still is a RAM hog... of almost 1MB...

Exatcly my point Walshieau .. plus I'm more of a WAD guy anyway, so I have no need for Today plugins unless I run them on virtual pages.. which really chews up memory .. lol

We still have plenty of free memory so whats the point, i don't see anything slower using it and personally i got used to it and its very handy for me

I have to say I really like this app and don't mind the 1 meg it uses ( I have plenty to spare!) It's just a great productivity tool for my phone and it has a lot of improvements over version 1.0 not just the bug eradication!

Caused my trinity to lock up after being left for a while (WM5).
Went back to my v1.0 and all is ok.
Can't understand why they don't allow more photo dials on the photo dial tab. ie two rows of photos

i don't understand why there aren't choices for any app in the mobile shell today row....
OR..
why their aren't ANY 'home' app choices (there are 8 or so chosen for you.
........unless of course i'm missng something...again!

home screen u can choose your apps. press n hold those u dont want and remove, more options will appear. press and hold, choose pin for those u want 2 keep.
those that appear are those recently used. if u want an app to appear, use it, close it, then choose it and pin it.
will download new version n c how it goes.

thank you Simon!

frigit said:
Caused my trinity to lock up after being left for a while (WM5).
Went back to my v1.0 and all is ok.
Can't understand why they don't allow more photo dials on the photo dial tab. ie two rows of photos
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Probably due to the lock up you didn't have enough time to play with it... they do now allow you to add another 2 dial tabs so you can have 15 photo dials instead of the old 5 in v1.0

thanx for the info, I used this app for a while. new version installed, but till now I did not find any difference... and I had no problem on WM5 and 6 versions. it is stable, and fast.

Unistalling...
Hi all.
I've tested the app, and works fine for me, but i have one issue...i unistall it, and now when a press on/off button and then press again after a while to get the PDA on, i get the screen locked, and i must unlock...
can someone say me how to disable this? how to disable the lock when off/on...
Thanks.

thier both cool
I run the old version, its absolutely cool and work very well on my herms wm6. I must admits the old version is almost the same to the new 1.5version.
Im surprised mobile shell could not pin point the difference between both versions, Im sure it will generate some selling points ,won’t it?? Blind guys like me agree that the two versions are pretty much the same.

SPB Menu just became perfect! (nearly) - you can fully customise the menus now! Have fun

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Probably due to the lock up you didn't have enough time to play with it... they do now allow you to add another 2 dial tabs so you can have 15 photo dials instead of the old 5 in v1.0
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I did play with the program alot. V1.5 has some improvements but having the extra dial tabs makes the program more difficult to use with your finger as I already have 5 tabs. I would still prefer the one dial tab with two/three rows of photo contacts.
Don't get me wrong, this is a great program.

TouchFlo & Manila2d and screen going white questions

Hi All,
First of all BRILLIANT website ... keep the good work up guys ... please bear with me with a few question that i have no idea about. Thought i'd put this all in one thread rather than 4 different ones:
1) Does it actually matter which cab file (i don't know what you call it ExtRom? please let me know what exactly you call it so it's easier for me to search for in the future) to use with which version of OS? Currently i'm on WM6.5 Build 23004 WWE R7.1 and i think i downloaded some can file from WM6.1 or something
2) Where can i find TouchFlo for WM6.5 Build 23004 WWE R7.1?
3) I installed the HTC Manila2d on my XDA iis but can not seem to find it any where, do i need to install something else besides this to be able to view the application
4) Most of the time when the backlight goes off on my XDA IIs, i press the power button to bring the screen back up only to find that the screen has gone white and then i have to reset my XDA a couple of times ... to get it working i have to make sure that i'm constantly working on some app for a good few minutes before i leave the screen light to go off
Would appreciate if you can help me with this. Many thanks in advance.

1. yes it most certainly does. if you had upgraded to wm6.1 and tried an extrom of wm6.5 you would probably be disappointed that some of the programs like internet explorer, office or wm6.5 specific stuff wouldn't work. the extrom is a bunch of cabs to install certain programs after a hard reset. that's why you should have a look inside the extrom and maybe google some of the cab names and decide, whether you relly need them or not. for example, if you never use java, mss, or pdf documents, leave jbed, arcsoft and adobe reader out of the extrom and save a lot of space on your device. in general, the rom chef gives a link to the extrom, fitting the rom best, but i think the last official extrom, released by a chef was with xplode's 21202. that is the one you want to take for the newest internet explorer and office and other useful stuff.
2. what? touchflo in general means... nothing. there are 3 aspects of touchflo: touchflo3d (=Manila2d), touchflo cube and sometimes touchflo is also referred to, when it comes to finger friendlyness and touch scrolling.
to be short, the touch scrolling is always on in wm6.5 and it is also quite finger friendly. about the rest... forget it.
3. you know, manila 2d is sooo 2008
manila2d is, as you might know, opticly comparable to an animated version of htc home with a bunch of extra features, and also, like htc home (or the above mentioned touchflo cube) it is improving the today screen of wm6 and wm6.1 devices. it might also work on wm6.5, but for that to be even remotely possible, you have to lose the titanium home (default today screen plugin of wm6.5, with the sliding and all...) so go to start->settings->today->items and unselect windows default and then manila might work for you, which still begs the question:
why would you want manila when you can have titanium?
manila is slow & outdated (if you ever even get it to work, most versions won't do on the BA), while titanium is new, modern, highly customizable, hip, trendy and most important of all, works extremely fast on the BA.
4. ok, assuming that you already checked the backlight and power settings, that leaves a few other things to check:
- does it also do the white screen, if you press the power button in the first place, to switch it off and then turn back on?
- did you do anything in the upgrade process differing from "the book"?
- did you try a hard reset? if you just upgraded, you have nothing to lose?
even more stuff would come to mind, but first post back if any of the things are done so far.
greetz
Chef_Tony

Hi Chef Tony, mate honestly i really do appreciate taking your time and explaining this what was once all french to me. Ok i totally get the idea of ExtRoms and Cab file. So assuming that if i use one of the 6.1 cab files on a 6.5 it should work correct?
Apparently i downloaded Manila2D from this forum, installed it but that didn't work ... i went to start->settings->today->items and unselect windows default and but it comes up as blank screen (home screen) and also i could see TouchFlo as an option and when i select that it takes me back to the home screen saying "Tap here to activate TouchFlo", no matter how many times i tap, nothing happens. So correct me when i say this, this TouchFlo which was showing up on the options is actually a Manila2D app right? I saw a video last night on youtube which said TouchFlo on XDAiis (sorry but can't find the exact link to it) and it looked something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJFBifvgSgA i mean the interface and the screen tapping.
As far as the screen is concerned, it never used to do this but since i've upgraded to 6.5 it has started to. I followed the exact same process what the book said because i'm the sort of a person who follows the book and nothing besides that ... besides i've hard rest it as well but that still did not help. Ok here's what happens (i think), when the device is battery powered, it will white screen when the device is not used for a few minutes (sleep mode or whatever you may call it) but it does not happen when it's on external power because it's always on any way.

in general an extrom from wm6.1 would work on wm6.5 flawlessly. but as mentioned before, the versions of the internet explorer and office changed dramatically. you should include the newer cabs there.
this tap here to activate touchflo is exactly the manila, and normally it should start up then, but as mentioned before, there is no guarantee, every version would work with the BA, but i had a version once, that worked in general, it was just a little slow and some features wouldn't work, which is perfectly normal. you should have a look at this thread and maybe try the versions given there: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340932&highlight=iolite
also you'll find other neat stuff there.
if you really want manila as your GUI, maybe you should try a nice wm6 or wm6.1 rom, because manila is really sucking cpu and ram, and with most wm6.5 roms those resources are optimized for titanium and even with titanium switched off, they just consume more hardware than wm6.1 for instance. it will run better then.
but your last sentence there is confusing me. what exactly do you mean, when you say white screen? is it actually showing all white, with backlight, or is it more like the display is off, a pale grey without backlight? if it is the first option, it seems there is actually a tiny problem there, could be together with manila, back in the day, when i ran it, i experienced sort of a third boot splash screen with manila installed and the device would take forever to boot up, soft resets were a major buzzkill then.
if it is the 2nd option, then it is perfectly normal and you can go to start->settings->system->power and set the device to never switch off on battery power, but instead just switch off the backlight.
last but not least (ok, i should have written this above): the video you posted!
the first 48 seconds don't show any manila stuff, that is called s2u2, slide 2 unlock a keylock app, you can download for free, from another forum member here, called A_C, on his site here: http://s2u2.ac-s2.com/ (all credit to A_C)
i wouldn't exactly count on the photo and video function to work on a BA either, as shown about 1:20
at 1:50 the youtube app is not part of manila either, but you can download something like that here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385227 or the official one here: http://help.youtube.com/support/youtube/bin/topic.py?hl=en&topic=20991
i really wonder what the last app was, he showed, since i don't have sound at the moment, i can't tell whether he mentions it maybe, but probably doesn't matter anyway, because you are not looking for a paint clone, but for a nice GUI
hope this could bring you a little bit further in getting your device customized. let me know, whether everything worked out as planned.
Chef_Tony

Hi Chef Tony,
Trying Titanium on Xplode's v7.1 but cannot get my normal Today plugins selected - Pocket Breeze, Device lock, Comms, and a Programme Bar.
Is there an easy way to do this? (In M2D customisation you can set the Today page plugins...)
Thanks.

the titanium blocks everything else.
when you go to start->settings->today->items you see, by default, there is a list of a lot of plugins, but the only one that is checked is the titanium home, there called "Windows Default" for instance date and time is unchecked, which does not mean, you don't see the time in your today screen as a clock is also part of titanium. if you decide to work with m2d or other normal today plugins, you need to uncheck Windows default and then you will have access to the old today screen with the static, yet small, list of items. and then you have the opportunity to use all your today plugins. if you want to use titanium home and have plugins for that look for "titanium plugins" or "chome plugins".
and the plugins of titanium can be monitored, sorted and (de-)activated in "titanizer"
all those things in " " can be found in the forum, just have a look in development & hacking section or use the forum search

Asus Mypal A6x6 WM6.5.5 rom version 5 (10-5-10)

WARNING: This is a release of Windows Mobile 6.5.5. Due to changes to os code, SOME older programs WILL NOT WORK. By this, I mean that an older program may execute as normal, but some of the menu options might not work due to the start button being moved to the bottom of the screen instead of the top like it was with WM6.5 and older. As far as I know, this is an os thing, so I CANNOT change this.
It's been pretty hectic over the past few weeks with college (and the various tests, quizzes, and computer science projects), and trying to get rom building done. I am sorry that I did not deliver the monthly rom update on time. To make up for that, I will be releasing 2 roms this month (one now and one at the end of the month). This one happens to be a rom with the new interface for WM6.5 (same warning for old programs as my WM6.5.3 rom). For those of you waiting on international version roms with WM6.5(.3), I apologize. I haven't had much time for rom building lately. However, international roms are coming soon (I can promise you that).
Thanks to Makuu (for helping to get me started), Lenny, AstainHellbring (thank you for all the nightly help sessions), the creators of the tools I used to make this rom, and anyone else that I failed to mention in name who gave me the knowledge to complete this rom.
Asus Mypal A6x6 WM6.5.5 version 5
Windows CE version 5.2.25027 (Build 25027.5.0.94)
This was tested on an Asus Mypal A626 (and works). It should work with the A686/A696, but the other models were not tested. Any other models NOT mentioned above WILL NOT WORK.
Updates
1. new Windows Mobile interface
3. os build
4. bug fixes
Additions (since last release)
1. none
Removals (since last release)
1. none
download: http://www.easy-share.com/1912537593/Asus_A6x6_WM655_5.rar
At this time, this will be the only download link. Mirrors will be created in the future (after I give permission).
Instructions (I have included a txt file with same instructions for offline convenience)
Before you do anything, make sure you have at least a 256mb SD card and a card reader (you can get one at a place like Radio Shack or Office Depot). You also need to install winrar (found at http://www.win-rar.com/download.html). Your SD card must be formatted with the FAT16 file system.
To format your SD Card with the FAT16 file system
Step 1: To do this insert the SD Card into the reader and go to "My Computer".
Step 1a: BACKUP YOUR FILES before you start!!
Step 2: Right-click the drive letter of the SD Card reader (differs for each computer, probably either E:\ or F:\ or G:\) and click "Format".
Step 2a: Don't worry about any of the options except for file system, choose "FAT"
Step 3: Click "Start" and wait until it is done
Step 1: Get (OS) rom image
Step 2: Extract files to any folder on hard drive using Winrar
Step 3: Go to the folder where you extracted the files in the RAR archive
Step 4: Make sure that the filename is "CANNES_A_WM6.img"
Step 4a: if the img file it's not exactly "CANNES_A_WM6.img", rename it to that
Step 5: Format the SD card if you haven't already done so using the instructions above
Step 6: Copy the img file to the SD card, see step 6a
Step 6a: Make sure that the img file is the ONLY file on the SD card after formatting
Step 7: Take SD Card out of SD Card reader and put it in the a6x6
Step 8: Make sure that the a6x6 is plugged in via ac adapter before doing the next few steps
Step 9: activate SD Loader using the following instructions {
Step 9a: Hold down the power button and enter button (that's the button in the center of the d-pad)
Step 9b: Double tap the soft reset button while holding the other 2 buttons
Step 9c: After double tapping the soft reset button, keep the other 2 buttons held until a blue screen comes up that says something like Asus Cannes flashing utility
Step 9d: Wait until the process is finished (it's near the end when it says "writing private")
}
Step 10: At this point, your a6x6 should reboot on its own
Step 11: enjoy your updated rom
If you have any questions, feel free to just post or PM me.
As I release new roms, if you have a support question, please give me the rom version so I know what rom you are working with. You can get the rom version from the filename of the rom pack.
Example: Asus_A626_WM614_1
A626 = device (most often it will be A626, will rarely be different), WM614 = os version, 1 = release #

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Thanks Steven,
This ROM is great, but because the interface changes in windows 6.5.5 some applications is not alligned well (ex. Settings->Power). And consumes lot of memory (after clean boot we only have ~27M free RAM. So, I'm waiting for standard WM 6.5 ROM with messaging working.

Is messaging not working for you? As for the interface stuff, it's probably because Microsoft designed it that way. For the free ram, I had no idea that you only have ~27mb free (somehow, it worked out better for me). This weekend, I will have some time to look into the ram issue since I'm off for a few days from college on fall break. Is the free ram reading you have right after a hard reset??

For those of you looking for linux updates, I have none due to a graphics bug that has been forever plaguing the A6x6, the issue of it being a landscape device. What happens is the system boots up in what is landscape mode in real life, but the system thinks it's in portrait mode. This has been driving me crazy, but I won't have time for a while to fix it.

Steven855 said:
Is messaging not working for you? As for the interface stuff, it's probably because Microsoft designed it that way. For the free ram, I had no idea that you only have ~27mb free (somehow, it worked out better for me). This weekend, I will have some time to look into the ram issue since I'm off for a few days from college on fall break. Is the free ram reading you have right after a hard reset??
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Hi, Steven
Messaging is working in v5 and is working now in v4 too after reflash. The interface issue is not your problem, to be well aligned or you must rewrite the Asus applications, or the Asus must release ROM with WM 6.5.5. So I'm glad to see an WM 6.5.5 on my A696 but I think WM6.5 is more usable in A696.
The free RAM is right after hard reset, but I have some programs installed witch starts on boot (Spb PocketPlus).

imre00 said:
Hi, Steven
Messaging is working in v5 and is working now in v4 too after reflash. The interface issue is not your problem, to be well aligned or you must rewrite the Asus applications, or the Asus must release ROM with WM 6.5.5. So I'm glad to see an WM 6.5.5 on my A696 but I think WM6.5 is more usable in A696.
The free RAM is right after hard reset, but I have some programs installed witch starts on boot (Spb PocketPlus).
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Fat chance that Asus will make a WM6.5.5 rom if they didn't even make a WM6.1 rom for the A6x6 (I asked Asus once if they would make even a TEST WM6.5 rom with no liability for damages, but Asus was stingy about it). However, I do agree with you that WM6.5 is much more usable on the A6x6 then Wm6.5.5 is (I would even make the case that WM6.1 somewhat outdoes WM6.5 on the A6x6 too). I can't really rewrite the OEM programs since Asus releases no source code.

Correct, all of your work is excellent and without source you can't do anything.

imre00 said:
Correct, all of your work is excellent and without source you can't do anything.
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Yep, and without hardware information for the A6x6, Linux progress is much, much slower.

Steven855 said:
Fat chance that Asus will make a WM6.5.5 rom if they didn't even make a WM6.1 rom for the A6x6 (I asked Asus once if they would make even a TEST WM6.5 rom with no liability for damages, but Asus was stingy about it). However, I do agree with you that WM6.5 is much more usable on the A6x6 then Wm6.5.5 is (I would even make the case that WM6.1 somewhat outdoes WM6.5 on the A6x6 too). I can't really rewrite the OEM programs since Asus releases no source code.
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Interesting - I'm looking at upgrading my A696 for the first time - I posted asking for a new A696 ROM over a year ago (possibly under my other account, pdamouse) and I'm very glad it happened . The WM6 it has on it is extremely slow and unreliable and the device itself tends to shut down randomly as of late - especially when using iGo8 but also if I just leave it on the Today screen - it could be hardware but maybe the software fix will fix it. I had it in for service once when it was still under warranty because it stopped charging or otherwise accessing battery power properly.
What would you recommend I install as a first upgrade? I have WM6.5.3 on my Xperia X1 and was thinking I would install WM6.5.5 on my A696 now - but it sounds like WM6.5 v4 of this software is much more usable anyway? So many options - you're recommendation would be great - thanks
Peter
P.S. Thanks very much for all the work you've done on this, I really appreciate it - noticed your sig, will give something when I get this working

pjpeter said:
Interesting - I'm looking at upgrading my A696 for the first time - I posted asking for a new A696 ROM over a year ago (possibly under my other account, pdamouse) and I'm very glad it happened . The WM6 it has on it is extremely slow and unreliable and the device itself tends to shut down randomly as of late - especially when using iGo8 but also if I just leave it on the Today screen - it could be hardware but maybe the software fix will fix it. I had it in for service once when it was still under warranty because it stopped charging or otherwise accessing battery power properly.
What would you recommend I install as a first upgrade? I have WM6.5.3 on my Xperia X1 and was thinking I would install WM6.5.5 on my A696 now - but it sounds like WM6.5 v4 of this software is much more usable anyway? So many options - you're recommendation would be great - thanks
Peter
P.S. Thanks very much for all the work you've done on this, I really appreciate it - noticed your sig, will give something when I get this working
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Maybe a few questions will help you decide. Do you like the old WM6/6.1 interface and like using a stylus? If so, try my latest WM6.1 rom. Do you like the WM6.5 interface, but want compatibility with older programs? If so, try my latest WM6.5 rom (which is a mix between using stylus and using fingers). Do you like using your fingers instead of a stylus? If so, then go ahead and try the WM6.5.5 rom.

I've got tons of time to wait now, got the SD Card prepped and everything - but the download site doesn't seem to like me, I went through the hoops four times and it's asked me to wait over 20 minutes once, while not giving me the file at any point. At the end I got to the download page and it was just blank and after waiting awhile, nothing ever happened.
Update: Five time's the charm - downloading v4 now.
Interesting, thanks for your reply Steve - I'm trying to figure out how 6.5.5 would make apps that use the stylus not work (Update: I found your note from 6.5.3: "WARNING: This is a release of Windows Mobile 6.5.3. Due to changes to os code, SOME older programs WILL NOT WORK. By this, I mean that an older program may execute as normal, but some of the menu options might not work due to the start button being moved to the bottom of the screen instead of the top like it was with WM6.5 and older. As far as I know, this is an os thing, so I CANNOT change this." - I guess that's how...) - but I'm thinking 6.5 might be my best bet now. I guess I'll have to do more research - I prefer doing all the simple things with my fingers, but if I need to type for example, I like the ability to do things simply with the stylus without needing to switch to number mode on the keyboard, for example.
Thanks for your quick reply
Peter

I've decided to try 6.5.5 first . Unfortunately that means I need to redownload - but only 20 mins or so till it lets me and hopefully the download sys will work properly this time...
I decided based on screenshots of 6.5.5 on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile. Based on that, it looks like 6.5.5 is the same general interface as 6.5.3 which I've been using on my Xperia X1 for the past 3+ months and which I've come to like. I like that I can use my fingers in general - yes it doesn't look quite as good, and maybe the Xperia's 800x480 3" screen has made it so I don't see the larger bar as such a loss - but I've been getting more and more annoyed with the A696's raised screen edge border, especially at the top right hand corner when in portrait mode - on my unit at least, it makes it quite difficult to get at the X with anything but the stylus and I like to be able to use my PDA sometimes without it, especially to just do really simple things like that.
Thank you for your feedback Steven - hoping to try this out this afternoon and will let you know my RAM info as well
Peter

Thanks for reminding me to repost the warning message (with this rom).

pjpeter said:
The WM6 it has on it is extremely slow and unreliable and the device itself tends to shut down randomly as of late - especially when using iGo8 but also if I just leave it on the Today screen - it could be hardware but maybe the software fix will fix it. I had it in for service once when it was still under warranty because it stopped charging or otherwise accessing battery power properly.
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Hi Peter,
I think I have the same device. Scary, but it has been in the car hidden away as a GPS backup solution in case my touch HD fails and I am abroad.
What I've read a couple of times is that what you describe is a bad contact between the batt and the device. Some people solved it by using paper to get the batt to have a better contact with the device. Worth looking into I think.
I still have WM5 on it so I better get it out of the car and spend hours of joy

lukesan said:
Hi Peter,
I think I have the same device. Scary, but it has been in the car hidden away as a GPS backup solution in case my touch HD fails and I am abroad.
What I've read a couple of times is that what you describe is a bad contact between the batt and the device. Some people solved it by using paper to get the batt to have a better contact with the device. Worth looking into I think.
I still have WM5 on it so I better get it out of the car and spend hours of joy
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If you want to try my roms, you have to upgrade to the latest (WM6) stock rom in order of release, and then if you want to go back to WM5, I have a backup rom available.

Download and flashed. Seems to be working fine for what I use it for.
Thanks for the update!

It works much better than WM6 that's for sure! Much smoother and faster, I quite enjoy it
I like the new way it works, much easier to use my fingers, and I haven't seen any apps yet that I use being obscured by the thicker bar in such a way that functionality (or even aesthetics) are compromised.
Without installing anything, after a couple of soft resets I now have 29.62mb free RAM on boot. I got one Out of Memory error on iGo8, I will try to tweak the settings and see if I can get it to run smoothly. I'd be curious to know how much free RAM 6.5.3 has on boot, but I'm pretty sure I'll stick with this one if i can get that app to work without a problem - I use it to do tracklogs of my bike commute and it'd be nice to get it working consistently.
Thanks very much for all your work ,
Peter
lukesan said:
Hi Peter,
I think I have the same device. Scary, but it has been in the car hidden away as a GPS backup solution in case my touch HD fails and I am abroad.
What I've read a couple of times is that what you describe is a bad contact between the batt and the device. Some people solved it by using paper to get the batt to have a better contact with the device. Worth looking into I think./QUOTE]
Thanks for that info lukesan - I will look into it indeed - it hasn't happened yet with the new firmware, but it could be it - there is a sensor on the battery door that turns off the device if it's opened, but I suspect it's not working consistently - perhaps this will fix that and keep the contacts tight. They would just put paper between the cover and the battery? If you have a link talking about it in english that'd be great - thanks
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Hi Steven, thx very much for the warning. Luckily I was too tired yesterday to even type so I decided to charge it fully and do the upgrade a couple of days later.
Peter.
I have a A636 but I can imagine this might apply to your, all of our model, too
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx...N&id=20100126144716015&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
On another point. I just checked my A636 outside and I have a hard time reading the display in the sun at max setting while my touch HD is alot better.
Is the display going darker? Any problems on that part on your end guys?

lukesan said:
Hi Steven, thx very much for the warning. Luckily I was too tired yesterday to even type so I decided to charge it fully and do the upgrade a couple of days later.
Peter.
I have a A636 but I can imagine this might apply to your, all of our model, too
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx...N&id=20100126144716015&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
On another point. I just checked my A636 outside and I have a hard time reading the display in the sun at max setting while my touch HD is alot better.
Is the display going darker? Any problems on that part on your end guys?
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I'm not exactly sure about the screen, but I think it might be because of the screen type. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Touch HD seems to have more of a glass-like screen, while the A6x6 (and A636) seem to have more of a plastic-like screen.