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HTC Touch Pro?

Anyone ever heard of this device? Basically, it appears that its a touch diamond with a sliding keyboard. Notice i didnt say qwerty keyboard as it has a 5th row of keys that have the numbers on the top row, similar to a PC keyboard. And it also appears it has 4 arrow keys as well, the only major thing it doesnt seem to have is a 10-key, so it more resembles most laptop keyboards (although signifigantly smaller) sooo...... here's to me hoping t-mobile releases this device, expected to be released in Q4 in north america and latin america. here's a little article i found about it, with one pic in the article
http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=1155

I'm looking forward to this device as well. I have been waiting patiently for something new? Is this going to work with tmo 3g?

gottifour said:
I'm looking forward to this device as well. I have been waiting patiently for something new? Is this going to work with tmo 3g?
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Ya I think it should by the way, I think that the 3G might be delayed for a while longer, thats what I heard from a Tmobile Representative.

It sure looks nice, but that's the problem for me. I couldn't keep one of those new, piano-black phones in good-looking condition for long. That's one BIG reason I like the DASH.

Agreed, I work in the elements for a living. I have to keep my phone in the van or my pocket, so one of these things would look like crap in about a month, and that's if I tried really hard.

yah thats true, its hard to keep the dash looking nice to lol...

this touch pro is a relief. when i learned of the touch diamond not having an external memory slot, i felt it was not worth it. but the touch pro DOES have it, which is a huge plus along with the slide keyboard. but now i noticed in the specs that the touch pro's colours are 65,536 compared to the touch diamond with 262,144. what the hell's all that about??? now im once again discouraged because of this difference. still would test drive it though.
oh and by the way, use the dash for primary use, and the touch series for "pimpin" occassions. hahaha... that would help keep your new phone lookin clean.
T-Mobile MDA Vario IV:
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/specs.php?id=2522
T-Mobile MDA Compact IV:
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/specs.php?id=2521

It's the HTC diamond with keyboard codename raphael. The regular diamond is pokey from what I have read about it so far. Engadget or Gizmodo has one, they aren't happy.

Windows 7 on HTC Touch Pro2?

I've heard that they won't make the HTC Touch Pro2 windows 7 compatible because of the resistitive touchscreen. But they would make it for HTC HD2 (because it has capacitive screen).
Is this true?
And if so,. what about 6.5.1?

WinMo7 will probably not work on the TP2. As for '6.5.1', well, considering most of the ROMs on this site are running '6.5.3', I think it's safe to say that your question is already answered

NNesin said:
I've heard that they won't make the HTC Touch Pro2 windows 7 compatible because of the resistitive touchscreen. But they would make it for HTC HD2 (because it has capacitive screen).
Is this true?
And if so,. what about 6.5.1?
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I am sure the great chefs here at XDA will manage to cook a wm7 ROM for Rhodium
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NNesin said:
I've heard that they won't make the HTC Touch Pro2 windows 7 compatible because of the resistitive touchscreen. But they would make it for HTC HD2 (because it has capacitive screen).
Is this true?
And if so,. what about 6.5.1?
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windows mobile 7 will not support resistive screens, but i am sure there is a go-around way that will be leaked and implemented, Lol
what i dont understand is why HTC is making considerable amount of new phones that run WM6.5 and have resistive screens (not capacitive so they can be upgraded to WM 7.0 officially)

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Thank you,
I don't know nothing about these ROM's for windows mobile phones (actually, with the entire windows mobile OS).
Is there a page where I can read the basics of how these things work? Like what a ROM exactly is, how to apply it onto your phone, will it remove ur guarantee. I'm kinda noob Gonna buy this HTC Touch pro2 soon so (preferring it over HD2 [is this weird? lol]), i assume that flashing is worth it.
Thanks in advance

Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.

i prefer tp2 over hd2.
i love the physical keyboard. whammy.

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Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
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Well I would perfer the TP2 over an HD2 ANY DAY my friend. and im Checked as well.
From desgin to hardware its all pretty the same - except maybe for the CPU+Camera.. .. but Consodering the lovley keyboard on tp2 - makes it all worth it. And a Winner of course.
Pitty that WM 7 wont work on the tp2, but it doesent nesserserly mean that its impossible.. like mentioned before it WILL probebly be cooked\made by our developers on xda for the tp2 :, or simply wait until htc releases a Touch pro 3 with 1 Ghz of processor.

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Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
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I stand with the rest of them, a physical keyboard AND tilting screen rule.
I could also care less about capacitive touch, as resistive is much more precise, thoug lacking in multi-touch :/

No ...
Even if the chiefs will be able to make WM 7.0 run on the TP2 .. i find it hard that it would be usable, ... as lots of the minimum requirments of the WM7.0 do not exist in TP2
ARM v6+, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (TP2 has Open GL ES 1.0), and Multi-touch is required (not optional)!
source: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/05/12/microsoft-pink-specs-windows-mobile-7-requirements-leak.html
so even if we be able to some how override those requirements, the device will be exceptionally sluggish

NNesin said:
Thank you,
I don't know nothing about these ROM's for windows mobile phones (actually, with the entire windows mobile OS).
Is there a page where I can read the basics of how these things work? Like what a ROM exactly is, how to apply it onto your phone, will it remove ur guarantee. I'm kinda noob Gonna buy this HTC Touch pro2 soon so (preferring it over HD2 [is this weird? lol]), i assume that flashing is worth it.
Thanks in advance
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Have a deep read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550540
l3it3r said:
Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
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I´m weird too as I prefer it for sure
xredjokerx said:
i prefer tp2 over hd2.
i love the physical keyboard. whammy.
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Agree
Among other great features!
Rhodium!!!!!!!

What the difference in screens?
New guy here.
Can someone explain the difference between the Resistive and Capacitative screens and why it makes a difference? My only point of reference is that I've used an Axim x51v since that model first came out. I'm looking at the TP2 to replace my Axim and my cell phone in the coming weeks. However, the stats on the HD2 looks more like what I've been waiting for and a closer match to the abilities of my Axim.
Anyway, just curious what the differences were?

TP2 vs. HD2: I also prefer the TP2. If only it had a Snapdragon inside...
JohnMcD348 said:
New guy here.
Can someone explain the difference between the Resistive and Capacitative screens and why it makes a difference? My only point of reference is that I've used an Axim x51v since that model first came out. I'm looking at the TP2 to replace my Axim and my cell phone in the coming weeks. However, the stats on the HD2 looks more like what I've been waiting for and a closer match to the abilities of my Axim.
Anyway, just curious what the differences were?
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Resistive screens have sensors that respond to the pressure you apply on the screen, thus being able to use anything (fingers, pen, stylus) to use the screen. There's no multitouch.
Capacitive screens, I believe, have conductive sensors that respond to the electric current that comes from your skin? Hence the necessity of using your fingers, rather than being able to use other materials. Multitouch is supported.

l3it3r said:
Preferring a TP2 over an HD2 is very weird indeed.. get yourself checked out ASAP.
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yeah, i'll chime in with my support for TP2 over the HD2. I was excited to hear that the HD2 was coming to the US, but after having the TP2 for a week or so, making heavy use of email, IM, texting and Word Mobile (wrote a 800 word article on my daily commute over 3 days), I realize how useful the physical keyboard is.
still, I have a Blackberry Storm for backup, or when I'm traveling and don't wanna be weighed down by the TP2. But the big screen and customizability of the phone is probably going to be enough to keep me from switching for at least 1.5 years. By the time I buy my next phone, I hope it'll have a 4.3 inch screen like the HD2, a physical keyboard, a MicroSDXC slot and come in at under 13mm wide.

sumflipnol said:
TP2 vs. HD2: I also prefer the TP2. If only it had a Snapdragon inside...
Resistive screens have sensors that respond to the pressure you apply on the screen, thus being able to use anything (fingers, pen, stylus) to use the screen. There's no multitouch.
Capacitive screens, I believe, have conductive sensors that respond to the electric current that comes from your skin? Hence the necessity of using your fingers, rather than being able to use other materials. Multitouch is supported.
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OK, thanks for that. I guess I prefer the Resistive screens as I still use a Stylus pen for a majority of my work with handhelds. I have very large hands and find using a touch screen and the small keyboards a pain. I've been doing it for so many years that I'm actually pretty good and writing on the screen versus the onscreen keyboard.
So I guess eventually, I'll be out of luck when it comes to technology. If WinMo 7 won't support the resistive type screens I'll just have to stick with what I've got by then. Heck, I've been using my Axim x51v since it first came out and am only now seriously looking into getting something converged

I haven't used the physical keyboard on my TP2 more than a few times, and I really didn't NEED to then either. In the past, with tiny screens, yes, i'd agree. But when you have SIP options like fingerkeyboard or SWYPE (!!), the keyboard isn't really needed IMO. And saying the HD2 is the same as the TP2 minus a few parts is laughable at best. The HD2 has 802.11n, it has a 4.3" capacitve dual touch screen, 1ghz processor, etc etc etc...
In fact, I'm fairly certain that the TP2 has wet dreams about being replaced by the HD2.
I'm not saying that I don't like having a keyboard... because until recently I refused to buy anything that didn't have it (see history in sig). But, like the stylus (which I never use either), the keyboard is becoming less and less important the better and better the screens and software become.

I totally understand what some people are saying about how amazing the new technologies are. But I think there are a lot of people like myself out there who focus on the very essential things:
- It has to effortlessly make phone calls.
- It has to effortlessly allow me to get through a properly typed email or text.
- It has to be functional through more than a touch screen because psychologically the tactile experience of a button provides you with a subconscious comfort level if you're used to it.
I LOVE tech. I'm a TOTAL tech guy and need to know everything that's out there and follow it's r&d, but i can't have a phone that only has touch. And I don't think it will ever be a perfect enough technology to replace the physical button experience. I think what we're seeing now is a trend. It won't die, but it won't ever completely dominate. Touch screen typing tries to solve a problem that doesn't exist and for that reason, as a business model, most business people will tell you that it won't ever find a large enough market. The population is getting older, and that market segment prefers something they can use with ease. I'm sure some older people like the touch experience, but not enough of them will in the future unless some revolutionary technology appears that makes touch typing as flawless as a keyboard where the only error is human error.
Just my opinion. I tried to say "I think" as much as possible.

well said. I think that you should check out the swype keyboard though. it works Very well and is extremely accurate.

th3stinger said:
Well I would perfer the TP2 over an HD2 ANY DAY my friend. and im Checked as well.
From desgin to hardware its all pretty the same - except maybe for the CPU+Camera.. .. but Consodering the lovley keyboard on tp2 - makes it all worth it. And a Winner of course.
Pitty that WM 7 wont work on the tp2, but it doesent nesserserly mean that its impossible.. like mentioned before it WILL probebly be cooked\made by our developers on xda for the tp2 :, or simply wait until htc releases a Touch pro 3 with 1 Ghz of processor.
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I agree! Im upgrading from my att fuze today just to get the bigger screen and bigger hardware keyboard since i dont have woman fingers for this tiny fuze keyboard!
Now if HD2 had a tilt screen and hardware keyboard, all other phones would be out of service! Since it doesnt and wont, it leaves a large playing field for other devices. anyways, by the time wm7 is even usuable, im sure there will be a tp3 by then for it!

I'm only speaking from my personal experience here. I RARELY use the keyboard on my TP2. I thought I would use it a LOT more than I have, but the on screen keyboards, especially Swype, are big enough to get 99% of the text input in that I do on a day to day basis. I'm 90% sure my next device will be sans keyboard. Will be the first one I've ever owned, so I'll be sure to voice my opinion then.

Tilt2 good upgrade from Tilt considering Android?

Pardon me mods if I'm not in the right place, but it was my best guess based on the situation.
I'm having a hardware issue with my Tilt, and upgrade costs versus repair costs might make the Tilt2 a solid option. I know that the Tilt2's WM experience will be an improvement over the Tilt's. What I'm not sure about is Android.
My question is this - considering the very well-developed Android system over on the Kaiser/Tilt, would the Tilt2 be a naturally good upgrade? Strong points included the ability to stay with a good WM system while Android development progressed (Tilt2 is similarly strong in this regard, I'm sure), as well as the overall great job being done by the developers on these forums.
I know that some features I used often on the Tilt's Android are not quite there yet here on the Tilt2, especially GPS. I realize it's all speculation at this stage, but are there any red flags I should be aware of, any known issues that would render future development of these features impossible? I'd probably be willing to jump to the Tilt2 if the potential was strong, even if current stages are short in areas that I enjoy en everyday use. I guess I just want to make sure that there isn't anything known that would completely prevent any possibility of future development in things like GPS, BT, camera, etc.
Any thoughts/suggestions?

Meh, 50/50
Man, there are pros and cons when it comes to the Tilt 2. I absolutely loved my TyTn II. I went from it to an Iphone 3GS, and then reverted back to the Tilt 2, for lack of business-related features on the Iphone. I've had mixed emotions on my Tilt 2 ever since I first picked it up. Some days, I love it. Some days, I cant stand it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, as I'm sure you are, on the possibility of a full-blown Android ROM that runs quick and smooth on this thing. To be completely honest, the stock Windows ROM needs tweaking just to run smoothly. On top of that, it has one of the most buggy SMS applications I have ever seen on a smartphone. I fell in love with HTC devices, and the Tilt 2 is a nice piece of hardware, but you have to do some work to get the software to where it just "fits". I am currently looking around for that "one ROM" that I will just love. And so far..... no luck.
Bottom line, the phone has amazing potential. Either it be a kick-butt Windows Mobile ROM, or a fully functional Android ROM, these will be the saviors of this device. Don't expect a warm and fuzzy feeling right out of the box, though.

That's actually really helpful, thanks for the input. Any ideas on similar devices? Just kinda weighing the options. The Pure is another upgrade possibility, and I'm sure there are more out there. That hardware keyboard on the Tilts is nice, though.
Either way, tweaking is fine with me. That's the fun, that's why I'm thinking WM/Android and avoiding the iPhone. I like the innovation and experimentation found here on XDA. I know that occasional crashes and resets come with the territory, I guess I'm mainly looking for a device that will allow me a similar level of functional flashing fun that the Kaiser did (and may still do if repair is easy).
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Man, there are pros and cons when it comes to the Tilt 2. I absolutely loved my TyTn II. I went from it to an Iphone 3GS, and then reverted back to the Tilt 2, for lack of business-related features on the Iphone. I've had mixed emotions on my Tilt 2 ever since I first picked it up. Some days, I love it. Some days, I cant stand it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, as I'm sure you are, on the possibility of a full-blown Android ROM that runs quick and smooth on this thing. To be completely honest, the stock Windows ROM needs tweaking just to run smoothly. On top of that, it has one of the most buggy SMS applications I have ever seen on a smartphone. I fell in love with HTC devices, and the Tilt 2 is a nice piece of hardware, but you have to do some work to get the software to where it just "fits". I am currently looking around for that "one ROM" that I will just love. And so far..... no luck.
Bottom line, the phone has amazing potential. Either it be a kick-butt Windows Mobile ROM, or a fully functional Android ROM, these will be the saviors of this device. Don't expect a warm and fuzzy feeling right out of the box, though.
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Well then yeah, I would defiantly give the Tilt 2 a shot then. If your comfortable with flashing/customizing/crashing then you will be well on your way to what you want. (Wow... that's a lot of W's) I would avoid the Pure though, waaaaaay to small. OR you could hold off until the almighty Windows 7 Phone series launches. Trust me THE DAY that one is released for AT&T, the Tilt 2 will be a paperweight for a while.

You gotta remember that most of where your money is going, is to HARDWARE.
Right now, hands down, Tilt2 is the best Touch and Type device on the market. The WVGA screen combined with the best hardware keyboard of any handset, HTC or otherwise, cant be beat.
Some people don't care about the keyboard, but personally I HATE typing on a touchscreen, and I NEED my keyboard. I had a Tilt also, and I loved that phone, it made the top 25 Most Innovative Inventions of 2007-2008 list (one of those years), and the Tilt2 makes that handset look like a baby's toy. LOL (slight exaggeration)
Only thing is, Tilt2 was supposed to be last years line up, America is just slow as hell getting us handsets. There are going to be some REALLY nice Touch and Type HTC handsets coming out for 2010, you may just want to wait, and see whats in the second quarter 2010 lineup.

Thanks all. Confirmed that the Tilt2 is a nice device to be thinking of right now. I'll see how everything goes with my Tilt, and if it is indeed upgrade time, I'll probably be a Rhodium Android end-user guinea pig before long.
So just confirming, it looks like there's at least potential for fully-featured Android (GPS/WiFi/BT/Data/USB/etc.) in the future? No definitive permanent impossibilities that anyone's aware of?

TP2 too HD2?

Soo, I've got a chance to trade my TP2 which I love oh so much because the keyboard is the sexiest I've ever seen, to trade for an HD2..
I want the HD2 but, then I don't want to have to deal with the on-screen..
What do you think I should do, keep my TP2? Or get the HD2..

After using swype the last few months I've been using the HW keyboard less and less...I'd probably go HD2 at this point.
Edit: Oh, and the whole WP7S thing too.

Toleraen said:
After using swype the last few months I've been using the HW keyboard less and less...I'd probably go HD2 at this point.
Edit: Oh, and the whole WP7S thing too.
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Haha thanks for the quick response
I've used swype on my TP2 but it's a little bit.. not sure what to put.
But I'm sure you get what I mean, tol.
What's WP7S?
I know WM7..? o_o

Yeah, Swype took a bit to get used to, but once you just learn to trust it and wait to correct stuff till the end it's pretty fantastic. Just about as quick as thumb typing on the keyboard.
WP7S, Windows Phone 7 Series, WinMo 7, WP7, whatever MS is calling it these days

rossle12 said:
Haha thanks for the quick response
I've used swype on my TP2 but it's a little bit.. not sure what to put.
But I'm sure you get what I mean, tol.
What's WP7S?
I know WM7..? o_o
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WM7 = WP7S (Windows Phone 7 Series)
For me the benefit would be in running sense 2.5 without any hitches and great performance.

Alrightt, thanks for the replys
I'm still debating, 'cause I know the HD2 is quick as heck.
I'm just going to miss my TP2 ):
haha, it's all good though.
Can't wait to get my HD2!

One guy entered to nike store and ask the guys around if Adddas is better...
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Keep Rhodium!
Typing on REAL keyboard is not comparable to any super sensitive (capacitive or resistive) screen
Even if processor is faster...
I bet to Touch Pro 3 for mid 2011

My older brother just visited me and he has the HD2.. The phone is incredible and if i could have it on Verizon i would get it in a second.

orb3000 said:
Keep Rhodium!
Typing on REAL keyboard is not comparable to any super sensitive (capacitive or resistive) screen
Even if processor is faster...
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I totally agree! So yeah, Keep TP2...

Get a HD2! TP2 is great but, hey, HD2 is a King!

rossle, if you're going to get the HD2 after all, here's what I can suggest to make the step away from the hardware qwerty as painless as possible:
If you haven't already, go ahead and install a swype keyboard on your TP2 and start getting used to using that input method now. Once you get your HD2, you'll be able to start using it (swype) comfortably right from the start, and that will go a LONG way towards making the transition easier.
Also, I'd start practicing holding your thumb a tiny bit farther away from the screen...it took me almost 2 weeks to make this adjustment (necessary due to the capacitive screen vs the resistive that you have now), but now that I've retrained my joints and muscles it's a much smoother experience...I'm sure that anybody who has made the step up to the HD2 can back me up on this

The deal breaker for me is the abysmal battery life on the HD2 as compared with the TP2. I don't know the real world difference because I only own the TP2. But the rated specs are disheartening. Would anyone who owns both comment?

TP2 dying...replace or get an android phone?

I am looking for advice from others who have been in my position and tried to go to another phone from the Touch Pro 2. Like most people here I HAVE to have a full keyboard.
My tp2 is having some physical issues and I am wondering if there is greener grass out there (with a faster processor but probably not as good of a keyboard) or if I should just buy another tp2 from the bay.
I'm with t-mobile and it seems like the mytouch 4g slide is my best option if I go new (4 row keyboard...but it's htc and seems to be decent from my research). The sidekick has a 5 row keyboard but seems like a mediocre phone.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks.

MT4GS seems like great hardware.
I wouldn't get another TP2 if you can help it. Sure the kb is great... but that's about the only thing "great" about it. Android will get better, but only slightly - I doubt it'll ever be 100% as good as a native Android device with the exact same hardware - which keep in mind is ancient by mobile standards. Start talking about/comparing newer hardware, and the TP2 is a lost cause.

arrrghhh said:
MT4GS seems like great hardware.
I wouldn't get another TP2 if you can help it. Sure the kb is great... but that's about the only thing "great" about it. Android will get better, but only slightly - I doubt it'll ever be 100% as good as a native Android device with the exact same hardware - which keep in mind is ancient by mobile standards. Start talking about/comparing newer hardware, and the TP2 is a lost cause.
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Yeah, the processor is a vast improvement and the memory is triple, I think. The keyboard doesn't have the numbers row and might not even have arrows but I think I'm going to have to move on. It's been a good couple of years. I think based on my join date here I got it in dec/jan of '10. So I'm coming up on 2 years. Hardware changes too fast to stay relevant much longer than that.

sry to hijack your thread but i have pretty much the same question. my tp2 died on me yesterday and i urgently need to find a replacement. i am temporarily using my old dusty Wing for now, lol.
what's a good phone to replace tp2 currently? i like to stay with windows but it seems the window phone are not getting much love so i am open to go android (just got my kindle fire in the mail today so might as well give android a try)
i am not big on social networking, so all these twitter and facebook app don't really attract me that much. i primarily use my tp2 for business, need email (imap), calandar (able to sync with outlook calandar), conference calling would be nice, and some basic internet browsing (espn, cnn, etc)
base on the above, what would you recommend?

eric1032 said:
sry to hijack your thread but i have pretty much the same question. my tp2 died on me yesterday and i urgently need to find a replacement. i am temporarily using my old dusty Wing for now, lol.
what's a good phone to replace tp2 currently? i like to stay with windows but it seems the window phone are not getting much love so i am open to go android (just got my kindle fire in the mail today so might as well give android a try)
i am not big on social networking, so all these twitter and facebook app don't really attract me that much. i primarily use my tp2 for business, need email (imap), calandar (able to sync with outlook calandar), conference calling would be nice, and some basic internet browsing (espn, cnn, etc)
base on the above, what would you recommend?
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Any of those needs would be met with WP7, iOS or Android. I say use your Kindle, then go to the phone store and use WP7. Read reviews, understand the pros and cons of each system and understand how they will effect you and whether or not you care.

pimpmasters said:
I am looking for advice from others who have been in my position and tried to go to another phone from the Touch Pro 2. Like most people here I HAVE to have a full keyboard.
My tp2 is having some physical issues and I am wondering if there is greener grass out there (with a faster processor but probably not as good of a keyboard) or if I should just buy another tp2 from the bay.
I'm with t-mobile and it seems like the mytouch 4g slide is my best option if I go new (4 row keyboard...but it's htc and seems to be decent from my research). The sidekick has a 5 row keyboard but seems like a mediocre phone.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks.
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Go with Android! I would prefer a phone with at least 512MB memory.

Himalayas said:
Go with Android! I would prefer a phone with at least 512MB memory.
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I second that. The Rhodium has been out for so long now but reality is that it's seriously outdated, although it is a sturdy as hell phone that can run android pretty darn well. The only thing I miss about my Tilt2 is how sturdy that thing is. The keyboard, you could buy a slide phone but think of it realistically. The less moving parts, the less of a chance of it breaking(not to mention how slimmer it gets) . Also, there are so many android keyboards out there that can really help you cope with not having a slide keyboard. Get an Android phone, I'd recommend Samsung. Motorola is nice but their MotoBlur UI is too cruddy. HTC isn't too bad either except that their batteries suck ass.
Sent from my nice little phone... or should I say huge gigantic beast

Meh, I love my slide out 5 row keyboard. I'm not switching to a new phone anytime soon. Keeping an eye on Android development for the TP2 though.

thenexus said:
Meh, I love my slide out 5 row keyboard. I'm not switching to a new phone anytime soon. Keeping an eye on Android development for the TP2 though.
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Those developers are brewing something great too .

The issue with my TP2 is strange. when I slide out the keyboard it will go to landscape for a second...then switch back and think it's closed.
From what I have read the open/close is determined by magnets. That doesn't make much sense since they seem to be able to tell that the phone was opened/closed...but then forget. That seems to be more like a contact issue. I opened the phone up but don't exactly know what to look for when it comes to an intermittent problem like this. It doesn't make much sense based on the research I have done and information I read.