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Well, im ready to upgrade from my 3125 (which is starting to fail after 2 years) to a touch screened WinMo phone (despite several friends/co-workers trying to get me into the iphone) I was strongly for the Touch HD for a while, then the Touch Pro II was announced and i started looking into it. Its not a bad phone.
Question is, which would be better overall?
The biggest selling point for the HD is the 3.5mm audio jack (why HTC or other phone manufactures dont make this standard ill never know, given the high demand and how pretty much every phone plays music now). My 3125 does play music, and has front audio controls (which ive discovered are more of a hassle than a bonus) ive found i dont use it to play music as much as i hoped i would. This is, in majority, due to the lack of a 3.5 jack. I managed to get a Bluetooh Stereo receiver, however the sound quality is sub-par, and it creates severe lag with the phone, and so, i rarely use it.
I do sync it to my outlook, use it to update appointments, notifications and contact list (im super forgetful of events, so it helps remind me)
Now on the flip side, the biggest selling point for the Touch Pro 2 is the hard keyboard (obviously). While i messed around with a soft keyboard on an iPod Touch, and im pretty sure i could get use to it, ive read that the HD used a resistant screen, so it wouldn't be as responsive as the ipod touch/iphone. Plus it would be nice to have hardware keys for fun stuff such as playing mobile games.
Outside of those two unique features, they seem like identical smartphones. I just have a couple questions about them..
1. This may be a stupid one, but since im in the U.S. i have to ask. It looks like the Touch Pro 2 will be able to go on the AT&T network (seeing as how T-Mobile is bringing it in), but Will the Touch HD also be accepted on the AT&T network? (i do understand it will NOT do 3g. I have no plans to use the network in that fashion, and if i do, non-3g will be enough)
2. Does the Touch Pro 2 have a G sensor for screen rotation and the like? From videos ive seen, it only shows it switching the screen orientation when they pull out the keyboard. And the G-sensor is something i would like to take advantage of.
3. Do both devices use the 'standard' (i use that term loosely) mini-usb connection? (same that's on the touch pro). I ask to see if the Mini-usb connections (such as the 3.5 jack converter) will work on it. It looks like the touch pro 2 does use it, but i haven't seen the jack on the HD as of yet.
3. I know the HD doesn't have IR, does the Touch Pro 2? (not essential, but it would be fun to play around with and make a remote out of it)
4. On the Touch Pro 2, will it play Media files using the 'Straight Talk' loud speaker? Additionally, hows the sound quality of that speaker?
Now, the TP2 looks pretty nice, and very functional & business like. However im not much into business (aside from programming) and will likely not use the conference feature much, if at all. The HD is more of the multi-media phone which is more or less what i want, but i cant ignore all the features and the hard keyboard of the Touch Pro 2.
Opinions? Comments?
ALL HTC devices made in the last 2 years or so have used the extUSB connection proprietary (although the spec is in the open) to HTC. It combines Audio/video with the usb port. You can use a standard mini USB cable in this port though.
TouchHD will work on AT&T 3g.
There is an accelerometer in the Touch Pro2.
IR has been deleted from later HTC devices if I have my facts correct.
Audio is played through the speaker unless you have headphones connected.
cheers.
i also wanted the htc hd but had my reservations about no hard press buttons. now that the TP2 will soon be available i will get that for sure!!!(qwerty)!!!
I would DEFINITELY go with they touch pro 2, sure the screen is a bit smaller but hardly, and also it does ahve a g-snsor, and also I here are specs for the touch pro 2 from htc website
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html
and heres teh specs for the hd:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchhd/specification.html
also a slightly higer capacity battery in the touch pro 2
I know it has the hardware keyboard, but can you still use the softkeys if you didnt want to flip out the other one?
I am leaning toward the TP2, tho it means i have to wait for IT to be released, and my 3125 is quickly falling apart. :\
I think im going to stick with AT&T tho rather than switching to T-Mobile.. Anyone have any estimates on how soon it will be available to the US (unlocked)?
I know it has the hardware keyboard, but can you still use the softkeys if you didnt want to flip out the other one?
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Definitely.
Dude go for the Touch Pro II, i currently have the HD, but i need a physical keyboad since i tend to type alot on it, mails & sms's
Th eonly up side for the HD against TPII is its 3.5 audio jack, camera and slightly bigger screen of .2''
Don't forget the HD is a much slimmer phone, its even thinner than the Diamond 2 and only a little bit thicker than the original Diamond. May not be that important to you, but if you carry your phone around with you it can make quite a difference.
I have HD and ...
I have HD myself and it works OK in US. I'm using GSM only (no 3G) as you are going to.
Both phones are quad-band GSM phones, so they will work on TMO and ATT (GSM only).
TP2 also has TV Out which HD lacks.
Previously I had HTC Wizard with slide-out kbd. If you type a lot - physical kbd is a MUST. I'm ok with soft-kbd on HD, but I do not type much. But when I chat on ICQ ... man, I miss that kbd from Wizard.
Also HD seems much thinner (at least from videos I saw). That could be a factor.
Both miss front D-Pad - it turns out - big drawback for me Too many games rely on d-pad. I mean - real games It started to change though.
Bottom line ... if you type a lot and play games a lot - get TP2. Or need TV Out. Otherwise - get HD.
Personally - I'm staying with HD.
Basically the situation is a little funny. The Touch HD, Touch Pro 2, and Touch Diamond 2, are all pretty much the same exact phone. All the hardware is the same, all software is the same, only difference is the exterior casing.
Between HD and Diamond2, I have no idea what they are trying to do. You can buy a HD and flash it to the new topaz ROM, and bam you have a touch diamond2, like out of a time machine from the future! In fact the HD casing is nicer/thinner than the Diamond2, so it's even better!
For Pro2, it's exactly a touch HD/Diamond2 + a keyboard. For this you can say it's better if you don't mind the extra thickness, it's up to you between how much you want a keyboard and how much you want a thin phone. All the small keyboards from no matter what phone I don't like, they are too small to be used seriously, if I need to seriously type, I would bring a foldable full-size BT keyboard with me in pocket. But this is my preference. If you want keyboard, get pro2, if you don't, get HD.
I don't know where diamond2 fits in, it's same as HD but worse, it's thicker and smaller screen and no headphone jack and you have to wait to buy it while HD is out now, does that make any sense?
Sate said:
Basically the situation is a little funny. The Touch HD, Touch Pro 2, and Touch Diamond 2, are all pretty much the same exact phone. All the hardware is the same, all software is the same, only difference is the exterior casing.
Between HD and Diamond2, I have no idea what they are trying to do. You can buy a HD and flash it to the new topaz ROM, and bam you have a touch diamond2, like out of a time machine from the future! In fact the HD casing is nicer/thinner than the Diamond2, so it's even better!
For Pro2, it's exactly a touch HD/Diamond2 + a keyboard. For this you can say it's better if you don't mind the extra thickness, it's up to you between how much you want a keyboard and how much you want a thin phone. All the small keyboards from no matter what phone I don't like, they are too small to be used seriously, if I need to seriously type, I would bring a foldable full-size BT keyboard with me in pocket. But this is my preference. If you want keyboard, get pro2, if you don't, get HD.
I don't know where diamond2 fits in, it's same as HD but worse, it's thicker and smaller screen and no headphone jack and you have to wait to buy it while HD is out now, does that make any sense?
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well its smaller, also its got the sharpest screen, and also its not THAT much thicker but it is smaller and I think has better battery life but I see what you mean I want the touch pro 2 but if not that then the hd
I´ll definetly take the TP2, it has a physical keyboard!!!
For me is a must
Found 2 cents in my pocket, let me add it to the mix a roo
Ok, so I battled back and forth between the Sony X1 and the HD, I live in the US and my girlfriend in the UK so she was doing the shopping and the guy at the store was telling her go for the X1 if it were him thats what he would choose. That would be great coming from a TyTnII then a Kaiser, BUT i was SOOOO sick of all of the Iphone fantards that there was no way I was gonna pass the opportunity to get a killer device that would shut them the F up so i got the HD. I worked in mobile phone sales after high school in the mid 90s so I have been around them for ages and the Motorola flip phone was the greatest thing on earth. The Touch HD is by far the greatest hand held mobile device I have ever had. Looks great, works very well and even the Iphoners were saying well I dont need to record video and and and well I can read my MRIs on my phone and play slot machines to decide where to have dinner. Umm ok shut up and go play with your little toy in your room right. All this aside, i HATED not having a keyboard/D pad. This phone was the toast of the Beverly Hills Hotel and I broke the no mobile phones on your person rule and my manager never even uttered a word. No way I was leaving that beauty in my locker right! I tried every program for keyboards and still after all that, I sold it! Shipped it out yesterday as a matter of fact, and almost cried (not really but i almost told the guy i broke it and was gonna refund his money). SO with that said when the TP2 comes out, I WILL be back to typing fast and not screwing up and taking 2 min to type Ok ill be right over, do I need to stop off and pick up condoms and vodka!
Things I will miss
The look of the phone, its cool and sleek, but I felt like it was a little cheap feeling, i like feeling that my phone can stop an assasins bullet if need be. With the HD im a dead muthasucka
The 3.5MM headphone jack, BUT there is a tiny little adaptor i found online that looks kinda cool and not long and silly looking.
WAP vs the HTML internet, but I was assured by a post on another page that with Opera Mini (geesh) i should not have any concerns with surfing the net
.2 inch larger screen. This microscopic difference is so insignificant that even that much growth on my anatomy would be un noticed right, so who cares.
Not sure if there is a stylus but I like using that at times but we shall see about that.
Anyway I guess if you couldnt tell Im leaning way towards TP2, even though there is no D pad (wtf) and i need an adaptor to use my headphones, taking less time to type emails and such is very important and that is why i have to buy!!!!
This is the link for that headset adaptor, i think its like $7
http://www.javoedge.com/reflexeshop...&pbmId=16020&gclid=CMargqeD45kCFRBbagod8z-bQg
johseph said:
Ok, so I battled back and forth between the Sony X1 and the HD, I live in the US and my girlfriend in the UK so she was doing the shopping and the guy at the store was telling her go for the X1 if it were him thats what he would choose. That would be great coming from a TyTnII then a Kaiser, BUT i was SOOOO sick of all of the Iphone fantards that there was no way I was gonna pass the opportunity to get a killer device that would shut them the F up so i got the HD. I worked in mobile phone sales after high school in the mid 90s so I have been around them for ages and the Motorola flip phone was the greatest thing on earth. The Touch HD is by far the greatest hand held mobile device I have ever had. Looks great, works very well and even the Iphoners were saying well I dont need to record video and and and well I can read my MRIs on my phone and play slot machines to decide where to have dinner. Umm ok shut up and go play with your little toy in your room right. All this aside, i HATED not having a keyboard/D pad. This phone was the toast of the Beverly Hills Hotel and I broke the no mobile phones on your person rule and my manager never even uttered a word. No way I was leaving that beauty in my locker right! I tried every program for keyboards and still after all that, I sold it! Shipped it out yesterday as a matter of fact, and almost cried (not really but i almost told the guy i broke it and was gonna refund his money). SO with that said when the TP2 comes out, I WILL be back to typing fast and not screwing up and taking 2 min to type Ok ill be right over, do I need to stop off and pick up condoms and vodka!
Things I will miss
The look of the phone, its cool and sleek, but I felt like it was a little cheap feeling, i like feeling that my phone can stop an assasins bullet if need be. With the HD im a dead muthasucka
The 3.5MM headphone jack, BUT there is a tiny little adaptor i found online that looks kinda cool and not long and silly looking.
WAP vs the HTML internet, but I was assured by a post on another page that with Opera Mini (geesh) i should not have any concerns with surfing the net
.2 inch larger screen. This microscopic difference is so insignificant that even that much growth on my anatomy would be un noticed right, so who cares.
Not sure if there is a stylus but I like using that at times but we shall see about that.
Anyway I guess if you couldnt tell Im leaning way towards TP2, even though there is no D pad (wtf) and i need an adaptor to use my headphones, taking less time to type emails and such is very important and that is why i have to buy!!!!
This is the link for that headset adaptor, i think its like $7
http://www.javoedge.com/reflexeshop...&pbmId=16020&gclid=CMargqeD45kCFRBbagod8z-bQg
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I have an adapter that's kinda like that but more of a squarish shape. Also yeah I don't think the diamond 2 is that ood of a phone comparedt to the other 2 but it is also the cheapest, but im not sure but it does have a few advantages over the diamond like battery life, size, and yeah the thickness isnt that much of a difference anyways, so it baiscally depends on how much size on a phone you will sacrafice for a bigger screen
Link278 said:
I have an adapter that's kinda like that but more of a squarish shape. Also yeah I don't think the diamond 2 is that ood of a phone comparedt to the other 2 but it is also the cheapest, but im not sure but it does have a few advantages over the diamond like battery life, size, and yeah the thickness isnt that much of a difference anyways, so it baiscally depends on how much size on a phone you will sacrafice for a bigger screen
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Yep, I am like you. I hesitated between TD2 and HD (I do not like keyboards, I do not do enough typing on my phone/pda to accept the added thickness, soft keyboard is enough for me).
I am more leaning to TD2: cheaper, smaller so more pocketable make it my number one pick over the HD (although would miss the 3.8'' screen, 3.2 is just a little bit small - my perfect device would be TD2 with a 3.4/3.5'' screen (it is possible keeping the overall size, just reducing screen borders, especially the empty space under the buttons...), and either thinner or, even better, with a larger battery...I have seen pics of the batter of the TD2 and TD1, and TD2 batter seems 2 times as large as the TD1....why is it only 1100 mAh is beyond me, by the look of it I would have expected at leat 1300-1400 mAh, it is either thinner or HTC is being conservative with its battery capacities....
3.5mm jack is a little bit annoying, but I seldom listem music on my phone anyway, so either an adapter or the included earphones would not bother me too much
I had both the Touch HD and the Xperia X1i. I love the big screen but i miss the keyboard. I would have stayed with the Xperia but the speaker sucked and I often missed calls. I'm looking to get the Touch Pro 2 as it seems to be a combination of both phones to me. i hope the speaker is as good as the Touch HD, if not better.
gkai said:
Yep, I am like you. I hesitated between TD2 and HD (I do not like keyboards, I do not do enough typing on my phone/pda to accept the added thickness, soft keyboard is enough for me).
I am more leaning to TD2: cheaper, smaller so more pocketable make it my number one pick over the HD (although would miss the 3.8'' screen, 3.2 is just a little bit small - my perfect device would be TD2 with a 3.4/3.5'' screen (it is possible keeping the overall size, just reducing screen borders, especially the empty space under the buttons...), and either thinner or, even better, with a larger battery...I have seen pics of the batter of the TD2 and TD1, and TD2 batter seems 2 times as large as the TD1....why is it only 1100 mAh is beyond me, by the look of it I would have expected at leat 1300-1400 mAh, it is either thinner or HTC is being conservative with its battery capacities....
3.5mm jack is a little bit annoying, but I seldom listem music on my phone anyway, so either an adapter or the included earphones would not bother me too much
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I think that some companies make unofficial batteries that are like 2 times the size so u might want to get one of those then
Cheeze[iT] said:
I had both the Touch HD and the Xperia X1i. I love the big screen but i miss the keyboard. I would have stayed with the Xperia but the speaker sucked and I often missed calls. I'm looking to get the Touch Pro 2 as it seems to be a combination of both phones to me. i hope the speaker is as good as the Touch HD, if not better.
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I am pretty sure it will be amazing since it has 2 speakers
Yea, the 3.5mm jack is getting to be less important over the keyboard. Mainly due to the fact that their is an adapter from the usb, and if i got the HD, i couldn't do much about the keyboard.
I know their is no D-pad, but the TP2 Does have the hard keyboard, with Arrow keys.. couldn't you use that to play games?
As far as uses? I dont know. I dont much experience using a phone with a keyboard so i couldn't say if i will use it a lot until i have it available to me. I could very likely get use to the soft keyboard, but if i had a hard keyboard, id like get use to that over the soft. My 3125 is a normal number pad so either the hard or soft would be an improvement for me.
The headphone jack, ive been thinking that i likely wouldn't use quite as much. The only time i get the opportunity to listen to music is when im either driving, or waiting on something and frankly when im out in public i dont like putting on headphones because it makes me oblivious to whats going on around me. Plus, as stated, i could easily get an adapter now that their are several available.
Even tho ill have to wait that much longer (2 more months.. meeehh) i think im falling in the TP2's direction.
Here's a cahrt comparing the features of the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.fuzemobility.com/the-titans-compared/
I thinkt he HD does very well actually...in fact if it gets a software update it may be the winner with the largest screen (it's really great to type on).
Whoever that person is must really have a chip on his shoulder about HTC phones. In the review he blatantly states that the phone's screen is "useless" in daylight and that the speakerphone "is horrible". They are disappointed with the "in call" quality (sounds like a service provider issue?). The earpiece is "not clear and discernable enough". Lastly, "despite being one of the most heavily advertised features of the phone, the loudspeaker performs really bad and delivers bad quality both ways." wth is this guy talking about? Anyway, I am about to find out hopefully this weekend. A friend of mine is going to try to do a video review of the Touch Pro 2 he just ordered. Delivery is today or Monday. The only thing that cannot be tested is the 3G performance, but only because it is the Euro Touch Pro 2.
Makes me want to do a "youtube response" video to this phone arena guy.
Even though it's in another language, the following video link shows that the speakerphone is super clear. Way clearer than my Touch Diamond, Wing, Dash, or iPhone. I don't understand where this guy's comments are coming from. There's better cellphone speakerphone performance than this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Yl0_4oEPM
my review
Well I tested it and wrote the review for Tracyandmatt.co.uk I had absolutely no problems. Agreed, the screen is a pain in direct sunlight, but so is nearly every other screen that I have ever tested! The problem is that you can really see the "touch" part of the screen sensors.
As for the speaker phone, its brilliant in a conference room, not bad in a pub, crap in a really really noisy environment. It is designed for a conference room!
Overall I love this phone!
My earpiece is much clearer and importantly louder that the TyTNII.
The Speaker is also much better .... not as good as the marketing .... but much better that other HTC devices I've tried.
Although a little thin, it makes a good loudspeaker for the radio as well.
The screen is the best I've ever seen - inc the iPhone which I have to say ... forgetting the resolution was always very good (friends have them). It is also massively improved outside ... you can actually see the maps in bright sunshine ... you could never do that with the TyTNII and TyTN.
3G and HSDPA performance is fantastic .... I never had an issue with the TyTNII except at home where I'm on the edge of Vodafone coverage. The TP2 is better for GSM and data at home and really fast with HSDPA.
I agree ... he must have a problem with HTC or WM in general.
Aside from my bouncy left edge to the screen .... it is as close to perfect as I've ever seen .... and it really does look as smooth as the iPhone .... in fact .... aside from the thickness which is required for the keyboard .... given that they screen is central and fills the bottom except for the 4 very thin buttons .... it is more symmetrical than the iPhone with it's big depression in the middle (main button).
Love it.
Paul.
oh yeah, got a reply video up...well, it's sorta a reply video. Just something my friend and I quickly came up with. Check out the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMLy-l6uMVo
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The only thing that cannot be tested is the 3G performance, but only because it is the Euro Touch Pro 2.
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And why is that ?
I have a euro tp2 and have 3G and Hsdpa
awoken said:
And why is that ?
I have a euro tp2 and have 3G and Hsdpa
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Euro spec phones use different frequencies then US providers use for 3G/Hsdpa
Received my TP2 a few days ago, and here are some initial impressions:
GOOD:
- Good form factor; it's thicker than my HD but I find slightly thicker phones more comfortable to hold when talking rather than really thin phones.
- Beautiful screen and very responsive
- immensely improved TouchFlo...HD's touchflo was slow and not very useful, but I've actually been using the TP2's TouchFlo happily...no plans on installing MobileShell, which is something I did not expect!
- Fast...definitely much faster than the HD, and overall usability is way up (having said that, I felt the HD was perfectly usable as well in terms of speed)
- stable; no crashes yet
- web browsing; faster web browsing I've done on a WM device yet
- keyboard; nice and big and quite easy to use (although I suspect it might actually be TOO spacious for people with smaller hands)
- very good speaker and speakerphone
- excellent reception
- Chinese language support; the Hong Kong English version of the TP2 (my unit) now comes pre-loaded with Chinese recognition and input, while keeping the OS in English. I have been hoping to have this functionality for eons...
- overall build quality (minus the poorer tolerance of the screen fit; see below)
BAD:
- Heavy. It has overall larger dimensions so it doesn't feel like a brick like the original TP, but make no mistake this is not a light phone.
- gap, slightly poor tolerance in the flip out mechanism of the screen; when actually popped out and flipped, the hinge feels fine so far. It's when the screen is closed that you can sense the slight gap (as mentioned on the forum). So when I tap on the screen or type, you can sense the slight movement of the screen being pushed down. I actually thought it was the vibration feedback at first, but then realized that is was the screen's give. This could definitely annoy those who insist on excellent fit - but I don't mind so much because the fit of the rest of the unit is great, and I actually kind of like how it's almost like haptic feedback as I tap the screen. Having said that, HTC should've paid more attention to the design as the slight play with the screen really doesn't match with the rest of the phone...which is really an excellent piece of hardware and software.
- no 3.5mm headphone jack. Sure there are ways to get around this, but this should be standard on high-end phones as far as I'm concerned.
- buttons; not really bad, but given that there seems to be some extra real estate at the bottom of the unit, the buttons could have been larger. Feedback on the buttons are very good though, and MUCH better than the touch style buttons on the HD.
- in call volume still not quite as loud as I'd like.
- TouchFlo very memory intensive compared to previous versions. On the HD, the memory usage usually hovered around 43% without any running programs. On the TP2, the memory usage is generally around 63%. I haven't had any issues with slowdowns, but that's a 20% increase, which is a bit surprising. Having said that, it has not impacted the speed or running of programs for me at all so it's just something that's annoying to know, that's all.
Overall, you could probably guess that my impression with the TP2 is extremely positive. I've used so many WM phones in the past, and was ready to give up completely on the OS until the Touch HD (I could not believe how stable and usable it was after pulling half my hair out with previous WM phones including the Omnia). I was planning to play around with it and then give it away, but ended up keeping it. And now the TP2 is even better. As with a few other TP2 owners, my biggest question mark will be how the hinge holds up in the long run...a worry that really shouldn't be there for a TP2 owner given that one of the main features of the unit is the flip out keyboard. I guess time will tell. With interesting WM units on the horizon (such as the just announced Samsung Louvre), I have to say I only trust HTC's implementation - they've done the best job of overall engineering with the OS.
One question that I have for fellow TP2 owners...anyone know how to get AEButton to work with it? Can't seem to figure out which buttons are assigned to which...on the HD, the OK button referred to the back arrow button on the unit, but no so on the TP2. Would really like to get AEButton working.
Overall, TP2 along with the Nokia E71 (and HD to a an extent) has been the most pleasantly surprising phone I've used over the last year or so.
Seems like you are from Hong Kong. So my questions is where did you buy, what carrier and what plan? Just curious, that is all. Cheers!
I picked mine up at Wilson in CWB. No plan or carrier, but it's "official" goods. I traded in my CSL Touch HD...had an unlimited data plan packaged with that.
cocoaju said:
Seems like you are from Hong Kong. So my questions is where did you buy, what carrier and what plan? Just curious, that is all. Cheers!
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And the battery? Needs to be charged everyday?
tsaojam said:
BAD:
- no 3.5mm headphone jack. Sure there are ways to get around this, but this should be standard on high-end phones as far as I'm concerned.
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It's interesting about people's expectations on this. I would have said, if anything, the opposite. Should be a standard on low-end phones. High-end phones should expect high-end solutions for audio, IMHO.
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It's interesting about people's expectations on this. I would have said, if anything, the opposite. Should be a standard on low-end phones. High-end phones should expect high-end solutions for audio, IMHO.
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true but 3.5mm jack is universal & just an uppgrade in headphones can make all the difference.
I agree, with the 3.5mm being old tech but one thing tho, HTC's earphones don't really fit my ears that well. Keeps on falling off... LOL. If there were more USB earphones, then I am just as happy. I am sorry to say this but the iPod earphones fits me just fine.
I also like the ear bud style earphones or the B&O earphones, they are nice too .
Shame they don't do it with the USB plugs...
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I picked mine up at Wilson in CWB. No plan or carrier, but it's "official" goods. I traded in my CSL Touch HD...had an unlimited data plan packaged with that.
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I see, I got mine from Voda-Smartone. unlimited internet browsing and 100mb Data. Traded my P3600i in (at last) and only paid $3900 HKD for the phone.
I am keeping my HD which is with CSL.
I thought this phone is gonna come out on CSL but it didn't. Never mind, CSL and Smartone is the same for me, same good receptions.
Did you get an english or chinese version? If you got a english version, do you write chinese? I notice my english version is able to read chinese characters but I can't transcribe chinese words. I hate using the keyboard to write chinese words.
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I see, I got mine from Voda-Smartone. unlimited internet browsing and 100mb Data. Traded my P3600i in (at last) and only paid $3900 HKD for the phone.
I am keeping my HD which is with CSL.
I thought this phone is gonna come out on CSL but it didn't. Never mind, CSL and Smartone is the same for me, same good receptions.
Did you get an english or chinese version? If you got a english version, do you write chinese? I notice my english version is able to read chinese characters but I can't transcribe chinese words. I hate using the keyboard to write chinese words.
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English version...i never input chinese, so the new English OS is perfect for me as i only need to be able to read chinese characters as well.
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English version...i never input chinese, so the new English OS is perfect for me as i only need to be able to read chinese characters as well.
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I see. Same here. I read chinese only most of the time. but it's nice to have. You know what I mean.
What about GPS? What software do you use? Papago or Mapking? Never used it on HD as softwares before weren't compatible with the WVGA screen. Have you installed any?
- gap, slightly poor tolerance in the flip out mechanism of the screen; when actually popped out and flipped, the hinge feels fine so far. It's when the screen is closed that you can sense the slight gap (as mentioned on the forum). So when I tap on the screen or type, you can sense the slight movement of the screen being pushed down. I actually thought it was the vibration feedback at first, but then realized that is was the screen's give. This could definitely annoy those who insist on excellent fit - but I don't mind so much because the fit of the rest of the unit is great, and I actually kind of like how it's almost like haptic feedback as I tap the screen. Having said that, HTC should've paid more attention to the design as the slight play with the screen really doesn't match with the rest of the phone...which is really an excellent piece of hardware and software.
I suggest you to change another one. I've tried several TP2 in shop and some of them have a larger gap than the others. Finally, I picked up a TP2 with a small gap only and didn't notice any (slight) movement when I push the screen/hardware buttons.
I have been thinking about a "fix" to tighten up the phone when closed. The plastic strips on the sides of the keyboard could be a little thicker, and this would tighten up the structure?
Then how much extra have you paid? I'm thinking getting one to replace my X01HT though still in very good condition after two years service. Thanks.
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I picked mine up at Wilson in CWB. No plan or carrier, but it's "official" goods. I traded in my CSL Touch HD...had an unlimited data plan packaged with that.
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- gap, slightly poor tolerance in the flip out mechanism of the screen; when actually popped out and flipped, the hinge feels fine so far. It's when the screen is closed that you can sense the slight gap (as mentioned on the forum). So when I tap on the screen or type, you can sense the slight movement of the screen being pushed down. I actually thought it was the vibration feedback at first, but then realized that is was the screen's give. This could definitely annoy those who insist on excellent fit - but I don't mind so much because the fit of the rest of the unit is great, and I actually kind of like how it's almost like haptic feedback as I tap the screen. Having said that, HTC should've paid more attention to the design as the slight play with the screen really doesn't match with the rest of the phone...which is really an excellent piece of hardware and software.
I suggest you to change another one. I've tried several TP2 in shop and some of them have a larger gap than the others. Finally, I picked up a TP2 with a small gap only and didn't notice any (slight) movement when I push the screen/hardware buttons.
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Thanks for the suggestion, i know what you mean that some units have more of a gap than other models.
Having said that, I'm embarassed to say the gap on my machine isn't that bad...the movement I felt really WAS the haptic feedback...apparently even if you turn it off from TouchFlo, the vibra feedback still applies when I'm using Opera. Not sure if it's a glitch, but that's actually what it happening.
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Then how much extra have you paid? I'm thinking getting one to replace my X01HT though still in very good condition after two years service. Thanks.
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The price is standard at Wilson, how much you can get for trade in will depend on the condition of your trade-in unit.
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I see. Same here. I read chinese only most of the time. but it's nice to have. You know what I mean.
What about GPS? What software do you use? Papago or Mapking? Never used it on HD as softwares before weren't compatible with the WVGA screen. Have you installed any?
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yeah, i know what you mean...i have tons of programs on my TP2 that I never use but it's nice to have...
I've only been using Google Maps. I don't think Mapking is compatiible still...have yet to find a good GPS solution that I like.
I don't think I could trade in my X01HT. I just want to know the trade-in difference between HD and TP2. Thanks.
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The price is standard at Wilson, how much you can get for trade in will depend on the condition of your trade-in unit.
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yeah, i know what you mean...i have tons of programs on my TP2 that I never use but it's nice to have...
I've only been using Google Maps. I don't think Mapking is compatiible still...have yet to find a good GPS solution that I like.
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I have been using google maps as well, but shame there is no voice directions. I have read some users have installed MapKing R12 and it works on the HD. But just looks weird as the images get stretched.
Papago is meant to be good but haven't seen it in action before. Users on uwant.com said it works ok as well. I might check it out later.
I just tested the video capabilities and I am just amazed. I bought an 8GB Class 6 Transcend today at Wilson for under $190 HKD. Went home, inserted the card, transfered my Transformer movie xvid rip, dvd resolution. Played it on Coreplayer 1.3.2. WOW! No dropped frames, sharp pictures and all this without needing to re-encoding.
This upgrade is WELL WORTH IT from the HD. Although I still have the HD with me.
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I have been using google maps as well, but shame there is no voice directions. I have read some users have installed MapKing R12 and it works on the HD. But just looks weird as the images get stretched.
Papago is meant to be good but haven't seen it in action before. Users on uwant.com said it works ok as well. I might check it out later.
I just tested the video capabilities and I am just amazed. I bought an 8GB Class 6 Transcend today at Wilson for under $190 HKD. Went home, inserted the card, transfered my Transformer movie xvid rip, dvd resolution. Played it on Coreplayer 1.3.2. WOW! No dropped frames, sharp pictures and all this without needing to re-encoding.
This upgrade is WELL WORTH IT from the HD. Although I still have the HD with me.
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Can it play .mkv's ....720p ??
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Can it play .mkv's ....720p ??
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CorePlayer Mobile can play mkv, but not TP2 cannot play 720p files properly. Further, it is all a function of the bitrate of the movie.
You'd be well off to watch Lasse's video review on this:
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Practical optimum resolution and bitrate for playback with CorePlayer 1.3 is 640x288 @ 1.6Mb/s for H.264 without major frame dropping. For DivX 720x322 @ 2.0Mb/s.
I know its kind of biased posting on this thread but I wanted your guys honest advice. I am a US AT&T subscriber and have been saving and waiting for the Fortress (TP2) to make its long awaited release. But recently I have been reading reviews and awing at the specs for the Samsung Omnia II and now it has grabbed my attention due to the awesome AMOLED screen, 800 mhz processor, 1900 mhz 3G at&t band etc. In fact the only two faults i can find with that phone are the lack of a hardware keyboard and built in stylus. I was hoping you guys could (unbiasly) voice your comparison of the two devices so you can help me make a definitive decision.
Thanks
Omnia seem to be a very good phone for regular consumer (graphics, gaming, multimedia, 5mp camera). TP2 has been design for business customers (keyboard, noise-cancelling dual microphones and speakers) ...
IMO, both phones are outstanding phones but their purposes are different.
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Omnia seem to be a very good phone for regular consumer (graphics, gaming, multimedia, 5mp camera). TP2 has been design for business customers (keyboard, noise-cancelling dual microphones and speakers) ...
IMO, both phones are outstanding phones but their purposes are different.
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And its for this reason that I am having difficulty choosing. I would most likely use the phone for web surfing, hulu, email etc. (multimedia) but I would also use a stylus frequently for taking quick handwritten notes. So essentially I would be happy with the omnia II if it had a built in stylus (since it can do pretty much anything the TP2 can do except screen tilt).
Have you heard of the Omnia Pro? It doesn't address your stylus concerns, but it does have a keyboard.
Have you considered the Touch HD or Toshiba tg01 (snapdragon but same OmniaII stylus concern)? The 4"+ screen might be nicer for taking handwritten notes. I believe the Touch HD also has a successor on the way, though I can't keep track of all the names out there.
Personally I would never consider one of those keyboardless devices, but different strokes... If multimedia is a big concern of yours, you might wait to see how the TG01 and current devices fare with real flash once it is finalized for winmo (hopefully) this fall. It's hard to know if current processors like TP2/Omnia's will really be able handle Hulu in a pleasing way because Adobe's promised mobile flash solution isn't here yet to test it out.
I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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I'm not sure about the omnia pro, but the omnia II will likely only see a release on Verizon in the fall. The current unlocked model has the 1900 mhz At&t 3g band though.
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is the omnia pro or II coming to ATT soon ?
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I don't think so. I'm pretty sure verizon still has exclusive rights to the omnia family. I say AT&T should propose a trade: give up exclusivity for the iPhone in exchange for exclusivity of the omnia family
screw it, I will probably grab the ATT Fuze (touch pro). It is $99 right now, don't want to spend 200+ on touch pro2
I like the small size of the wing
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I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
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Yes, agree. The stylus hanging outside the phone is a stupid design and that puts me off since the first version of Omnia when it is launch some time back. Guess the N97 also follows the similar stupid design.
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I just watched a video about how bad the omnia 2's screen visibility is under the sun. here: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/omnia-ii-outdoor-screen-visibility
that's one thing that would stop me from buying the omnia 2. and also the fact that the stylus isn't built in so I'd have to carry around that little cylinder thing.
on the other hand, from what I hear about the screen sensitivity, it's almost as good as the TP2 and the TD2, so I feel like the stylus wouldn't be necessary at all. especially considering the fact that samsung has done a great job of skinning WinMo and making the Tocuh Wiz 2.0 UI so finger friendly.
but, despite the faster processor, gorgeous screen (indoors, at least ) and the dual LED flash, I'd still pick the TP2. the TP2's form factor and design (and the fact that I've been waiting 6+ months for it to come out to the states) make it an easy decision for me.
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All AMOLED screens are basically useless in sunlight, not really samsung's fault. I have read this everywhere.
yes amoled screen is useless under direct sunlight....but it consumes less battery
omnia 2 should be compared to diamond 2, not touch pro 2 and i vote for omnia 2 compared to diamond 2..... especially if i have to compare the multimedia part.
tp2 should be compared to omnia pro to be fair.....
Wooh, In my opinion:
I do like the big built-in memory of OmniaII and hate the non-practical small built-in memory of Touch Pro2.
However, I do hate the shortcoming of OmniaII without built-in stylus. I do need the stylus for my Chinese handwriting, also for some traditional software which is not designed for finger friendly.
it's easy for me to buy the Touch pro2 at that time the OmniaII did not come up to market yet.
I'm waiting on both of them, but my leanings are to the Omnia II. The processor and ram put it far ahead IMO. I hardly use a stylus now so I won't miss it, and in regards to visibility outdoors I don't foresee that as being a problem either. The main concern I have is the touch screen keyboard, resistive vs. capacitive in that regard are worlds different. I love the hard keyboard on my titan but for everything else the Omnia II sports I would be willing to give that up...assuming the onscreen keyboard is efficient.
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Well under the specs, the clear choice will be the Omnia 2 in every way.
1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight! Im not sure where people are getting the whole AMOLEDS are bad in sunlight but i have experienced both(cause i have devices with both AMOLEDS and TFT LCD and AMOLEDS are AWESOME in sunlight- you can definitely see the screen and its way better looking than your TFT LCD. Oh and both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere or just buy a pen stylus or use your pen!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8gb, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! SAVE $100 for a 32gb sd card! Samsung wins that
5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
So you see, the Omnia 2 is a better device in almost every way possible. Better screen, better cpu, better internal memory, better camera with video, and better BATTERY! To say its a more business like phone is just silly since they run on WM6.1 and you will get the same apps in either phone. Because the Omnia has an accelerometer you can have the straight talk function on the omnia since that sort of software has been out already. If you really cant live without a keyboard and dual speakers(which btw, is only practical if you are in a conference...and lets face it, how many conferences do you really have?) then maybe the TP2 is for you. But since i run a business and use phones like these frequently, having a pen stylus on hand or just using the end of my pen for instant input is more handy than a built in keyboard. Oh, and because the omnia is supposedly a "multimedia" device im sure the speakers are amazing. So all in all Omnia 2 is a better device is every which way. It is more business like, more social, more multimedia and because they are both WM6.1 you can get all the same apps for either phone.
And i was planning on getting the TP2 when it comes out in tmobile but given the raw data and specs, youd be crazy NOT to get the OMNIA 2. Almost like picking a Nissan than a BENZ. If it comes out in Tmobile i wouldnt think twice about trading in my TP2 for an OMNIA 2.
Samsung Omnia is a better business and multimedia phone. It looks to be an amazing device!
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Well under the specs, the clear choice will be the Omnia 2 in every way.
1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch VWGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight!Both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! Samsung wins that
5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
So you see, the Omnia 2 is a better device in almost every way possible. To say its a more business like phone is just silly since they run on WM6.1 and you will get the same apps in either phone. Because the Omnia has an accelerometer you can have the straight talk function on the omnia since that sort of software has been out already. If you really can live without a keyboard and dual speakers(which btw, is only practical if you are in a conference...and lets face it, how many conferences do you really have?). Oh, and because the omnia is supposedly a "multimedia" device im sure the speakers are amazing. So all in all Omnia 2 is a better device is every which way. It is more business like, more social, more multimedia and because they are both WM6.1 you can get all the same apps for either phone.
Samsung Omnia is a better phone.
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That was terribly biased, you made specific points on the Omina wins and nothing of the TP2 wins. AMOLED is bad outside. You understate the importance of the keyboard and it is the best keyboard out there of any smartphone.
For me its the TP2. Once HTC get some better drivers for graphics and the cooks get to work **** is gonna be off the chain on the TP2
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That was terribly biased, you made specific points on the Omina wins and nothing of the TP2 wins. AMOLED is bad outside. You understate the importance of the keyboard and it is the best keyboard out there of any smartphone.
For me its the TP2. Once HTC get some better drivers for graphics and the cooks get to work **** is gonna be off the chain on the TP2
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Biased? Whats biased is having this discussion on a Rhodium discussion board- thats whats biased. Im a huge supported of HTC devices but its clear as day to look at the Omnia 2 and Touch pro 2 and declare which one is better...OMNIA 2 in every which way and trust me when i tell you AMOLED screens are amazing in sunlight. Amazing. I can see some things with my kaiser or G1 when the brightnes is the highest but with a AMOLED, you see everything and your brightness doesnt need to be high at all. And i tell you this from EXPERIENCE, not some silly video review. Oh, and the keyboard is amazing for TP2 but you cant judge a phone just based on keyboard. But because the Omnia 2 has a 3.7 inch screen, the onboard keyboard is LARGE and will be better for guys with larger fingers, like me(which is why i always look for a phone with a large keyboard like my old phone- the G1 and Kaiser). lol- and the reason why the TP2 doesnt win in each event is because it doesnt match up with the Omnia 2. I forgot to add the OMNIA 2 has dedicated graphics processing for better video taking and gaming and watching video(beats TP2 in contrast- looks much better viewing videos from a larger, better, brighter screen) and with the faster processor you get faster multitasking! COME' ON!
OMNIA 2 wins all the way. HANDS DOWN!
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1- Faster processor for Omnia 2. 800 vs 528- hands down its the 800 processor. You can handle larger apps quicker and handle larger amounts of data quicker! Samsung wins that.
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I agree on this
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2- Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!! Its larger, brighter, and Amoleds are more responsive(1000 times more responsive), and you can actually see the screen under direct sunlight! Im not sure where people are getting the whole AMOLEDS are bad in sunlight but i have experienced both(cause i have devices with both AMOLEDS and TFT LCD and AMOLEDS are AWESOME in sunlight- you can definitely see the screen and its way better looking than your TFT LCD. Oh and both are resistive so you can use a stylus for both.(omnia doesnt come with one but they cost less than $10 anywhere or just buy a pen stylus or use your pen!) So hands down Samsung wins that.
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I'll believe that when I'll see one myself... Everybody say that AMOLEDs screen are not good in direct sunlight tough.
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3- Same wifi, Gps, accelerometer, bluetooth, FM radio, and handwriting recognition(even if it doesnt come with a stylus, just buy one online- like a pen stylus.) Both equal!
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Equal !?!? The fact that we don't have to buy a pen stylus on the TP2 (because it's included) is maybe a minor point, but it's a + for TP2 ... don't you think ?
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4- Internal storage - for Omnia 2 you get 2gb, 8gb, 16gbs! Vs 512mb for TP2....hands down Omnia! SAVE $100 for a 32gb sd card! Samsung wins that
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Don't you think the Omnia 16gbs will cost more than 2gbs model ? Internal storage is not as important as you say... imo at least. I've paid 60$ for a 16 gb microsd 4 month ago (10 mbs transfert rate). But, considering that Omnia as more internal memoy, Samsung wins ...
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5- Camera, video- goes to the Omnia- at 30f/s with flash and vga video conference features. 5mp with dual flash! You have HD, or near HD quality video- 480p!!! Amazing! And we all know what crappy cameras HTC devices make(not all, but most). Samsung wins hands down!
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I agree with on this. Samsung definitely wins this one. But I own a panasonic ZS3 digital camera (its a small point&shoot camera) that can record 720p vids with extremely good quality, so I don't really care about the camera on the cellphone
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5- Both run windows 6.1 OS. Both have 2 unique interfaces that are both excellent and you can get the touchflo 3d cab if you do not like the samsung interface. Both equal.
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Honestly, touchflo 3d is a hell of a good interface...
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6- Samsung has a 3.5mm headphone jack i think which is a plus cause then you dont have to buy an adapter. I have an adapter cause of my older HTC phone- The G1 and kaiser but having a phone that doesnt need an adapter is always a plus! Samsung wins!
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TELUS TP2 has a 3.5mm headphone jack (every CDMA TP2 might have one). So if you own a CDMA version, it's equal, and if you own a GSM version, samsung wins. (Mine is a TELUS' )
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7- TP2 has dual speakerphones which is awesome and dual mics for noise reduction. And TP2 has an amazing slide out keyboard with tilting screen! I fell in love with the kaiser screen and keyboard. I really do not like onscreen keyboards. TP2 handsdowns wins that.
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I agree x100 .. The keyboard, the dual speaker and the dual mic are must-have for every business users in mind.
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8- Battery life for the Omnia is around 10hrs on 3g- which is 4hrs more than the TP2. Because of the AMOLED screen you get a way better battery. Samsung hands downs!
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I don't know the battery life on Omnia so I can't comment this one. Anyway, the battery can be replaced by more powerful one. Both are not damn Iphones
So, if a little bit more colorful screen, faster cpu, more internal storage and better camera (which has only 1.8 mpx more btw) is every for you, go for Omnia. Otherwise, if a perfect keyboard with a tilting screen, dual speakers, dual mics with noise cancelling, CDMA & GSM on the same phone (woldwide edition which I own), then go for the TP2.
Both are extremely good cellphones ! This is only my opinion, nothing more
Did i mention, internal storage means faster loading of apps, files, music, videos, etc- way faster than any micro sd slot which is why flash memory devices are prefered over devices not built with internal storage. Combine the internal storage speed and the fast 800mhz cpu you have super fast rendering of pics, music, video, browsing web, opening apps, opening and editing word documents, excel, pdfs, powerpoint, inventory apps, etc(for business and multimedia freaks). And it has a micro sd slot! The camera also have dual flash and the amoled screen has a faster response time. But when i look at a phone the keyboard, dual speakers and mics, and tilting screen is somewhat important(keyboard is very important) but the dual speakers only work in conference calls.
So if you want people in the streets, malls, house, video store, etc to hear what you want to say then they arent as relevant as one may think. Since they both run WM6.1, the question is- do you want a faster, longer lasting, better, larger, brighter screen, with working FM radio(right out of the box), with better mulimedia functions then the OMNIA 2 is for you. If you want a slower(in compariso to the OMNIA 2), less multimediaish, with a keyboard(excellent), lesser screen (in comparison to OMNIA 2), without working FM radio then the Touch Pro 2 is for you.
To put simply, The Omnia 2 is an iphone with multitasking ability, and advance WM user interface for advanced calendar, to-do list, phone capabilities IMO.
I have read that OLED's are better outdoors, but the little I've seen from previews/reviews on the OMNIAII say that the screen has poor sunlight visibility.
Secondly, if you use a stylus, then having an external one is not the same. It means one more thing to carry, possibly lose, and using a normal pen isn't a good idea (they're not made to prevent scratches on touch screens and can leave ink stains which might take a while to remove). And if you choose to have a stylus dangling from your phone like with the Toshiba G01, it kinda ruins the sleek factor.
What's with the "Better screen for Omnia. 3.7inch WVGA 400x800! AND AMOLED!"? Okay, .1 inches larger, it's better, but not a huge difference, and the resolution is the SAME.
And a slight correction: the dual speakers only work in a conference call, sure, but the dual mics can do their noise cancelling magic in conference calls (you can even choose the level of noise cancellation) and on normal calls, meaning that they DO help in malls, streets, house, video store, etc.
The video recording might be better, but it is NOT nearHD, 480p is VGA or D1 (DVD quality).
I agree that the Samsung Omnia II is better in some respects, but one poster said you were biased, and though maybe you're not, it seems so due to the enthusiasm and slight exagerrations in some cases (I said slight).
And one thing that I find shocking is the observation on phonarena that despite the more powerful processor of the OMNIAII, the homescreen lags, a lot, regularly. As shown in the quote on wmpowerusers:
Despite the beefed up processing power the spinning WinMo beach ball still pops up at times and this is most noticeable on the homescreen. Within the menus we rarely saw it, but flicking from homepage to homepage produces a 5-10 second delay while waiting for the widgets to load, which is infuriating. The widgets are a great idea, and some of them (like AccuWeather and Google) are very helpful, but it’s just not quick enough. Furthermore, we often found ourselves pressing options two and three times to activate them and not being able to drag widgets around unless they were pressed just right. This problem was only in the homescreen (here we really missed HTC’s TouchFLO 3D), throughout the rest of the phone it was very responsive and accurat
The OMNIAII does have the advantage in various fields. But not in all, so in the end it will be up to the individual user what he or she prefers.
Hi. I am sorry if somebody already asked this, but I couldn't find it.
Which one is the best AT&T WP7: Surround, Focus, Quantum?
I am almost sure Focus is the best option. Please shed some light here! Thanks!
It all depends on what you want from a phone. The LG has a full keyboard, The Surround has a sliding speaker system and the Focus would be your average modern smart phone. Personally I chose the Focus because of the 4" amoled display and expandable storage.
Ren13B said:
Personally I chose the Focus because of the 4" amoled display and expandable storage.
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The same for me and its size.
If it's WP7, then none, at least right now.
harolds said:
If it's WP7, then none, at least right now.
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if you're going to post something... at least answer his question. in your opinion it might not be worth buying, but for the many that have, the large majority are happy with it.
harolds said:
If it's WP7, then none, at least right now.
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I love my focus its OS makes the rest look old and dated.
falconeight said:
I love my focus its OS makes the rest look old and dated.
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I totaly agree the focus is the way to go i have 40 gb storage and the os is so much smoother than the rest and the interface makes ios and android look very old. I compaired my focus to my sons iphione4 last night and the iphone 4 side by side was no comparrison from the apps, to the lock screen, intergration, to the homescreen. or even something as simple as answering or rejecting a call from the lockscreen... since people are always complaing about what should be in a os in these days being able to reject a call from lockscreen is one of the most basic and til this day ios still cannot do it... I never heard anyone complaining about this??
I bought the Surround. It was more of personal preference about the look and feel of the device. To me, the Surround looked and felt better.. i liked the soft touch back and the solid heavy feel, and really consider the speaker as just a bonus feature as it only adds 1mm of thickness compared to the identical HTC Trophy. The Focus' Super AMOLED screen was amazing, but I didnt like the glossy plastic look. Its all personal preference and what you are looking for in a phone.
I'd agree with Ren13B. If you need a work phone and plan to write 50+ emails (or you are a teenager and need to send 100+ texts) a day, LG would be a better buy for the keyboard.
If you need a better speakerphone or speakers and don't mind a little bulk, Surround is the one. Also, I have seen Surround going for less at Amazon and Newegg so that's another reason.
For everything else, Focus seems to be the best fit.
rexian said:
I'd agree with Ren13B. If you need a work phone and plan to write 50+ emails (or you are a teenager and need to send 100+ texts) a day, LG would be a better buy for the keyboard.
If you need a better speakerphone or speakers and don't mind a little bulk, Surround is the one. Also, I have seen Surround going for less at Amazon and Newegg so that's another reason.
For everything else, Focus seems to be the best fit.
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that would be a true statement if this was the keyboard of wimdows 6.5 or anything less than wp7 the on screen keyboard is simply unbleavable with its auto correct feature and a 4inch screen you can type as fast if not faster that any hw keyboard... it works that well...
Chose Focus due to memory expansion, screen, and size/quality.
It is interesting to note that, unlike iMapple, the WP7 seems to all have great reception. Have noticed the Samsung Focus has better cell reception than the HTC Fuze and various other HTC/Motorola phones from the past.
I went with the surround. NOTE: I did come from a Samsung Captivate
I went with the surround because:
-better build quality
-nice speaker
-kickstand is nice to have when watching netflix (lol)
-I like HTC over samsung
-Samsung focus felt too flimsy and cheap for me
-Samsung scared me after some of the issues of the captivate (im sure samsung and windows did a better job on the focus, this is just how i feel)
on the other hand though,
SAMOLED is nice, and I do miss, but at the same time the LCD of the Surround is good, but the main thing you are missing is not screen quality, but battery life. I havent had a chance to put my battery to the test, but im sure SAMOLED will trump the HTCs LCD.
The "best" on, of course, depends on what you want from your phone. Personally, I've been burned by lousy hardware from HTC and LG before (several times) and I'm a big Slingplayer user so the large screen, light weight and slim design of the Samsung Focus appealed to me. The other two have are stronger in other areas. Check the specs of each and/or go play with them at an AT&T and decide for yourself.
MarcMaiden said:
I went with the surround. NOTE: I did come from a Samsung Captivate
I went with the surround because:
-better build quality
-nice speaker
-kickstand is nice to have when watching netflix (lol)
-I like HTC over samsung
-Samsung focus felt too flimsy and cheap for me
-Samsung scared me after some of the issues of the captivate (im sure samsung and windows did a better job on the focus, this is just how i feel)
on the other hand though,
SAMOLED is nice, and I do miss, but at the same time the LCD of the Surround is good, but the main thing you are missing is not screen quality, but battery life. I havent had a chance to put my battery to the test, but im sure SAMOLED will trump the HTCs LCD.
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Buyer's remorse no more, check out this page from anandtech:
anandtech.com/show/3982/windows-phone-7-review/28
rruffman said:
that would be a true statement if this was the keyboard of wimdows 6.5 or anything less than wp7 the on screen keyboard is simply unbleavable with its auto correct feature and a 4inch screen you can type as fast if not faster that any hw keyboard... it works that well...
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I don't know if the kb on the 4" Focus screen will make a significant difference or not, I can say I type faster hands down on my Fuze than my iPhone, which according to some have the best on-screen kb.
I have seen videos of people typing insanely fast on iPhone but I think they'd be even faster on a good h/w keyboard like Fuze.
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Buyer's remorse no more, check out this page from anandtech:
anandtech.com/show/3982/windows-phone-7-review/28
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For long sessions of browsing webpages with white background or emails, there is no doubt AMOLED screen of Focus will drain the battery faster. I wonder if there will be a way in future to change the background/foreground of the browser / email client inWP7.