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The best communication device in the world?

I purchased a TyTN (T-Mobile Vario II) around six months ago and I was pretty pleased with it. It wasn't perfect (for example, I couldn't re-connect to the Internet without a soft reset) but it was pretty good.
After a lot of hesitation, I upgraded the radio (1.41) and OS (Black 2.5) about a month ago. A couple of days ago I upgraded the OS to Black Shadow. Tonight I added the SMS "fix".
I now believe that I have the best communication device in the world. Seriously. It's wonderful. The functionality is outstanding. I can do almost anything I could possibly want to do with a phone/PDA. E-mail, texting, surfing, phoning, Skyping, gaming, voice recording, reading (Word, PDF), presenting (PowerPoint), photography etc. Did I mention Internet sharing? I can now connect my laptop to the 'Net from almost anywhere in the world.
The only drawbacks that I can see are that it looks a bit like a brick (only because it has a full QWERTY keyboard - which I love), the battery only lasts one day at a time, and it can be a little sluggish at times.
Nothing else comes close and whenever I look for something better I always come away seriously disappointed - and that will include the iPhone when it comes out. We're probably using iPhone v2 (3G, programmable, video calling, Internet sharing, Office compatible, etc.) right now.

whats the point of this thread?

Seems that he wants to praise the device...would be better suited in the general forum?

Sounds like he wants a cookie....

CUSTEL said:
Sounds like he wants a cookie....
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I could not not help it, LMAO

Dont see anything wrong with praising a device

Can you actually blow a phone? Whups, n00b question, when I used the search feature it gave me this thread again. lol

Jin187 said:
Dont see anything wrong with praising a device
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ditto
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Nothing wrong if some one wants to praise their phone .

Here here!
Enough people ***** about their phones in these forums. I for one am glad to hear a success story once in a while.

I think it's a great phone, perhaps the best of the last generation, but there are new toys coming out that show incremental improvements in the technology.
But it's the programmers and hackers that really make Windows Mobile devices fly!
And, re "The best communication device in the world?", surely this is the wife's evil glare? Never fails to get the message over to me, tout suite
V

bobbyelliott said:
I now believe that I have the best communication device in the world.
Nothing else comes close and whenever I look for something better I always come away seriously disappointed - and that will include the iPhone when it comes out. We're probably using iPhone v2 (3G, programmable, video calling, Internet sharing, Office compatible, etc.) right now.
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Have you tried the Trinity?

"The best communication device in the world?"
Although my X01HT is not the best performance device in the world, I think it's the ringt device for me.

I dont have a perfect phone or PDA. Nor do I want one.
Else I will never get to replace a new one every few months!

Yes, it's a great phone!
...but we still need to file that original post under "NooB-gasm"!
Perhaps we could start a special "H-TaCy" thread for these posts.
Just kidding.
You know, in this day and age with so many Prematurely-released feature-rich gadgets, the marketing teams usually win the consumers over and poor tech support kills all the hope of the devices reaching their potential. I've been had by ASUS a few times on PDAs/phones.
It's really nice to have a great group of people like we find here (who are putting in all the grunt work) who can help us GET OUR MONEY'S WORTH (SO RARE THESE DAYS!!), especially on the language-change issues!
_My_ thanks goes out to HTC for making good products and to the FOLKS HERE for making it great! It's quite possible he sort of meant the same thing. When the vibrator stops working, he may one day realize this.
-J Cat

Lol... be nice guys.
I have to say I was quietly smiling to myself when I heard about the Iphone's 3rd party development support - through Safari widgets. Yippee
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Windows Mobile phones are great because people like the endless genii on this board make them great and customise the hell out of them.
HTC makes nice hardware, and the two together work well. Many OEMs make nice hardware now, look at the Japanese only devices for true innovation. But, Hermes is a nice, stable device. Shame about the GPS, it would have been near perfect (for its generation).
V

Perfect without GPS
Perfect? Well.... Well if it was faster, had 128 MB of storage. Had room for SD and MicroSD (4GB please) and if it had GPS, maybe it would be approaching perfect.
Now Heather Graham is perfect! http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001287/
May I have a cookie too?
Mark

Perfect without GPS
Sorry if that is a N00b post.

The TyTN is a fantastic communications device, I keep my interior life on it and it entertains me when I'm bored!
misfitflt said:
Perfect? Well.... Well if it was faster, had 128 MB of storage. Had room for SD and MicroSD (4GB please) and if it had GPS, maybe it would be approaching perfect.
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I agree with some of this... ample RAM and an 800Mhz CPU would suit me. Add GPS and a 5MP camera and it would be my perfect device.
Ohh yeah and a mini projector built into the top of the phone so I could aim it at a wall and project my films so I had a larger view!

I would like the top projector on the device to project on air rather than the wall as well as would like TyTn to perform as a new "surface" where u can just put any bar coded device on its screen and have all the contents sorted out...plus I would also like it to work as a fax and also GPS and so the list goes on and on...
In reality, I use it only for the voice calling and nothing else... and for that my nokia 3100 was perfect with 7 days plus battery life....
Sorry for the rant...

Do Latest ROM's Address PC Mag's Criticisms of Diamond?

Considering a Diamond to replace my Tilt.
Last Friday, PC Magazine reviewed the Diamond, highlighting its pluses and considerable negatives in this article:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2321616,00.asp
Could any of the ROM developers or others in this thread address what, if any, of the negatives in the article are eliminated or mitigated by ROMs developed here, such as battery life, poor Touch Flo screen response & generally buggy, slow software? (PC Magazine is hoping that US version will be better.)
Regardless of response, thanks to all for really helpful discussions & commitment to bettering stock ROMs.

Hmm... crappy review
I don't think that's a fair review to go by, but then again, i love my Diamond . I think the Diamond addresses a different kind of user then say an iPhone would. I for example don't mind making a backup (which takes about 30 seconds), and then flash new ROMS. as for the downsides:
- Sluggishness: This is, as far as i'm concerned, all fixed in most recent cooked ROM's. I started out with dutch 1.34 firmware (or was it 1.35... i'm not sure... the slow one though), and eventually got kind of ticked off. Flashing New ROM and some minor tweaks fixed this
- Keyboard eating up half your screen: Well, some ROM's include a smaller keyboard, though you definitely need a stylus to work it (i have thin fingers, so i can pretty much operate the full keybord with my fingers).
- Windows Mobile visible in places: For day to day use you barely ever run into Windows Mobile. And for the places you do it's a small effort to put the font-size to a few pixels higher so that everything's readable and clickable with your fingers.
- Opera issues: bull****. Works perfectly. Recent builds even more so then the stock one.
- Speakerphone quality is crap: well... yes it is. but it's a speaker phone, whad'ya expect? 5.1 sound?
- YouTube locking up his handset for 65 seconds: never heard of it happen, have quite a few friends with this phone. Application is quite snappy actually i think, considering the amount of data it has to process.
- Little additional software: How's adobe reader, flash lite, opera 9, google maps, office mobile, standard games + teeter, album viewer, jblend java, htc zip and a youtube player sound as per standard?
All in all i think this is an immensely biased review, from someone who probably hasn't used it for more then 2 days. If you give it a week to get used to it and personalize/tweak it you'll love it (i do, previous phones include Samsung i600 and i320, HTC Touch, Orange SPV M600, Nokia N73, so i'm not exactly new to smartphones).

I've never experienced the bugs in Opera mentioned in the article.
Most of the cooked ROMs on this site are significantly faster than the stock 1.93 ROM. As a reference, I can say that the diamond in the article is said to score:
SPB Benchmark: 378.11
CPU index: 2258.69
File system index: 176.37
Graphics index: 366.36
The presently fastest cooked ROM (Swtos v.095) gives:
SPB Benchmark: 512,41
CPU index: 2290,21
File system index: 214,74
Graphics index: 1688,14
That said, my honest opinion is that the Diamond UI is NOT as responsive as the Iphone. A lot of people here hate the comparison, but as a happy Diamond owner, this is my verdict and everyone who has made a direct comparison will tell you the same thing. There ARE still minor hickups, waiting for apps to start and slight lag in the TouchFLO 3D. I hope these will be eliminated entirely, but we're not there yet.
I'm presently using SwiftBL 6.0 FULL, considered as a fast ROM.

Many of these reviews aren't helpful to be honest, they're just more of the tired old apples versus oranges debates by people who don't much like oranges.
I can sum it up thus:
There is simply no device on the market giving more punch per unit volume... and that is by some margin.
This is why I got one, and it's turned out my decision was inspired.
It does however have it's drawbacks, and this device certainly isn't for every one (at first I had to prime it for my wife when she pinched it to make a call), but love it or hate it, the WM platform is so versatile, and is so ultra configurable, that if you put the effort in you will be handsomely rewarded... I think mine's great!

Being the owner of both diamond and iphone 3g. The best advice i can give you is going for the diamond. Forget all the other crappy phones. well i just use iphone as an ipod + web surfin I knoe i could go for the ipod touch but i like to show off that is why i just bought it. But trust me mate TOUCH DIAMOND WITH A LATEST COOKED ROM KILLS ANYOTHER DEVICE IN THE MARKET.
PS: Oh well if you like keyboard then go for the Touch PRO which is better than diamond. I am just waiting for it to come on vodafone uk so i can upgrade my contract.

Ehm? What? Heh?
This must be the worst and most unbalanced review I have ever read.
His whole critique could have been replaced with "it's not an iPhone". And you know what, that's absolutely true!
I currently have a Raphael, Diamond and Kaiser in operation. My preference is in that order. (I'll take the Kaiser over an iPhone though).
If you're coming from the Kaiser, you will love the Diamond (though really the Raphael is the Kaiser replacement here, not the Diamond).

Chainfire said:
Ehm? What? Heh?
This must be the worst and most unbalanced review I have ever read.
His whole critique could have been replaced with "it's not an iPhone". And you know what, that's absolutely true!
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I'll have to go ahead and sort of ...disagree with you there!
I believe the review clearly shows why the Diamond isn't for everyone. The reviewer gives a very plausible view of the feature-hungry but regular Joe who just buys a cool phone in a store. This "Joe" did actually take the effort of upgrading the Diamond to latest stock ROM, but the quirks still left him frustrated and wanting.
The Windows Mobile platform and this great forum gives us power-users the means to address these quirks and that is exactly why I choose the Diamond over the Iphone. With the Iphone, you're left at the whim of Apple, who still more than a year later can't even offer something as fundamental as landscape typing, except in Safari.
Still, most users can't be bothered to go about the amount of modding that the Diamond requires to fulfill its potential. I'm a newbie still, yet I've spent countless hours reading these forums. I think we can agree, that kind of effort is not for everyone and that the Diamond without tweaks and with stock ROM, is quite a rough cut.
But, I have to give credit where it's due. When it comes to responsive user interface, the Iphone has raised the bar for ALL touchphones, and by a fair margin too. This is a good thing, comparing is a good thing - because it will make the industry and HTC to strive to adapt to the new standards.
The Diamond is a super device, I love it, and compared to other WinMo-devices it really excells too. But why is comparing it to the Iphone like Apples and Oranges? I think the majority of buyers in the market for a touchphone considers BOTH the Diamond and the Iphone, and probably the Omnia too. And all devices has their advantages and disadvantages, in the end it comes down to personal preference.
But still, wouldn't it be great to get the best features from all of them into one device?
So keep comparing and keep the whip on those developers! =)

losdrivare said:
But why is comparing it to the Iphone like Apples and Oranges? I think the majority of buyers in the market for a touchphone considers BOTH the Diamond and the Iphone, and probably the Omnia too. And all devices has their advantages and disadvantages, in the end it comes down to personal preference.
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Point taken that consumers can always use informed opinion to help make their choices...
But still, wouldn't it be great to get the best features from all of them into one device?
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...but until the happy day this mystical beast is born, I think we're still stuck with choosing between apples and oranges.

losdrivare said:
I'll have to go ahead and sort of ...disagree with you there!
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Well you don't seem to disagree that much, you just use more words
On many points we agree, but that is because of the apples/oranges thing.
As I said, the Diamond is not an iPhone, and if mr average joe considers it to be one, that is their mistake.
The iPhone simply trades features and power for a sleeker UI. And though it is not there yet, WM will get this responsiveness as well. And it will not be HTC driving this, but rather MS themselves (mark my words). The slacking HTC is doing on many of its former devices and which is still partially there on the Diamond and Raphael will not be tolerated any longer. Though of course WM could be further optimized, do not forget that HTC can do all that the chef's can... they just don't
You actually say it yourself, you are left to the whim of Apple on many points, but in return you get a very responsive UI. This is just the other end of the spectrum from WM.
You will see, by the time the iPhone has the power of WM, WM will have the UI of iPhone. The only difference then is will you go with the Apple and still let all the decision be made for you, or will you go with MS and decide yourself what you want your device to be?
Yes, it would be great to have all those things. And we will. Just not yet

Thanks, everyone, for the quick and substantive replies to my question. The multiple perspectives are really great and are one of the valuable aspects of these forums.

Ive had my Diamond for almost 2 weeks now. I must say... after the excitement of taking it out the box, to being bitterly disappointed with the sluggish UI (to the point that I actually took it back to the dealer and asked for another phone), I must say that after discovering this forum, things are looking much rosier.
I'm slowly but surely starting to , as someone previously said, unlock the potential of the diamond and starting to like it again.
If you are expecting an iphone-like device, don't get this phone unless you are willing (and have the time and skill) to customise it. Its going to be a frustrating journey for you if you don't.
If you've already owned a wm device, you will probably love it (after customization)

Touch Pro 2 or iPhone 3GS?

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I have been a long time Windows Mobile user and I've had the SX66, Dopod, Kaiser and I've bought a Tilt2 from eBay (haven't received it yet).
I'm thinking of switching to an iphone mainly because of the amount of good software it has; There are apps to manage wordpress blogs, joomla admin apps, sugarcrm applications to manage customer relations. It seems that it can get a lot more done on the iPhone than the Windows Mobile.
On the Windows Mobile platform, you tend to fiddle with ROM updates, setting up your device so that "hopefully" this time it will work fast and smooth only to discover you need another ROM flash to fix new things.
Software has been disappointing on the Windows Mobile platform, but maybe the Marketplace will change all that...I know I might get a different opinion, so what would you have to say being a Windows Mobile user?

Most of the so-called "good software" that the iPhone has is a replacement for webpages.
The Facebook iPhone app? http://m.facebook.com.
Manage a WordPress blog? Correct me if I'm wrong (which I doubt, I administer my own WordPress) but doesn't WordPress have a WebGUI you should be able to access from your phone's web browser?
The best thing about the Windows Mobile platform is that it's Windows. Microsoft doesn't try and lock down development, they don't try and lock down the apps that you can run, they don't try and lock down fiddling with the OS. You don't have to hope and pray it's in the appstore, because anything that's written for WM you can just drag-and-drop to your phone, run the *.CAB, and it's installed.
There's also the freedom from iTunes (which is the biggest PoS piece of software ever).
WM6.5 has an intuitive, speedy, and finger-friendly interface. There's really no reason to buy an iPhone over a Touch Pro 2 at this point, beyond wanting to be "trendy" (which makes you an idiot, btw).
EDIT: You say you can get "a lot more done" on an iPhone. But how when you can't run simultaneous apps?

Spike15 said:
There's really no reason to buy an iPhone over a Touch Pro 2 at this point, beyond wanting to be "trendy" (which makes you an idiot, btw).
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What about the fact that it has hugely much more powerful hardware, a capacitive touch screen, better games, and better sound quality when playing music? Or the fact that it has a far superior and much more intuitive UI? Don't get me wrong, I own a TP2, and the iPhone was one of the options I rejected when choosing what to buy; but really, both are excellent devices. The TP2 is aimed more at business users with multimedia an afterthought, while the iPhone is primarily a multimedia device with business use an afterthought; but both are very good at what they do.

It all depends on what kind of person you are and what's important to you..
The iPhone has it's advantages. It is easy to use out of the box, and has a lot of apps for it. The TP2 is close, but not quite there yet. There are less apps and still lots of "old Windows Mobile" holdbacks like small menus (ie. the left and right menus on the menu bar).
The iPhone's screen, being a capacitive screen, is also much more responsive than the TP2's resistive screens. However, the TP2's screen has a higher resolution and IMHO looks much nicer.
What is basically comes down to is, how much do you want to customize your phone?
If you want to change anything about the basic way the iPhone works, you can't. From what I understand, you can't even change the background on your home screen. This may not be the case for jailbroken phones, I'm not sure.
If some kind of snazzy new way of navigating comes out for the iPhone 4G or whatever, you can't upgrade to it. This is not the case for Windows Mobile phones. When WM6.5 came out, I know people that have flashed it to their old HTC touch pro phones. Yes, it takes some technical know-how, but once you do it you can get almost a brand new phone out of it.
The iPhone's browser is better than Opera, but it's pretty close now. And when a new browser comes out, you can use it on your TP2, whereas with Apply you are stuck with what Apple allows you to have.
I recently bought a Tilt2 for myself and an iPhone for my wife. I am technical, she is not. I care if my phone won't turn on using a specific button, she does not. So there you have it..
Now Android, that's a whole other ballgame

if you are a WM user and even consider of a iphone just go with the Iphone i have neve consider iphone ever...yes i have tried it and know the ends and out of the iphone more than more iphone user but WM is much better.

I am surprise to find that you can run WM6.5 and most likely WM7 on old device like Blue Angel, Prophet etc.
I'll just pretend to argue for a moment:
- It could also mean that the platform itself did not evolve much.
- Platform couldn't evolve much because the software are holding back evolution.
- There are too many Windows Mobile devices, means more QA time to ensure it works on the common hardware / resolutions etc. and less time for innovations.
iPhone; one device, Appstore does the final QA process so that it at least have a good looking icon.
I seriously hope that the Marketplace changes all that in the future, is everyone happy with the window mobile apps and games at this point?

edmondt said:
I am surprise to find that you can run WM6.5 and most likely WM7 on old device like Blue Angel, Prophet etc.
I'll just pretend to argue for a moment:
- It could also mean that the platform itself did not evolve much.
- Platform couldn't evolve much because the software are holding back evolution.
- There are too many Windows Mobile devices, means more QA time to ensure it works on the common hardware / resolutions etc. and less time for innovations.
iPhone; one device, Appstore does the final QA process so that it at least have a good looking icon.
I seriously hope that the Marketplace changes all that in the future.
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I can run Windows 7 on a 10-year-old PC.
Your "argument" is total trash.

Spike15 said:
I can run Windows 7 on a 10-year-old PC.
Your "argument" is total trash.
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How do you mean?

edmondt said:
I am surprise to find that you can run WM6.5 and most likely WM7 on old device like Blue Angel, Prophet etc.
I'll just pretend to argue for a moment:
- It could also mean that the platform itself did not evolve much.
- Platform couldn't evolve much because the software are holding back evolution.
- There are too many Windows Mobile devices, means more QA time to ensure it works on the common hardware / resolutions etc. and less time for innovations.
iPhone; one device, Appstore does the final QA process so that it at least have a good looking icon.
I seriously hope that the Marketplace changes all that in the future, is everyone happy with the window mobile apps and games at this point?
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How do you mean?
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Your argument is based around the fact that the newer Windows Mobile OSes can be made to run on older hardware, and supposing that because of that, the platform [Windows Mobile] hasn't evolved that much.
This [your argument] is fallacious because 10 years ago the de facto operating system standard was Windows 98, Windows ME, perhaps Windows 2000.
I recently took a PC from this era, and installed Windows 7 on it. Windows 7 runs slower on this PC than it does on a more modern PC, granted, but it still runs acceptably.
Your argument, therefore, is trash, since most (all?) of the phones we're dealing with in this context, are not so ridiculously old, and therefore it is very plausible that they run a newer OS quite well.

I read this in someone signature today and it is sooooooooo true and fits this thread...
Windows Mobile = Freedom
Apple iPhone = Fascism
I'd give credit but can't remember who...
Basically, if you want someone telling you how your phone should look, operate and preform, go with the iPhone... If you want the freedom to tinker and play with settings, layouts and preformance, Windows Mobile all the way...
Both have the ability to be plug and play devices... If this is how you plan to use it, as is, then go iPhone... As you stated, There are way more apps available to the iPhone user... But look out... Some of Microsoft recent developments show that there may still be some fight left in them... With the recent release of MarketPlace, the highly anticipated release of Windows Mobile 7 and Zune integration, it seems they are trying to spark up some competition by following in Apples footsteps...
Microsoft knows they have fallen way behind in the Mobile Phone market, especially when windows mobile is being referred to as a Legacy OS... Now it's time to take action...
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do...
So, is it the Red Pill or the Blue Pill...? Choose wisely...!!!

Spike15 said:
Your argument is based around the fact that the newer Windows Mobile OSes can be made to run on older hardware, and supposing that because of that, the platform [Windows Mobile] hasn't evolved that much.
This [your argument] is fallacious because 10 years ago the de facto operating system standard was Windows 98, Windows ME, perhaps Windows 2000.
I recently took a PC from this era, and installed Windows 7 on it. Windows 7 runs slower on this PC than it does on a more modern PC, granted, but it still runs acceptably.
Your argument, therefore, is trash, since most (all?) of the phones we're dealing with in this context, are not so ridiculously old, and therefore it is very plausible that they run a newer OS quite well.
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You also have to consider that just because it is newer does not necessarily mean it requires more power. Development can improve power and performance, but do not forget that development can improve efficiency as well.

I will also note that I got my tp2 yesterday. Third windows mobile phone after a Mogul and a TP1. The TP2 is -VERY- similar to the tp1, which I expected, being that they have the same OS. I will have to concur with everything that has been said defining the differences so far in this thread.
I am a manager at a sprint store and -ALWAYS- describe windows mobile phones as the free-est (is that a word?) experience out of any phone I have owned. The countless modifications you can perform overwhelm any other smartphone I have owned [iPhone, Palm Pre, HTC Hero(which rocks too)] There is almost no limit to what you can customize in your WinMo device.
This also has its drawbacks. People who want a cookie cutter, out of the box, cool device should stick to an iPhone or a Palm Pre. Those who have the know-how and the desire to tweak their device should lean toward a windows mobile device. Apples and Oranges imo.
Good luck, I know you will enjoy whichever device you decide to use.

I've been a WinMo man since 2005, when I got my Dell Axim. When the Axim was obviously dying, I decided to be open-minded and gave the iPhone a try (borrowing it from a friend) before settling on HTC TP2.
I have to say I really liked iPhone for its consistency. You only need a finger a button, and after a couple of minutes you've figured out when to use which. Graphics performance is outstanding: you drag a picture or map and it stays glued to your finger without any sign of jerkiness. And generally, everything works the way it's supposed to.
By contrast, with TP2 there is no such consistency. You start off with your finger and after a while get annoyed and pull the stylus out, then after a minute you realize you need a keyboard and pull out that one too. Then you get bored of landscape mode and shove the keyboard in, then you put the stylus back in only to pull it out a minute later (iPhone is much easier to operate with one hand than TP2). And of course it takes a lot of effort to make many things run the way the're supposed to.
Ultimately, I got TP2 for many reasons: I didn't want to be a slave to Apple, I didn't want to be a slave to iTunes, and the fact that AT&T network sucks didn't help. There is so much more you can do with Windows Mobile: with a little patience, you can customize almost anything. There is a wealth of free applications that offer really important functionality, and it doesn't feel like somebody is trying to control every one of your steps.
So I just have to agree with the others: for a lay user iPhone is the better choice but if you are technically inclined WinMo devices are more interesting and offer way more opportunities.

NilRecurring said:
I have to say I really liked iPhone for its consistency. You only need a finger a button, and after a couple of minutes you've figured out when to use which. Graphics performance is outstanding: you drag a picture or map and it stays glued to your finger without any sign of jerkiness. And generally, everything works the way it's supposed to.
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I must have better hand-eye co-ordination than everyone, but I never pull out the stylus unless I'm hand-writing notes ( :3 ) or I'm using regedit.
The only time I miss buttons is when I'm trying to select a new artist / song from the list in Windows Media Player while driving.
And seriously, when you're watching the road and operating a touchscreen out of the corner of your eyes...the icons could be the size of Texas...you'd still miss...

NilRecurring said:
By contrast, with TP2 there is no such consistency. You start off with your finger and after a while get annoyed and pull the stylus out, then after a minute you realize you need a keyboard and pull out that one too. Then you get bored of landscape mode and shove the keyboard in, then you put the stylus back in only to pull it out a minute later (iPhone is much easier to operate with one hand than TP2). And of course it takes a lot of effort to make many things run the way the're supposed to.
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I prefer to think of the stylus and keyboard as advantages. Texting/reading emails/writing emails while driving is a terrible idea. Like most terrible ideas, I have done it before. A lot. Having used a Mogul and Touch Pro before a Palm Pre, an iPhone, a Hero and a Samsung Moment, I find myself reaching for the stylus occasionally for the increased accuracy. I cannot stand even the most intuitive touch screen keyboard. I hate the Mogul, Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, iPhone, Hero and Instinct virtual keyboards equally. Having to slide out the keyboard? I am grateful that this advanced, useful and stylish equipment allows me that convenience.

warrenmrogers said:
I am grateful that this advanced, useful and stylish equipment allows me that convenience.
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I am equally grateful.
However, I'm enraged that the HD2 won't offer this...
>_>

i've been using winmo devices since 2004 when i bought a motorola mpx200 and i've been using windows since 3.1, i've used every windows in both platforms until then. the thing i can say about windows in general is it is evolving indeed. you can't even compare a win 3.1 or even 95 with xp or especially with 7 imo and same goes for wm 2003 and 6.5.
saying windows isn't evolving based on it can be run by older devices is just dumb (no offence intended) being a former computer science engineering student i can say that the most important thing our instructors were telling us was when you programme improve your coding to require less ram and cpu power and modulate. especially win 7 does this perfectly. so it is basicly good programming rather than a not evolving platform.
about iphone vs tp2, i prefer tp2. i've used my friends' iphone 2g and 3g (i even jailbreaked and unbricked 2g actually and tried to teach how to use the 3g to the other one so you can say i tampered with both of them for a pretty good time) i truly hated both of them. i am not saying this because i want to trash iphone i understand why some people may like it but it is just no good for me. simple example: when i went into the settings i was like "what this is it??" and no multitasking? thanks but no thanks.
let's return to good programming and not evolving issue for iphone. iphone 2g os was ~250 mb, our HTC wm6.5 is what 175 mb custom roms are 130-140 mb. the nice things iphone does are because of its larger os. what apple is doing is just putting an enormous os to a phone and expecting their fast cpu to be able to handle it. i don't know about 3g s but the others weren't handling it so much imo. that's why it has no multitasking i guess, because it is barely handling the os.
and not evolving? let's take a look at iphone history. what's is the difference between 2g-3g and 3g s again? i am so glad it can now copy-paste and take videos btw (can't remember how long i've been doing these with a winmo phone). maybe even some day apple releases a 3g-sx or something and iphone users can even use video call
conclusion is you may like iphone i don't iphone has its advantages tp2 has its own but let's not be silly by saying win platform is not evolving because it can be run by older devices especially when iphone's "evolving" is well known

Why do these iPhone/Touch Pro2 comparisons keep coming up? They each have their advantages and disadvantages just like the Macs and PCs. This is a TouchPro2 forum, so obviously the bias will be towards the TouchPro2. There are numerous threads already on this. You like to play games, get the iPhone. You want your phone for business, get the TouchPro2.

One thing I really miss on TP2 is scroll buttons I had on my Axim. Now, iPhone doesn't have them either, but I found its finger scrolling works much better than on TP2. I often view pages in landscape just to make use of page up/page down buttons. I tried VolDPad to configure the volume buttons for scrolling but it's very buggy and the volume buttons are not too comfortable for scrolling anyway. BTW, what I liked best about myTouch was the trackball (you don't know what you're missing until you've tried it), but that's for another discussion.

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I am a manager at a sprint store and -ALWAYS- describe windows mobile phones as the free-est (is that a word?) experience out of any phone I have owned.
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I've never been more pleased with an OS

Well, I've been an avid phone geek ever since the original Blackjack's release date (Not as long as some but longer than most) and I've been an XDA member for about 2 and a half years now so I have got a bit of time under my belt. I've had a total of 47 different smartphones acquired through trading and selling. I've worked with WebOS, WM from 2003 on, BBOS (if you can call that a smartphone), iphone (for like the worst week of my smartphone life), Android (was a diehard fanboy since the G1 release date until I got my hands on an HD7) and pretty much everything except BadaOS which was just depressing when I tried it in the store... After using WP7 though I have to say I have completely regained faith in windows. This is without a doubt the most fluid UI I've ever seen and the animations are breathtaking (and for those of you who say they give you motion-sickness, maybe they werent intended for the 90+ market) This paired with the most amazing games like ilomilo and the complete lack of a NEED to mod have just made this the overall best OS I have ever used. This is the first OS I'd say works out of the box and the first that I'd consider paying for apps for (I've already put in over 100 dollars in apps and do not regret it in the least.) Everybody is griping about a few "key features" that are missing but I cant remember the last time I used c&p on a phone and doubt even when its released I'll more than sample it. After playing with this every other OS I go try to tinker with just seems to be slow by comparison. The only improvement I absolutely do hope they provide (which theyve already shown us) is faster app loading. With that under their belt we are looking at the OS of the future and soon all others will just be dead in the dirt. Long live WP7.

I give the OS a 99% rating. 100% if it had Swype.

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I give the OS a 99% rating. 100% if it had Swype.
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Dependant on the device I agree. With my HTC surround it would've been nice but with the HD7, Dell Venue Pro, and Focus I'm actually just as quick if not quicker without... the keyboard was about as finger friendly as they come. I currently own all US released WP7 devices except the LG one and that's just because I've never much trusted LG's build quality...

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Well, I've been an avid phone geek ever since the original Blackjack's release date (Not as long as some but longer than most) and I've been an XDA member for about 2 and a half years now so I have got a bit of time under my belt. I've had a total of 47 different smartphones acquired through trading and selling. I've worked with WebOS, WM from 2003 on, BBOS (if you can call that a smartphone), iphone (for like the worst week of my smartphone life), Android (was a diehard fanboy since the G1 release date until I got my hands on an HD7) and pretty much everything except BadaOS which was just depressing when I tried it in the store... After using WP7 though I have to say I have completely regained faith in windows. This is without a doubt the most fluid UI I've ever seen and the animations are breathtaking (and for those of you who say they give you motion-sickness, maybe they werent intended for the 90+ market) This paired with the most amazing games like ilomilo and the complete lack of a NEED to mod have just made this the overall best OS I have ever used. This is the first OS I'd say works out of the box and the first that I'd consider paying for apps for (I've already put in over 100 dollars in apps and do not regret it in the least.) Everybody is griping about a few "key features" that are missing but I cant remember the last time I used c&p on a phone and doubt even when its released I'll more than sample it. After playing with this every other OS I go try to tinker with just seems to be slow by comparison. The only improvement I absolutely do hope they provide (which theyve already shown us) is faster app loading. With that under their belt we are looking at the OS of the future and soon all others will just be dead in the dirt. Long live WP7.
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Couldn't of said it better myself, great post
People are far to quick to pick holes in the OS but for me its simply stunning so i've put my HD2 to bed, if i get the urge to tinker i'll use the HD2 to cure my needs but atm im more than happy to have a phone working so well.
Having shown this to my iphone friends they seem to be very impressed which is no great surprise, i had an iphone a while back but soon got bored at looking at pages of icons!!!

Well Said
99% for me as well, 100% with custom ringtones. I have had no urge at all to tweak (used to spend hours a day on these forums when using WM 6.5.x), am looking forward to future releases but not as desperate as I used to be with WM 6.5.x. I could care less about C&P and multitasking. When it gets here, great.
My real concern is the microsdhc card issue. This area is a real unknown and source of a lot of confusion and concern. There do not appear to be any "Certified WP7" cards listed, but Samsung and AT&T offer them for sale as accessories for the Focus. They have a responsibility to fix this.

I absolutely love the OS, especially since we've been opening up new features like custom ringtones and customizing accent colors. Not a 100% satisfaction but if the updates are as good as they're rumored to be then I'll definitely give it a 100%!

z33dev33l said:
Well, I've been an avid phone geek ever since the original Blackjack's release date (Not as long as some but longer than most) and I've been an XDA member for about 2 and a half years now so I have got a bit of time under my belt. I've had a total of 47 different smartphones acquired through trading and selling. I've worked with WebOS, WM from 2003 on, BBOS (if you can call that a smartphone), iphone (for like the worst week of my smartphone life), Android (was a diehard fanboy since the G1 release date until I got my hands on an HD7) and pretty much everything except BadaOS which was just depressing when I tried it in the store... After using WP7 though I have to say I have completely regained faith in windows. This is without a doubt the most fluid UI I've ever seen and the animations are breathtaking (and for those of you who say they give you motion-sickness, maybe they werent intended for the 90+ market) This paired with the most amazing games like ilomilo and the complete lack of a NEED to mod have just made this the overall best OS I have ever used. This is the first OS I'd say works out of the box and the first that I'd consider paying for apps for (I've already put in over 100 dollars in apps and do not regret it in the least.) Everybody is griping about a few "key features" that are missing but I cant remember the last time I used c&p on a phone and doubt even when its released I'll more than sample it. After playing with this every other OS I go try to tinker with just seems to be slow by comparison. The only improvement I absolutely do hope they provide (which theyve already shown us) is faster app loading. With that under their belt we are looking at the OS of the future and soon all others will just be dead in the dirt. Long live WP7.
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Great post!. Agree with everything said.
I was a windows mobile user ready to give up on Microsoft and move on to android. I'm so glad that I gave windows phone 7 a chance as this is the smoothest os I have ever used. The UI is refreshing and the phone just works right out of the box without having to tinker with every little thing. Gaming on here is pretty amazing to with games like ilomilo and the harvest. The Zune player is incredible with some of the best visuals I have ever seen for a media player. The Os does have its shortcomings tho missing such things as multitasking, turn by turn navigation and custom ringtones but I know these features are coming in future updates . I'm really excited to see what Microsoft has in store for the os.

agreed with post. Now enter some rabid android/apple/rim/palm/not wp7 fanboi to denigrate it...

Agreed. I have had several WinMo phones and was about to pull the trigger on an Android phone until I played with WP7. I was sold and went ahead and picked up a Focus. Now if I can just have tethering (without work around), custom ring tones (without having to use a workaround), C&P and multitasking.
My wife was sold on an Android also, but after playing with my Focus, she is looking to get herself a WP7 phone.

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Agreed. I have had several WinMo phones and was about to pull the trigger on an Android phone until I played with WP7. I was sold and went ahead and picked up a Focus. Now if I can just have tethering (without work around), custom ring tones (without having to use a workaround), C&P and multitasking.
My wife was sold on an Android also, but after playing with my Focus, she is looking to get herself a WP7 phone.
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It's just kind of one of those "Once you've seen it it can't be unseen" things

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Well, I've been an avid phone geek ever since the original Blackjack's release date (Not as long as some but longer than most) and I've been an XDA member for about 2 and a half years now so I have got a bit of time under my belt. I've had a total of 47 different smartphones acquired through trading and selling. I've worked with WebOS, WM from 2003 on, BBOS (if you can call that a smartphone), iphone (for like the worst week of my smartphone life), Android (was a diehard fanboy since the G1 release date until I got my hands on an HD7) and pretty much everything except BadaOS which was just depressing when I tried it in the store... After using WP7 though I have to say I have completely regained faith in windows. This is without a doubt the most fluid UI I've ever seen and the animations are breathtaking (and for those of you who say they give you motion-sickness, maybe they werent intended for the 90+ market) This paired with the most amazing games like ilomilo and the complete lack of a NEED to mod have just made this the overall best OS I have ever used. This is the first OS I'd say works out of the box and the first that I'd consider paying for apps for (I've already put in over 100 dollars in apps and do not regret it in the least.) Everybody is griping about a few "key features" that are missing but I cant remember the last time I used c&p on a phone and doubt even when its released I'll more than sample it. After playing with this every other OS I go try to tinker with just seems to be slow by comparison. The only improvement I absolutely do hope they provide (which theyve already shown us) is faster app loading. With that under their belt we are looking at the OS of the future and soon all others will just be dead in the dirt. Long live WP7.
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cannot agree anymore!!!! i love my htc surround. i had a samsung epix before so i've used a windows device. i love how much it has to offer. compared to my friends' iphones and androids, they cant compare. my friend who has an android held my wp7 and flatout said "it doesn't look like it has much to offer." but to me, it has a lot to offer and a ****ton of potential!! wp7 is a new software that just started and it can only go up from here!!
i love the swift movement of my htc surround, its very quick and very sleek. and the apps that i have are great!! with apple or android phones it seemed like the screen needed to be filled with useless applications. with wp7 the tiles are nice size and my phone looks perfect with the default tiles, minus the att apps, facebook app, and weather channel app. quick and easy to navigate. and unlike apple and android, i very much approve of the vertical scrolling so there is no limit to the amount of apps you can put on the start screen. and what android and apple devices cant do is change the color of the icons. personally i am a fan of blue but come st patricks day, those tiles will be green, and easter, probably green again lol, and christmas, totally goin red. there is so much that can be done with a wp7 device that apple and android users cannot see because they are solely towards the software on their devices. well they are completely wrong!!!!!!
overall i gotta give MS an A++ on these devices. it can only go up from here!! great device, htc surround. will be using for the longest time!! cant wait for more updates! apparently there is a windows phone 8 software coming out next year (not confirmed, just read it somewhere on the internet). love microsoft and all their hard work!!!! Congrats to Microsoft for making an outstanding software!!!!!!

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I give the OS a 99% rating. 100% if it had Swype.
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To be honest, I prefer the WP7 keyboard. Responsive and probably the best virtual keyboard that I have used thus far. Swype does have it's advantages though, but I got slow at it after I changed phones (HD2 to Nexus One) due to availably (at that time, Swype closed it's beta).
I would give it a 100% if it had custom ringtones and I am guessing we can expect that soon.

though i think they have the capabilities/software already in place, we've heard very little about what is in the coming update, so it may not be in the jan/feb update.

The gushing in this thread made me smile. Lovely to see people appreciate an OS that even with its shortcomings its an absolute joy to use.
Here is a text my Android loving best friend sent me today!
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Yup I've got him. He'll be getting the HTC Pro on sprint.

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The gushing in this thread made me smile. Lovely to see people appreciate an OS that even with its shortcomings its an absolute joy to use.
Here is a text my Android loving best friend sent me today!
Yup I've got him. He'll be getting the HTC Pro on sprint.
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Niiiiiiice

Word of mouth spreads like wildfire. So spread the word

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Word of mouth spreads like wildfire. So spread the word
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I haven't exactly been doing that, mainly because most people I know have CDMA. :/ But... People have been calling my Dell Venue Pro "beautiful" so I guess that is a plus.

I liked the design behind WP7 and how it works but I wasnt prepared for how much I love this OS. Its so smooth, easy to use and feels like a modern OS compared to Android and iOS.
Just wish they would put it on a tablet.

what a refreshing thread.

I just dont get the hate really... I mean try an OS before you bash it, and I'm not talking about 3 minutes in your local T-mobile shop...

The Best Apps from IOS/Android not in the Marketplace

These are some of the Apps I would like to see in the WP7 marketplace
Bump
WhatsAPP
Fring
Layer
Paypal
Word Lens
Lose IT
Around ME
what would you guys like to see ???

ebzrascal said:
These are some of the Apps I would like to see in the WP7 marketplace
Bump - I'd like this app, or a built in 'send contact' option in the OS.
WhatsAPP -Kik (similar to whatsapp) is coming in the next few weeks supposedly. But would also be nice to see WhatsAPP. I imagine we will start to see more of the 3rd party messengers come Mango, which is when we will see some decent IM clients as well.
Fring - These will likely also come with Mango which gives full camera API support to dev's.
Layer - was shown at MIX11 by Joe Belfiore, and is coming this Fall with Mango's necessary API's (as will pretty much all other augmented reality apps).
Paypal - sure why not.
Word Lens - sure why not
Lose IT - don't use any of these types, but sure why not!
Around ME - Around Me, Urban Spoon ect would be nice additions. There are some pretty decent ones already in the marketplace, but I'd like to see some more.
what would you guys like to see ??? - mostly an official Google Voice app (or one that functions like an official one would.....Mango API's should allow this to happen pretty quickly).
most of the other things I wanted are coming with Mango as described above (augmented reality apps, IM/3rd party messegers, skype/fring ect) so other than just seeing more quality apps, I want MS to add features. I'm eagerly awaiting their announcement of the "Consumer" side of the Mango features.
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what are you doing until mango ?

Personally I would love for the Gameloft/Gamevil games to make their way to the marketplace. Only thing I miss about iOS is Zenonia series and Dungeon Hunter.

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what are you doing until mango ?
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LOL...well said,you made my day mate...I can't even figure out what I can do until Mango.

i wana see longman dictionary .and oxford one
nba game time
infinity blade

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Trick question? Using my phone lol. Did I somehow make you think I couldn't function without a Layar app?
These things are not necessities to function, just what I would like to see, and they are coming.

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Lol... Agree.
Also, on the Kik thing...
Kik has been Kicked (pun intended) off of Blackberry, and it doesn't have nearly as many users as WhatsApp has. It requires yet another account creation in addition to downloading the app. WhatsApp goes by phone numbers.
WhatsApp works on Android, iOS, Blackberry, and Symbian.
Sorry, but anyone who does a lot of communication on their smartphones know that Kik is no suitable replacement for WhatsApp.
I don't even consider it an alternative.
What we need is something like Trillian for WP7, not Kik...
The OP also failed to mention Skype and Pandora. (Well I guess it was his list, I was going by the thread title )

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Lol... Agree.)
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On what? I was answering the guys post, and responded to his list. That was it.
What an odd question. What am I doing until Mango? Not IM'ing? Not using Layar? Same thing as everybody else? It just happens that almost everything he listed is coming, and we know when its coming.
Other than apps Mango is going to allow (WhatsApp will probably come as well) I don't think we will be 'missing' many apps. I just want added functionality in the OS.

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On what? I was answering the guys post, and responded to his list. That was it.
What an odd question. What am I doing until Mango? Not IM'ing? Not using Layar? Same thing as everybody else? It just happens that almost everything he listed is coming, and we know when its coming.
Other than apps Mango is going to allow (WhatsApp will probably come as well) I don't think we will be 'missing' many apps. I just want added functionality in the OS.
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It seems as though this community thinks you need to be able to "do" something with the phone every day rather than just use it... I guess this comes from the flashing of ROMs and such... You guys are so accustomed to the WM days where we HAD to "do" something every day to make the phone usable... I'm going to agree here and say I'm going to "use" my phone, I'm going to continue texting, taking pictures, emailing, fbing, tweeting, 4sqing...etc

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What we need is something like Trillian for WP7, not Kik...
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Would still prefer Trillian... At least from my experiences with IM+ in the past... I hope they can prove me wrong this time though.

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It seems as though this community thinks you need to be able to "do" something with the phone every day rather than just use it... I guess this comes from the flashing of ROMs and such... You guys are so accustomed to the WM days where we HAD to "do" something every day to make the phone usable... I'm going to agree here and say I'm going to "use" my phone, I'm going to continue texting, taking pictures, emailing, fbing, tweeting, 4sqing...etc
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The only thing we'd like to do is install an app, but unfortunately those apps are impossible to install on our phones becaue they're impossible to implement.
This has nothing to do with Windows Mobile. I came to WP7 from Android, and if you read my posts in the Vibrant forum you'd know that I've never touched my phone in the way you seem to infer.
I have never modded any of my WM or Android devices. It's not my thing.
This OS isn't subpar because people want to mod them. It's subpar because it was designed as a subpar Feature Phone OS with good hardware while they finished the other half over the next year.
And now we'll probably have to sit on it even longer while Microsoft gives Nokia a cookie.
I dunno why you're going on and on about the WM/Android Modding crutch.
The OS just does not cut it compared to Android and iOS even if you're never modded your phone - ever, on any other platform you've used.
You paid $500 for a phone to wait a year for it to become as usable as a mid-ranged Android or Blackberry Curve? I sure as hell didn't, nor should I have been expected to do so...
It's not our fault the OS is in the shape its in, and has failed to impress anyone but a few fanbois here and there. It's Microsoft's fault.
Also, if you glance over my post history you'll see that I am equally vicious towards Android, iOS, and Blackberry as I am towards WP7. Trying to pawn me off as some Anti-Microsoft fanboi in this forum is quite hillarious... I am loyal to no platform, and equally critical of all of them. It only happens that this one is worse than the others.
Many of the criticism here can be found anywhere on the internet, even in formal reviews and unboxings. It's no mystery that this OS is both unfinished and if to be considered an actual smartphone OS (instead of a feature phone), Beta-quality.
And to the person after you, IM+ is inferior to Trillian in almost every possible way.
Also, the HD7 is a worse PHONE than the Vibrant, so even if I were willing to shut up and just deal with the OS' shortcomings, there is still that issue. The radio (or perhaps the radio firmware) is terrible and call quality and reception is not good. The external speakers are even worse than the cell radio.
I'll continue using my Vibrant to do half the **** you said you'll continue doing because it's a superior user experience. Push Notifications and Updates are simply superior on Android and there are things that are impossible to do on WP7 like emailing or MMSing videos.
But like I said, if you use your phone like a feature phone this OS no doubt seems very polished and "innovative."

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The only thing we'd like to do is install an app, but unfortunately those apps are impossible to install on our phones becaue they're impossible to implement.
This has nothing to do with Windows Mobile. I came to WP7 from Android, and if you read my posts in the Vibrant forum you'd know that I've never touched my phone in the way you seem to infer.
I have never modded any of my WM or Android devices. It's not my thing.
This OS isn't subpar because people want to mod them. It's subpar because it was designed as a subpar Feature Phone OS with good hardware while they finished the other half over the next year.
And now we'll probably have to sit on it even longer while Microsoft gives Nokia a cookie.
I dunno why you're going on and on about the WM/Android Modding crutch.
The OS just does not cut it compared to Android and iOS even if you're never modded your phone - ever, on any other platform you've used.
You paid $500 for a phone to wait a year for it to become as usable as a mid-ranged Android or Blackberry Curve? I sure as hell didn't, nor should I have been expected to do so...
It's not our fault the OS is in the shape its in, and has failed to impress anyone but a few fanbois here and there. It's Microsoft's fault.
Also, if you glance over my post history you'll see that I am equally vicious towards Android, iOS, and Blackberry as I am towards WP7. Trying to pawn me off as some Anti-Microsoft fanboi in this forum is quite hillarious... I am loyal to no platform, and equally critical of all of them. It only happens that this one is worse than the others.
Many of the criticism here can be found anywhere on the internet, even in formal reviews and unboxings. It's no mystery that this OS is both unfinished and if to be considered an actual smartphone OS (instead of a feature phone), Beta-quality.
And to the person after you, IM+ is inferior to Trillian in almost every possible way.
Also, the HD7 is a worse PHONE than the Vibrant, so even if I were willing to shut up and just deal with the OS' shortcomings, there is still that issue. The radio (or perhaps the radio firmware) is terrible and call quality and reception is not good. The external speakers are even worse than the cell radio.
I'll continue using my Vibrant to do half the **** you said you'll continue doing because it's a superior user experience. Push Notifications and Updates are simply superior on Android and there are things that are impossible to do on WP7 like emailing or MMSing videos.
But like I said, if you use your phone like a feature phone this OS no doubt seems very polished and "innovative."
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This goes on about your arrogance and apparent self created worth in this forum. Who says everything I say is directed towards you? Did I say "Hey N8ter...." - Not to mention, the phone is usable enough for me... You're also comparing a mature OS, to one in its infancy... But this is part of the double standard here... Not to mention, the HD7 is a superior device to any Vibrant I've ever touched, sorry that your experience is different.
Phone is usable enough for me, I just wish some of you would quit trying to convince me differently. Getting out of the topic of this post, you guys even go into the topics labeled "I Love My WP7" and try to spew your venom... Which is where it gets rather annoying tbh, this is a WP forum, I don't constantly want to hear the same 4-5 users ***** about it...
You, and a select other few, also seem to hold your opinions as fact, and the second somebody successfully refutes an argument you have, you attack it even harder.. Regardless of how ridiculous your point is... You become upset when somebody enjoys the experience.

Not going to entertain you today.

Mint.com
Skype/Fring
Good googletalk client
Sent from my Windows Phone using Board Express

I see there is a new RDP client that works with Windows RDP. It's by Topperware and is called Remote Desktop, which is the same name as a existing VNC client in the Marketplace. It seems to connect just fine but the connection times out after a minute in the trial version, so I couldn't play around with it much.
I suspect it is using some sort of redirection to a server somewhere. You can't use a internal IP assigned by your router but must use your external internet IP.

MLB At Bat
Scrabble
Native Remote Desktop
An IM app, but that seems to be coming soon

I'm quite puzzled as to why there isn't a Tesco Clubcard App. Tesco have had "Tesco Real Food" and "Tesco Groceries" out on the market since launch.

I really want to see many of Zynga's apps, such as Zynga Poker and Words with Friends. I realize there are many alternatives to those games, such as Full House Poker and Alpha Jax, but most of my friends play those Zynga games.