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RollR Discussion

I'm starting to get used to this new trackball (RollR), but it is definitely different than normal cursor pads on most devices.
It's OK outside of gameplay. I tried the new Raging Thunder racing game on my P3300, and while it plays just fine performance-wise, the RollR ball is much too sensitive to be used for this game.
I also find it a bit more difficult to scroll in PIE with the new trackball and outside clockwise/counterclockwise scroller.
How does everyone else feel about this new feature?

I feel like I could get used to it, but you dont need to use the mouse all the time. Does anyone know of a way to attach the mouse toggle program to a hardware button.

for me at the beggining the feel was not very good but when i used to it i think now is a very good suprise.i can do all the works just in one hand very easy even serfing internet
another thing that is excellent for me is the wifi connecting distance.now i can go also to my second floor of my apartment and have internet connection
without a problem and this is something i could not do with my qtek 9000
so far i,m very happy for the device.
*my english is not very good hope you understand me

neptune said:
I feel like I could get used to it, but you dont need to use the mouse all the time. Does anyone know of a way to attach the mouse toggle program to a hardware button.
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Copy the file \Windows\MouseMode.exe and paste a shortcut in the \Windows\Start Menu\Programs. Then go to Start - Settings - Buttons and set it on a hardware button

I'm definitely getting used to it after almost a week. Game playing is still a challenge with the sensitivity of this ball compared to a regular pad, though.

mindk33p3r said:
Copy the file \Windows\MouseMode.exe and paste a shortcut in the \Windows\Start Menu\Programs. Then go to Start - Settings - Buttons and set it on a hardware button
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Thanks for the suggestion, but is there any way to skip that screen where you have to make an extra click. Its no so much a deal when activating the mouse, only when trying to turn it off.

What do you guys think of the scroll ring, or whatever the chrome part is called?
I really like using it to scroll through all of the messages in my inbox, or when browsing web pages, but it doesn't always work as expected. Some times it scrolls smoothly, and other times it jumps to the next link. Anybody figured this out?

If you go into HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCCPL\Applet8 you can change the value of CmdLine to SETMOUSEMODE and the icon in the cpl will start and stop with one press.

mixmaven said:
If you go into HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCCPL\Applet8 you can change the value of CmdLine to SETMOUSEMODE and the icon in the cpl will start and stop with one press.
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great my friend thanks a lot for that.....
now can you tell me how can we change the size of the cursor and put a smaller one?

To Dinario
I'am using it for 2 days and I agree with you. I don't find the wheel very useful and in fact I only use track ball with is more convenient with its 4 directions.
According to me, the wheel is only design for big jumps, and the trackball is more efficient for small jumps. But maybe in a few days we will take full control of this alien

mixmaven said:
If you go into HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCCPL\Applet8 you can change the value of CmdLine to SETMOUSEMODE and the icon in the cpl will start and stop with one press.
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I did that instead :
- I Created a shortcut "mousemode.lnk" into \windows\start\programs (for my french one it is "\windows\menu demarrer\programmes")
- I edited the shortcut mousemode.lnk as below : "\windows\mousemode.exe" SETMOUSEMODE
Now, I can quickly activate/deactivate the mouse mode by cliking the icon, and I still can edit the mouse settings in the control panel.

I can activate it with one click of the icon, but how do i do the same by clicking a hardware button. I've went into settings/buttons and assigned a key, but when i press it only takes you to the config page where you have check enable.
Has anyone any ideas please?
Thanks,
BPP

I hate exactly the same problem, if someone can help. Thanks

Big Purple Penguin said:
I can activate it with one click of the icon, but how do i do the same by clicking a hardware button. I've went into settings/buttons and assigned a key, but when i press it only takes you to the config page where you have check enable.
Has anyone any ideas please?
Thanks,
BPP
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You must write inside the register
HKLM-software-microsoft-shell-keys
i.e. 40c1 then ab(default)
["\Windows\MouseMode.exe" SETMOUSEMODE] without the []

What registry program is used to do this?
mixmaven said:
If you go into HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCCPL\Applet8 you can change the value of CmdLine to SETMOUSEMODE and the icon in the cpl will start and stop with one press.
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What registry program is used to do this?

str8upn2 said:
What registry program is used to do this?
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resco explorer
resco registry

Anyone knows how i can set rollr sensibility in "d-pad mode"?

does anybody know how to disable rollr on HTC P3300 by registry trick? I have some problems with it - sometimes it becomes mad and starts to scrolling the screen even when I am not touching it. It is absolutely impossible for me. Any help appreciated.

I thought I should share how I make use of the ring and the ball.
The wheel basically moves the highlighting position up and down on the screen (there is no left and right movement). When the mouse cursor is enabled, pressing the ball will mean pressing the location where the mouse pointer is pointing (not where highlighted). Hence, I am using a button-mapping software (AEBPlus) to get the benefits of both world:
- OK button becomes "enter"
- long pressing OK button becomes "close application"
- right softkey button becomes "move cursor to right"
- left softkey button becomes "move cursor to left"
- media key single press becomes left softkey
- comm manager key single press becomes right softkey
And, I have the mouse cursor always enabled. Generally moving the highlighting position by the wheel is easier than the mouse.
Hence, with this setup, I use the wheel most of the time to move the highlighting position to where I want and then I press the OK button to select it. When typing text, I use the right/left button to move around the typing position for editing, deletion, etc. I will use the mouse to point to those location where highlight can't go to, for instance, the input pad, or those icons at the top task bar ...
Therefore, it is now almost one-handed operation and I hardly need the stylus.

Cursor colours?
Anyone know how to change the colour/size of the arrow?

calculator for s620

If I'm already releasing alpha software, why not this one, too...
SEE BUG REPORT AT END.
Here is a calculator for the dash. The idea is similar to Lygea 123 and 1-calc for the s620, in that it displays a replacement keyboard on the screen. This way one can use our dash almost like any other scientific calculator. Why did I make this one when the other two already exist?
Lygea 123 is not a scientific calculator, but instead just a financial/business calculator, so it didn't have the features I wanted. And I didn't like the interface of 1-calc....
It is very rough, and I'm sure has some bugs. But it is quite usable - it is the calculator that I use. The problem is that I don't have time to work on it now, but I think people might already enjoy it!
It might be a bit strange to use - it is a mixture of infix and prefix. You can use it as a regular calculator if you like, and everything should work as expected.
Here is an example of how it can be used:
say you want to calculate
2*sin(40+35)
you enter: 2 * sin ( 40 + 35 ) =
you can also enter: 2 * ( 40 + 35 ) sin =
(which would be like a regular calculator - infix)
to calculate sin(60) you can enter
60 sin =
or
sin 60 =
to calculate 1/4 +3 you can type
[1/x] 4 + 3 =
or
4 [1/x] + 3 =
Notice that because of this strange way to calculate things, the result of 4 [1/x] is only displayed when you type '+'. (maybe a later version will not have this 'problem')
the button 'ANS' recalls the last answer (the result of the last time '=' was pressed)
There is now prelimnary unit conversion. It isn't really optimal. What I'd really like is to be able to do
1 [m] + 3 [feet] =
Currently, it just switches the current number displayed. So to convert m to inches, do this:
2.5 [m] [inch]
To switch to unit conversion mode, press right. To switch back, press left.
To store in a memory location, hit STO, and then write the location. Valid locations are 0..99
memory locations 0..9 are displayed under the respective key.
STO+ STO- STO* STO/ do operations on those locations.
example:
1+4 = [STO] 9 =
memory location 9 now contains 5.
You can also do operations while doing calculations.
34 + 60 [STO] 3 =
displays 94, and 60 is stored in memory location 3.
To recall simply hit recall, and the location
34 [STO] 3 =
5 + [RCL] 3 * 9 + [RCL] 3 =
should give
5 + 34 * 9 + 34, i.e. 345.
The calculator still does not remember things across separate invocations.....
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BUG:
There currently is a problem with using the calculator postfix.
So you can calculate
sin(60) by typing
60 sin =
or
sin 60 =
But there are problems with using two operations postfix.
sin(60^2) will give the wrong result if done like this:
60 [x^2] sin
but the right result if done like this:
sin [x^2] 60
So for now, if you envoke multiple functions in a row, use prefix - type the function before the operand.
This is especially annoying for RC, for doing calculations on stored values.
You have to type
sin RCL 2
and not
RCL 2 sin
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update: now a cab file is available! And, new version will run only one instance at time.
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update: keys have the letters on them now. Also moved keys a bit. Now / and * are in the right place.
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update:
1. added a few functions (factorial, n choose k)
2. added deg-rad-grad for trigonometric functions. Switch between them with up-down
3. added preliminary unit conversion. Celsius<->Fahrenheit.
4. added preliminary unit conversion for lengths and weights. Switch between modes using left-right.
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update: v2.01
The two current ugliest bugs fixed:
keys don't wander down any more on a long press (I kinda liked it...)
Pressing * twice doesn't crash any more.
In addition, a small change: You can leave the shift (yellow key) pressed when pressing another key. In this case the alternate
function is used, but the keys do not remained shifted. Pressing only shift leaves it locked.
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update: v2.02
made a bit more stable. Can now calculate up to 170 factorial. Log window scrolls.
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update: v2.03
Added memory functions.
To store in a memory location, hit STO, and then write the location. Valid locations are 0..99
memory locations 0..9 are displayed under the respective key.
STO+ STO- STO* STO/ do operations on those locations.
To recall, hit RCL, and then location.
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update: v2.031: small cosmetic change.

I wll test it tomorrow. Good point anyway .

update: now a cab file
I uploaded new file: now it is a cab file.
And, now if program is running, it will be brought into the foreground when run again (instead of running a 2nd version).

I tried, Its hard to use it coz I am not sure what button what does.
/ is the simbol on my key, but in your calc is * - why?
And when I hit * twice I have some error exepton

littleclown said:
I tried, Its hard to use it coz I am not sure what button what does.
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The layout on screen is supposed to be identical to the layout of the s620 keyboard. So don't look at the keyboard, only at the screen.
littleclown said:
/ is the simbol on my key, but in your calc is * - why?
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Here I'm not sure what is better. If you really look only at the screen, and not at the keys, then my layout is better, because then the keys are in logical places - otherwise '-' would be somewhere on the right, '*' at the bottom-left.
But I also get confused by the '*' vs. '/' key. Maybe I'll just switch them in the layout....
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And when I hit * twice I have some error exepton
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This is a bug....

Dude... its so no-user-friendly .
In many situation I must count buttons from left to right and to right to left to find my button - you may know it, put for new users is some kind of hell .
Can you combine this with cursor, to control with narrows some sqare to select buttons?

This is good idea to utilize Dash's keyboard, but counting which key to use makes it much harder then necessary. I suggest you can display keyboard letters on screen, in a small font or in background. It will make key-hunting much easier.

You are right, I'll try to add little letters to the buttons.
In the meantime - here is a hint: the numbers and the left black column are really no problem. The only problem are the middle block black of keys, such as
sin cos tan
x^2 exp 10^x
For these, you can use the top row as guides: + ( ) are all in the right place....

Very useful looking! The mental reinforcement of the glowing letters/symbols on the keypad is just too much for me to overcome, though.
Having '=' mapped to space is very practical, but I want to press enter. Are you up for feature requests? A base converter on one of the yet unused keys would be outstanding. bin/hex/dec? OF course, then you'd need more numeral keys... hmmm.
Or, it could be skinnable/mappable. Some shiny .png buttons, remapping options, and you would probably have the #1 Smartphone Calc. No, you definitely would.

OK OK - keys have labels.
I added labels with the letter to each key. This is not read from key mapping, though, so it only works correctly for QWERTY keyboard. I also moved the keys around a bit, so now / and * are in the right place.
What's the best way to read the keyboard mapping?

Much better now! Do you have time to add Memory functions and some basic unit conversion functions?
The following is a tiny calculator I wrote many years ago for REX6000. Still have that baby in my wallet today

Ahhhhh the Rex...
qaplus said:
Much better now! Do you have time to add Memory functions and some basic unit conversion functions?
The following is a tiny calculator I wrote many years ago for REX6000. Still have that baby in my wallet today
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Wow! That is really cool! I got my wife a Rex for her birthday many years ago. Why don't they make this form factor any more? It was perfect!
Her second one died just last year
That's a cool calculator! If it had been my Rex, I would have installed it

added unit conversion and a few other things
Due to popular demand, I added unit conversions. I'm still not quite happy with the result. But I'm not quite sure how it should be done.
The best would be to be able to do
1 [m] + 3 [inch] =
and then pressing [feet] will give the result in feet.
This doesn't work now.
For now, just do unit conversion on the result of calculations... not during calculations.
So, you can do
1.54 [inch][m]
or
2 + 4*6 = [feet][km]
To switch to conversion mode, press .
See first post for other changes.​

Bugs:
The yellow square creeps down the screen if you hold alt. Fixes on relaunch.
The numeral keys do this as well.
Pressing + twice with no entry causes an exception.
This appears to happen with the * key as well.
Soft Key labels do not take Windows Button appearance.
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I really like the speed with which I can get to everything. Switching to units mode is elegant and going to be very handy at work, thanks!
I am curious as to why the temp conversion is on the scientific functions page rather than the units page.
May I make more requests? Automatic save on exit of last page used would be handy. Perhaps the Alt key should say alt and flash when clicked instead of movingMaking the ! match its keyboard location would be nice, I guess, too.

Profezza said:
Bugs:
The yellow square creeps down the screen if you hold alt. Fixes on relaunch.
The numeral keys do this as well.
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This was quite ugly. I liked the fact that the program still worked correctly, but with a crooked keyboard...
Fixed now
Profezza said:
Pressing + twice with no entry causes an exception.
This appears to happen with the * key as well.
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This is also fixed. Now you can correct your last operation.
3 [+] [*] 2 =
gives 6.
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Soft Key labels do not take Windows Button appearance.
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This I don't understand. Do you mean that the shift key is not trapesoidal, like on the keyboard? Or that the key labels (i.e. the blue letters) don't move down?
Profezza said:
I am curious as to why the temp conversion is on the scientific functions page rather than the units page.
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Simply ugly programming. First I just made a F->C and C->F button like qaplus' REX6000 program. Then I added my style of units as a different function.
But there is a problem that if I want the following to work later, then
3[m] - 2[mm] =
makes sense. But
98 F - 32 F =
is something special. It is not degrees F any more, but instead a difference between degrees, in F.
So
99 [F] - 90 [F] =
[C]
should eventually show a difference of 5 degrees C, and not
9 degrees F converted to C, which is (-12.777) degrees C.
Profezza said:
Perhaps the Alt key should say alt and flash when clicked instead of moving
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It could say alt. Though on my keyboard, it is labeled FN (I have a dopod). But why flash instead of moving?
If you mean that the change shouldn't be permanent (i.e. not shift-lock), then now there are two ways to use shift:
press and hold, and press another key will not lock, just do the alternate function. Press and release shift with no interveaning keypress will lock the shift state.
Profezza said:
Making the ! match its keyboard location would be nice, I guess, too.
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This will come later, when instead of ln, exp, log, 10^, log2, 2^, I will have just one key, and you can switch the log base as you do now with rad-grad-deg.
Currently I like that they are all together.

ghostwheel said:
This was quite ugly. I liked the fact that the program still worked correctly, but with a crooked keyboard...
Fixed now
This is also fixed. Now you can correct your last operation.
3 [+] [*] 2 =
gives 6.
This I don't understand. Do you mean that the shift key is not trapesoidal, like on the keyboard? Or that the key labels (i.e. the blue letters) don't move down?
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That was fast! I was making a lighthearted reference to the fact that the bottom-of-screen captions for the "soft keys", meaning the two above the home and back <- keys, don't have the shiney/glowie look that they do in the native OS screens.
I imagine this is related to the software you are developing in, and not really important anyway.
ghostwheel said:
should eventually show a difference of 5 degrees C, and not
9 degrees F converted to C, which is (-12.777) degrees C.
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Sounds like it will be really handy for doing several rapid temp related tasks! K would be nice too, if you can find space for it.
ghostwheel said:
It could say alt. Though on my keyboard, it is labeled FN (I have a dopod). But why flash instead of moving?
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I was just thinking of other ways to communicate it's state, I didn't realize you would be able to stop the creep-bug so fast.
ghostwheel said:
If you mean that the change shouldn't be permanent (i.e. not shift-lock), then now there are two ways to use shift:
press and hold, and press another key will not lock, just do the alternate function. Press and release shift with no intervening keypress will lock the shift state.
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That sounds consistent with xt9, so perfect to our existing habits.
ghostwheel said:
This will come later, when instead of ln, exp, log, 10^, log2, 2^, I will have just one key, and you can switch the log base as you do now with rad-grad-deg.
Currently I like that they are all together.
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Then, I will keep watching on this thread for updates. I already am using it a bit in work and home Thanks!

FYI: It works perfectly with 6.1, but throws an alert on install. "made for older version, blah blah..."

Very very good job gentelman....!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nice job! thanks!
Let me try it for several days before posting feedback/requests

sorry for hang from your post. But will there be a financial calculator like the HP 17BII for 19bii for use with the S620?

Direct Keyboard Key

Is there any way to make the on-screen keyboard enter the key I click first, as opposed to what key I am over when I take the stylus off the screen.
For example, if I use the Full QWERTY keyboard and press the E button, but drag my stylus over the R key and take my stylus off it enters R, not E. When I'm typing a message fast this can be a problem with keys at the side of the keyboard as I regularly enter S instead of A and B,N or M instead of a space. Does anyone know of a registry edit or some other way of stopping this from happening? Many thanks in advance!
Sorry, have entered this in the wrong forum! Meant to put it in the generic BlackStone one!

Dude,
That's a feature!
Most people prefer to be able to drag to another key, knowing they pressed the wrong one in the first place. It's kinda natural as our thumbs are bigger than most keyboard keys.
You haven't mentioned which keyboard you're using ? (As you're new... It's also known as a 'SIP'. Try seeking your answer using the search facility in this forum. You may have more luck outside the Blackstone forums)
If you want to just 'point n' shoot' without the drag option, then you could try reverting back to the plain-ole Windows supplied Keyboard (though I haven't tested this).
Seems like a step backwards though...
Cheers

Yup, choose "keyboard" that's the Windows standard keyboard (almost feature-free).

Firstly, cheers for your replies! I will have a look to see if I can disable the feature on the keyboard as I much prefer the Blackstone's Full QWERTY keyboard as it means I can use my thumbs when on the go, and the stylus when at a desk. The plain windows one isn't really what I'm after. Many thanks people!

Hate the updated Google keyboard...

I just had to uninstall this update.
Not only was the grey swipe lines ugly/bland, but long pressing the period key has none of my fav keys I use very often.
Eg.
/
(
)
+
Etc...
LOL

isajoo said:
I just had to uninstall this update.
Not only was the grey swipe lines ugly/bland, but long pressing the period key has none of my fav keys I use very often.
Eg.
/
(
)
+
Etc...
LOL
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Yes I find it irritating for the same reasons. What did you have to uninstall to get the old one back?

Personally I don't use those keys that much and prefer the new way, but FYI, you can reach these in a relatively simple way by swiping from the 123 key(the one that takes you to the additional characters) and to the appropriate key. When you release your finger it will insert the selected character and take you back to the main screen with letters.
This way it is actually just as simple as if they were on the punctuation key.
retro83: If the google keyboard was installed from the factory(on the system partition), you can go to settings and apps, and choose uninstall update for that app. That way you will return to the version that came with the latest os update.
If it isn't on the system partition, you will have to find the old apk somewhere, but I'm sure that is doable as well.

retro83 said:
Yes I find it irritating for the same reasons. What did you have to uninstall to get the old one back?
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Thank you!
Just tried the swiping directly from the "?123" button and that really helps out a lot, I can live without the blue swipe line.
LOL
Guess I just got sooo use to the period button shortcut options and didn't really see the point of removing those extra choices.
Guess Google knows best, just wished they'd told users about the tip you gave.

mortenmhp said:
you can reach these in a relatively simple way by swiping from the 123 key(the one that takes you to the additional characters) and to the appropriate key. When you release your finger it will insert the selected character and take you back to the main screen with letters.
This way it is actually just as simple as if they were on the punctuation key.
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Thank you for this! The key doesn't even have the "..." on it, so I had no idea and I've been cursing the new keyboard for exactly the same reason. I don't really see how the long-press keys hurt anything in the old keyboard, but knowing this makes it a lot better and I can get used to this.

Well, looks like Google listened to all the poor reviews and the new/latest update adds back all those hold period button short cuts, really helps out left handed Swiper's.
LOL

Gemini Keyboard Shortcuts

Got my Gemini on Saturday and just working my way around it.
Was looking at shortcuts for the Gemini Keyboard and found the documentation, however all shortcuts are a combination of a key labelled ? (magnifying glass) plus another key.
For the life of me I cannot find the key that is supposed to be the magnifying glass.
Anyone know which key this is supposed to be
Thanks in advance

larah said:
Got my Gemini on Saturday and just working my way around it.
Was looking at shortcuts for the Gemini Keyboard and found the documentation, however all shortcuts are a combination of a key labelled (magnifying glass) plus another key.
For the life of me I cannot find the key that is supposed to be the magnifying glass.
Anyone know which key this is supposed to be
Thanks in advance
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I think those docs are for generic android with a keyboard; google has been pushing putting a "search" key directly onto keyboards.
The gemini shortcuts are mostly the "Fn" key plus another, which should be labelled. e.g. on mine (UK kbd):
ESC: "back" key, or hold down for "Power"
Fn+ESC: "power"
Fn+D: Android "home" key (desktop, not to be confused with traditional editing "home" key)
Fn+A: Android "recent" key (App switcher)
Alt+Tab: App switcher (standard android binding)
Fn+C: Volume down
Fn+V: Volume up
Fn+B: Brightness down
Fn+N: Brightness up
Fn+Alt: Phone app
Fn+Del: Settings
Fn+T: Mute microphone
Fn+R: Screenshot
etc.

Hope I am not hijacking this thread, but continued question about Fn usage
How does one get all the "strange" characters from the keyboard?
By strange, I mean stuff like "{}[]`/" and similar ones.
From the keyboard looks (symbols imprinted at the bottom of the key) I assumed its a combo of Fn+symbol, but it doesn't work.
I am using US keyboard layout and set to use Gemini keyboard as input method.

matrix200200 said:
How does one get all the "strange" characters from the keyboard?
By strange, I mean stuff like "{}[]`/" and similar ones.
From the keyboard looks (symbols imprinted at the bottom of the key) I assumed its a combo of Fn+symbol, but it doesn't work.
I am using US keyboard layout and set to use Gemini keyboard as input method.
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Did you figure this out? I'm trying to find that out now too.

It is [Fn] +'/ ' to bring up the symbols keyboard and you can select them from there. {}[]℅™®©¥¢√π∆~ etc...

Function key
Veritas06 said:
Did you figure this out? I'm trying to find that out now too.
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When you use the Gemini Keyboard app to configure the Gemini US English layout there is actually one more step it seems. Once you've gone through the setup you should receive a notification to configure your keyboard. Select this and select the Gemini keyboard and you will be good to go. I ignored the notification for a while, believing it was prompting me to go through the setup process again but that was not the case.
Hope this helps.