Now that the acer is out, in pocketnow are trying to compare it to the TP2...
U people are serious? Acer M900, the same device that has 128MB RAM and 256MB ROM? Lol, people were screaming the TP2 doesn't have enough memory and so... Did u check the pocketnow software tour? This device works like a 1 year old phone... The acer shell is kind of a BAD copy of TF3d, a poor imitation or something... The display isn't nearly as sensitive as the TP2's is.. The device feels cheep. I can calmly say it's about a million years away from TP2... I'm not saying the TP2 is the device of the future (since I was having bigger expectations from the hardware upgrade part), but it's the best WM device there is up to now... And I believe that comparing it to the Acer M900 is... nonsense... And my big surprise came from the price - just 80 bucks in favor of the M900? Why spare that money when all u get is a BIG compromise?
Sorry guys, had to say my opinion... I was feeling pretty frustrated by the device and the comparison with the TP2...
P.S. Wasn't the M900 suppose to be the acer's phone with a Snapdragon? Or was it some other Acer's phone?
Acer smartphone is nice & their price also reasonable. i've tried acer dx9650 (two-faced). the hardware is nice. gps is SiRFstar III® & i can feel the samsung processor is faster (remember hermes?) | graphic also good. The problem is they still new & doesnt hv better user friendly features yet. So we can skip M900 at this moment and proceed with TP2. Snapdragon based is a must for next device
I'd love to have the biosensor/dpad/mouse on the TP2. It's a neat trick.
I'm hopeful that the zoom bar can be easily retasked for navigation.
Now that the acer is out, in pocketnow are trying to compare it to the TP2...
U people are serious?
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It's a compliment. TP2 is the new measuring stick. At least for now.
I'd love to have "Trackball with Enter button" (small & very useful) at center, below zoombar & at least 2 flat hardware button at earpiece side. it will be a perfect machine for gaming
I just bought it because the TP2 isn't coming out until november in the states and I want something to play with, that has a huge screen, that isn't the iPhone until then. Other users have said that you don't run into memory problems when you disable Acer's desktop UI and install your apps to your microsd card. What also drew me to the phone was the flash, the front facing camera, and the 5 MP back camera...features that HTC easily could have included (in the u.s. version) but won't. Anyways, I'm going to see how much I enjoy the phone. The next phone I want should have a tegra or snapdragon processor anyway, and we know that won't come out until late next year in the U.S.
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Now that the acer is out, in pocketnow are trying to compare it to the TP2...
U people are serious? Acer M900, the same device that has 128MB RAM and 256MB ROM? Lol, people were screaming the TP2 doesn't have enough memory and so... Did u check the pocketnow software tour? This device works like a 1 year old phone... The acer shell is kind of a BAD copy of TF3d, a poor imitation or something... The display isn't nearly as sensitive as the TP2's is.. The device feels cheep. I can calmly say it's about a million years away from TP2... I'm not saying the TP2 is the device of the future (since I was having bigger expectations from the hardware upgrade part), but it's the best WM device there is up to now... And I believe that comparing it to the Acer M900 is... nonsense... And my big surprise came from the price - just 80 bucks in favor of the M900? Why spare that money when all u get is a BIG compromise?
Sorry guys, had to say my opinion... I was feeling pretty frustrated by the device and the comparison with the TP2...
P.S. Wasn't the M900 suppose to be the acer's phone with a Snapdragon? Or was it some other Acer's phone?
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I don't understand why people always talk about software when deciding between phones. That's the good thing about WM, you can rip UI's off just about any of them. Besides, TF3D is way overrated anyway.
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I don't understand why people always talk about software when deciding between phones. That's the good thing about WM, you can rip UI's off just about any of them. Besides, TF3D is way overrated anyway.
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Disagree, even Manila 2D is already really good and convenient
Anyway same for me, just ordered a TP2 to be able to wait with no stress for the tegra phones (I have an Hermes right now)
Hey, during pocketnow software review, they said have 20mb free with the acer interface on the M900 it's less than on my Kaiser with WM6.5 and M2D...
I used M2D on my Kaiser since 2 weeks, I can understand that HTC removed DPAD on TP2 with TF3D, now, I use rarely the stylus and DPAD...
Waiting french TP2...
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Hey, during pocketnow software review, they said have 20mb free with the acer interface on the M900 it's less than on my Kaiser with WM6.5 and M2D...
I used M2D on my Kaiser since 2 weeks, I can understand that HTC removed DPAD on TP2 with TF3D, now, I use rarely the stylus and DPAD...
Waiting french TP2...
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The first person who understands what I meant... I just don't get it, why bother making a shell that takes about 85% of the RAM and in order for the device to function properly, u have to turn that and that and that off and then the phone MIGHT work faster... Well, if I wanted to buy a phone and use it's basic WM functions and design, why shouldn't I buy a TyTNII, for example, which would work even faster that the acer? If the screen is the problem, then buy a PSP and u'll have even bigger screen...
Here is the deal for us North American users. The TP2 does not come with a 3G compatible band and if you use internet or email with a PDA data plan on regular GPS signals you might as well use dial up again. I would have jumped on the Samsung Omnia, HTC Touch HD or now even on the TP2 (doctajay are you sure it will be 3G compatible, because all the specs I have seen so far indicate otherwise) if it wasn't for the fact that our providers use the 850Mhz band and none of the listed devices operate on this band.
I purchaed an Eten M800 a year ago and was very disappointed in just about any detail of the phone. It felt cheap, the rear cover paint came of within the first couple of hours of use, the software was buggy and on top of it all it only came with 64Mb ram. I was not even able to install TomTom 7 and had to revert back to an older version. The GPS on the other hand was top notch, with quick fixes and dead on accurate. My current HTC Fuze is laggy and it can take 8min+ to get a fix.
Well, my M900 should be here by Wednesday and I would not mind sharing my opinion about the device. For now I will hold on to my Fuze just as I did with my Kaiser when I got the M800, because after two days of use on the M800 I was more than happy to go back to my Kaiser.
Cheers.
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Now that the acer is out, in pocketnow are trying to compare it to the TP2...
U people are serious? Acer M900, the same device that has 128MB RAM and 256MB ROM? Lol, people were screaming the TP2 doesn't have enough memory and so... Did u check the pocketnow software tour? This device works like a 1 year old phone... The acer shell is kind of a BAD copy of TF3d, a poor imitation or something... The display isn't nearly as sensitive as the TP2's is.. The device feels cheep. I can calmly say it's about a million years away from TP2... I'm not saying the TP2 is the device of the future (since I was having bigger expectations from the hardware upgrade part), but it's the best WM device there is up to now... And I believe that comparing it to the Acer M900 is... nonsense... And my big surprise came from the price - just 80 bucks in favor of the M900? Why spare that money when all u get is a BIG compromise?
Sorry guys, had to say my opinion... I was feeling pretty frustrated by the device and the comparison with the TP2...
P.S. Wasn't the M900 suppose to be the acer's phone with a Snapdragon? Or was it some other Acer's phone?
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Well, you also need to take that quick review from PocketNow with a little grain of salt. The comparison was made on the fly and as the moderator was explaining that the menu's are not flickable he discovered they where. Also when he showed the software review he indicated that the flick settings are adjustable but he actually never adjusted them. So quoting a Youtube review of someoen that maybe only spend a couple of hours with the phone without confirming what settings may need to be adjusted, I think it would be best until the official review comes out.
Also when the same moderator did the un-packaging he was very pleased with the keyboard layout. Later in the second review he negativaly commented about the fact that the Fn key was needed to be pressed to get the Perid.
Again, as long as these reviews are based on first impressions only, I would not take them 100% serious.
On the unboxing video from pocketnow.com, the back of the box indicated that it supports HSPDA 850/1900/2100, so we are set in terms of 3G. To be honest the last eten phone I had was crap, but I'm willing to take a chance especially since the specs beat the TP2 in many aspects (i'm especially feeling the front facing camera and the 5 mp camera in the back and the LED flash). For us AT&T users, the TP2 doesn't come out until Nov., and I'm willing to give this phone a shot until then. Who knows, I may just keep it until a Tegra or Snapdragon phone comes to the US.But overall, i think that once we figure out how to completely strip the ROM and install WM 6.5 (which I'm working on), then the phone will be alot more zippy.
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The first person who understands what I meant... I just don't get it, why bother making a shell that takes about 85% of the RAM and in order for the device to function properly, u have to turn that and that and that off and then the phone MIGHT work faster... Well, if I wanted to buy a phone and use it's basic WM functions and design, why shouldn't I buy a TyTNII, for example, which would work even faster that the acer? If the screen is the problem, then buy a PSP and u'll have even bigger screen...
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Don't know about you but I had the TytnII and now the Acer M900, and you have no idea what you're saying if you think the TytnII is faster. Plus the screen is so damn 2005. No way I'd go back to a 2.8" screen. And the PSP doesn't do WM. What in god's name are you talking about?
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On the unboxing video from pocketnow.com, the back of the box indicated that it supports HSPDA 850/1900/2100, so we are set in terms of 3G. To be honest the last eten phone I had was crap, but I'm willing to take a chance especially since the specs beat the TP2 in many aspects (i'm especially feeling the front facing camera and the 5 mp camera in the back and the LED flash). For us AT&T users, the TP2 doesn't come out until Nov., and I'm willing to give this phone a shot until then. Who knows, I may just keep it until a Tegra or Snapdragon phone comes to the US.But overall, i think that once we figure out how to completely strip the ROM and install WM 6.5 (which I'm working on), then the phone will be alot more zippy.
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I specifically asked the US retailer before I ordered the phone that it supports the ATT 850 band. Most likely I will do the same as you and try this phone out until something more solid hits the US. Anyhow, you indicated that you would work on a Rom. My programming skills are rather primitive, but I would be willing to help out if I can.
Is it for example possible to disassemble the latest rom that Acer posts on their website to figure out how to start cooking new roms or as you mentioned to upgrade to 6.5?
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I specifically asked the US retailer before I ordered the phone that it supports the ATT 850 band. Most likely I will do the same as you and try this phone out until something more solid hits the US. Anyhow, you indicated that you would work on a Rom. My programming skills are rather primitive, but I would be willing to help out if I can.
Is it for example possible to disassemble the latest rom that Acer posts on their website to figure out how to start cooking new roms or as you mentioned to upgrade to 6.5?
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I love it when a plan comes together!
Anosis is asking the RIGHT questions.
Been dying to see how 6.5 operates on the M900.
I am hoping that one of the big PDA forum supporters will start to create a specific M900 section. The following post is from the actual ETEN support forum from EU. This particular post gives the first clues on how to cook roms for the ETEN/Acer. Hope this will inspire some of the more advanced users to cook up roms for the M900.....
POST COPIED FORM ETEN USER FORUM...
Here is a short tutorial on editing some parts of a ROM to make your own customised one.
Some ROM parts are dealt with here, some are left for another post.
To understand why I do what I do to ROM's, I can state that I regard PDA devices as a computer (small) with a phone segment attached. I know most people refer to them as "phones", but if that was what I wanted I would just buy a Nokia or something at 1/5th the price. PDA's are computers with phone, BT/GPS/wifi segments attached and bundled more or less neatly together. That, together with the flexibility of WinMobile, is what makes these devices useful.
I always want a ROM that's smaller, faster, cleaner, leaner. Stuff like SpB Shell, TouchFlo etc are really add-ons. These programs have constant upgrades and if they are in ROM, they cannot be upgraded without re-cooking the ROM with the upgrade in it - and that becomes repetitively tedious. Add-ons can also generally be installed on the SDHC card, as these cards are now 16Gb in size with a 32Gb variant to be retailed this year sometime (if we're lucky). My view is the more I can install on the card, the less clogged limited Storage becomes for those programs that must be installed in Storage. I also posted a CAB file a few days ago that significantly increases the speed with which card data/programs can be accessed. With this program (tnnyt SD TuneUP) installed, I can find no practical time difference between accessing Storage and card data.
I've just cooked another custom ROM for my use, based on the policy outlined above - smaller, faster, cleaner. On clean boot, Storage available is 188Mb/used is 22Mb; RAM available is 70Mb/used is 30Mb (ie. free Storage 166Mb, free RAM 40Mb).
THIS PROCESS IS ENTIRELY YOUR OWN RISK. I WILL NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S INEPTNESS. IF THIS TUTORIAL ISN'T CLEAR TO YOU, READ FURTHER USING GOOGLE, XDA-DEV AND THE FORUM HERE. DO YOUR HOMEWORK
ETEN/ACER ROM's are made up of these basic parts (and most of these are directly comparable to the HTC ROM's):
1) entire flashable ROM file is called temp.dat (to flash off the card, it is re-named temp.bin)
2) basic parts are Fat and ExtendedROM inside the OS. We can examine these by extracting the bits and then sorting them
3) after sorting, we can edit the bits that matter and re-build the ROM for customised use. I suggest that no one who is inexperienced here should edit those bits I will note as untouchable and then attempt a flash ... in the immortal words of Cyril (a ROM cook from the Eten X500 forum): "YOUR DEVICE WON'T NEVER BOOT AGAIN"
Tools you need (this refers to WIN2k or XP with both NET and Java installed- I don't use Vista):
4) a full, clean copy of an official ACER/ETEN "temp.dat". You can achieve this easily by running the EUU_ACER_DX900 xxx.EXE without async and leaving the window open at the NEXT or CANCEL stage. With that window still open, search for "temp.dat" - it is likely in \Documents & Settings\Local Settings\Temp. Copy this file to a working folder, then you can CANCEL the open upgrade window (this will delete all the upgrade files from \Local Settings\Temp)
5) the DX900_Tools that Rugal supplied a few weeks ago on the forum here. Just unzip this to your working folder. Rugal listed the Java requirement
6) the files imgfstodump.exe, imgfsfromdump.exe and cecompr_nt.dll in the same folder. Also PKGTool.exe and pkgcommon.dll together in the same folder. You can Google for these files, they are readily available through xda-dev; try to find the most recent
7) open the DX900_Tools folder. You have folders src and Tools, with batch files "create" and "extract" plus etentool.jar (Java). Copy temp.dat into this folder, plus the files listed above in step 6)
8) open "extract.bat". A DOS window opens, a number of messages scroll across the screen and then the DOS window closes when the process is finished. The temp.dat ROM has been de-constructed into its' component bits as a 1st step
9) the DX900_Tools folder now has a Rom folder in it. In the Rom folder is an Os folder, a binary header file and five (5) DAT files. At this point, delete all the DAT files EXCEPT "os.dat". If you do not do this step, remember Cyril's warning in 3) above. Leave both the header file and os.dat in the Rom folder untouched
10) inside the Os folder are folders Extrom and Fat, plus four (4) assorted files. leave these 4 files untouched
11) open the Extrom folder (Extended ROM). The CAB files inside are those loaded at the end of a flash, when the limited choice of installable files is normally presented. You may delete some or all of these PREI_*.CAB files according to your choice - this will reduce the final ROM size considerably. You may also add CAB's of your choice, re-named PREI_xxx.CAB, but you need to know the XML additions to the Registry for each of these (a further tutorial on "CAB to Extrom or OEM")
BUT
all deletions and additions of such PREI_xxx.cab's must be edited in "filesinfo.txt" and the three (3) *.xml files (oem.xml, oem_post.xml and optionalap.xml). The txt file is just a standard text edit, but xml file edits should be done in an XML editor to keep the formatting exact. Cooktop is an adequate XML freeware editor. If you are unsure of how to edit XML, you should take some time to learn this process. Leave the other files in Extrom untouched
12) open the Fat folder and delete "minios.bin". Leave the other four (4) binary files UNTOUCHED, but you should note the sizes of imgfs.bin and xip.bin. The 1st of these is the compressed filesystem image and may be manipulated in a later process. The 2nd file, xip.bin, is a compressed binary of the eXecuteInPlace (XIP) system - this is the core of WinMobile and is reportedly device-independent, ie. this is Microsoft's work and should be transferable to any WM device with appropriate editing of interfaces. The current version number in ROM 0553 for the XIP is 20772.1.4.7 (WM6.1). Files fatheader.bin and fatimg.bin are boot-type files and must be left UNTOUCHED
13) at this stage, you have reached a fork in the road.
1st fork:
If satisfied that all the Extrom edits are OK and you want no further edits to the ROM, you can go back to the DX900_Tools folder and click "create.bat". A DOS windows opens, a number of messages scroll across the screen and then the window closes. You should then have a file "temp_new.dat" in the folder now. This is your new flashable ROM, copy it someplace safe
I suggest you then clear the DX900_Tools folder back to its' initial state and proceed to re-extract your new "temp.dat" - TO CHECK THAT IT EXTRACTS OK. If it is so, flash it as either re-named temp.dat (use async) or temp.bin (use the card)
14) 2nd fork:
after editing the Extrom and thoroughly checking these edits, you may wish to progress and remove some of the extraneous stuff in the \SYS folder (you haven't created this yet). For example, Office 6.1, NetCF2.0, Sample Music and so on. Doing these deletions will shrink your new ROM (faster, cleaner, leaner etc) and you can install some of these programs on the card later, anyway. For example, NETCF3.5 will install on the card and is an upgrade to NETCF2.0
So, how to ?
This will be the 2nd tutorial, posted sometime soon.
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Thanks for the post anonsis. Right now, the only dedicated forum for the Acer m900 is at 4winmobile: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/e-ten-acer-support/
I've already dumped the newest ROM that Acer has on their website via the instructions that are listed above. I'm still a novice but the process was pretty simple. At the 4winmobile site, you can see where I extracted all the cabs that come with the ROM and posted them for people to download. Also, on the 4winmobile site another user has already dumped the ROM, stripped it of that stupid Acer Shell and rebuilt it, making it much more lite; you can find his post here: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/e-...ted-cabs-latest-acer-m900-rom.html#post226423
Also, I've been talking with serious cookers for other Eten phones on the eten-users forum, and they have laid out step by step how we can make a WM 6.5 kitchen for the Acer m900. You can see those instructions here: http://eten-users.eu/index.php?showtopic=16366&view=findpost&p=117624
So getting WM 6.5 on our Acer m900 may not be as hard as it seems. I'm no where close to even being a serious cooker, but I'm still going to try to follow the directions above. Honestly, this can be an amazing phone if we just put some work into it, and I really hope that some serious cookers come our way.
But yeah, for now, 4winmobile is the only site that has given us any type of sub-forum.
doctajay said:
Thanks for the post anonsis. Right now, the only dedicated forum for the Acer m900 is at 4winmobile: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/e-ten-acer-support/
I've already dumped the newest ROM that Acer has on their website via the instructions that are listed above. I'm still a novice but the process was pretty simple. At the 4winmobile site, you can see where I extracted all the cabs that come with the ROM and posted them for people to download. Also, on the 4winmobile site another user has already dumped the ROM, stripped it of that stupid Acer Shell and rebuilt it, making it much more lite; you can find his post here: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/e-...ted-cabs-latest-acer-m900-rom.html#post226423
Also, I've been talking with serious cookers for other Eten phones on the eten-users forum, and they have laid out step by step how we can make a WM 6.5 kitchen for the Acer m900. You can see those instructions here: http://eten-users.eu/index.php?showtopic=16366&view=findpost&p=117624
So getting WM 6.5 on our Acer m900 may not be as hard as it seems. I'm no where close to even being a serious cooker, but I'm still going to try to follow the directions above. Honestly, this can be an amazing phone if we just put some work into it, and I really hope that some serious cookers come our way.
But yeah, for now, 4winmobile is the only site that has given us any type of sub-forum.
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Thanks man!!
I have followed the same steps and now have the extROM folder with all the caps. Since I have an old M800 laying around and my M900 is still in the mail, I started checking some of the cabs out. Rather mess around with the M800 then my current Fuze .
Next I would like to try to thin the rom down just like the post you mentioned, so I can get a feal of what it takes to do all this.
BTW, could you comment on the reception of the phone and also the brightness of the screen. I know that is all subjective to the viewer, but comparing it to the Fuze would help since we both have one.
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The first person who understands what I meant...
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Actually it was just the first person who you understood what they meant
The nice thing about worldwide forums is you get to discover that your mobile needs are not the exact same as everyone else's mobile needs. That particular life lesson can extend into other areas if you let it.
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Thanks man!!
I have followed the same steps and now have the extROM folder with all the caps. Since I have an old M800 laying around and my M900 is still in the mail, I started checking some of the cabs out. Rather mess around with the M800 then my current Fuze .
Next I would like to try to thin the rom down just like the post you mentioned, so I can get a feal of what it takes to do all this.
BTW, could you comment on the reception of the phone and also the brightness of the screen. I know that is all subjective to the viewer, but comparing it to the Fuze would help since we both have one.
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My m900 should be arriving on Tuesday or Wednesday so I am waiting just like you. We started a WM 6.5 thread at 4winmobile so anyone who wants to try and help us port it is welcome.
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As the title states, is there currently a way to upgrade the Verizon Wireless Motorola Q (black version) to Windows Mobile 6?
Regards in advance
-Evomac-
I'll second that question --
I should definitely read more on this forum before asking such dumb questions, (hi, I'm new!) but curiosity is killing me...
How cross-platform/generic are these OS?
I notice that there's a different release of WM6 Pro for every different HTC model, which scares me...
I was toying around with the idea that the T-mobile Dash (aka HTC Excalibur) is a 'smartphone' running WM6 Standard.
That puts it in the same ballpark as the Q, they're both 320x240 w/ no touchscreen!
However, the S620/excalibur/whatever runs a T.I. OMAP850 cpu on GSM;
whereas the Q features an Intel XScale PXA272, and CDMA
As a guy who has a Verizon Q which will likely be left at wm5 forever, I *really* want to try something out, but really am not excited about bricking my phone.
anyone have any great ideas?
I still have return time left on my phone so I would be willing to try something. Since you can almost be certain Verizon won't upgrade the OS.
I've been searching for a motorola Q wm6 ROM myself as well. No luck anywhere so far... ideas?
My girlfriend has a Q, even though I adviseid her not to buy it because of it's wm5 (not even professional) shortcomings for a smartphone, and now she complains about the phone contstantly. Yeah, the features she wants are all wm6, such as real windows live, etc.
anyone have a solution for Moto Q to WM6???
MOTO Q can be cooked
I just found a monster flash file wit an .SBF extension.
I renamed it to OS.NB (changing only the extension) and was able to dump the OS and OEM.
So I believe it is possible to cook it.
Personaly, For a smartphone it has good hardware; and being a motorola, the entire phone is the antena. with propper software this can eventualy be a good device...
I have the OS dump; and I am sure that with the rest of the stuff I found on (like RSDLite) it is possible to cook the Q.
Trouble is that We NEED someone who can make a kitchen for us.
A kitchen to do this sure would be nice... Bit it looks as if it'll never happen.
It's just sad. The Moto Q is a good phone, but being stuck with the crappy Windows Mobile 5 OS makes it a piece a crap these days. I'm finding more and more software that just won't work because of the dinosaur of an OS it has.
I think this will be my next project. now i just need to find a motorola q, so i can get to work on it. it was a good device, for its time. and it was so easy to type on, size was all there.
i just never been able to get it to dump, never try to rename the files. i will have to give this a shot, but i am sure it can be done.
I used the Scoter Kitchen. Renamed the Monster flash file to OS.nb and ran it. and I was able to get all of the files out of there.
Scoter Kitchen.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293296
All different Motorola Flash files, all different phones all different carriers. take a look at it.
http://www.mobile-files.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54197
any news on this story?
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any news on this story?
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not at the moment. its in progress.
Are we any closer to a ROM update? I appreciate the time you are taking out of your personal lives to investigate this.
I have a Q11 and I could dump my firmware is very easy,
The program creates a folder with the "dump" and a .bin file
if you want to cook a rom just need to modify the folder called dump
Then you must convert the dump file. to a bin file with the same program
Has anyone been able to make any progress with the Q?
I'm also very interested in this. I have a Verizon Q (black) that has been reflashed to Bell mobility in Canada and I am using it on the MTS cdma network in Manitoba. I'd really like to have wm6 on this thing, as wm5 is proving quite clunky...
me 2 waiting for something......
Any rom or monster files?
i know this thread is old but i have a moto q9m
just give me any windows mobile 6 rom for the moto q
how can i backup my entire phone before flashing?
I bought Moto Q black last year (yes, im a noob), and had no clue wm5 sucked so bad, and... no upgrade options at all, even for $$$ ??? wow
so, just to bump this thread, and say thanks and hope and well, maybe get another phone,,, blah blah... oh.alsdkfha;lksdhflkj
anyway... here's hoping, after all, it is really really cool, great feel, buttons are great, all that, wonderful phone, though i'm sure i paid too much for it, flashed to cricket (new in box) for 89$ ebay
an addendum to the question/project:
can it be flashed to boost? (for the $25 plan)?
thanks and good luck
if nothing comes of this, what phone would you recommend that is 'like' the moto q black (the rubberized grip is great, the little wheel is really cool, i like the brick style, not flip or slide, fits so good in my hand, and so on, what a phone... tried an htc phone recently but the touch was non sensitive and it couldn't hold a charge long enough, though that is just that, also it seemed it was made for a small asian woman's hand)
I've been the owner of an HTC P3300 for almost 1,5 years and I'm seriously considering of abandoning the device. My main reasons for abandoning the device:
- you have to use the stylus too much. Face it: Windows Mobile simply isn't made for finger usage. Too many buttons, tabs, menu's etc are too small to control with your fingers in a comfortable way
- the device is getting too slow. I've been annoyed more and more lately about the speed of the processing capabilities of the device
- The good Artemis cookers have left us. There's little hope that the 'perfect' finger friendly rom will ever be cooked in the future. (no offense to the other rom cookers that are still there)
Strictly speaking about functionality the Artemis and any other recent Windows Mobile wins against an iphone. Speaking about usability, after 1,5 years always running the latest customised roms (B&B 3.7, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.0 & Artemis Touch 4.01, 4.02, Oops Black v1.0) I think that I am tired in spending time in trying to improve the capabilities of a device by constantly upgrading and reinstalling stuff which should be provided by the company ofering the device on the market.
Looking at the iphone, it has a high level of usablility, it's finger friendly from its launch as it should be, runs smoothly, and its software is constantly being improved. I will never have to start installing addons or hacking registry keys to improve the usability of the OS itself.
That sayd, i''m gonna buy an iphone next week Good luck in the future all you guys with your Artemis, but i've had it with it!
BTW, I just notice my signature is already way out of date
I already have 5 HTC devices but no Artemis yet...
I voted yes because Artimes is much the same as some of my devices and I'm happy with them. I will be getting an Artemis for shure if I find a cheap second hand.
I would rader have a phone with all functions I need ...then a finger friendly Phone witch is missing some verry important apps
i'll be happy with it...my dad and cousin have it and they are ok with it,i had it and it was great...(i still maintain those two and they work like a charm)
if you decide to abandon it...i'll be happy to provide you my address (for shipping)
and i am willing to pay...both device and shipping
PM me if you want
thanks very much
Hi,
I couldn't miss my Artemis for the world, it was once in repair and I bought a new one second hand. I have it from 2006 now.
I find it perfect cause of the all in gsm+gps+wifi and perfect pocketsize and second hand price now +-€250 is relatively cheap, newprice around €350 (bought it for €550! in 2007!). It's no too small and not too big.
1- Have no problems with Artemis concerning stylus and there are 'fingertouch' programs or roms. I have the resco big keyboard for sms and picturedial in one fingertouch.
2- Processorspeed : nothing wrong with it!!!
I use gps (IGO8 heavy graphics) & call via Bluetooth together, not slow in any way.
The rom i have is the Russian WWE rom with lots of ram free.
Wifi is also fast enough but I use laptop for bigger screen offcourse.
I have also mame-roms and tested lots of software, no speed problems.
With batterystatus you can overclock to 240mhz or something, but unnescessary, and remember, fast processor = battery exhaustion. In past i had the XDA 2i & E-ten G500 (both processors about 400-500MHZ, so double) but don't miss the 'faster' processor. Have my P3300 one week in my pocket now, and battery still 25% thanks 2 the TIO OMAP processor!
People say the processor is slow, but i wonder which applications they run together then??? Maybe pocket-photo-shop or do they edit movies or something ???
3-Actually I found out that the best cook is yourself. I never cooked a rom myself, but the smartest thing to do is take the lightest rom as a base, and put your own software on it. SPB Mobile shell for example for greater today looks, Greatball Samurai weather, ...
I test now and then new roms for fun if i'm not missing anything, but you own tuning is more fun and you know what you install, no unnescessary tools to remove...
I would only be prepared to buy a new device if the price is the same.
The HTC Diamond is nice for example, maybe within 2-3 years also €250 second hand.
Most advantage for P3300 is the SDHC cardslot vs Diamond has 3G (but don't miss it at the moment)
Cheers & enjoy our Greek God Artemis
Ciao,
Innovator
still happy
Brought a used 02 Orbit from the UK for about $230 AUD delivered, have updated the Rom and find it fast and stable. it has everything I want except for HSDPA.
Having said that will more than likely buy a touch diamond when released in Australia ....
1. It has HSDPA
2. It is 19 grams lighter
3. Looks more modern with the flush screen
But in no hurry, as mentioned happy with the Orbit
Hi all,
Still happy with it.... obviously it'll not last forever but i believe that other devices are still "doing more of the same thing" and 2 years are not enough to throw away my 500€ device....
Regrats
i am still very happy with my artemis. i use spb mobile shell and that's all i need for finger friendliness (considering its a WM device...).
i am considering to get a touch diamond because it looks like the first device that is really a newer generation than the artemis (hsdpa, lighter, better look, better display and vga, more memory and faster processor). the touch diamond offers more in almost every aspect.
next time my provider wants me to profit from one of these outrageous offers i will probably get the touch.
I voted Yes, still happy!
The roms that are available are all pretty good, I'd say, and the things you're missing one widely can add using some Apps - just have a look at the Development and Hacking section.
As you've mentioned the iPhone there's enough people around who ported the interface to WM - sometimes better, sometimes not.
But even where the iPhone seems to be the state-of-the art these days in terms of usability (haven't tried it myself), there's one thing I'd be missing: free software!
Sure the Artemis never was actually really fast if you compare it to others.
Still it's fast enough for me, so the point of time when that'll change is still way ahead!
Cheers,
Markus.
I'm also still Happy with my Artemis. I could play with IPhone 3G and also with HTC Diamond, but I won't change to one of them.
IPhone's Menu is really terrible structured. The Sync Software of IPhone is Apple like unstable. And I don't need 3d TouchFlo wich is used in HTC Diamond.
I will change to a new Phone, when the finger friendly WM7 has arrived in a stable version.
Greets
Roman
Yup..still happy !
I had an upgrade recently and because I was bored (I have a low theshold for same ole same old) I got a Nokia N95, and a Blackberry Pearl, just so I can amuse myself.....but nothing prepared me for the withdrawal shock of giving up my Artemis.
Needless to say, those other phones are back in their boxes in the loft, and possibly soon on a website near you.
I wont be surprised if after a while you get fed-up with the iPhone and it's 'cult-like' approach to hardware and software, and start groping for your Artemis....which hopefully wont have been gone !
still happy with the artemis, but the voice in my head starts yelling "diamond !! go get a diamond"
Daiphi said:
still happy with the artemis, but the voice in my head starts yelling "diamond !! go get a diamond"
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I went twice in a mobile store to see Diamond. I did not felt like "I have to buy it". It 's beutiful but I m not sure it will be my next mobile. There are a lot of discusions about problems, alot of new roms, tweaks to make it faster. Why should I be in a such trouble? My Artemis is "flying" with Vanilla4.1.
Maybe Touch Pro or Xperia will make me change mobile (or find diamond in a really low price).
Voted Yes
I'm one of the first HTC users, started with Wallaby year's ago.
Since then I was happy with my Himalaya (still using as second mobile phone), not so much with Alpine (as there was never an WM5 or WM6 version) and never with the Blue Angel (too heavy and keyboard unusable).
My very best mobile so far is the Artemis.
Fast like no other, very stable and full of functions I do really appreciate (as for example GPS, FM Radio).
Last week I got my Diamond and I really regret to say, it's not worth to buy it.
Slow like chewing gum, the Touch screen is really annoing me as using the stylus I'm sick typing up to 3 times the same position to have the function working.
Say to me I'm old fashined, it's OK.
But so far I will stay with my beloved artemis
I'm still happy with my device for what it does. And it does a lot!
I've gotten bored with it from time to time but I always come back to it. It's stable, fast, very capable, and it's very intuitive. You don't HAVE to use the stylus because you have so many input options. For one, the buttons you complained about. You don't like the buttons? That's what makes the Artemis unique - it's a small keyboardless device, with plenty of input/navigation options. It's got the scroll wheel, a pointer, a scroll ball, I've added touchflo, and 11 hardware buttons (great to use with Hbutton). There's no reason anyone shouldn't be able to set this phone up exactly they way they want to get to everything you need quickly. The programs I use most are opened with the press of one button. And inputting text with my finger nail is easier to me than using a keyboard too.
If you're not satisfied with you phone, you probably don't have it set up right for yourself, or your just bored with it. But for productivity and intuitiveness, I personally think it's one of the best WM devices ever. I bought it not because of prestige or hype like the you know what phone, but because of the lack of complaints about common problems with the device. It has none! It has the most solid reliability history - way better than the TyTn II, Trinity, the Wing, or the Eten devices I was looking at before I bought the Artemis. All of these devices have common issues like, short memory, screens going bad, bad BT stacks, wacky software, slow (even with 400Mhz), ect. The Artemis does not have one common issue that everyone has except WM itself.
And the iphone, are you kidding me! You can't do half the stuff you can do on the Artemis on the iphone. And the 3G iphone has a bunch of issues with it right now. Don't understand why people think they're going to avoid issues by going with the iphone. If you're a multimedia person, yea, but if you actually use your phone for productivity, you will not be happy with the iphone. It doesn't even multitask! If you want an iphone because your needs have changed and it fits, I'm happy for you, but I totally disagree if you think the iphone is better than the Artemis when it comes to capabilty. It all depends on your needs, but the iphone would never suite my needs. All in all, this is the best WM device I've ever used, and I've yet to see something worth upgrading to - even the Diamond. How do you quickly switch from one application to another to copy and paste rapidly on a Diamond or a iPhone? I just press the "e" button on my Artemis that's mapped "to Alt Tab" which toggles btwn programs. I can easily do that because I've got 5 other buttons to use for other stuff. These phones barely have any to use. That's one of the reasons I love my Artemis.
And why is everyone so anti-stylus? You don't really have to use it but it's great for writing out whole sentences at a time.
Innovator said:
. . . the smartest thing to do is take the lightest rom as a base, and put your own software on it.
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So,,, which is the lightest ROM for Artemis?
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So,,, which is the lightest ROM for Artemis?
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yue extraclean, alternatively vanilla 4.01
i am currently selling my iphone 2g 16GB, which i thought would be a worthy companion to make me dump my P3300...as u read i am selling the iphone!
the p330 is an all-day gear machine, which combines a number of simply working devices in one: phone, tomtom navigator, ipod/music player, office synchroniser...and the lot...and all that for a mere 100 euros these days in ebay europe!
stuff iphones and the flashy design and screen...i need a companion that works, is maintainable (exchangeable battery) and doesnt need to be pimpered and cared for in a daily basis -
greetz
p.s. htc touch hd would be an alternative, but than again i just got used, after all those years, to simpply using my p3300 without worrying about a bump here or a shake there...
i bought p3300 around 3 years back. i am satisfied with its performance. i bought nokia n900 few days back. my younger brother told me to give him one of these sets - i gave n900 away. cant part with p3300. n900 seems to have a juvenile operating system. no proper applications. moreover with that big screen they dont have a proper media player like core player or pocket player. i find my p3300 with omap far too advanced. everything i need i have on it. i format it but dont flash it - in say 6 months.
i vote for p3300. and yes, no sissy iphone for me.
Yeah!
Even I voted Yes. Because I have bought it from 2007, and I every month change its rom, I get updated and enjoy my time.
On the other hand, the processor is also not too bad!
I f you want to use Phone, Office, or write messages, that is good with FingKeyb 2.1
By the Way, it's your wish to sell it.
Best Wishes!
Thanks,
Don't revive an ancient topic please
This topic has been originally posted in 2008. I bet the OP doesn't even have the device anymore. Secondly, it's in the wrong subforum.
Therefore this topic is closed.
My apologies if I'm posting in the wrong area...
SO, I recently aquired an SX66 and am deciding on the 2003se Tmo rom, or WM6.5 (or whatever.
I can't find a concise answer: why do I want WM6.5?
What does it do that 2003se doesn't do, or why is it better?
Is it stable?
What are the major drawbacks to using WM6.5 on my BA?
Are there problems with going back to 2003se?
And what are the chances of bricking my device, provided I follow the instructions correctly?
AND what is (are) the most common mistake(s) that will brick my device when upgrading to 6.5 (besides cutting power/usb in process)?
I know some or all of the answers to these questions are out there (I've been looking), but it would be nice to have an idiot's single post to refer to for the most basic questions/answers.
TIA!
Hi,
if I were you I would never put WM 6.5 on your BA, I don't like 6.5. I would stay 6.0 or 6.1.
But WM 6 Has more compatibility with programs and has more functionality.
I don't know if its stable, because I cant get it on my BA( I have Ran WM 6/ 6.1/6.5 on a Kaiser).
Further someone else will awnser I think
Why not on your BA (do you have a ph20b?)?
im not sure about your taste in operating systems but i'm a XP loving vistahater.
wm6.5 is vista merged with OSX for your 5 year old phone. I flashed one of my BAs with it last night. it was horrible. speed wise, i about threw the phone against the wall. GUI wise? No more start menu, no more programs menu, no more settings menu. it's all been replaced with that ohsowonderful honeycomb gui. sure, it MAY be better for fingers, not that the old style was that hard, but christ almighty it makes doing anything hairpull-hard.
shortversion:
go with wm2003 or wm5. i find they're faster. i prefer 2003, since it runs all in RAM.
as for your brick question, i aint too sure. i'd like to know how exactly you brick one of these meself. i can't find anything on it, the documentation of the BA is surprisngly lacking for most of this.
I like the new builds of 6.5 with the big bottom bar, but it is so much less functional. I would definitely go with something besides 6.5, although in my experience I found it faster than any other version of winmo. I have had a few lockups, but mostly just with the comm manager/internet.
its hard to judge its fastness since its so..hard to navigate. i can't even read the icons, let alone try and use it.
microsoft trying to copy apple does not produce good results, methinks.
and hte new homescreen irks me. its usability is horrible, its better on blueangel but on the hermes it was just bad.
I still use WM2003 because:
1. The device is designed for this OS.
2. I don't have needless time to spent for OS experiments.
3. I like small and fast Office versions like the old Word and Excel Mobile.
4. I like the build in encryption in Excel Mobile.
5. I don't like the soft keys (>= WM5), because they replace more usable and faster menus.
6. All applications I need run under WM2003.
I'll change my OS when I change my device (currently hoping for the HTC Thoth.).
You guys are great.
To be hones, I hate M$ (no flaming, please) and have been running Ubuntu Linux for about the last year. I especially hate Vista.
I also appriciate the insight into the feel of the WM6.5 os. I don't care about newest, latest, or greatest. I want "works great", so it looks like I'll be sticking with the Tmo 2003se rom.
Thanks ya'll.
..why not install linux then? i got linux working on mine. i cant seem to interface witht he actual phone though. perhaps thats tonights project.
interesting thing to play with though.
interestingfellow said:
You guys are great.
To be hones, I hate M$ (no flaming, please) and have been running Ubuntu Linux for about the last year. I especially hate Vista.
I also appriciate the insight into the feel of the WM6.5 os. I don't care about newest, latest, or greatest. I want "works great", so it looks like I'll be sticking with the Tmo 2003se rom.
Thanks ya'll.
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I also tried Linux on my BA. It's wonderful and plenty of possibilities but ... only possibilities because the hardware is not open and people needs to hack this device.
I don't want to buy anymore a device that needs the work of some guys like xplode working hard to get these devices running properly.
I don't want to spend thousands of hours getting my 500 Eur. mobile connected to wifi. And when I ask the carrier he says me that they have no plans to solve the problem, so I solved myself the problem (thnks a lot, xda-developers).
No, no and nooo. So I decided to stay with my BA in Windows 2003se wwe and wait ...
-Hum: HTC blackstone. Very nice but Windows. No more Windows, please.
-Hum: Neo Freerunner. Open but no future.
-Hum: Iphone. Very nice. Very closed. No, thanks.
-Hum: HTC Dream. Linux but hiddenly closed Android on top capturing my traffic. NOoo.
-Hum: Palm pre. Linux but WebOS in the same way that Android or Iphone. No, thanks.
-Hum: Nokia's N900. Linux debian. Open. May be this is my phone. I will wait a couple of months to see your opinions.
Regards,
Àngel
Why WM 6.5?
because sooner or later, it will have more compatibility than the old OS.
more compatible with the new apps, games, tools, hardware like gps, a2dp support,wifi type N,and many more.
maybe today WM 6.5 maybe still craps, have a lot of bugs,etc, but newer OS is designed to be better from the previous one, it's just about time whether m$ can make it better or just make another mistake like vista..we'll see
that isnt entirely relevant to the blueangel though.
yeah. wm6.5 is the new wmstandard, so new hardware will have drivers for it and not for the others.
but we're not talking new hardware here. we're talking a device built in 2004 for wm2003, there is no new hardware for it. as for new appz and gamezzzz, wm6.5 is mostly a new interface from what ive gathered. the OS core isnt changed to the point of changing older APIs. programs should work both ways.
and sooner or later? its supposed to be replaced in a year. methinks nobody is going to jump on the bandwagon that fast.
pointis, its bad. unless you like the new interface, its no different. except slower.
I flashed on the newest tmo uk rom for 2003se, and I'm happy with it. I"m used to the 2003/se OS, and all the progs I know about and have a copy of, work on it.
Linux seems like a great idea, but I don't have time to spend getting it right.
I might try WM5 or 6/6.5 after I get my hands on the universal that's on it's way, but I need my phone to work, and work well, right now.
..i hate you. the universal needs to drop a few hundred bucks in price so i can grab 3 of them. it seems like a nicephone, i want it. damnit.
if you want i can DD my linux SDcard and upload the image. just dd it to a sd, pop it in and run haret. methinks it should work. actually im going to do that.
it was quick, feel free to better clean up the article but i have created a quickstart guide using my image for linux on hte BA.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueAngel_Linux
i'm tired and fizzled out, so anyone feel free to rewrite it to more easily understandability.
Kind of off topic, but the linux for the BA is ran off an sd card? Kind of like a live cd that doesn't touch the roms and storage(s); just pop out the sd and soft reset, and everything is back to WM? I would totally advertise that aspect of it... it might get more people into linux for the HTC devices (or maybe I just caught up to the bandwagon)
of course. thats how all linux is ran on htc phones from my knowedlge, i havent heard of anyone actually replacing WM with it.
If its any help
Is it stable?
Yes both 6.1 and 6.5 is stable enough.
I tried every rom and tested throughly and decided to stick to Sun Dreams 6.1 as it is very stable
What are the major drawbacks to using WM6.5 on my BA?
None
Are there problems with going back to 2003se?
Nope, as long as you dont repart you ll be ok to go back to 2003 (someone pls correct If I am wrong) But I dont think you would wanna go back to 2003se as most of the todays apps designed to run on wm5 and later
And what are the chances of bricking my device, provided I follow the instructions correctly?
Slim
Make sure no ones using the microwave washing machine and the dishwasher whilst they are hoovering you ll be fine. Just read the instructions over and over till you are ok with it. Patience and make sure both batteries device/laptop whatever charged up and Use XP as it makes things easy.
AND what is (are) the most common mistake(s) that will brick my device when upgrading to 6.5 (besides cutting power/usb in process)?
make sure you have the right rom !!! you ll be fine
I know some or all of the answers to these questions are out there (I've been looking), but it would be nice to have an idiot's single post to refer to for the most basic questions/answers.
I remember my first time I was totally scared !!!
i wasnt scared.
i was more scared when i realized i had a flash going on my harrier and had just popped out the battery. bricked to ****.
and 2003 is better than them. faster. and **** appcompatibility. OS speed matters more.
Yeah, there are no linux or android flashable roms... yet, but in regard to reasons to upgrade
1.smooth flick (or kinetic) scrolling basically everywhere in the operated system
2.some built in app are updated i.e. internet explorer, contacts app
3.compatibilility with newer programs, alot of newer programs wont run on 2003
4.new today screen with bigger font and new plugins
If any1 would like to add feel free to do so.
Im done guys with Wm my Hd2 is up for sale no update for hardware that can run Wp7 they can have wp7 my hd2 is up for sale and i just picked up my new Nexus one just flashed the new HTC Desire Rom running at 1.3GHZ Im happy Hello Android mabey next time WM mabey next time
Maybe next time, punctuation. Maybe next time...
Personally, I'm in the 'Buy a phone for what it can do now, not what I hope it might be able to do in the future' school of thought.
Sure, no WP7 is a disappointment, but if you own an HD2 (as I did for a while), you got what was being promised. For me, it was the lack of a keyboard that made me get a TP2, but the HD2 is still one helluva phone.
No announcement has been made. I'm gonna laugh if the HD2 ends up getting an update.
bye bye cry baby, i swear you guys crack me up. how can you be upset when you bought the phone without anything being announced if you bought it because YOU THOUGHT it was getting an update thats your own fault, ms didnt tell you ANYTHING. and the hd2 is gonna have wp7s soon enough, maybe not officially but who cares, custom roms>>>>>>official roms
I would be glad to take your HTC HD2 off your hands
The forum would be way better without such threads. But on the flip side it's funny to see how stupid some people are (sorry but it's the truth)
RAMMANN said:
The forum would be way better without such threads. But on the flip side it's funny to see how stupid some people are (sorry but it's the truth)
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Indeed. Im mad they are not releasing Iphone OS to my HD2.
(eventually the chefs will be making a version for the HD2, so come on.)
kel16harris said:
bye bye cry baby, i swear you guys crack me up. how can you be upset when you bought the phone without anything being announced if you bought it because YOU THOUGHT it was getting an update thats your own fault, ms didnt tell you ANYTHING. and the hd2 is gonna have wp7s soon enough, maybe not officially but who cares, custom roms>>>>>>official roms
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It's not so much the lack of an upgrade that's the problem, it's the combination of that plus WP7 being incompatible with Windows Mobile software. That's one thing nobody was predicting a few months ago, and it means that there is no longer any reason for a commercial software company to continue working on any Windows Mobile project - see, for example, Adobe's decision to scrap FlashPlayer on WinMo.
To say "your phone won't get an OS upgrade" is one thing, but to say "your phone won't get an upgrade, and incidentally we also neglected to mention that your phone's current OS would cease to be a viable platform for commercial software about three months after you buy it" is something else.
And it is not by any means certain that there will be custom ROMs based on WP7.
leeuwtjevanjuda said:
Indeed. Im mad they are not releasing Iphone OS to my HD2.
(eventually the chefs will be making a version for the HD2, so come on.)
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I doubt it. The reason chefs have been able to make WM6.5 for older devices is because it is still based off of the same kernel as 5.0-6.1. If you are familiar with cooking ROMs for older devices, you would realize that we are still using 6.0 drivers on all of these 6.5 ROMs. Once the kernel changes, however, those drivers will most-likely be useless.
And yeah, buying the HD2 probably wasn't the best idea.
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I doubt it. The reason chefs have been able to make WM6.5 for older devices is because it is still based off of the same kernel as 5.0-6.1. If you are familiar with cooking ROMs for older devices, you would realize that we are still using 6.0 drivers on all of these 6.5 ROMs. Once the kernel changes, however, those drivers will most-likely be useless.
And yeah, buying the HD2 probably wasn't the best idea.
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It's also possible to run 6.5 on the Himalaya, which is originally based on PPC 2003 = different wince kernel.
RAMMANN said:
It's also possible to run 6.5 on the Himalaya, which is originally based on PPC 2003 = different wince kernel.
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But the Himalaya still got WM5, so that still means it got WinCE 5.2 kernel one way or another. Once it got a 5.2 kernel, it can run anything from WM5 all the way up to WM6.5.x
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
But the Himalaya still got WM5, so that still means it got WinCE 5.2 kernel one way or another. Once it got a 5.2 kernel, it can run anything from WM5 all the way up to WM6.5.x
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alright that finally explains it. Didn't know they got an official WM5 release.
The HTC HD2 is an impressive device even without WP7 As for upgrading it, there will be a debate but, they will chose to release a HD3 instead. Feel free to sign the petition though,lol http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/hd2windowsphone7/
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5475&tag=content;col1
I'm quite on the contrary
Ironically a handful of days ago I made similar decision. Except for that I was really, really pissed off by Android and decided to switch back to WinMo. So I got a HD2.
Now I'm (again) having:
- The capability to play almost every media format on my phone
- *REAL* GPS navigation suites
- Serious, polished, and visually attractive games, by lots
- Proper tool to manage my personal (2 of them) and business mail accounts, with attachment, reply record and everything
- Excellent applications to read *AND EDIT* Word and Excel files. It's vital to have this as a translator who frequently has to work on-the-go.
- PDB, PRC, CHM, LIT, TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, HTML, PDF in short, whatever document format I may need to read. And the tools to do this are generally extremely polished
- The freedom of setting the phone on true mute mode once and for all, unlike on certain idiot OS where you set the thing on mute, all system notifications get silenced, while everything else from media player to games continue to sing how ever loud it likes
And what I no long have:
- Don't have to pick from a thousand not so different but frequently buggy cooked ROMs
- Don't have to flash my phone like once per week to keep up with new version of cooked ROM franchise
- Don't have to comb through 10K apps, filter 90% of them (crapware swarm), and pray "God give me some actually useful app please, amen"
Anyway, I'm not sure why so many people chanting around "Android is much, much by the outdated WinMo". I believe that the value of a smartphone is reflected by what it can achieve. WinMo so far is still much better than Android on satisfying my professional and entertainment needs. Yep its UI is no match for Android's (at least less colorful). But I can't care less about that. Beautiful or not, get the job done first.
As to WP7 update. Well, I'm having great faith on XDA. Even if Microsoft and HTC decide to screw HD2 owners big time, chances are pretty good the magnificent young men (and women) here can make an unofficial update happen. It doesn't really matter for me if this is not happening. Right now I'm having everything I need already, and I'm happy. WP7 is only a plus.
it's so true ....
chassit said:
Ironically a handful of days ago I made similar decision. Except for that I was really, really pissed off by Android and decided to switch back to WinMo. So I got a HD2.
Now I'm (again) having:
- The capability to play almost every media format on my phone
- *REAL* GPS navigation suites
- Serious, polished, and visually attractive games, by lots
- Proper tool to manage my personal (2 of them) and business mail accounts, with attachment, reply record and everything
- Excellent applications to read *AND EDIT* Word and Excel files. It's vital to have this as a translator who frequently has to work on-the-go.
- PDB, PRC, CHM, LIT, TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, HTML, PDF in short, whatever document format I may need to read. And the tools to do this are generally extremely polished
- The freedom of setting the phone on true mute mode once and for all, unlike on certain idiot OS where you set the thing on mute, all system notifications get silenced, while everything else from media player to games continue to sing how ever loud it likes
And what I no long have:
- Don't have to pick from a thousand not so different but frequently buggy cooked ROMs
- Don't have to flash my phone like once per week to keep up with new version of cooked ROM franchise
- Don't have to comb through 10K apps, filter 90% of them (crapware swarm), and pray "God give me some actually useful app please, amen"
Anyway, I'm not sure why so many people chanting around "Android is much, much by the outdated WinMo". I believe that the value of a smartphone is reflected by what it can achieve. WinMo so far is still much better than Android on satisfying my professional and entertainment needs. Yep its UI is no match for Android's (at least less colorful). But I can't care less about that. Beautiful or not, get the job done first.
As to WP7 update. Well, I'm having great faith on XDA. Even if Microsoft and HTC decide to screw HD2 owners big time, chances are pretty good the magnificent young men (and women) here can make an unofficial update happen. It doesn't really matter for me if this is not happening. Right now I'm having everything I need already, and I'm happy. WP7 is only a plus.
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That’s what comes to my mind when I think Windows Mobile vs. Android
Actually I really don't care if Windows Phone 7 doesn’t get an "official" release for HD2.... Its current state is a "Solid Windows Mobile 6.5 PocketPC" which is exactly what was intended for it to be.
enjoy your little crappy java machine LOL that'll show em.
nucentury08 said:
Im done guys with Wm my Hd2 is up for sale no update for hardware that can run Wp7 they can have wp7 my hd2 is up for sale and i just picked up my new Nexus one just flashed the new HTC Desire Rom running at 1.3GHZ Im happy Hello Android mabey next time WM mabey next time
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"mabey" go to school and learn to spell next time? Just as a suggestion..
For Sale
My Xperia X1 is for sale as I have found out that it won't run Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition. Im also going to buy a Nexus One as it has a better chance of running Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition first! LOL
leba837 said:
My Xperia X1 is for sale as I have found out that it won't run Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition. Im also going to buy a Nexus One as it has a better chance of running Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition first! LOL
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I PM'd you with my offer
Hey,
I have 3 iPAQ 5450's sitting here, and I could probably spare one for development if anyone would actually be interested in it. Note that I only have one working cradle at the moment (might be able to get another if serious inquiries are made).
I'm fairly annoyed with a few aspects of WM2003, as I'm used to my HTC Herald (T-Mobile Wing). Simple things like no task manager like in WM5/6 (can't remember which is on the Herald), the the tray half-way working like I think it should, etc.
Here are the specs on the unit (shamelessly copy-pasted):
Processor: Intel XScale PXA250 400 MHz (I think this is actually faster than the Herald's OMAP 300MHz?)
* ROM 48 MB - Flash
* RAM 64 MB - SDRAM
* Installed RAM 64 MB
* Supported Flash Memory Cards SD Memory Card
* Max supported RAM 64 MB
* RAM technology SDRAM
* Installed ROM (48 MB max supported) , 48 MB Flash
* Display Type 3.8 in Color TFT active matrix ( Transflective )
* Display type 3.8 in TFT active matrix
* Image 16-bit (64K colors)
* Display Resolution 240 x 320
* Input device type Touch-screen , Stylus
* Type Touch-screen , Stylus
* Security Devices
# Wireless Connectivity IrDA , Bluetooth , IEEE 802.11b, Fingerprint reader
By the way, I just tried to edit this message, and have to wait just to edit? I'm not posting a new post or thread, so why does it make me wait?? Could I get my account reviewed and whatever flag set? The account might not be used a whole lot, but I've been registered since 5/28/09!!
Hi,
- Can you dump the rom of your device like here: http://www.a701.org/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=465 ?
Regards, ansar.
I might be able to do that... Would the ROM from BootBlaster (URL wont work, "To prevent spam to the forums, new users are not permitted to post outside links in their messages. All new user accounts will be verified by moderators before this restriction is removed." -- I've had the account over a YEAR now!!) work? I already have two of those as I tried Familiar (OPIE)
Hi,
Dump the three .raw files i.e. part00.raw, part01.raw, part02.raw (and /or part03.raw may be not needed if it is your storage card)
Then zip/rar them, upload to rapidshare and when logged in xda send me a private post with the link (in text mode).
If you already have the last hp rom upgrade file, if not download it, and upload this too.
Regards, ansar.
I'm not sure exactly where to get the utilities that are listed in the Mio thread you linked to. There were no links in the thread.
From what I understand, BootBlaster saves gzipped images of several areas: Boot, root, and [something else]. I already know how to use bootblaster, dd, and gzip. Hopefully it will have the information you need.
As far as uploading the HP WM2003 upgrade, I'm not too sure if I'm supposed to do that or not, as it is a paid upgrade? It is what is installed on all 3 devices, so I guess if someone will be getting the extra they might need it
WM5/6 needs at least 64MB ROM.
And porting device from WM2003 to WM5/6 is not an easy thing.
In past only 2 or 3 hTC phones did get custom ROM update from WM2003 to WM5/6.
I would suggest you to sell those iPAQs and buy something newer.
Doesn't really *have* to be a full upgrade to WM5/6... if there are ways to get some of the same functions over, I'd be happy. But WM5/6 would be kinda nice (though probably would be bloated).
One fo the other reasons not to just toss these units is that they are actually more powerful than some, if not most, of the cellphones being sold in the US right now. Hell, my Wing isn't *that* old... and it only has a 200MHz CPU. These iPAQs have double the CPU power. They might not have the greatest amount of memory, but if I'm right, the bootloader installed by bootblaster supports booting from a CF/SD. So the flash memory may not be an issue. (Not to mention that the filestore on the iPAQ will actually go poof if the main/backup batteries die, so sd/cf might be a better overall option).
You can't really compare 400MHz CPU made in 2002 and 200MHz CPU made in 2005.
If iPAQ CPU does have more MHz it dosen't mean it's faster.
BootBlaster is for Linux and Windows Mobile CAN'T boot from SD/CF card.
Not even to mention that iPAQ does have slow NOR-flash, instead of fast NAND-flash used in all new devices.
For point 1 & 2, that does make sense, but isn't there a standard to how MHz are measured? I guess I could see if there is a program to calculate the mips on both, though really mips isn't exactly perfect measurement either. But... the iPAQ actually runs many things I've much smoother than the Herald, which is why I assume that the iPAQ hardware may be a bit more robust. I could be wrong, as I'm a computer guy, not really handheld-savvy.
For 3, "Note that the Linux Bootloader will also boot PocketPC". Its just a bootloader. Much as GRUB will load linux and windows, the bootloader here seems to not care what it loads.
One thing I didn't know is that the bootloader couldn't boot from the SD/CF into another OS. I could swear I'd heard of someone doing so somewhere, though I can't find the page now. I figured the hald-held would have some form of BIOS, and that it perhaps could see the SD slot, similar to how a PC can boot from USB (or grub can as well).
Not sure how the NOR and NAND flash would affect it other than in read/write times. Again, this is something I'm pretty new to.
Anyhow, the point of my posting this thread was to see if anyone wanted to do some ROM work, perhaps some things could be used in WM2003 as well as WM5/6. I'm sure there are some things that could be done, and improvements made, with the machine, as it isn't 'bad' hardware. Granted, it's not a cell-phone, but more of a PDA with wireless and bluetooth capability. But it is something that can be made useful, instead of collecting dust in a closet, or perhaps an exhibit case I do have an old working Commodore 128D that is more an 'exhibit' than anything else... talk about a blast from the past!
I hate to see things set to the way-side just because there is something new and shiny out. Heck, I even re-purpose old-as-dirt PCs into useful things... I have a 500MHz BSD router that kicks the pants off any consumer router that costs $200+. I have another old 1.7GHz machine that acts as a CCTV/DVR. So it is natural for me to find useful things to do with the old iPAQs. Doesn't help that the Herald eats batteries
So, if I can get the old dog to learn some new tricks... it would be nice. I'm just trying to see if there is someone out there that knows *how* to teach the thing some new tricks.
What I want to say to you is that most likely no one will do any ROM cooking for h5450, WM2003 ROM modification was to hard for most users and never got any easy-to-use tools. Questions like yours pop up from time to time and no one has made any progress so far.
I cook ROMs for hx4700 and hx2000 series iPAQs they come from 2004 and 2005. Keeping them up-to-date with WM6.5 ROMs now was only possible because they did receive WM5 update.
ps not all old dogs can learn new tricks.
So I guess I'm kicking a dead dog? Wish there was a way to get WM5/6 on these things then... I wonder how much RAM the cellphone drivers/software use... if it is enough to get it below 48MB (tall order)... but yeah, I'll shaddup now
Duplicated post, delete me
From other side, I've heard that some ipaqs on the very beggining were sold with PPC Phone Edition OS (when you insert sim card to this "non working" slot under battery, you'll see gsm icon). If somebody has got such, and can post a rom dump (using bootblaster) to me, i'll be grateful.
Why?
I found a prototype motherboard, probably from iPaq h56xx (h5610), and it is to be identical to 54xx one, only rf module seems to be different.
Here is a thought.. Wonder if Android would run on these things...
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If you still have one to spare I would love developing a rom for it. If you can tell me what your looking for from the rom then I could work on one.
Yeah, still got 2 of these, could easily spare one. Right now the only things I've really been using the one for is a remote control for my TV. Lost my universal.
Would love to be able to get something going for it though. Something my kid could play with, perhaps a reader app. Just not sure if any exist for something as old as wm2003.
Right now the cash is tight, but once i get some to spare for shipping, I'll update ya, so you can tell me where to mail the thing.
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Is there a chance you could send one my way? I would love to work on and develope a rom for it!
Sure. Just need to get out of the financial nightmare I'm in so i can afford shipping.
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I will foot the shipping bill for you no problem. Thank you so much for this opprotunity I have never developed for this device before. Where are you shipping it from? Send me a private message with any info you need from me and ill reply with my address and any of the info. Thanks again!
Let me know
Let me know how this goes as I have a h5450 and was looking for something to do with it as it is at me mothers and been on charge for some time lol as well if you have any stable runs I will test