does anybody know or has anyone heard anything about the touch pro 2 on at&t? when i saw HTC's leaked '09 lineup, it said the barium was for at&t, and the barium looks like the TP2. i read on the at&t forum that the barium indeed is the TP2 for at&t. if this is true i really hope it doesnt look the way it did in the leak. i hope it looks just like the TP2 on the htc website. i mean cmon, the barium has a green keyboard! anyway, if anyone knows of any tips or has any info, please reply!
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does anybody know or has anyone heard anything about the touch pro 2 on at&t? when i saw HTC's leaked '09 lineup, it said the barium was for at&t, and the barium looks like the TP2. i read on the at&t forum that the barium indeed is the TP2 for at&t. if this is true i really hope it doesnt look the way it did in the leak. i hope it looks just like the TP2 on the htc website. i mean cmon, the barium has a green keyboard! anyway, if anyone knows of any tips or has any info, please reply!
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LOL sorry but dont worry I dought that it will have a green keybaord, but if it does... lol
but I think T-mobile messed up the design too but it seems more realistic, but like seriously why do they do tha?t HTC knows what they're doing you don't have to make the design worse to make the phone nique, but oh well I wich t-mobile didnt mess up the back, and also the front doesnt look NEARLY as good either, and in leaked pics they took off the crhome part on the side, like OMG THEY COMPLETELY RUINED THE FRAME but oh well, I guess its not that it looks bad its just that it looks ugly next to the original touch pro 2 but lol i still dont think the [email protected] version will have a green keyboard
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LOL sorry but dont worry I dought that it will have a green keybaord, but if it does... lol
but I think T-mobile messed up the design too but it seems more realistic, but like seriously why do they do tha?t HTC knows what they're doing you don't have to make the design worse to make the phone nique, but oh well I wich t-mobile didnt mess up the back, and also the front doesnt look NEARLY as good either, and in leaked pics they took off the crhome part on the side, like OMG THEY COMPLETELY RUINED THE FRAME but oh well, I guess its not that it looks bad its just that it looks ugly next to the original touch pro 2 but lol i still dont think the [email protected] version will have a green keyboard
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man I really hope it doesn't have a green keyboard. I looked at pics of other carriers too, including AT&T. it doesn't even look like the front facing camera is there anymore. and the back doesn't look anything like the HTC branded model. I like the whole grille thing! and the silver back with black front. if carriers wanna make the phones they release unique, they shouldn't change so much of the hardware and the appearance. like you said, HTC's phones are already well-designed. but the carriers mess them up.
and link278, you're lucky! tmobile is the first carrier to announce the TP2 (supposedly) I hope AT&T is next!! I need an upgrade
are u talking about this pic?
I hope they dont do that because this phone is supposed to be targeted towards enterprise (business) and making it green gives it a childish look. regardless, i'd still buy it.
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are u talking about this pic?
I hope they dont do that because this phone is supposed to be targeted towards enterprise (business) and making it green gives it a childish look. regardless, i'd still buy it.
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yep. that picture. yeah I agree I will still buy when it comes out (I already saved up enough money ). but they better not make it green. you reassured me I didn't really think about the business aspect of it.
I just wish I knew when exactly it would hit us AT&T users. I'm getting anxious
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and link278, you're lucky! tmobile is the first carrier to announce the TP2 (supposedly) I hope AT&T is next!! I need an upgrade
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thanks but look at these pic:
that d474rpr put up, like really t-mobile did mess up the back too
http://d474rpr.com/?p=120
adn they messed up the front too:
http://www.brighthand.com/assets/9982.jpg
and according to this the front and back wasnt enough they had to mess up the side too:
http://www.new-cell-phones.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/htc-tungsten-cell-phone-t-mobile.jpg
I loved the original design why do carriers have to mess up the designs?
but like fone_fanatic said I will still get it lol.
but if it had a green keybaord, (which I am pretty sure wont happen) I would stick with my tilt till something better looking came around cause that would look really stuiped and kinda ugly it doesnt make sence to have a black sleek phone and then this dull green keybaord i nthe middle of it, I really like the metallic black and silver, that's my favorite color combo but whatever its not that bad its just disapointing I guess I could live with it. (The t-mobile design not a green keyboard lol)
No US carrier has announced the TP2 except Sprint and they were just internal sheets. Now, someone who leaked a few release dates for T-Mobile seems to be right on par. The HTC maple (July 1) just entered the FCC and seems to match up with was has been expected. The TP2 has yet to show anything at the FCC except a European/Asian model. Why the FCC has stats on a foreign model phone, I don't know but whatever. It seems if July 22nd is the correct date... T-Mobile will be the first to release the TP2 (the first "first" in US carrier history, lol)
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thanks but look at these pic:
that d474rpr put up, like really t-mobile did mess up the back too
http://d474rpr.com/?p=120
adn they messed up the front too:
http://www.brighthand.com/assets/9982.jpg
and according to this the front and back wasnt enough they had to mess up the side too:
http://www.new-cell-phones.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/htc-tungsten-cell-phone-t-mobile.jpg
I loved the original design why do carriers have to mess up the designs?
but like fone_fanatic said I will still get it lol.
but if it had a green keybaord, (which I am pretty sure wont happen) I would stick with my tilt till something better looking came around cause that would look really stuiped and kinda ugly it doesnt make sence to have a black sleek phone and then this dull green keybaord i nthe middle of it, I really like the metallic black and silver, that's my favorite color combo but whatever its not that bad its just disapointing I guess I could live with it. (The t-mobile design not a green keyboard lol)
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What stood out to me on those pics at least was that the front facing camera is still there. However, that may just be a European T-Mobile thing. Still, I'm a little positive about it. That front facing camera could affect my next choice of carrier.
This is one of the reasons I am coming off T-Mobile and going to but the pro2 unbranded. They have to mess with everything and turn everything on your phone pink. I don't even like pink as a colour.
it's not only tmobile that messes around with phones' appearance. all carriers LOVE to make the phones unique, when HTC has already designed them well. I'm gonna buy the phone regardless; I just hope the keyboard isn't some wacked out color like green or pink or whatever.
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This is one of the reasons I am coming off T-Mobile and going to but the pro2 unbranded. They have to mess with everything and turn everything on your phone pink. I don't even like pink as a colour.
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lol t-mobile isnt making it pink its gonna be all black
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it's not only tmobile that messes around with phones' appearance. all carriers LOVE to make the phones unique, when HTC has already designed them well. I'm gonna buy the phone regardless; I just hope the keyboard isn't some wacked out color like green or pink or whatever.
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I know I still want it too, I guess it still looks pretty nice, and alot better than a kaiser, but honestly, why do they have to make it unique by making it look worse? Like seriously HTC does know what they are doing why doesnt t-mobile just stick to giving people reception and puttign there name on the phone I dont mind T-mobile written on the phone but it looked so nice before, it had chrome on the sides, metalic black front and they ruined the buttons on hte fron too even thought its still metalic black, and also the back doesnt look nearly as good but oh well I should just be happy that it actually is coming to t-mobile but the original design made it the best looking phone that I have ever seen.
The TP2 is definitely in the cards for me as soon as it becomes available for AT&T. Has anyone seen a posted specualtion on that arrival date? I believe I read somewhere it could be as late as November for the TP2 from AT&T. If it is that long away... at least that gives me more time to save up some money. Because when it is launched for AT&T, and if it is green as the Barium pics show, that's enough to make me pay double the price to have HTC's unbranded clean looking version. If AT&T doesn't hack it up, then I'll be glad to purchase it through them.
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The TP2 is definitely in the cards for me as soon as it becomes available for AT&T. Has anyone seen a posted specualtion on that arrival date? I believe I read somewhere it could be as late as November for the TP2 from AT&T. If it is that long away... at least that gives me more time to save up some money. Because when it is launched for AT&T, and if it is green as the Barium pics show, that's enough to make me pay double the price to have HTC's unbranded clean looking version. If AT&T doesn't hack it up, then I'll be glad to purchase it through them.
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i haven't heard anything regarding a definite release date for the TP2 on AT&T. but i have heard rumors that it will come out around the same time of the year that the tilt came out, which is october/november. it's late, but as long as it comes out i'm fine with it. like you said, it'll give us time to save up money. this phone IS coming out for AT&T right? Tilt 2??
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are u talking about this pic?
I hope they dont do that because this phone is supposed to be targeted towards enterprise (business) and making it green gives it a childish look. regardless, i'd still buy it.
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More hippie/hacker than childish, but either way your point stands. I don't mind the back too much personally, but that keyboard is over the top. I'd prefer something a little more subtle.
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man I really hope it doesn't have a green keyboard. I looked at pics of other carriers too, including AT&T. it doesn't even look like the front facing camera is there anymore. and the back doesn't look anything like the HTC branded model. I like the whole grille thing! and the silver back with black front. if carriers wanna make the phones they release unique, they shouldn't change so much of the hardware and the appearance. like you said, HTC's phones are already well-designed. but the carriers mess them up.
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The reason there is no front-facing camera on the TP2 is because no US carrier supports video calling.. yet
Are there any specs for the barium, yet? Like, does the screen tilt? tv-out?etc.?
i've been really curious about something: whats the deal with sim unlocked phones? if i buy a TP2 sim unlocked, i'd be able to use it with any carrier that has a sim card, correct? but my question is, would i be able to use the carriers bands with the phone? like, if i buy the TP2 and transfer my sim card from my tilt to the TP2, would i still get at&t's 3G network? i've never actually known the answer to this :/
It depends if the phone has the compatible frequencies. It usually will have the correct 3G frequencies if it's officially released in that country. Like the Kaiser has support for every frequency set you'd ever need, because it was released internationally, unlike the Touch HD, for example. I'm planning to buy my Touch Pro2 unlocked this time, so I don't have to put up with stupid AT&T. They always manage to ruin the devices in some way, whether it be the keyboard, the color, the Manilla 3D, or the bloatware, or some other travesty.
And, after rambling for a good paragraph or so, the short answer is yes, it should work on AT&T's 3G bands because it's being officially released in the US (confirmed by HTC on its twitter account).
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I read this article on BGR today about a "color refresh" TMobile put out recently. Does anybody have one of the black Dash's ?!
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/12/22/t-mobile-dash-in-black-floating-around/
i've seen this story posted on engadget & pocketnow. interesting. i hope it's true & has 3g support ;-)
Well if you read the comments, people say it's JUST a color update and nothing more. It's still cool and I wouldn't mind owning one
Its just a color refresh. Nothing new except different color and slightly different color keyboard color. My local T-Mo has them, frankly they look like crap I was very disappointed.
Looks like my excalibur in a black silicone case
Seems to me the owners are going to be dealing with a lot more of this:
"Nice Blackberry!"
"Well actually..."
Freakin annoying.
I had one of those for a while now... nothing spectacular about it really...
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Seems to me the owners are going to be dealing with a lot more of this:
"Nice Blackberry!"
"Well actually..."
Freakin annoying.
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Yeah i second that, my friend calls it a [email protected] all the time. Stupid iphone user lol
The first time I saw this on All Shadow i fell to my knees and wept at its beauty.
Haha that is funny, kind weird how many ppl ask if my dash is a blackberry...
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Haha that is funny, kind weird how many ppl ask if my dash is a blackberry...
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I always tell them blackberry's are for kids.. this is an adults phone
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Looks like my excalibur in a black silicone case
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LOL, same here it looks almost identical
I've had a chance to manhandle the fake demo phone we got at my T-mo store, and it's a pretty alright cosmetic change. I don't like my companies logo on my Dash, and have been contemplating scrubbing it off; but with the new Dash it doesn't work because of the rubber face, and that pink T REALLY sticks out on the black.
From what I've been told, and what we're expecting, it's going to be windows mobile 6.1. We should have the real phones unboxed soon (my manager won't let us TOUCH them until the original phones are gone ((one left!!)) so we can't see it).
SO if it is, we all should have an official windows mobile 6.1 rom from T-mobile soon, and hopefully it'll clean things up.
I would love for someone to debrand it after they dump it though. Just a thought.
Keep you guys posted!
stellarvelocity
Thanks for your info.
Interesting. I see that the dash is not on t-mobile.com right this moment...
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Interesting. I see that the dash is not on t-mobile.com right this moment...
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Hmm maybe that's a good thing
stellarvelocity said:
I've had a chance to manhandle the fake demo phone we got at my T-mo store, and it's a pretty alright cosmetic change. I don't like my companies logo on my Dash, and have been contemplating scrubbing it off; but with the new Dash it doesn't work because of the rubber face, and that pink T REALLY sticks out on the black.
From what I've been told, and what we're expecting, it's going to be windows mobile 6.1. We should have the real phones unboxed soon (my manager won't let us TOUCH them until the original phones are gone ((one left!!)) so we can't see it).
SO if it is, we all should have an official windows mobile 6.1 rom from T-mobile soon, and hopefully it'll clean things up.
I would love for someone to debrand it after they dump it though. Just a thought.
Keep you guys posted!
stellarvelocity
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That could be a great thing. Definitely need a dump
It looks like it is confirmed Windows Mobile 6.1:
http://thetechnicist.typepad.com/the_technicist/2008/12/tmobile-dash-black-hands-on.html
(as reported today by Engadget and The Technicist).
The biggest question now is if it comes with the sliding panel homepage. The screen shot printed on the fake phone, and these screens, still show the Windows Mobile Default Homescreen.
The other big thing I'm hoping you awesome modders can do is rip the UMA drivers out of the upcoming UMA Shadow II. If we can get an official Tmo 6.1 with hotspot calling I'd declare it a Happy New Year next month.
thetechnicist is claiming that the Dash is outdated, but we don't have 3g in my area yet, so the little bugger is still a piece of gold IMOP, especially over crackberrys as long as I get that UMA.
Hrm
So if this updated Dash has WinMo 6.1 would there be away to get a somewhat official rom to put on our original Dash(s)?
My fiance actually has one. It by default does not have the sliding panel home page. When she get's home I'll see if it's available on there at all. Looking at the frequencies on the box, 850, 900, 1800, 1900, I don't think it's 3G (1700 is what tmo is using?). From what I can tell it truely is unchanged hardware wise.
I didn't think it was 6.1 at all since it didn't have the instant messanger styled text messaging interface, or is that a different app baked into the 6.1 firmware I put on my Shadow? Anything else anyone wants me to look at? Any certainty if flashing it with any of the 6.1 firmwares will work?
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Phone is home, it is not 6.1.
What version of 6.0 is it running?
Looks like the much needed update to the Excalibur, and it's actually going to be picked up by a carrier (most likely AT&T due to the 3G spectrum). It boasts a lot of improved features, it almost seems impossible to fit all of that into a phone that size.
http://i.gizmodo.com/5192944/htc-snap-looks-like-beautiful-black-berry-bold
I personally like it, it retains the beauty of the original phone that just wasn't captured with the Cavalier (read: the Cavalier is ugly).
And WinMo 6.1 to boot!
Wasnt this branded as the HTC Maple? I saw this on BGR's website too. Looks nice, but only a 2MP camera.
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Looks like the much needed update to the Excalibur, and it's actually going to be picked up by a carrier (most likely AT&T due to the 3G spectrum). It boasts a lot of improved features, it almost seems impossible to fit all of that into a phone that size.
http://i.gizmodo.com/5192944/htc-snap-looks-like-beautiful-black-berry-bold
I personally like it, it retains the beauty of the original phone that just wasn't captured with the Cavalier (read: the Cavalier is ugly).
And WinMo 6.1 to boot!
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Yes, yes, this is old news, we have been talking about this phone for a while, it was called the HTC Maple, and I'm not surprised at them for changing the name. That doesn't mean it won't be called the Maple anymore, like the excalibur , dash , s620 , whatever they want to call it, depending on the carrier, will be the name it will have. But still old news. Just cause it has 3g doesn't mean ATT will be the only one to pick it up, everyone else is already running 3g(unless you're with a company that doesn't) TMO already with 3g and so is Sprint and Verizon.
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Wasnt this branded as the HTC Maple? I saw this on BGR's website too. Looks nice, but only a 2MP camera.
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It still a nice phone and a 2mp camera is not so bad.
Here are some more pics: http://mobilitysite.com/2009/04/hands-on-with-the-htc-snap/
Looks great, and can't wait to get my hands on it. I can see some potential problems brewing.... I manually lock my phone (hold the end call button), and looks like I wil be turning my phone off out of habit for awhile with the Snap.
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Yes, yes, this is old news, we have been talking about this phone for a while, it was called the HTC Maple, and I'm not surprised at them for changing the name. That doesn't mean it won't be called the Maple anymore, like the excalibur , dash , s620 , whatever they want to call it, depending on the carrier, will be the name it will have. But still old news. Just cause it has 3g doesn't mean ATT will be the only one to pick it up, everyone else is already running 3g(unless you're with a company that doesn't) TMO already with 3g and so is Sprint and Verizon.
It still a nice phone and a 2mp camera is not so bad.
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looks nice
It´s very nice!
Hope can upgrade my contract with this candy
There was a thread about this already like 2 months ago.
Now im gettin exiting cant wait for this gettin one for sure. heres another link to a hands on reveiw with more pics! http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/01/htc-snap-hands-on/
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Now im gettin exiting cant wait for this gettin one for sure. heres another link to a hands on reveiw with more pics! http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/01/htc-snap-hands-on/
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dis phone is sexy
im freakin pumped man i want one of thses so bad
how much will it cost?
Perhaps it's just me, but is this phone anything more than a Dash with 6.1, 3G and a roller? I read somewhere that HTC plans to offer this phone unlocked and retail. I'm guessing that within a couple months of release, this will fall under the "free phone with contract" category.
I see no reason to get locked into a contact for this phone. My current contract is up in a few days (which means I've had my Dash for 2 years!). I'm going to wait for WM7 or until my Dash goes tits up, as the Dash (with Ricky and Stylez Rose 6.1) serves my current needs just fine. Don't get me wrong, looks great, but not really worthy of "OMG I GOTTA GET THAT ASAP!".
I sort of agree.
The more I see it the more I dislike it, I think it looks too much like a blackberry for my taste, and that phone should only be coming out with wm 6.5, not 6.1. Is not really that much of an upgrade if it will have the same stuff that I have on my dash right now. Anyways the way I see it I'm pointing on a different direction, for me it will be either a HTC Tilt(Kaiser) or a HTC touch pro (Fuze) next.
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The more I see it the more I dislike it, I think it looks too much like a blackberry for my taste, and that phone should only be coming out with wm 6.5, not 6.1. Is not really that much of an upgrade if it will have the same stuff that I have on my dash right now. Anyways the way I see it I'm pointing on a different direction, for me it will be either a HTC Tilt(Kaiser) or a HTC touch pro (Fuze) next.
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roloracer,
I was waiting for people to see this as peeps are now, it's an SPV c550 that's bit hit by a steam roler and had a little joysticky thing or whatever you want to call it.
I watched the vidoe that was posted and ended up looking @ the sea and the sky, did see a bit about a phone, but guess what bit i remember now? You got it the sky & the sand sea
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roloracer,
I was waiting for people to see this as peeps are now, it's an SPV c550 that's bit hit by a steam roler and had a little joysticky thing or whatever you want to call it.
I watched the vidoe that was posted and ended up looking @ the sea and the sky, did see a bit about a phone, but guess what bit i remember now? You got it the sky & the sand sea
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That's funny that you say that If you look at an SPV c550 and imagine it being flatten up by a steam roler it would look like the maple , When I saw the video myself, found my eyes wondering around the room uncontrollably.
OP should make this a poll,
1. I want one
2. I stand patriotic
3. I think it looks like an spv c550 hit by a steam roller
All bases covered
any word on memory upgrades?
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any word on memory upgrades?
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It says to include 128MB RAM, 256MB ROM and a 528MHz Qualcomm 7225 Processor, that's what the're saying.
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It says to include 128MB RAM, 256MB ROM and a 528MHz Qualcomm 7225 Processor, that's what the're saying.
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And M$ are going to underclock it to 450MHz as they read XDA and have seen all the i overclocked and my phone wont boot messages
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/06/04/atandts-htc-touch-pro2-hits-the-fcc/
Great! Does anyone remember how long the time frame was for the Fuze from when it was approved by the FCC to when it was finally released?
doctajay said:
Great! Does anyone remember how long the time frame was for the Fuze from when it was approved by the FCC to when it was finally released?
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According to Engadget, on September 8th. If they move at the same speed, then we should see the TP2 around August 5th.
This great news!! i'll hope we'll get it on before august... but there is not pics of it yet.. right?
OMG YAY!!!
OMG OMG OMG
I'm SOOO HAPPY!!!
w00t!!
Hopefully it comes through quick... Sometimes things things can be up for sale within two or three weeks of clearing the FCC, but honestly, now that I know for sure it's coming to AT&T I can be patient. Had been getting very anxious with only the sketchy German inside papers to believe in.
I love my Kaiser, but I'll be happy to throw it on eBay once I have my TP2 in hand!
does this version support att 3g tho , or is it just a rebranded eruro version
It will support 3G but they have completed screwed up the keyboard. I've heard it being called the HTC Fortress. I dunno if they will keep that name but i doubt it
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It will support 3G but they have completed screwed up the keyboard. I've heard it being called the HTC Fortress. I dunno if they will keep that name but i doubt it
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This is exactly why i got the Euro version. I use wifi 97% of the time anyway so not really missing 3g plus with all of you all on 3g my edge runs faster lol
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It will support 3G but they have completed screwed up the keyboard. I've heard it being called the HTC Fortress. I dunno if they will keep that name but i doubt it
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I'm sure AT&T will find some silly name for it... Where'd you hear about the keyboard? You have some news for us?
i kinda find it hard to believe that AT&T would mess up the keyboard THAT much. That might just be a quick photoshop moc-up or some such. IF they to stick with that ugly keyboard design, i doubt they will sell many of them.
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I'm sure AT&T will find some silly name for it... Where'd you hear about the keyboard? You have some news for us?
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I've seen the info at engadget and pocketnow but i think pocketnow got it from engadget. I'm pretty sure they will screw up the keyboard pretty bad same as they did with the original touch pro.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/24/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/
Man, you guys are way late on the keyboard stuff.
Here's the thread that started May 24th on this. Check post #25 for my personal mythbusters before getting all worked up over the Fortress picture...
Not to mention there's no buttons specific to ATT found on that keyboard. Frankly I don't care of the letter layout, as long as it keeps the spaced out keys.
Now I just have to decide if I want to keep my HTC Touch HD or sell it for a TP2. I still have to sell my treo 750. I did just upgrade the rom to WM 6.5 and it is working pretty good. I want to see some difinitive pics of the AT&T version first. They always seem to mess up a good thing.
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Man, you guys are way late on the keyboard stuff.
Here's the thread that started May 24th on this. Check post #25 for my personal mythbusters before getting all worked up over the Fortress picture...
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I'm with you... I see no reason to believe that is the final keyboard layout.
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Man, you guys are way late on the keyboard stuff.
Here's the thread that started May 24th on this. Check post #25 for my personal mythbusters before getting all worked up over the Fortress picture...
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Uhhh i wouldn't say that you shouldn't be expecting a keyboard change. Whether it will be the severe i dunno but it will get a keyboard change that will suck. If you look at att/cingular history they either leave the keyboard alone(which is rare) or they mess it up. I think the only they improved with the wizard (Cingular 8125). I think they left the tytn and the tytn2's keyboard the same and then they ruined the touch pros. I would say expect the worst and hope for the best.
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Uhhh i wouldn't say that you shouldn't be expecting a keyboard change. Whether it will be the severe i dunno but it will get a keyboard change that will suck. If you look at att/cingular history they either leave the keyboard alone(which is rare) or they mess it up. I think the only they improved with the wizard (Cingular 8125). I think they left the tytn and the tytn2's keyboard the same and then they ruined the touch pros. I would say expect the worst and hope for the best.
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I guess I should've been more clear. I meant you can expect a change from the picture that was leaked. But if you can take anything from history then they're likely to change it from the way it was designed by HTC too.
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I guess I should've been more clear. I meant you can expect a change from the picture that was leaked. But if you can take anything from history then they're likely to change it from the way it was designed by HTC too.
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perhaps, but even with their history, i don't think ATT has ever changed the Psychical design of the keyboard, just changed what the keys themselves do. It would cost them too much time and money to 'redesign' the keyboard itself for it to have a different psychical layout. Changing whats printed on the keys is one thing, psychically moving them around is quite another.
So while i expect they will have different keys, programmed differently on their own version, im pretty sure the original layout, spacing and all, will remain intact, so it will resemble sprint/t-mobile versions with all their ATT crap on it instead. Now, given their history, they will likely change the top row numbers in to their own BS system of whatever they want to put their, and program the numbers as Fn of other keys, just make it more annoying for everyone..
In retrospect, i dont see ATT changing the phone anymore than sprint has with their color scheme and back cover. (which while it looks different, its not something that HTC has to make a new manufacturing line for)
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Uhhh i wouldn't say that you shouldn't be expecting a keyboard change. Whether it will be the severe i dunno but it will get a keyboard change that will suck. If you look at att/cingular history they either leave the keyboard alone(which is rare) or they mess it up. I think the only they improved with the wizard (Cingular 8125). I think they left the tytn and the tytn2's keyboard the same and then they ruined the touch pros. I would say expect the worst and hope for the best.
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k lol cause I got worried and thought you had some new info when you said:
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It will support 3G but they have completed screwed up the keyboard.
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Hopefully if it's just speculation we can put the keyboard to rest for a bit till we get some info?
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perhaps, but even with their history, i don't think ATT has ever changed the Psychical design of the keyboard, just changed what the keys themselves do. It would cost them too much time and money to 'redesign' the keyboard itself for it to have a different psychical layout. Changing whats printed on the keys is one thing, psychically moving them around is quite another.
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I can say that is true since att didn't change the wizards keyboard design it was cingular that did.
I just read this one from htc blogger. Does anyone know if this has any truth to it? I have to know and need to get one before my Sept trip.
http://htcblogger.com/2009/07/08/htc-fortress-warhawk-to-be-released-by-att-in-august/
hmmm interesting find...
there may be some truth to this, taking into consideration the fact that another member in another thread got some information that the TP2 would be coming out 6-8 weeks after the iPhone 3G S comes out.
however, if that rumor is true, and this article as well, then that means that it got pushed back a little.
no one can really tell you if it's 100% true or not, sorry. but it seems plausible.
The touch pro 2 should come out a week or two around the time of the tmobile release which is scheduled 12 august. So seems plausible.
If that happens the question would be:
Wich one of the 2 (att&t or tmob) will have the less ugly version?
If is the one on the pic I think At&t will win...
p.s Did I read well??
WM 7 refresh awarded with sept 09 launching date???
Mmmmmm...... not sure about that...........
No way.......
Please say it ain't so that the pic of that Fortress is the actual/final product. If so then I think I'm gonna jump ship to Tmo because At&t just screwed up one of the biggest selling points for me. I loved the offsetted keyboard and the spaciousness of the layout, even though the color wasn't at all appealing, I'd still be able to stomach it as long as they didn't mess with the original layout too much. I really hope thats not the final product. BTW, I've been wondering, who came up with these names for Att? It feels like either they let kids do it or they just put a bunch of names in a hat and pic one.
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If that happens the question would be:
Wich one of the 2 (att&t or tmob) will have the less ugly version?
If is the one on the pic I think At&t will win...
p.s Did I read well??
WM 7 refresh awarded with sept 09 launching date???
Mmmmmm...... not sure about that...........
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from the rumors i've read WM7 requires capacitive screens. and more powa then the TP2 has on tap. Ala snapdragon or tegra.
i still get the funny notion WM7 has been ready for awhile now and is based off of Windows 7, and MS has just been waiting for the hardware to catch up.
i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4459
wonder if the back cover the sprint version will fit on other TP2's
poppinpengawen said:
no one can really tell you if it's 100% true or not, sorry. but it seems plausible.
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The only part that doesn't smell right to me is that we still haven't seen the ATT version in the flesh, just the hackish and apparently outdated promo QWERTZ numpad version from who knows when. I get that ATT is full-tilt iPhone-obsessed, but if we were that close to release, I'd still think we'd have seen some real life pics from it the way we have for sprint, verizon and tmo.
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i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
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I actually like the look of sprint better than the european unlocked version. That chrome just seems like unnecessary shiny for a business class device.
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from the rumors i've read WM7 requires capacitive screens. and more powa then the TP2 has on tap. Ala snapdragon or tegra.
i still get the funny notion WM7 has been ready for awhile now and is based off of Windows 7, and MS has just been waiting for the hardware to catch up.
i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4459
wonder if the back cover the sprint version will fit on other TP2's
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I´m agree
So, then then blog and info are false....
And yes Sprint is the less ugly....
These pics have been out since late May from engadget. It would be usual for T-Mobile to launch their ver in late July and att launch theirs in August. Typically, there is a six-month gap for exclusivity on new products, but given today’s market$ who knows.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/
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Typically, there is a six-month gap for exclusivity on new products, but given today’s market$ who knows.
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No one bought exclusivity for the TP2.
looks like Telstra Next G in Australia will be out before AT & T for an 850 UMTS/WCDMA Touch Pro 2. July 22nd is the date
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/07/six-new-nextg-phones-unveiled/
I just hope that old Fortress pic from Engadget's not the final product. Please, oh lawd.
the warhawk looks way better than the fortress.... hell its way sexier than the gsm version as well
the spreadsheet was leaked will most likely NOT be the final product. ATT has a history of messing with their phones' hardware, but I don't think they'll make that mistake here.
and i've heard of an august 17 release date and an august 24th release date, so it seems like it really will be coming out a week or 2 after T-MO's
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looks like Telstra Next G in Australia will be out before AT & T for an 850 UMTS/WCDMA Touch Pro 2. July 22nd is the date
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/07/six-new-nextg-phones-unveiled/
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yea it would work but ATT runs mostly on 1900 and they are expanding their 850...its better to have both. i guess 850 is better than nothing right.
ATT usually mess up on their Keyboard but we always learn to adapt and make good use of it...one thing though they keep the original exterior design ala tilt minus front camera and ala Fuze eith the diamond battery case and all...
i rather they have the same exterior design and ill adapt to the keyboard rather then they change it like Tmobile did (it looks cheap with the 4 buttons sticking out) and spring change their touch pro as well which i dont like...
just my opinion
God i hope the fortress' keyboard isnt red. How gay is that. Its a business phone for gods sake.
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God i hope the fortress' keyboard isnt red. How gay is that. Its a business phone for gods sake.
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99% of the customers who purchase this phone will not use it as a business device.
I won't use it as a business phone.
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99% of the customers who purchase this phone will not use it as a business device.
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true as it maybe, that isn't necessarily his point. He is merely stating that, this phone was designed, and being marketed for, business users, regardless if thats how it ends up being used or not.
I agree tho, the Red is ugly.
Looks like we have a verified date (which pretty much everyone's seen) for T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
http://htcpedia.com/news/htc-touch-pro-2-coming-august-12th.html
The real question is, where does AT&T fit in here? 2 Weeks after? 1 Month after? 2 Months after? 3 Months after? Never? We've seen all of those times speculated, but no real leads. Get on the ball AT&T; we are waiting!
ATT never announce release date for their phone unless its the iphone...so if its release it we gonna find out the day of or maybe a week ahead if lucky
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ATT never announce release date for their phone unless its the iphone...so if its release it we gonna find out the day of or maybe a week ahead if lucky
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unless of coarse something get leaked right?
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unless of coarse something get leaked right?
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Well... we've seen photos leaked of all the other US carriers' versions... but not AT&T. If a PICTURE hasn't even been leaked yet, I have to doubt how much AT&T leakage we'll be hearing.
... whoa, that sounded like a problem for a doctor to look at...
I've seen photos...
http://htc-phones.net/att-warhawk-and-fortress-htc-touch-diamond2-and-pro2-comming.html
Why mess with the pretty silver... =/ and the keyboard...again...
These aren't photos, they are concept mock-ups.
Photos refer to actual photos of the device, such as in the wild, like how the T-Mobile, Sprint, and Verizon versions were first shown.
Well they are photos to me.
Your definition of photos might refer to "in the wild".
I'm pretty sure the device will look exactly like that.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that if we haven't seen any blurry cam/ phone on jeans picture/ in the wild photos the phone isn't coming in the near future.
What I posted is definitively leaked and definitively a photo IMO...
Also if T-Mo's TP2 got to FCC April 1st and got released August 12.
Fortress got to FCC June 5th, and looking at the Fuze release, I wouldn't expect the phone to hit ATT before September/October but this is pure speculation from my part.
I believe the leaked slide contained a render. Although I do not have a link to it, I have seen a very similar render of a TP2 with the red/yellow look and a 5 row keyboard, the exact same as the Euro Unlocked TP2 but with the color change. I don't know if it was supposed to be a more recent render of the At&t version or not (It did not have an At&t logo on it, but the image used on the slide did not either). I believe the image used was probably an early concept presented to At&t and just included in the slide to give an idea of the design.
To summarize, I think the slide image is an old HTC render given to At&t and the actual phone may retain the color scheme, but the keyboard will change and we don't know about a front-facing camera or a 3.5mm audio jack.
Although I am hoping for a mid to late August release, I actually agree that it will probably be closer to your expected September/October.
Ya its kinda weird because last year we saw many leaked photos of the fuze. There were constant rumors, leaked rebate sheets, etc months before the release. It is worrying that we have yet to hear a single word about this device..
"I'm pretty sure the device will look exactly like that."
You expect the letter z on the top row? A simple search would lead to many, many discussions of that particular photo... and you may be less inclined to back it as proof after reading them.
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"I'm pretty sure the device will look exactly like that."
You expect the letter z on the top row? A simple search would lead to many, many discussions of that particular photo... and you may be less inclined to back it as proof after reading them.
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Oh crap,
This statement was misguided. I didn't use this slide as proof either, but with ATT tendency to mess with the keyboard, and to favor a "keypad" on the fuze instead the top row numbers. With the extra space I could see them having this keypad, so I will revise my statement:
I wouln't be surprised if the final design is similar to that.
It's also true that "leakage" and info has been pretty scarce compared to the Fuze, but again the Fuze did come later in November...
All we have for the Fortress is the name, and that it did hit FCC...
heh, easy one to miss - I'm glad you seem to have taken my comment as it was intended (to be on the humorous side, not the condescending side ).
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I've seen photos...
http://htc-phones.net/att-warhawk-and-fortress-htc-touch-diamond2-and-pro2-comming.html
Why mess with the pretty silver... =/ and the keyboard...again...
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Let's hope they do change the Fortress from these photos.....no 3.5 mm jack on these. Either way, myself and may others are in dyer need of an upgrade. People, don't take the bait and be fooled and hastily jump for the Iphone 3Gs. Let's all wait it out and put the pressure on AT&T to get with it.
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I believe the leaked slide contained a render. Although I do not have a link to it, I have seen a very similar render of a TP2 with the red/yellow look and a 5 row keyboard, the exact same as the Euro Unlocked TP2 but with the color change. I don't know if it was supposed to be a more recent render of the At&t version or not (It did not have an At&t logo on it, but the image used on the slide did not either). I believe the image used was probably an early concept presented to At&t and just included in the slide to give an idea of the design.
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I've seen that render (or was it a render? I bet so) too - it pretty much looked exactly like the Euro, just with the color scheme of the previous linked render. Probably just someone's take on what is closer to reality. Can't find a link to it to share with you guys, sorry!
I too am worried about the lack of in the wild photos. I was suspecting that Sprint and Verizon were further off from releasing the TP2 than AT&T was, but maybe I'm wrong.
Personally I don't mind the color scheme of that weird looking render. But I'm pretty much forced to go with AT&T because of institutional discounts... it'd just be way more expensive to go with a different carrier just to get the TP2.
Yeah, the thing is I'm pretty sure the render with the same color scheme was actually released before the At&t slide containing the Fortress was leaked. I think that render was even used in some news outlet's report on HTC making the Touch Pro 2.
Maybe that color scheme is just the first one HTC made and then changed it for all the actual models produced, realizing the colors were kind of crazy for a business phone (the group the phone is marketed to). I don't mind the color either (it reminds me of Iron Man and he is my favorite comic book superhero ). I think we may end up with another slick black model, similar to the Fuze, though.
I just hope they will keep the front-facing camera; I thought At&t was going to start changing the video share service to a video calling service. If they add the 3.5mm jack in that would be cool too.
What is with att? I can remember when they were the first to release the sliding keyboards before the rest. The 8x25's were advance when they were released considiering the offering of t-moble and sprint. There was to official release date and the restocking date. The iphone really crap up the situation. They still release the 8x25's along side during thier command the blackberry market. Windows Moble has yet to crack it even with palm's settling down. The iphone is here to stay and may even change the way we want in a phone. However when it comes to pdas, the iphone will not dominate with it's current OS. Blackberry commands because of bulk corporate sales. The sales of the Tpro duce will not hamper the sales of the iphone. I hope a official picture is leaked soon. August is fast approaching and no news is not good news.