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I noticed most of these roms are being flashed to hermes that use use SIM cards. I was wondering if these roms are good to go for cdma devices. Specifically Schap's version
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do it at your own risk, the risk of bricking your phone.
If you do try, dont do a rom with a radio rom attached to it because the mogul has a different radio.
i wouldnt recommend it...
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i wouldnt recommend it...
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Ditto.
Flashing even OS's designed for different devices is definitely a risky procedure
although, if it does work, than that opens up everyone with that phone to these Hermes ROMs....
but i wouldnt recommend being the one to try it...leave that to the person who just thinks itll work because their phone looks sortakinda like the Hermes haha
absolutely NOT.
The Mogul is based on an entirely different chip set... that phone is for CDMA networks, and while the specs are similar to the Hermes, it is a very different device.
You're going to have to use one from the Titan forum for the Mogul. Not here.
The user name pretty much covers it for me.
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The user name pretty much covers it for me.
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abahahahaha.....
Just got my new Sprint HTC Diamond Touch.
Here are the specs right out of the box:
WM 6.1 Build 19965.1.2.3
ROM 1.09.651.5
ROM date August 8, 2008
Radio Version 1.00.00f
Here is what I have noticed immediately:
1. Battery life is very short, even off of full charge. Battery gets hot.
2. unit is sometimes sluggish in opening applications.
3. unit does not ring immediately as call is delivered. Caller will hear 3 rings, I will hear one.
Are there any suggestions as how to resolve any of these issues?
I have read several threads but have no idea as to which cooked roms would work on my phone and with which radio versions would work in the sprint network. I am in the US. I am interested in tweaks, but again, I am not how to proceed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks is advance.
Check out this forum. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=67
There are alot of sprint users there and plenty of updated roms to flash to your phone that will make it perform MUCH better.
Thanks for the info.
Seems like the Ivan1 rom is pretty stable.
I am still figuring out how to actually do the process.
But I see that there is plenty of info on how to do so.
Ivan's looks pretty good, but dont forget Juicy or Mighty roms. There's are the most popular. I'm running the JuicyRom 3.2 right now and works awesome.
Juicy roms are good but the latest roms don't support some of the sprint specific features. Stuff like sprint t.v. etc... Probably not a big deal but something to consider if you are a sprint user.
rhamburger said:
Juicy roms are good but the latest roms don't support some of the sprint specific features. Stuff like sprint t.v. etc... Probably not a big deal but something to consider if you are a sprint user.
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Juicy's latest rom now works with sprintTV. He fixed it. Not sure about the other sprint stuff you're talkin about though.
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Nope. There's is not update for older phones because of strict hardware requirements. To Get WP7 you'll need the new device.
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Nope. There's is not update for older phones because of strict hardware requirements. To Get WP7 you'll need the new device.
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Okay
But, iv'e seen the 6.5.3 (?) on many videos and stuff, will it be available for my phone (Samsung Omnia Lite)? And in that case, when?
not neccessarily true. i read that samsungs newest phones, which I dont think are even out yet, come with 6.5 but are designed with all the hardware buttons and specs to be upgradable to 7.
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not neccessarily true. i read that samsungs newest phones, which I dont think are even out yet, come with 6.5 but are designed with all the hardware buttons and specs to be upgradable to 7.
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okay, so will my phone get Windows 7 :S ? Or can I upgrade it to 6.5.3? Sorry, but I dont know a sh*t about this ^^
The only phone to receive the WP7 update is the HTC HD2
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The only phone to receive the WP7 update is the HTC HD2
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No.. it has announced that the HD2 is NOT going to be updates to WP7, due to the lack of a physical camera button and 5 instead of 3 front facing buttons..
There is no phone currently on the market that will get an upgrade to WP7. It is possible that some new models released between now and the release of WP7 might - but I would say it's unlikely. For example, any phone that can take a removal memory card definitely won't.
I heard the HTC Touch Diamond will receive an update to WP7 because it comes with internal memory instead of SD card slot! There's already a dump of the TD WP7 ROM leaked by a guy from China.
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I heard the HTC Touch Diamond will receive an update to WP7 because it comes with internal memory instead of SD card slot! There's already a dump of the TD WP7 ROM leaked by a guy from China.
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Did you happen to notice that it doesn't have any other requirement? 800x480 resolution, 1GHz Processor, 8GB Internal Storage, Start Back and Search Buttons? It's not getting an update.
6.5 upgrade to 7 on HD2?
hey guys,
so in which place can i see that windows said they will not upgrade the HD2? i do not have one yet but TMO has a buy one get one free deal down here in Orange county, ca USA if you sing up atleast 4 lines, i want to port my family over to TMO from ATT because ATT stinks as far as phone selections is concerend. however i am concerned about the 7 upgrade, i really do not want to get stuck with TMO for 2 years and be limited phone wise, if thats the case i will just stick with ATT and the iphone(which i am sick of)... 7 looks so much nicer than 6.5, i had an X1 running 6.5 for most of 2009, so i am kind of over 6.5(i hacked the hell out of that X1 before it finally took a dump on me)... let me know what you guys think, i know another option is to purchase the sony X10 which works on all 3G networks but i dont have 600$ to drop on that.. anyway, thanks for your help guys.
Every phone will get a upgrade if someone hacks it in but, it's questionable on how it will all play out. Microsoft might just send "the letter" if hacking wp7 comes out and then no one gets to play unless you buy a new phone.
After all, I just want WP7 on my Titan
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There is zero chance that anyone will "hack it in" on anything less powerful than an HD2.
the leaked wp7 made by dell has lower specifications than hd2 (less ram ,smaller screen and no flash ) so why hd2 will not get the update to wp7 ,no one say to me because of the micro sd card , the new dell has one ,and also has same graphics chip so no one also tell me that there is no image scaler on hd2
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the leaked wp7 made by dell has lower specifications than hd2 (less ram ,smaller screen and no flash ) so why hd2 will not get the update to wp7 ,no one say to me because of the micro sd card , the new dell has one ,and also has same graphics chip so no one also tell me that there is no image scaler on hd2
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its all about marketing .....
nothing will explain it better
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the leaked wp7 made by dell has lower specifications than hd2 (less ram ,smaller screen and no flash ) so why hd2 will not get the update to wp7 ,no one say to me because of the micro sd card , the new dell has one ,and also has same graphics chip so no one also tell me that there is no image scaler on hd2
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First, it's a leaked early roadmap, not an actual device. Assuming the leak is recent and accurate, it could and probably will easily change. Second, the Dell device's MicroSD card could be embedded in the device and not user accessible. This would meet Microsoft's requirements while the HD2 does not. FInally, the buttons on the HD2 do not meet the requirements for WP7. Yes, it's somewhat superficial but Microsoft will not support a device out there that doesn't match and does not fit their design requirements. The Dell device appears to meet the MS requirements. The only one that is questionable is the MicroSD card but that could easily be embedded which MS has stated is OK.
tmonews.com/2010/01/windows-mobile-6-5-details-wm7-going-to-htc-hd2/[/url]
Not sure how valid this is
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tmonews.com/2010/01/windows-mobile-6-5-details-wm7-going-to-htc-hd2/[/url]
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LOL
January 2010... that's like stoneage in the mobile world. It has already been confirmed multiple times there's no update.
I had ignored the WP7 threads for a while. Looking back at it now it's amusing to see people still discussing about the HD2 upgrade....
I had a thought the other night, as I was reading up on some tech information. The site had a post discussing the official release of Ubuntu for Phones, so far only available for the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4.
Well, since it's possible to turn the LG Optimus G into a Nexus 4, shouldn't the Nexus 4 Ubuntu ROM work on the LG Optimus G?
I know that it's all easier said than done, but I love the Ubuntu experience and as far as I know there are people that have successfully ran the beta version of Ubuntu Touch on the LG Optimus G, like here for example, but have had problems since the Nexus 4 is technically GSM only, where as the Sprint version of the LG Optimus G is CMDA.
I'm honestly tired of Jellybean, and I am just looking for a whole new mobile experience without really having to blow any more money on a smartphone. I also assume running Ubuntu on my phone would sacrifice accessibility to the play store, which I find strange since Ubuntu is currently ONLY supported for Google's flagship device, the Nexus 4 and of course Google's Galaxy Nexus.
So I guess my main questions are:
Is Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu on a phone the same thing?
And is it possible to run Ubuntu phone OS on the LG Optimus G? Whether it's porting the official Nexus 4 release, or whatever other option there may be. It's probably not worth the hassle, as I've literally dug my Optimus G out of its own grave multiple times (thank you ZVC). But all I really use on my device are the main functions like call, sms, and camera, along with social media, so a lack of games and productivity apps are fine with me.
I'm probably a n00b, considering I didn't do much digging aside from seeing a few people running ubuntu touch on the LGOG succesfully, but most if not all of it dated back to the end of August through mid September, and I know the official release of Ubuntu for the Nexus 4 only dates back a few weeks ago.
tl;dr Is there a way to run Ubuntu, fully functional, on my LGOG (LS970)?
Thanks!
Video of Ubuntu Touch running on Sprint LGOG: www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=gRBtMPoAEvU
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I had a thought the other night, as I was reading up on some tech information. The site had a post discussing the official release of Ubuntu for Phones, so far only available for the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4.
Well, since it's possible to turn the LG Optimus G into a Nexus 4, shouldn't the Nexus 4 Ubuntu ROM work on the LG Optimus G?
I know that it's all easier said than done, but I love the Ubuntu experience and as far as I know there are people that have successfully ran the beta version of Ubuntu Touch on the LG Optimus G, like here for example, but have had problems since the Nexus 4 is technically GSM only, where as the Sprint version of the LG Optimus G is CMDA.
I'm honestly tired of Jellybean, and I am just looking for a whole new mobile experience without really having to blow any more money on a smartphone. I also assume running Ubuntu on my phone would sacrifice accessibility to the play store, which I find strange since Ubuntu is currently ONLY supported for Google's flagship device, the Nexus 4 and of course Google's Galaxy Nexus.
So I guess my main questions are:
Is Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu on a phone the same thing?
And is it possible to run Ubuntu phone OS on the LG Optimus G? Whether it's porting the official Nexus 4 release, or whatever other option there may be. It's probably not worth the hassle, as I've literally dug my Optimus G out of its own grave multiple times (thank you ZVC). But all I really use on my device are the main functions like call, sms, and camera, along with social media, so a lack of games and productivity apps are fine with me.
I'm probably a n00b, considering I didn't do much digging aside from seeing a few people running ubuntu touch on the LGOG succesfully, but most if not all of it dated back to the end of August through mid September, and I know the official release of Ubuntu for the Nexus 4 only dates back a few weeks ago.
tl;dr Is there a way to run Ubuntu, fully functional, on my LGOG (LS970)?
Thanks!
Video of Ubuntu Touch running on Sprint LGOG: www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=gRBtMPoAEvU
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Honestly, at this time, no. I may be mistaken, but I think porting Ubuntu Touch to phones other than the GNex and N4 might be a ***** within itself, much less getting them halfway functional. But the guy at talk to for this would be @xboxfanj. Dude is a God when it comes to Android.
I would suggest the MIUI ROM floating around the forums for a different Android experience, but I think that build had some issues, mainly data. Not too sure.
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Honestly, at this time, no. I may be mistaken, but I think porting Ubuntu Touch to phones other than the GNex and N4 might be a ***** within itself, much less getting them halfway functional. But the guy at talk to for this would be @xboxfanj. Dude is a God when it comes to Android.
I would suggest the MIUI ROM floating around the forums for a different Android experience, but I think that build had some issues, mainly data. Not too sure.
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causeandeffectt said:
I had a thought the other night, as I was reading up on some tech information. The site had a post discussing the official release of Ubuntu for Phones, so far only available for the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4.
Well, since it's possible to turn the LG Optimus G into a Nexus 4, shouldn't the Nexus 4 Ubuntu ROM work on the LG Optimus G?
I know that it's all easier said than done, but I love the Ubuntu experience and as far as I know there are people that have successfully ran the beta version of Ubuntu Touch on the LG Optimus G, like here for example, but have had problems since the Nexus 4 is technically GSM only, where as the Sprint version of the LG Optimus G is CMDA.
I'm honestly tired of Jellybean, and I am just looking for a whole new mobile experience without really having to blow any more money on a smartphone. I also assume running Ubuntu on my phone would sacrifice accessibility to the play store, which I find strange since Ubuntu is currently ONLY supported for Google's flagship device, the Nexus 4 and of course Google's Galaxy Nexus.
So I guess my main questions are:
Is Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu on a phone the same thing?
And is it possible to run Ubuntu phone OS on the LG Optimus G? Whether it's porting the official Nexus 4 release, or whatever other option there may be. It's probably not worth the hassle, as I've literally dug my Optimus G out of its own grave multiple times (thank you ZVC). But all I really use on my device are the main functions like call, sms, and camera, along with social media, so a lack of games and productivity apps are fine with me.
I'm probably a n00b, considering I didn't do much digging aside from seeing a few people running ubuntu touch on the LGOG succesfully, but most if not all of it dated back to the end of August through mid September, and I know the official release of Ubuntu for the Nexus 4 only dates back a few weeks ago.
tl;dr Is there a way to run Ubuntu, fully functional, on my LGOG (LS970)?
Thanks!
Video of Ubuntu Touch running on Sprint LGOG: www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=gRBtMPoAEvU
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Thanks for the kind words, @iamterence. It really means a lot.
Anyway, to answer the original question: the only major barrier to us having a (mostly) working Ubuntu Phone ROM is the fact that their telephony stack (the part of the OS itself that deals with all phone operations, and communicates with the RIL (Radio Interface Layer), which communicates with your hardware and software radio/modems) does not support CDMA yet. Even if everything device specific is in place, the OS itself does not support CDMA yet, which is possible to fix, but is something that would have to be done by people much smarter than me. Part of the reason that CDMA is not supported is that most of the development of Ubuntu takes place in Europe, which banned CDMA, as it didn't want the competing standards mess we have in the United States, meaning that the core team would be unable to test it and likely wouldn't want to focus on it yet. Verizon is on the Carrier Development Committee, so that should mean we'll get some CDMA support relatively soon (next Spring maybe).
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Thanks for the kind words, @iamterence. It really means a lot.
Anyway, to answer the original question: the only major barrier to us having a (mostly) working Ubuntu Phone ROM is the fact that their telephony stack (the part of the OS itself that deals with all phone operations, and communicates with the RIL (Radio Interface Layer), which communicates with your hardware and software radio/modems) does not support CDMA yet. Even if everything device specific is in place, the OS itself does not support CDMA yet, which is possible to fix, but is something that would have to be done by people much smarter than me. Part of the reason that CDMA is not supported is that most of the development of Ubuntu takes place in Europe, which banned CDMA, as it didn't want the competing standards mess we have in the United States, meaning that the core team would be unable to test it and likely wouldn't want to focus on it yet. Verizon is on the Carrier Development Committee, so that should mean we'll get some CDMA support relatively soon (next Spring maybe).
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I too am interested in this. Sounds like we're pretty much stuck until official CDMA support is rolled in. Hopefully this will happen sooner than later (spring isn't too far away, but sooner would be nice ) I'm not at all trying to pin you down or make you commit to anything, but I am curious if this is something you'd consider taking up when CDMA support does become native? Just curious if I should be hopeful to see Ubuntu Touch on our phone or not. I for one am pretty excited by their OS thus far, at least from the things I've seen. Haven't held one in my hands or anything.
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I too am interested in this. Sounds like we're pretty much stuck until official CDMA support is rolled in. Hopefully this will happen sooner than later (spring isn't too far away, but sooner would be nice ) I'm not at all trying to pin you down or make you commit to anything, but I am curious if this is something you'd consider taking up when CDMA support does become native? Just curious if I should be hopeful to see Ubuntu Touch on our phone or not. I for one am pretty excited by their OS thus far, at least from the things I've seen. Haven't held one in my hands or anything.
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Absolutely. I really like the OS, but can't run it for more than five minutes considering the lack of CDMA, although, I heard from GEEB users that they also don't have service. Not sure why that is, since mako and us use the same radio libraries.
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Absolutely. I really like the OS, but can't run it for more than five minutes considering the lack of CDMA, although, I heard from GEEB users that they also don't have service. Not sure why that is, since mako and us use the same radio libraries.
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Very nice. Hopefully things will move along quickly. I also hope that the OS matures at a rapid rate so that it will meet a reasonable user's needs in the near future.
From what I've read/seen, the operating system IS able to boot on our phones, but as xboxfanj said, the lack of cdma support is what kills us. If we were on a gsm network (or once everything moves on to the lte network) , as is the rest of the world, it would hypothetically be non-issue. However, it is still in development preview regardless, so features haven't necessarily been fully implemented. Regardless, I like to break things, so I'm eventually going to see if I can't get it to boot, just to see how it feels if it ever does gain cdma support, or I just happen to eventually upgrade
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Hey guys, if your still interested, you may want to take a look at my post on dual-booting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48890845
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Hey guys, if your still interested, you may want to take a look at my post on dual-booting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48890845
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That was a bit fun having a go on. It definitely feels early in maturity. Hopefully the development community will move it along quickly.
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That was a bit fun having a go on. It definitely feels early in maturity. Hopefully the development community will move it along quickly.
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Yeah I never got around to messing with the dual boot yesterday but the OS is pretty smooth. Navigation may take a bit to get used to(Im so used to the home and back capacitive buttons) but it does still feel early in maturity. I would like to get a running version of this simply because it's so completely different from our other choices currently. AOSP roms are obviously going to have a lot in common so this would be a nice change.
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Yeah I never got around to messing with the dual boot yesterday but the OS is pretty smooth. Navigation may take a bit to get used to(Im so used to the home and back capacitive buttons) but it does still feel early in maturity. I would like to get a running version of this simply because it's so completely different from our other choices currently. AOSP roms are obviously going to have a lot in common so this would be a nice change.
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I agree about the navigation bit, definitely feels like it will take some getting used to, however I must say that swiping up from the bottom of the screen (brings up the back button and what should be the rest of the navigation ) does seem fairly intuitive for the OS. I am going to miss the home and back buttons being so quick to access. It is certainly the biggest digression from the normal stuff around here. With the fact that it can be dual booted with Android, I think there is a lot of potential down the road for this. Especially since that way users can experience and dabble with it while it gains maturity and has kinks worked out, but a simple reboot takes brings back full functionality. Seems like the best of both worlds honestly.
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I agree about the navigation bit, definitely feels like it will take some getting used to, however I must say that swiping up from the bottom of the screen (brings up the back button and what should be the rest of the navigation ) does seem fairly intuitive for the OS. I am going to miss the home and back buttons being so quick to access. It is certainly the biggest digression from the normal stuff around here. With the fact that it can be dual booted with Android, I think there is a lot of potential down the road for this. Especially since that way users can experience and dabble with it while it gains maturity and has kinks worked out, but a simple reboot takes brings back full functionality. Seems like the best of both worlds honestly.
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Yeah I totally agree - and I do like the swiping up bit. It's how I have PIE controls currently enabled. Being able to dual boot in and of itself would be awesome. I would also like this to gain some traction. I can run a full ubuntu desktop on my lgog now(via terminal emulator and androidvnc), its much smoother than my old evo, but still far from perfect. It's funny seeing someones face the first time they see me use GIMP or vlc on my phone. I understand why ubuntu touch/phone is a bigger priority for Canonical though.
EDIT: Just read an article where Mark Shuttleworth (CEO of Canonical) stated that Ubuntu for TV,Tablet and Android will be available in Ubuntu 14.04 (Next LTS version due this April), so hopefully he isn't bsing.
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Yeah I totally agree - and I do like the swiping up bit. It's how I have PIE controls currently enabled. Being able to dual boot in and of itself would be awesome. I would also like this to gain some traction. I can run a full ubuntu desktop on my lgog now(via terminal emulator and androidvnc), its much smoother than my old evo, but still far from perfect. It's funny seeing someones face the first time they see me use GIMP or vlc on my phone. I understand why ubuntu touch/phone is a bigger priority for Canonical though.
EDIT: Just read an article where Mark Shuttleworth (CEO of Canonical) stated that Ubuntu for TV,Tablet and Android will be available in Ubuntu 14.04 (Next LTS version due this April), so hopefully he isn't bsing.
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That's pretty cool running the full desktop. I remember seeing that back when it was announced. I think it would be really neat. I mean it makes a lot of sense to me as phones become increasingly more powerful. It seems like ARM support is still needing some refinement. I've been running xubuntu in a chroot on my Samsung Chromebook. While it does work not everything does as smoothly as x86 and 64 hardware.
Is androidvnc a VM app? Sounds pretty interesting. I have free access to VMWare for PC, because of my major, but have yet to mess with it. Yeah I can see why Canonical places so much importance on the touch version, I mean the mobile market is exploding.
I really hope the information in your edit comes to pass. Hopefully that means they're focusing on improving ARM support.
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Is androidvnc a VM app? Sounds pretty interesting. I have free access to VMWare for PC, because of my major, but have yet to mess with it.
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VNC stands for Virtual Network Computing but not the same as VMWare. Think "remote control" for a pc. So basically you use Terminal emulator to install Ubuntu and run it, then you use vnc to remotely control it by connecting to whats running in the terminal. It will bring up the OS when connected. It's meant to control the computer remotely, but in this case it's the only way I know of to use the Ubuntu thats running in the terminal(at least graphically). I have both Oracle Virtualbox and VMWare on my computer because I only use Linux. So if I REALLY need something windows based(Like LGNPST for our phone) I'll use VMWare. The wine frontend for Linux is pretty hit or miss so I never use it(I dont even have it installed anymore), I just load Windows virtually. Normally I use WindowsXP on Virtualbox but LGNPST doesnt play well with Virtualbox(USB isnt handled the same way as VMWare).
If you see an app in the play store called Complete Linux Installer, that's what it does. It installs the ARM version of Ubuntu(or whatever distro you pick), then runs it in terminal emulator. But to see the GUI you then have to log in via AndroidVNC(or a similar VNC program, only ever used AndroidVNC though).
EDIT: I forgot to mention that their are some other requirements, like a kernel that supports loopback devices.
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VNC stands for Virtual Network Computing but not the same as VMWare. Think "remote control" for a pc. So basically you use Terminal emulator to install Ubuntu and run it, then you use vnc to remotely control it by connecting to whats running in the terminal. It will bring up the OS when connected. It's meant to control the computer remotely, but in this case it's the only way I know of to use the Ubuntu thats running in the terminal(at least graphically). I have both Oracle Virtualbox and VMWare on my computer because I only use Linux. So if I REALLY need something windows based(Like LGNPST for our phone) I'll use VMWare. The wine frontend for Linux is pretty hit or miss so I never use it(I dont even have it installed anymore), I just load Windows virtually. Normally I use WindowsXP on Virtualbox but LGNPST doesnt play well with Virtualbox(USB isnt handled the same way as VMWare).
If you see an app in the play store called Complete Linux Installer, that's what it does. It installs the ARM version of Ubuntu(or whatever distro you pick), then runs it in terminal emulator. But to see the GUI you then have to log in via AndroidVNC(or a similar VNC program, only ever used AndroidVNC though).
EDIT: I forgot to mention that their are some other requirements, like a kernel that supports loopback devices.
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Oh okay, actually can't say I've ever heard of that before. Sounds pretty interesting really. I always love tinkering with things. Honestly I need to spend more time in Linux so I can become a CLI ninja master. I originally added it to my chromebook so I could use Open/Libre Office for when I needed a more complete experience for things like papers which are a bit hellish to format properly in GDrive (one of its weakest aspects honestly). Does the stock CM11 kernel have the loop back support? Is it much work to remote in? I've only used Chrome remote before.
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Oh okay, actually can't say I've ever heard of that before. Sounds pretty interesting really. I always love tinkering with things. Honestly I need to spend more time in Linux so I can become a CLI ninja master. I originally added it to my chromebook so I could use Open/Libre Office for when I needed a more complete experience for things like papers which are a bit hellish to format properly in GDrive (one of its weakest aspects honestly). Does the stock CM11 kernel have the loop back support? Is it much work to remote in? I've only used Chrome remote before.
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Yeah cm11 kernel should. My experience has been that most non stock kernels should have it. And by non stock I mean the exact kernel that came with your device, both the lgog and my old evo wouldnt support loopback until I either flashed something like CM or in the case of my lgog flashed viper kernel(still running stock). It's not hard to do at all, but if you want the easiest quickest method here is the play store link for Complete Linux Installer. Even the free version has step by step instructions on what you need and how to use it. It will also download some of the distro images for you thru the app. They are big images obviously so Wifi is recommended.
On Canada E973 post they have rom for ubuntu touch
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2600702
[ROM] Ubuntu Touch [Jan-8-2014]
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Guys I am non US, GNex Lover, So I want to know is is exact connecttion between TI with GNex Kitkat update?
Anyone?
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There's still no official word on why this is the case, but sources close to the company have pointed the finger at a different hardware issue on the Galaxy Nexus: its Texas Instruments-built chipset. The company is out of the mobile business and as such isn't in a great position to give the support necessary for continuing OS upgrades -- presumably some of those 1,700 employees let go in the shift away from mobile could have helped. Now we'll have to see if the community can pick up where the corporations left off or if this is the end of the road for the Gnex and its other OMAP-based kin like last year's Kindle Fire HD, Nook HD and Droid Bionic.
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/31/google-galaxy-nexus-kitkat/
hirenvasani said:
Guys I am non US, GNex Lover, So I want to know is is exact connecttion between TI with GNex Kitkat update?
Anyone?
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/31/google-galaxy-nexus-kitkat/
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Texas Instruments makes the CPU in the Gnex they no longer make mobile chips for phones and thus 4.4 driver updates are an issue.
cstrife999 said:
Texas Instruments makes the CPU in the Gnex they no longer make mobile chips for phones and thus 4.4 driver updates are an issue.
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why cant google develop it?
and there may be few good community member who can develop, so what is the problem? Why google doing like this?
Any hope?
hirenvasani said:
why cant google develop it?
and there may be few good community member who can develop, so what is the problem? Why google doing like this?
Any hope?
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Google doesn't make ti parts and probably has no clue how to. I'm sure devs here will get it done eventually.
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TI OMAP 4460 is closed-source, there's no documentation about that chip, makes the job really hard.
Money makes the world move, not economical to continue development on a 2 year old device for Google.
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Loureiro said:
TI OMAP 4460 is closed-source, there's no documentation about that chip, makes the job really hard.
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With respect, that couldn't be further from the truth -- TI makes a ~6,000 page public Technical Reference Manual documenting the workings of most of the chip, and the kernel and publicly-available Android hardware enablement sources are in excellent shape. That's a lot more than can be said for any other SOC manufacturer.
That said, the difficulties encountered so far in running 4.4 on Galaxy Nexus can be traced back to the closed-source PowerVR GPU drivers -- and because TI's winding down its OMAP division and GPU maker Imagination Technology has moved on to its next-generation Series 6 designs, we're unlikely to get new ones. I suspect Google had the same problem getting new GPU drivers, and elected not to carry forward compatibility code in the base Android system to support the old ones.
Google doesn't seem to want to acknowledge it, but it seems like drivers are becoming the driving force behind stalled updates. It's gotten so bad it's affecting Google's own devices. This should not have been a surprise since anyone involved in Linux knows closed source drivers are always causing problems.
Their dropping support after "18 months" sets a dangerous president since the device was still their "new" phone less than a year ago. Heck Verizon was still selling it until very recently, and we still don't have 4.3.
It's actually discouraging me from getting the nexus 5.
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T-Keith said:
Google doesn't seem to want to acknowledge it, but it seems like drivers are becoming the driving force behind stalled updates. It's gotten so bad it's affecting Google's own devices. This should not have been a surprise since anyone involved in Linux knows closed source drivers are always causing problems.
Their dropping support after "18 months" sets a dangerous president since the device was still their "new" phone less than a year ago. Heck Verizon was still selling it until very recently, and we still don't have 4.3.
It's actually discouraging me from getting the nexus 5.
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That's a noble sentiment, but reality says that there isn't a single ARM SOC on the market right now that's not afflicted with closed-source driver blobs -- meaning there's quite literally nothing you can buy, or even design and build yourself, that would be an improvement on that front. (Down the road, there may be hope for Intel parts with documentation and fully open drivers, but even that's not a guarantee.)
steven676 said:
With respect, that couldn't be further from the truth -- TI makes a ~6,000 page public Technical Reference Manual documenting the workings of most of the chip, and the kernel and publicly-available Android hardware enablement sources are in excellent shape. That's a lot more than can be said for any other SOC manufacturer.
That said, the difficulties encountered so far in running 4.4 on Galaxy Nexus can be traced back to the closed-source PowerVR GPU drivers -- and because TI's winding down its OMAP division and GPU maker Imagination Technology has moved on to its next-generation Series 6 designs, we're unlikely to get new ones. I suspect Google had the same problem getting new GPU drivers, and elected not to carry forward compatibility code in the base Android system to support the old ones.
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If there is no drivers, how custom rom is available, I saw 3 rom, out of one, one is exact copy of actual 4.4 but only for verizon.
If developers cam develop rom just day or 2? why Google Cant? And 18 months support policy is just bull****.
hirenvasani said:
If there is no drivers, how custom rom is available, I saw 3 rom, out of one, one is exact copy of actual 4.4 but only for verizon.
If developers cam develop rom just day or 2? why Google Cant? And 18 months support policy is just bull****.
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You can develop a rom without the proper drivers however there'll be problems. Devs are trying to find a workaround for the GPU drivers but so far, no luck. Aside from that, looks like google tried to work on the GPU drivers but they gave up. Maybe there's nothing to do with the 18 months policy.
Google doesn't want to put money, people and rest of resources into 2 year old device. It never did and it never will. That's the only real reason. The TI **** was posted and reblogged so many times that it became ''truth''. What Google posted in their FAQ about being ''too old'' simply means it falls out of their device update timeline.
End of story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gld4RcF0MKc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gld4RcF0MKc
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Rom's actually faster & eventually needs updates though, thanks for the video :good: !
Castro27 said:
You can develop a rom without the proper drivers however there'll be problems. Devs are trying to find a workaround for the GPU drivers but so far, no luck. Aside from that, looks like google tried to work on the GPU drivers but they gave up. Maybe there's nothing to do with the 18 months policy.
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Well, i would not be so negative about that ! As I said on the other post, I've tried the two 4.4 roms in the Development forum. There is still some graphic glitches, but i'm with "A taste of KitKat" since yesterday, had only 1 random reboot at the beginning, deep sleep is amazing, etc. And it's like 48h since the Nexus5 is on sale !
I think since developper made something very usable after 48h, I believe they can workaround those GPU problems. I mean even if google backed down, you can't know who was working on the GPU back there ... it could have been an intern ! Here I know there is 2 guys that each made a 4.4 ROM usable in 48h that are working on it, so I believe
ericmas001 said:
Well, i would not be so negative about that ! As I said on the other post, I've tried the two 4.4 roms in the Development forum. There is still some graphic glitches, but i'm with "A taste of KitKat" since yesterday, had only 1 random reboot at the beginning, deep sleep is amazing, etc. And it's like 48h since the Nexus5 is on sale !
I think since developper made something very usable after 48h, I believe they can workaround those GPU problems. I mean even if google backed down, you can't know who was working on the GPU back there ... it could have been an intern ! Here I know there is 2 guys that each made a 4.4 ROM usable in 48h that are working on it, so I believe
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What you don't understand is that it is very difficult to make a build without the software to match the hardware. This same issue happened with my motorola Photon 4G. We were promised ICS on our phones, however motorola took back that promise and we were left in the dust. Enter the wonderful devs in that community. They quickly pounced on the ICS builds and developed one for our devices, but there was an issue... the drivers were outdated and the kernel would not play nice with the old drivers. It was tegra 2, and NVIDIA had stopped supporting that chipset, so what did we get? A build of ICS using the old GB kernel, with constant display and performance issues. That is what will happen with this device.
hirenvasani said:
If there is no drivers, how custom rom is available, I saw 3 rom, out of one, one is exact copy of actual 4.4 but only for verizon.
If developers cam develop rom just day or 2? why Google Cant? And 18 months support policy is just bull****.
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ericmas001 said:
Well, i would not be so negative about that ! As I said on the other post, I've tried the two 4.4 roms in the Development forum. There is still some graphic glitches, but i'm with "A taste of KitKat" since yesterday, had only 1 random reboot at the beginning, deep sleep is amazing, etc. And it's like 48h since the Nexus5 is on sale !
I think since developper made something very usable after 48h, I believe they can workaround those GPU problems. I mean even if google backed down, you can't know who was working on the GPU back there ... it could have been an intern ! Here I know there is 2 guys that each made a 4.4 ROM usable in 48h that are working on it, so I believe
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One way to describe this for the simple/non-dev users is the current 4.4 builds you are trying a "new package, with old contents". Or you got a new car but it still has the old engine.
Until the OMAP issues are resolved we are sitting around twiddling thumbs. Which it seems google did when it had no luck in accomplishing and therefore decided to default on their non-fragmentation theology - it's easier to EOL or end support for the device.
I just wish that google would have told us earlier about this rather than wait until release. A simple PR statement months ago when KK/KLP was in development "We have issues getting Gnex/TI OMAP compatibility" would have saved itself from the onslaught of complaints it is getting now.
Why google did not make Android 4.4 backward driver compatible as an option?
TI don't develop new kernel
This situation pushed me to unlock my phone and install custom ROMs. Now I know that i should done it earlier. No drivers for OMAP it's not a problem to developers and CM11 is running very smoothly. No update it's in my opinion only $$ issue.