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So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye.

Well, it's been fun.
It was renewal day this weekend, here in the UK as many of you will know all our handsets are subsidised by the network operators. Therefore every so often we have the chance to "upgrade" our handsets, it is a merry dance. Once "out of contract", we can change operators, switch price plans, and get a new handset for "free" or a combination of any of these. It can all be rather confusing, but the long and the short of it is that I can get a shiny new piece of kit, so it's great.
Anyway, I've had the vario II on t-mobile in the UK for one year and now it's been chopped so I thought I'd leave my thoughts. It was good. Obviously I flashed it with jasjamming and more recently schaps plus several others. I reckon I flashed it probably 50 times, reinstalled settings and apps, a compulsive tinkerer I suppose!
Pros...
Full keyboard
High Speed Data on t-mobile was good and genuinely useful
TomTom 6 (with ext. gps receiver purchased on ebay for 30 quid)
Useable web browser (just)
Customisable with firmware flashing!
Amazing forum here full of helpful people
Cons...
BATTERY LIFE (it's appalling, there is no getting away from it)
Heavy as a hod of bricks
Form factor (too big)
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So what did I go for...
Nokia 6120 Classic.

wtf nokia 6120?!

Nothing like going back to the dark ages
you should have held out for a couple of months and got one of these
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_htctouch_dual.htm

I myself have bought a new N95 8GB as my second phone.

Bingobob,
Good luck to you. You made the choice you want and that's all that matters. Never quite sure why people think that what they would buy/get is what everyone else should buy/get!
What did you do with the t-mobile device then? Sell it or is it up for sale?
WB

that's the thing, not sure. Flash it with something I suppose and/or use it as a TomTom or ebay it. not sure.

Well if you fancy offloading it and its not too expensive, PM me. I am assuming its in good condition? Also assuming that its unlocked, etc, and you have all the bits for it?
Cheers
WB

It;s also for me the end..
I bought a Nokia N95.
Ciao, Good Bye

Each to their own. Personally I have to stay with touch screen phones... from here it will be the Kaiser or some variant down the line...

Same here, I love touch screens.
Although I'm very happy with my hermes I'm waiting for the the touch cruise.

Well, I'm waiting for a 3G iPhone, no more WM6 device I think.

Same here, when there's a good offer for the iphone I'll ditch the HTC. But as for 3G, that's only a vague rumor, I wouldn't count on it.

I could never go back to a non-Windows phone.
Especially for a Nokia or an iPhone.
I've played with various Nokias over the years and I think that they are the worst mobiles out of any I've ever touched.
As for the iPhone, over-hyped, over-priced, and under-developed.
I'm HTC's ***** now.

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Same here, when there's a good offer for the iphone I'll ditch the HTC. But as for 3G, that's only a vague rumor, I wouldn't count on it.
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They have to make one with 3G or it will not sell in Europe. Also needs mms.

i switched to IPHONE. and i am very stisfied.
i watched this forum for quite a while, but however you will patch the hermes, it will never come even near to the iphone. everybody tries to construct iphone-like UIs. so why not take the original one?
peter

I've moved from my TyTN to an iPhone. I can't see myself going back to the TyTN anytime soon either.

iPhone ist great for design (friggin awesome btw ) and "OS" only (included internet browsing) it's really neat and user friendly.
Otherwise all the rest is total crap, most of the time technology wise
No 3G (TyTN has 3G+) a heresy for a phone that want's to be "multimedia"
Camera 2megapixel (same as TyTN, crap for both )
Bad autonomy (i'm connected on 3G with BBC on all the time for straight 34h without any problems)
No email downloading possible or push mail
So if apple re-considers and brings out a phone that has all those abilities yeah I would gladly change. Moreover, BBC or something equivalent is for me top priority

what do you think about the new htc touch cruise...?

The Iphone is personally not for me. I want to customize the phone when I want to.
Also no 3G is really a deal braker for me.
As to the UI I admit MS has something to learn from Apple but other then that no thank you.

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The Iphone is personally not for me. I want to customize the phone when I want to.
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That's the cool thing, you actually can. What interests me and has drawn me to WM was the ability to fiddle with it, do a bunch of hacks and tweaks etc. However, while the thing is very flexible and powerful it's "unusable". 3 seconds to exit from sleep, up to 5-10 after opening the keyboard to let it rotate screen and become responsive again, ...
Once you've tried internet browsing on the iPhone / iPod touch you just realise that WM's IE even with addons is pretty much the worst thing you could think of, only to be used in last resort, while I can be nearly as effective on the iphone than on my PC...
Guys are developing apps for the iphone at the same rate than here on WM6, and having a full Unix-based OS allows for even a LOT more possibilities than a mobile Windows version...
The lack of 3G is indeed a pain. But then, when I use it on my HTC it's by using it as a modem for the laptop, as there's no way to actually make use of it on the device itself...
If there was an official news saying that the European one would have 3G I'd wait. But I'm not dreaming and know there is VERY little chance. We'll know soon, as France will have them in a few days. But for now, the imported ones are selling like hot cakes, suppliers are getting out of stock all the time and prices go up as they have difficulties sourcing them. So I don't think not having 3G will bother anyone. Especially with the sky-high prices for mobile internet around Europe.

HTC Touch Pro 2 = Fail?

I think so and I will tell you why. I have been following this phone since it was announced long ago. I to have been a proud HTC device owner but these days I am not so proud anymore.
I am a Windows Mobile fan. Currently I am using my old trusty or not so trusty these days HTC Kaiser/TYTN2. I became a big fan of the tilt feature. I am a tmobile user so back when the Kaiser was released not having 3g bands was not an issue because tmobile did not have 3g. I bought the Euro version and paid top dollar.
Since then its been hacked and modded to reduce glitches and increase speed but lets face it. The keyboard is worn and almost all keys require a super hard press due to wear and tear. Also the screen is tiny by todays standards. I didnt buy the Euro version of the TP2 because I live in the US and 3g is now an issue. So I waited for the tmobile release now confirmed for aug 12th. Right around the corner!
Those of you who didn't wait seem to be reporting endless bugs and glitches not to mention hardware problems. It is driving me nuts to the point that I am shying away from the TP2 hype. I have been following all the TP2 threads here and its bads news after bad news. Very different from when you all 1st got it.
Please someone speak some positive stuff otherwise I may end up holding onto my Kaiser for another year. Final rant.....the specs could be better. Damn Iphoney has an 800mhz processor and HTC just holds back!

I absolutely love it. I have not one problem with it, except for the battery door. I had to modify it a little but know its fine. Out of the 4 HTC phones I have owned, I think this is the best by far. Good luck with your findings.

Although I won't argue with you, the touch pro2 is a great phone for what it's intended for which is business users. It is lacking a bit hardware wise for multimedia and gaming, since it pretty much has the same processor and memory as its predecessor. It is for this reason that I am still trying to decide between the TP2 and samsung omnia II since it has the faster processor and beautiful AMOLED screen. So if you are shying away from the TP2 I would recommend the omnia II or the omnia pro (has hardware keyboard). Even though it annoyingly lacks a built in stylus (but thats just me).

The Great Malaki said:
The keyboard is worn and almost all keys require a super hard press due to wear and tear.
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Its probably not wear and tear. Its the same thing that happens with TV remotes. Over time, the oils from your fingers seep through the buttons and interfere with the contacts. If you were to take the keyboard appart and wipe down the contacts, no garauntee, but I bet it would work like new.

i think most of the problems people have (including myself) on their TP2 is 3rd party softwares imcompatable to the new UI on TP2. hope HTC will offer an update for TP2 sooner than September.
if you turn away from it for Samsung OmniaHD, make sure buy it from a local Samsung stores or from your mobile operator. i've been in a deep problem trying to get my Omnia i900 fixed. i bought my i900 from an idiot ebay seller named Cutrategoods70. when my i900 bricked from a firmware update, i tried to contact that idiot, never get a reply. i emailed SS service center in UK (coz SS US & Canada never heard of this model), thay told me to send to them. 5 weeks later they sent it back & said they not support "foreign unit". emailed SS Singapore & Malaysia, they said the same thing. Becareful when you buy a Samsung on ebay or internet stores
good luck for you finding the right device

I think is totally normal to see so many posts about defects / bugs. Usually, peoples who post threads here need help with something. If everyone posted a thread about "Everything's fine with my TP2" when their TP2 is working flawlessly ... well... it would be pretty useless to do that.
Think about it : it's normal to find broken cars in a car dealer's garage. It doesn't mean the car model is crap.

I second that. You will normally see threads asking how to improve things or how to fix things.
Most of the posts here are when people need something, find something that they think could help others, and that's about it. The closest thing you can find to general chat would be the speculation on future support or release dates.
In forums for my last phone you saw threads on how to fix things, and for new software made for it (as a closed platform it had to be hacked and forums where the few places you could get software for the OS, unlike Winmo).
If you'll notice many of the threads are duplicates, and some of the complaints are somewhat invalid as the phone was never designed to do X thing (a prime example are the complaints that the Euro version doesn't support North American 3G bands.
Every phone will have defects and problems unless it's a very well built dumb phone. The question is, just how many people are having said problems, and out of how many satisfied customers without those problems?
Like vakbrain said, you're not going to find a new thread singing the praises of the phone from every person who is happy with it. It'd be extremely tedious, boring, and space consuming.

I love my TP2. I bought it SIM-free so it was quite an investment of cash, but I think it was worth every penny. It has the odd glitch here and there, but then so does any piece of complex modern equipment. I'd fully recommend it without any hesitation at all.

I think my TP2 is great! Ive alerady installed some handy apps to it. Havent had any issues with the device itself really, more like things relating to it. Finding a Good belt clip case for it seems to be a challenge, and Finnic isnt finished yet, so it runs like crap. I would have liked to have a 3.5mm jack on it, but im dealing with the adapter. I do wish TouchFlo had its own Slide to Unlock on it, but meh. i have s2u2 for the moment.

Lyian said:
I think my TP2 is great! Ive alerady installed some handy apps to it. Havent had any issues with the device itself really, more like things relating to it. Finding a Good belt clip case for it seems to be a challenge, and Finnic isnt finished yet, so it runs like crap. I would have liked to have a 3.5mm jack on it, but im dealing with the adapter. I do wish TouchFlo had its own Slide to Unlock on it, but meh. i have s2u2 for the moment.
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hi Lyian, could you please tell me does s2u2 work ok on yours?
i installed the WQVGA v2.04, it doesn't look right to me since everything so small & sticking together. VGA version look normal on my screen. other thing is when i set On Battery Power>Blank Screen on Talk, it works once, try the 2nd time the screen off then back on again. any idea to config it right?
thanks

I am using S2U2 on mine and it works fine. I am using the VGA version and it's flawless.
I love my Pro2!! no problems at all!!

One big difference
Hi all
Thought I'd add a comment.
The one big difference between my Touch Pro2 and every other HTC phone is that the TP2 works extremely well out of the box and while some people are annoyed with all the bundled software (i.e. M3D and it's incalculable extensions) I actually think that this makes is a better device and would rather have more of this than less.
The point is: It does everything I want it to almost out of the box. This has not been the case with any other HTC device I have owned/used.
Best wishes
andrew-in-woking

vakbrain said:
I think is totally normal to see so many posts about defects / bugs. Usually, peoples who post threads here need help with something. If everyone posted a thread about "Everything's fine with my TP2" when their TP2 is working flawlessly ... well... it would be pretty useless to do that.
Think about it : it's normal to find broken cars in a car dealer's garage. It doesn't mean the car model is crap.
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Thank you. I'm waiting for it to come out (couple weeks near me). Can't wait, watched plenty of unboxing videos and walkthroughs. *fist pump* Im ready lol.

sakshaug007 said:
Although I won't argue with you, the touch pro2 is a great phone for what it's intended for which is business users. It is lacking a bit hardware wise for multimedia and gaming, since it pretty much has the same processor and memory as its predecessor. It is for this reason that I am still trying to decide between the TP2 and samsung omnia II since it has the faster processor and beautiful AMOLED screen. So if you are shying away from the TP2 I would recommend the omnia II or the omnia pro (has hardware keyboard). Even though it annoyingly lacks a built in stylus (but thats just me).
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I wouldn't recommend the OMNIA II or PRO because they have only 137MB of RAM. That's hardly enough to run any software. I was really looking forward to the new OMNIA phones but it's a big disappointment with the lack of ram. I do admit other specs on the phone looks great but without the right amount of ram, the phone is very limited.

No Fail
Had my TP2 for just over a week now, so still getting used to it but I've had absolutely NO issues with it, so far it has surpassed my expectations. It seems fast, responsive and I like the functionality.
The guys who point out that people write in to forums with problems are absolutely correct. People don't just write in to say "I love it" most people here seem to be advanced users, happy to tweak and hack their phones to get that extra 10% out of them.
I'm a business user, I don't anticipate playing many games (that's what the DS/PSP etc. are for) and as a business user I think this phone rocks!
My anti-fail 2c!

No problems at all with mine. Very impressed, kicks my TP's ass in every department except LED flash.
Brilliant phone, top marks to TF3d too.

Well, I haven't gotten a TP2 yet - still waiting for AT&T to release theirs - in the meantime I'm living with my 2.5 year old Virgin Mobile USA prepaid phone, but ready to make the leap to a contract.
What I can say is that the phenomenon where everyone writes in to a forum (especially a big one like XDA) about their issues makes the problems seem much worse than they actually are. For every person posting here about a problem there are at least 2 more that have had NO problem and wouldn't even think of coming to an online forum to solve issues with their phone.
For example, I bought an Asus EeePC last fall, and went to the premier EeePC forum at the time to see what others were saying - it sounded depressing too! Everyone with issues. Then I realized that A) people wouldn't go to a forum to solve a problem if they didn't love the device and wanted to keep it, they'd just get rid of it if they didn't like it, and B) the people who come to forums are device tweakers who must have things just so (I'm one of them too) and thus are looking for feedback regarding their particular pet peeve or issue caused by the one program they just MUST use. People complained about cracks in the hardware, or messed up keyboards, or whatever, but I've thrown my EeePC 1000H in and out of airports plenty of months and it has yet to be less than 100% satisfying, other than the $150 drop in price over when I bought it 10 months ago!
So, what I'm saying is, this is a phenomenon unique to the interwebz and electronics junkies in general, so don't be discouraged by all the negatives around here, in the end we're all just questing to make an amazing device even closer to perfect.

andrew-in-woking said:
Hi all
Thought I'd add a comment.
The one big difference between my Touch Pro2 and every other HTC phone is that the TP2 works extremely well out of the box and while some people are annoyed with all the bundled software (i.e. M3D and it's incalculable extensions) I actually think that this makes is a better device and would rather have more of this than less.
The point is: It does everything I want it to almost out of the box. This has not been the case with any other HTC device I have owned/used.
Best wishes
andrew-in-woking
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I must agree with Andrew. I own about 15 HTC phones, starting with the Wallaby, back in 2002. When I unboxed my TP2, I immediately thought 'what do I have to modify now?'. But it worked perfectly out of the box and i havent modified anything. I only installed my connection and Coreplayer... Simply good.
One flaw however is the resolution, which is incompatible with some of my software. But those titles are not vital for me.
So, now I am waiting for the next big hit... HTC SUPERSTAR...where are you??????

henh said:
hi Lyian, could you please tell me does s2u2 work ok on yours?
i installed the WQVGA v2.04, it doesn't look right to me since everything so small & sticking together. VGA version look normal on my screen. other thing is when i set On Battery Power>Blank Screen on Talk, it works once, try the 2nd time the screen off then back on again. any idea to config it right?
thanks
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The WQVGA is the wrong version for the TP2, you want the VGA version (WQVGA is for smaller resolution phones like the Tilt)
I would say it does work 'ok' on mine. I do have an issue with it here and there that i wont go into here, but for the most part, it doest what i want it to, which is, to keep me from accidentally calling people lol.

OP needs to stop worrying, TP2 is a fantastic device and also get off the apple hype bs, iPhone doesn't have an 800mhz processor lol, more like around 600 for the 3GS, even less for the 3G.

TP2 or HD2? Trying to upgrade. =)

Hey all, I use my G1 and love it, Was happy with my MDA but now comes the debate.. TP2 or HD2, TP2 is still more expensive and I like the keyboard idea more.. but seems HD2 is stronger.
I know TP2 can install android os which sounds cool. But bottom line, should I forget about the HD2 and go after a TP2 or would you all say HD2 is defiantly better?
Im looking to use this more as a pocket pc vs a phone. =)

Hello,
As anyone day for ages: Rhodium has the best keyboard a smartphone has ever had. If you type a lot - go for Rhodium. Otherwise, Leo is in any way better imho.
Greetings,
Happy Rhodium user )

Yeah, if you are looking for pocket pc functionality I would go with the TP2. I can run Ubuntu on it, which you can't do with the HD2 (yet) I really really really can't say enough good things about the keyboard. But the HD2 is more horsepower for less cash. So if you need a keyboard for a more pc like experience, TP2. Otherwise, the HD2 seems like a natural choice.

Yea Im looking at HD2 specs.. quite impressive, flash camera, 5mp camera, 1 ghz processor (vs 528), wifi router mode (This one is big for me.. I use that on my g1 all the time, but if this built in one lets PSP, PS3 etc connect, then thats instant win!)
I heard from some the vk is not that bad. Big enough screen.
TP2 running ubuntu, I LIKE that idea ALOT. I always believe terminal commanding on a vk sucks.. but Id be willing to go for it. Processor speed and ram is always good to have.

TP2 is an awesome device, but I got used to typing on the display, and since the Leo's one is definitely bigger, I would choose the powerful HD2 now - with no doubts. I thought I cannot live without HW QWERTY keyboard, but it's all just about first few days (I hated the software keyboard for week or two). I recommend you HD2, although I'm TP2 user witch no major complaints .
BTW, TP2 can do WiFi routing with no problem . But the Ubuntu really sucks for now. Pain in the ass to move the cursor around.

HD2 will have the ability to run Android too you think? Or can it dual boot?

Yes, for sure the HD2 will get Android thru hatret. I would get even a step ahead writing that HD2 will run the Android much faster then TP2

When you do android on TP2 or HD2 would it have root access too?

I've used my TP2 as a wireless router for my laptop. Only tried with my laptop and my sisters imac, both worked.
Best place to check would be the android tp2 developer forums

WHOO HOO! Already sold out on CS. I got mine for 200$ I am now the owner of a HD2 =D ty all.

It'll be nice to see a comparison between tp2 and hd2. I know reviews are all over the place, and I have played hd2 in the store (of course they're out of stock, it's just the display model I'm fiddling with), but always nice to see from a person with real hands-on experience.
I wouldn't mind the upgrade, except I can't justify it. As a current tp2 user I really don't care the keyboard that much (touchpal takes care of all the type I need, plus copy paste, etc), but one flaw I found with hd2 is the phone is locked in portrait in word when I rotate it. I was trying to access the larger landscape keyboard in word, and it seemed not available. In contrast, iphone does this a lot better. I wish I can achieve that w/o additional software (I know it's do-able with other software but why do I have to?)
HD2 has all the awesome hardware specs, and I would very much like to get one if I don't already own my tp2 (can't really do the upgrade though). However what deters me also include the dying wm6.5 OS. Granted I think I hate wm7 even more (c'mon, MS, don't make wm another iphone OS), and I prefer the HD2 hardware running android. Maybe this is what I really want:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-is-sprints-android-powered-knight-in-superphone-armo/

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TP2 or HD2, TP2 is still more expensive and I like the keyboard idea more.. but seems HD2 is stronger.
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On amazon.com the HD2 is more expensive than the TP2.
But would be interesting to know, where you got your HD2 for $200 !!!

Good thing you chose the HD2. It beats the Rhodium in every way but the keyboard. But it comes with a great VK called Swype. I'm using that now on my Nexus One and its the fastest VK I have ever used! Nearly as fast as using my Rhodium's keyboard.
The Rhodium is extremely sluggish and the HD2 is not sluggish in any way. I tried one out a couple days ago and was blown away.

uhm,... anyone can answer my question? Where is the HD2 sold for cheaper than the TP2 ?

I got mine with a 2 year upgrade for my tmobile contract. =) 200$

Don-Carlo said:
uhm,... anyone can answer my question? Where is the HD2 sold for cheaper than the TP2 ?
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Amazon and Wirefly both have it for $99 right now with a new line, and both they and T-mobile direct are offering it for $199 with a line upgrade.

Thanks Mysticales and sirphunkee!
Oh ok,... I thought you were talking about retailer prices (without a new line or upgrade). Cuz I was looking at amazon for just the devices and the HD2 is clearly more expensive than the TP2.
$99/$199 with a new line/upgrade is still a really good price,... they dont sell that cheap in Germany. Even with the most expensive service provider contract (about $150 / month fixed costs) you still have to add $300 for the device. Ridiculously expensive.

Don-Carlo said:
Thanks Mysticales and sirphunkee!
Oh ok,... I thought you were talking about retailer prices (without a new line or upgrade). Cuz I was looking at amazon for just the devices and the HD2 is clearly more expensive than the TP2.
$99/$199 with a new line/upgrade is still a really good price,... they dont sell that cheap in Germany. Even with the most expensive service provider contract (about $150 / month fixed costs) you still have to add $300 for the device. Ridiculously expensive.
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It helps to balance out how much WE have to pay for an Audi or BMW over here
Do US T-mo devices work on the european T-mo network?

I bought the HD2 for my mother-in-law; I kid you not; my M-I-L but she's the cool type; anyway, I got the device 6 days after I ordered it March 24 and like all HardSPL2'd and flashed it with NRGZ28's Leo version of the ROM I have on my Touch Pro2.
Personally, I'm on the fence. I am absolutely in love with the Touch Pro2's form factor and keyboard. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know there's twice the horsepower under the hood of the HD2. We have 3G in town but where we live we have EDGE and if there was any one thing that stood out between my Rhodium and her Leo and that was how smooth Opera, Skyfire and MIE pulled up web pages and pretty darn fast despite EDGE.
Where the HD2 also excels is on a windshield mount and there above all using yuor finger pads really shines. I use CoPilot Live 8 and no problems at all using it there or any of the homescreen functions.
I use my TP2 for CoPilot Live 8, internet, email, text, taking pictures; games while I play a little I really have no interest. The TP2 was introduced by T-Mobile as the device for business professionals and the HD2 for entertainment and I really think that's how this is going to shape itself out and of course the keyboard.
Look, I put the 16 gig sd card in my TP2 and it ran the movies flawless. The games loaded and they ran flawless.
The HD2's form factor is my biggest issue; it reminds me of watching the Star Trek series; particularly TNG and remember those pads? That's what this device feels like in your hand; like holding the edge of a coffee plate. Body Glove makes a case for the Touch Pro2 that can take a beating; the HD2 is fragile and I've yet to see a case for it that can take the beating the case for the TP2 can. What's in T-Mobile stores today is a clear case and a kick stand and if there was ever one device that cried out for a screen protector this baby is it.
The HD2 is one of those devices I like and I don't like and T-Mobile introduced the device at a price set lower than the introduction of the TP2 and I bet the house had they introduced the TP2 at $199; they'd been sold out too, but up to about a week before the HD2 launched TP2s went for $269.99 with contract.
My data plan is T-Mobile Web (Unlimited T-Zones) and it's no secret its identical in every function as Unlimited Web for Smart Phones; difference is $19 cheaper at $5.99. Retail vs Contract or $449.99 vs $199.99 or $250.00 difference. That's a payoff of the device in 13 months if I choose not to factor my older MyFaves Plan vs Even More or Even More Plus into the equation. For those of us who have been with any one provider, let's be real, a device with voice, text and data isn't exactly cheap.
For those of us with grandfather plans it isn't just how cool the device is; it too is do we go it without a contract or with a contract; however for us a contract forces us to change our plan. The irony of it is, there is nothing in T-Mobile T&C that says T-Mobile Web is any less of a data plan than web2go or Unlimited Web for Smart Phones.

Ill agree there, Web browsing is actually ENJOYABLE now on the HD2. Which is good!

goodbye touch pro 2

it seems after a year of having the tp2 its just not for me.
in the 1st week i had it, i had to exchange the handset as it was faulty. since then its been repaired a few times and i had enough. so after a complaint or 2 vodafone have offerd to replace it for a new handset and ive gone for the desire.
i have a feeling that i will miss the slide out qwerty keyboad, but only time will tell.
but im glad that i will be having a phone with a faster processor and one that weighs alot less then the tp2.
i wasnt keen on flashing the rom ect, but i loved the phone because every other ****er i know hasnt got one or seen one before lol
ii would just like to thank everyone that has helped me out with my tp2 when i was after apps and tweeks and maybe you can help me once again when i get the new phone

I've been a loyal WM user for a few years, but the days of WM6 are sunsetting. The Desire is a nice phone, I'd be willing to trade up to that, given an opportunity like yours. Android is a sweet OS to have now, with plenty of apps, customization, and nice hardware. And if flashing ROMs is your thing, have no fear. Android/Desire has plenty of custom ROMs. Just root the thing and flash away!

i havnt a clue if your on a contract or not, have insurance ect, had your phone exchanged before or repaired or not? but it maybe worth calling your network operator to see if they can do anything for you.
I was told this is being done as a good will jesture and wont be done again. and if i dont like the desire then they will not be exchanging it.
depending who ya speak to and what the problems are they may offer you something similar.
i was without my tp2 for 4 weeks just for a software downgrade, the deep scratches on the side of the keyboard was not repaired, and the screen was alot less sensative when it was returned.
and because they dont have the TP2 anymore thaty why i got the desire.
I woulda payed a bit more for the desire Z tbh with the keyboard. i have a feeling that i will miss that lol

SMF_12 said:
i havnt a clue if your on a contract or not, have insurance ect, had your phone exchanged before or repaired or not? but it maybe worth calling your network operator to see if they can do anything for you.
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Unfortunately, I'm on AT&T in the US. They sold their souls to Apple to gain iPhone exclusivity, and therefore only offer budget priced low-spec Android devices. Even the announced Windows Phone 7 devices coming from ATT look pretty disappointing.
I'll motor on with my trusty TP2/Tilt2 for a while longer. And seeing as I'm only one year into my contract, if anything happens to my phone, or I feel like switching (before I'm eligible for an upgrade), I'll likely seek an unlocked Android phone compatible with ATT's network.

Though I would naturally enjoy a faster processor and more memory, it would take a lot for me to abandon the wonderful size and form factor of the Touch Pro 2. Spacious, but not bulky. Best keyboard in the market, tiltscreen, large and responsive screen... Plus, Sense+Cookie makes for a great user experience and very attractive interface.
I understand your position and I think you made a good choice, given the situation. On the other hand, I have had my TP2 for a couple of months now and it is working like a breeze. I wouldn't change it of anything without a physical qwerty keyboard containing dedicated numerical keys.

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it seems after a year of having the tp2 its just not for me.
in the 1st week i had it, i had to exchange the handset as it was faulty. since then its been repaired a few times and i had enough. so after a complaint or 2 vodafone have offerd to replace it for a new handset and ive gone for the desire.
i have a feeling that i will miss the slide out qwerty keyboad, but only time will tell.
but im glad that i will be having a phone with a faster processor and one that weighs alot less then the tp2.
i wasnt keen on flashing the rom ect, but i loved the phone because every other ****er i know hasnt got one or seen one before lol
ii would just like to thank everyone that has helped me out with my tp2 when i was after apps and tweeks and maybe you can help me once again when i get the new phone
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just bought myself a htc tP2 and the work excellent. i had android in a while, but failed to satisfy my requirements.

Love Mine
I would be hard pressed to get rid of my TP2, I dont care about the bulk. The keyboard, and touch screen response is great, plus in my business, having the confrence speaker setup is the best.
We have 1 other WM6 phone in the houyse, of course hacked, and 2 androids, Rooted, lol. But there screens just dont do it, i like the ability to use a stylis, or a quick touch, the androids just dont have it.

I have had my Rhodium since they were released, never had a single thing go wrong with it (hardware wise) the most Ive done hardware wise is replace the screen protector. I think its a great phone (Although a little underpowered.)

I have my TP2 since it came to the stores... I got it a day or two earlier as one of my friends works in a tel. shop. I still love the phone, the design etc.. The only thing which I don't like is the ROM.. That's why I flashed one of the NRG ROM's on it.
However I think my next phone will be a HTC phone with a full qwerty keyboard and Android on it. Pretty much like the HTC Desire Z.

The TP2 was the best phone I had. In my opionion it's outdated though. I traded my TP2 for a BB Bold 9700 Which I then sold of course, why do I want a blackberry
Then I bought a broken Desire and fixed it
With Swype, I almost don't miss the hardware keys

i started using my desire yesternight, havnt had time to set it up yet. i do miss some of the features that the tp2 has but do like having a faster phone without any flashing, and less bulk in my pockets. i forgot i had a phone in my pocket today tbh. lol

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i started using my desire yesternight, havnt had time to set it up yet. i do miss some of the features that the tp2 has but do like having a faster phone without any flashing, and less bulk in my pockets. i forgot i had a phone in my pocket today tbh. lol
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Im guessing that within three months you start flashing again After a while you want the Desire HD sense version. And after that you want Android 3.0

lol ya never know
btw if anyones interested i will shortly be selling the zagg invisible shield i had recently purchased and 2 brand new oem htc stylus pens and a non oem brand new headset and an oem headsets that again is brand new lol

the stuff i have for sale can now be found here.

Orange choices

I can't be the only person facing this choice...
I need to replace my aging HTC Touch HD (Blackstone) as my contract expires the end of this month.
I have the choice of the Omnia 7 and HTC Mozart.
I was originaly leaning towards the Mozart but having seen a few reviews now the Omnia seems to be a possibly better bet.
There are conflicting opinions of the camera on the Mozart, some say it's great others saying it's not as good as the Omnia's 5MP job.
The screen does look beautiful on the Omnia but I just don't know. Maybe people having the same dilema as me or those who have made the choice already could add their opinions to aid me and possibly others!
Many thanks!

I had the same dilemna yesterday. My Touch Pro 2 broke and my phone insurance offered to try and get a replacement or offer me the cash (£360!!).
I looked at the Mozart and the Omnia and have opted for the Mozart. Spec wise they seem very similar, but I think the Mozart seems a bit sturdier. It is arriving on Tuesday!

Definitely go for the Mozart. The Galaxy S left a bad taste in my mouth. HTC build quality > Samsung build quality.

I like the Samsung built phones but HTC built phones are also good.
I would just look at the specs / battery life / display / extras etc.
That way you can find one that suits your needs.

The Samsung looks better, especially because the display blends well into the phone frame.
However considering how text and contrast heavy the WP7 UI is, the Pentile pattern in AMOLED isn't exactly optimal for sharpness. At least I can make the color fringing on texts as well as the gritty Pentile pattern in images out rather well (I guess having not yet bad eyes helps). Right now I have a Nexus and can make things out, a larger display will worsen it for me personally.
So I'm making the compromise and go for a HTC device with SLCD (Trophy tho, not the Mozart).
Also, in the end, the hit on the battery will be generally less, seeing how browsing is a major activity, and that most websites have white or bright backgrounds, without AMOLEDs power draw in play. Samsung has a bigger battery tho.

I went for the Mozart as the Omnia's screen is a little too large for me. It's due for delivery Monday but I won't get it until Tuesday or Wednesday as I'm not at my Billing Address.

Thanks for the input.
One of the concerns I had was regarding the build quality of the Samsung model since it hasn't really been their strong point on previous handsets.
I read different opinions on the casing of the Omnia 7, mostly saying it is much improved.

I got the Omnia 7 from Orange yesterday build quality is good and the screen is awsome... Free on 18 month contract £35 per month.... So will have the option to upgrade again Jan 2012 (after 15 months)........ Had no crashes so far!!

ebzrascal said:
I got the Omnia 7 from Orange yesterday build quality is good and the screen is awsome... Free on 18 month contract £35 per month.... So will have the option to upgrade again Jan 2012 (after 15 months)........ Had no crashes so far!!
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A question regarding the camera on the Omnia. Reviews have stated the flash is overpowering and not that useful. However I assume since it's LED it means that it can be turned on costantly for use on video recording and could double up as a torch.. something the Mozart with a xenon cannot do?
Thanks

I'm in exactly the same boat. I've been holding off upgrading for 4 months now to see how WP7 pans out. Would like to stay with Orange but this isn't a requirement.
I wanted to ask, has anyone actually tried the phones out before buying? Are the phones in the shops yet? I haven't got down to one yet (my second son was born yesterday, so I have a good excuse), so don't know. I don't think I'd want to commit to 18 months (at least) without trying the hardware out first.
And of course, there's always the HD2, sorry HD7 on O2. Like a mini-tablet, only fits in your pocket, unlike a Streak. I'll need to try this one out too.

Having spoken to Orange they aren't offering particularly good options with regards to renewing so I did look around. However what I was offered is still better than O2 will do so the HD7 was out for me.
The LG on Vodafone didn't really inspire me nor did the Trophy.
I wish the Venue Pro (Lightning was such a better name) was offered on a carrier.
I'm heading into town tomorrow so was going to ring up my local Orange shop to see if they had either handsets in stock so that i could have a play with them.
Another thing I was curious about that had been raised in other posts was if the Omnia had Gorilla glass as with the Galaxy. That would be a real plus point for me as i do worry about having such a big screen after managing to crack my Touch HD even though i treat my phones with great care.

mtb_baz said:
I'm in exactly the same boat. I've been holding off upgrading for 4 months now to see how WP7 pans out. Would like to stay with Orange but this isn't a requirement.
I wanted to ask, has anyone actually tried the phones out before buying? Are the phones in the shops yet? I haven't got down to one yet (my second son was born yesterday, so I have a good excuse), so don't know. I don't think I'd want to commit to 18 months (at least) without trying the hardware out first.
And of course, there's always the HD2, sorry HD7 on O2. Like a mini-tablet, only fits in your pocket, unlike a Streak. I'll need to try this one out too.
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Been with Orange for what seems like a life time and like you I'm also out of contract and looking for a suitable replacement. I actually jumped ship and went to o2 (for the best part of a day). I got the HD7 for £45 a month on a 24 month contract which includes insurance. I had to pay £49 for the handset though but to be honest I really didn't feel comfortable leaving Orange were I was paying £35 a month (which includes insurance) for less minutes...
Again being totally honest, the HD7 is a beast of a phone. Compared to my Blackstone (which I've flashed the hell out of) the HD7 is just stunning. The large screen and handset quality easily gives you bragging rights ahead of any phone. It just seemed to work out of the box but strangely enough, something just didn't feel right. Maybe it was the big screen that I used to drool over. Maybe it was the fact I had to leave Orange. Maybe it was the fact that I couldn't flash my phone no more. I just don't know. Because of these reservations, I reluctantly returned the phone (still in shock I did this). I've decided to give WP7 another chance and I have ordered the Samsung Omnia7 on Orange, which is free of charge on a 18 month contract for £35 a month, 600min and unlimited internet. The phone arrives on Monday and I will certainly give it a good try. The reviews I’ve read are encouraging so I’m keeping an open mind. If I still have any doubts about the phone, I’ll return it and wait for the Desire HD on Orange.
For me the jury is still out for WP7. Don't get me wrong, it very user friendly and intuitive, however my only concern is that the operating system has been completely locked down like the Iphone. Simple tasks like syncing with outlook and mass storage access through explorer is a thing of the past. For me, it’s a change of mindset. I’m cool with this but old habits die hard.

Can I just say to everyone considering a trophy...
Please go and check it out with your Hands!
It's a piece of plastic junk after seeing it in a vodafone store... it's definitely the super budget WP7...
Also take note the screens on Trophy and Mozart are different, the Mozart's being 0.1" less but a much better quality display to my eye!
Just talk with Orange, they are doing great deals on the Mozart, please get that instead of a trophy!
Also if you want OLED, Omnia 7 has a metal wrapped back... it's quite solid, there's no creaks! It's sexy.

Yeah even HTC says the HTC Trophy is their bottom of the line "budget" WP7 device. Not saying it's bad, just that it's meant to be the budget phone.

Phone Titan said:
I like the Samsung built phones but HTC built phones are also good.
I would just look at the specs / battery life / display / extras etc.
That way you can find one that suits your needs.
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I think he should only worry about exras, consiering all 1st gen phones are the bare minimum microsoft outlined
I mean, come on. Why didn't sammy put a hummingird in the omnia to atleast make it stand out a lil more?
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I think he should only worry about exras, consiering all 1st gen phones are the bare minimum microsoft outlined
I mean, come on. Why didn't sammy put a hummingird in the omnia to atleast make it stand out a lil more?
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Because MS told them not to, they're strict. And that's good for us.. we all know how Sammy screwed up galaxy s (maybe they'll fix it now - in november rls..NOT)

went into my local Orange shop today.
They don't have any Mozarts in and won't for a few days. They don't know when the Omnia is coming in and said only a limited number are available in the country.
So no new insights gained! I may just plump for the Omnia and if i don't like it i can return it for the Mozart.

What's the price difference between the Mozart and the Trophy... if its a budget wp7 phone?

Phone Titan said:
What's the price difference between the Mozart and the Trophy... if its a budget wp7 phone?
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Orange don't have the Trophy at the moment it's on Vodafone.
I have a leaflet here from Vodafone store:
FREE HTC 7 Trophy
- 300 minutes
- Unlimited standard UK Texts
- 500MB of UK Web access
£25 a month on a 24-month agreement
Same tariff on Orange
HTC Mozart
- 300 minutes
- Unlimited standard UK Texts
- 500MB UK Web Access
£25 a month on a 24-month agreement
Plus £100 handset cost.
(Or free on a more expensive tariff)
£100 over 2 years remember is £4.17 a month

I'm on the verge of ordering the Omnia I think.
Looking at reviews the camera picture quality seems better on the Omnia than the Mozart, likely due to Samsung having better camera hardware than HTC. I know the camera on my HD is attrocious.
It's so difficult to decide as there is so little between the launch hardware. I like HTC as a company as my Blackstone has been superb, just there is nothing stand out on the Mozart for me really...
Gutted that the Orange stores didn't have any in to play with though. In the past there have been clear choices, such as the Touch HD vs Xperia X1 was any easy decision for me.