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US Touch Pro 2 Unlocked

Anyone know if they will be releasing an unlocked version for the US carriers? I would get the European version myself, as 3g isn't a big deal for me, but what gives me concern is the Wall charger doesn't include a US plug. Im sure this is a small deal considering i could proly just buy a standard HTC charger, but im just curious if they will be having an unlocked that will both include the US charger, and work on US 3g networks.

no word yet hua?

Why do you think the European model won't work on U.S. 3G networks?

European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.

jonnyp4l said:
European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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HTC.com sez...
Network:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.) BUT...
3G networks are running the 850Mhz in the U.S. We already knew that the HTC Touch Pro2 would sport 3G frequency support in the 900Mhz and 2100Mhz WCDMA bands, but the 850Mhz WCDMA band isn't yet available.

jonnyp4l said:
European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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I have been on a number of blogs for the TP2 and they are seem to be in agreement that the European TP2 will only work over the EDGE network in US...
Personally, I am currently an iPhone user, but my wife is driving me crazy waiting for this US version!

JAlbridge said:
HTC.com sez...
Network:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.) BUT...
3G networks are running the 850Mhz in the U.S. We already knew that the HTC Touch Pro2 would sport 3G frequency support in the 900Mhz and 2100Mhz WCDMA bands, but the 850Mhz WCDMA band isn't yet available.
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Here is a good story on MSNBC.com on the various 3G standards. It is dated last Sept. but it is still good.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26511322/

uk/europe model will only work on edge in US. devicewire have done a detailed review on a europe model and could only get edge. to get 3g will need to wait for official model for that region.

jonnyp4l said:
European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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Actually you have it awry. European 3G runs on 2100mhz not 1900. U.S 3G runs on 850/1900mhz.
If you go to HTC's site, the TP2 Euro model will do GSM/GPRS/EDGE on 1900mhz. SO if O.P imports a Euro version, he could use it on EDGE or he could just wait for the AT&T version. T-mobile USA's 3G runs on 1700mhz though.

T-mobile USA's 3G requires both 1700mhz and 2100mhz. Suppose to be hear around July 22nd...

jonnyp4l said:
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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Standard mini usb cables, yes and i also am aware i can also just charge the thing using the included USB cable. What im asking about is the WALL charger. If HTC uses thier standard USB-mini cable that is on a good chunk of their devices, including the HD/ Tilt/Diamond ect.. im sure finding a US charger wont be that hard.
Also, i was asking about an Unlocked US version, i do not intend to get one though the carrier as i dont want a modified version that they lock down. Nor do i care to wait till the fall when AT&T gets off their duffs to finally release it.
In any event, im just keeping my ear open and seeing what the grapevine heard about it.

Sorry guys. My bad.
I was confusing the specifications thinking that HTC would at least be smart enough to include full support for all markets. I was reading the Quad-Band GSM as support for HSPA/3G bands. I was totally bypassing the HSPA/WCDMA dual-band specification.
Chalk it up to a mix of wishful thinking and childish excitement. That does, however, kick the crap out of my week. Only HTC can bring me down this hard.

Well, I guess ATT got approved for theirs. Now the only question remains is, will their be an unlocked US version that supports 3g? or will we have to get the European version?

I'm in Taiwan for Computex and am so tempted to buy a touch pro 2 here. I would wait for the AT&T version but after seeing they changed the keyboard I want the HTC model. Only reason I haven't picked one up yet is because it only gets edge in the US on AT&T.
Does anyone know if the hardware cannot physically work on at&t's 3g bands or do we just have to wait for the at&t version to come out so the radio can be copied over or something. Thanks!

xsupercat8000 said:
I'm in Taiwan for Computex and am so tempted to buy a touch pro 2 here. I would wait for the AT&T version but after seeing they changed the keyboard I want the HTC model. Only reason I haven't picked one up yet is because it only gets edge in the US on AT&T.
Does anyone know if the hardware cannot physically work on at&t's 3g bands or do we just have to wait for the at&t version to come out so the radio can be copied over or something. Thanks!
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The hardware physically cannot handle it. The Euro/Asian model only supports 3G on the European and Asian bands which are completely different frequencies from the ones used in the U.S. It's definitely not just a matter of software.
And I think we all need to be clear that no one has any idea what the AT&T keyboard will actually look like. The promotional material we have all seen and discussed ad nauseum is a slap-together of the HTC mockup with AT&T's promotional verbage. Even the promotional bullet points list that the "HTC Fortress" has a 5 row keyboard while the mockup picture shows a 4 row keyboard. That picture, at this point, means pretty much nothing at all.

I see, Ill hold off then. Its kinda hard to justify ~$800 on a phone here anyways that doesn't have a warranty in the states. Thanks for the help!

Will the US Unlocked Version have the secondary VGA camera for video conferencing like the European one does?
What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
I'm currently with Sprint and want to switch to a GSM provider.

rmk1825 said:
Will the US Unlocked Version have the secondary VGA camera for video conferencing like the European one does?
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no, the us carriers don't support that feature => no front facing camera.
sad but true.
rmk1825 said:
What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
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the carrier phones usually come with some sort of branding (software: e.g. sprint tv application / hardware: different battery cover, different keyboard layout and so on)
This can either be an advantage or a disadvantage...

rmk1825 said:
What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
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Having 3G capabilities vs. Edge only!

iodaed said:
no, the us carriers don't support that feature => no front facing camera.
sad but true.
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galaxys said:
Having 3G capabilities vs. Edge only!
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So basically what I was hoping for in terms of a 3G phone with a front facing camera won't happen this round.

Why no 3G with ATT

Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.

fredm said:
Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.
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You've got it there. There is no US 3g on the euro devices as per basic agreements with the carriers to let their branded versions come out. The local carrier versions are coming so just hang on.

first of all, the TP2 wasn't released in the US market. the model that you're talking about that has no US 3G is the European model. some people just preferred to buy it unlocked and save themselves a lot of waiting time.
secondly, yes, T-Mobile is getting it around August 12 here in the US. you would know that for sure if you read the very, very numerous posts around the Rhodium forum. all the major US carriers are getting the phone, including AT&T, Sprint and Verizon. there are speculated release dates about the other 3, but they will come eventually.
to me, this seems like a redundant thread. just my opinion. I vote for thread to be closed.

fail...
why wouldnt att not have 3g with the fuze when they have 3g on older phones?.....

fredm said:
Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.
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The better solution would be for ATT to embrace the same 3G standard that Europe and Asia have, and change to 850/1900.

850/1900 isn't Europe nor Asia, but North American bands actually
As for the "fail" comment or criticism:
The current phone available is the EUROPEAN model, it works in EUROPE. The same goes for many many other phone makers. They make dual band 3G phones (quad-band GSM) for Europe and then make the specialty ones for the US and possibly Canada.
Originally they tried to make 850/1900 the standard for North America, but so many companies are planning alternatives like 1700 and whatnot. It's like that one company in Australia using 850/2100 instead of 900/2100. If you HAVE to blame somebody it would be ATT for starting the usage of 1700 as a 3G band, or blame the lack of spectrum which caused ATT to opt for 1700.
To make a phone truly universar 3G-wise it would need to use 6 different bands, and personally I've only seen specs with up to 3 bands (though I heard about mysterious 3G 4 band phones).

If you HAVE to blame somebody it would be ATT for starting the usage of 1700 as a 3G band, or blame the lack of spectrum which caused ATT to opt for 1700.
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ATT uses 850/1900 and are moving to add 2100. T-Mobile use 1700.
I agree it will be good if ATT does actually get 2100 going.

Oops, my bad, I get the two confused. And yeah, it'd be good if they had the 2100 going, especially if it meant interoperability, even if limited, with European models (and they could reap the benefits of charging for 3G data roaming).

solsearch said:
850/1900 isn't Europe nor Asia, but North American bands actually
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I stand corrected. Too much coffee, too little brains.

Touch PRO 2 with UMTS 850/2100 MHZ

hi guys,
check this out..
http://personaldigital.com.au/p171/HTC-Touch-PRO-2-T7373-850-Mhz-NEXTG-%21%21-PRO2/buy.html

It has those frequencies selectable out of the box on any version I believe.

no, you are taking about the GSM bands
i was talking about the UMTS/ WCDMA 850/2100
Most versions WORLDWIDE are 900/2100
850 is the AT&T (USA) and Telstra (Australia) 3G Bands

I am under the impression AT&T and Rogers/Fido also use the 1900mhz for downloads. The 850 bands is only the "upload" band.

Yeah, but paying around 400 dollars more for an 850mhz band you must REALLY want it.

Wait a second
I know att uses the 850 and 1900 bands for 3g but I never heard that the 1900 band is for downloading and the 850 band is for uploading. Is this true? Can anyone confirm this 100%?
I was holding off buying the samsung omnia II because it only had the 1900.
Unless I am mistaken, when do you really need to upload anything on a mobile phone?
I hope someone can confirm this asap because then I can get an omnia now instead of waiting for att to release the tp2.

I have a hard time finding a credible source that explains the use of the two separate Bands but I saw it mentioned more then one time.
Anyone got a source with Provider/Bands/Usage, it would be a great tool.
If the bands really serve separate function it's a problem because upload is essential to downloading because you need to tell the server what you want to received hehe.
So 3G band are the following: T-Mo uses 1700/2100, this phone would be a 850/2100, ATT would be 850/1900, Europe would mostly be 900/2100, etc.

at&t has two separate 3G bands; 850 and 1900 mhz. these two bands are independent of each other and each one does upload/download. (this is unlike tmobile which uses 1700 for download and 2100 for upload i believe). So the best thing is to figure out what area you are in; most areas are mixed with 850 and 1900 and some areas are only one or the other. At&t is making a move towards more 850mhz because it is the better penetrating band. I know in south florida it is mostly 850mhz with a little bit of 1900 in miami. Hence why my old Nokia E51 (has 850 and 2100 mhz 3G, like the Telus TP2) worked perfectly down here on 3G. hope this clarifies it

Thanks for the input.
I gotta see what`s the deal with Rogers/Fido in Montreal!

argoldst said:
I know att uses the 850 and 1900 bands for 3g but I never heard that the 1900 band is for downloading and the 850 band is for uploading. Is this true? Can anyone confirm this 100%?
I was holding off buying the samsung omnia II because it only had the 1900.
Unless I am mistaken, when do you really need to upload anything on a mobile phone?
I hope someone can confirm this asap because then I can get an omnia now instead of waiting for att to release the tp2.
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I have a Touch HD from Telstra, i am using it on ATT in CA, it only has 850 for 3g, and it works for both, up and download. My area has mostly 850 and some 1900, I get 3g almost everywhere. works great.

Not worth it. I'm sure the AT&T version will be out within 2 months.
You will end up paying $500-$600 just to have a half-working one up to 2 months early. Its not even unbranded.

That's wrong. According to that page (and others), the Telstra version is a bit over a thousand dollars, not just 400-500 US. And you're right, seems the AT&T version will be out in October.

I mean $500-$600 more than the AT&T version.

your missing the worth
the point is you'll get the original HTC device included with the front facing camera the original keyboard none of the filler apps (that slow down the phone) and the sleeker look with out posibly loosing the straight talk technology. who knows what att will remove to save on cost.

Its already been shown. It loses the front camera and the keyboard arrangement is different. And it has an AT&T logo. Do you really want to pay $500 more just to not have that little logo? The front camera is useless in the U.S. and the keyboard is just different, not worst. Flash the original ROM or any cooked ROM and all your software issues (and lockouts) are gone. Plus with the AT&T version, you have access to super fast replacements if anything were to happen.

Heck, for that price you could possibly buy both the US and the European version, getting coverage basically everywhere in the world

Does HTC Touch Pro2 support 3G in USA?

Hello
I'd like to buy HTC Touch Pro2 (unlocked version), but I heard that it doesn't support 3G in USA? is that right? and why?
Will they release an unlocked version supports 3G in USA?
Does it support 3G in Asia and Europe?
What's exactly the differences between 2G and 3G?
P.S. I have an AT&T SIM card.
I know my questions are many but I'm so confused.
I'll be so appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

HNH992 said:
Hello
I'd like to buy HTC Touch Pro2 (unlocked version), but I heard that it doesn't support 3G in USA? is that right? and why?
Will they release an unlocked version supports 3G in USA?
Does it support 3G in Asia and Europe?
What's exactly the differences between 2G and 3G?
P.S. I have an AT&T SIM card.
I know my questions are many but I'm so confused.
I'll be so appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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If by "unlocked" you mean the original/intenational version, then no, it won't connect to 3G in the USA. The radio frequency of the hardware is wrong, and since it is hardware it can't be fixed by a software tweak. I think it's fine on 3G in Europe and maybe Asia (but I'm not an expert). There's lots of info out there if you look.
It will work fine on GSM (T-Mobile/ATT, for example) 2/2.5 bands in the USA and most/lots/all of Europe, Asia, etc.
To use ATT 3G you will need an ATT-branded TP2.
Basically, 3G is faster -- faster data transmission -- than 2G. Both terms refer to data speeds ranges, not specific technologies.

You should look at the Australian Telstra Touch Pro 2 T7381 it has been reported to work on ATT US and Rogers/FIDO Canada.

Why not wait one more week and it will be available in the USA from ATT. I give it then about 2 days before they start to show up on Ebay. These phones will be guaranteed to work on the North American frequencies.
That will be my strategy.

Thanks very much guys for replying
What's ATT-branded TP2?
What about HTC HD? does it have the same issue?

InRBigness said:
Why not wait one more week and it will be available in the USA from ATT. I give it then about 2 days before they start to show up on Ebay. These phones will be guaranteed to work on the North American frequencies.
That will be my strategy.
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Did ATT report that they will release HTC Touch Pro2? and how soon?
What about this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-UNLOC...ZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item2ea5b059bc

I'm confused...Isn't ATT Tilt 2 the Touch Pro 2?

aragorn771 said:
I'm confused...Isn't ATT Tilt 2 the Touch Pro 2?
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Yes, it's.

If you want one that specifically supports 3G in the US, your choices are the AT&T Tilt 2, or the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
In the US, the 3G bands unfortunately are different than the rest of the world:
Europe/Asia 3G : 2100
USA (AT&T) 3G: 850/1900
USA (TMo) 3G: 1700/2100 -- TMO uses one for up and the other for down, so you can't use a Euro/Asian 3G phone and get full speed on USA TMO
But the nice thing is that the 2 US carrier phones also throw in 2100 on the TP2, so it'll work overseas as well.
I hope that helps.

pinoymutt said:
If you want one that specifically supports 3G in the US, your choices are the AT&T Tilt 2, or the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
In the US, the 3G bands unfortunately are different than the rest of the world:
Europe/Asia 3G : 2100
USA (AT&T) 3G: 850/1900
USA (TMo) 3G: 1700/2100 -- TMO uses one for up and the other for down, so you can't use a Euro/Asian 3G phone and get full speed on USA TMO
But the nice thing is that the 2 US carrier phones also throw in 2100 on the TP2, so it'll work overseas as well.
I hope that helps.
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Yo PinoyMutt, help a fellow Filipino out here
I have an Unlocked TMo Branded Touch Pro 2 and am currently using it on AT&T.
Are there any settings I need to input in order to get 3G? For whatever reason, I'm only getting EDGE (or at least that's the icon I receive on the winmo taskbar).
Thanks!
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Wow... did I just see the AT&T is on 850/1900? Wow... I think I may be selling my TP2 now...

pinoymutt said:
If you want one that specifically supports 3G in the US, your choices are the AT&T Tilt 2, or the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
In the US, the 3G bands unfortunately are different than the rest of the world:
Europe/Asia 3G : 2100
USA (AT&T) 3G: 850/1900
USA (TMo) 3G: 1700/2100 -- TMO uses one for up and the other for down, so you can't use a Euro/Asian 3G phone and get full speed on USA TMO
But the nice thing is that the 2 US carrier phones also throw in 2100 on the TP2, so it'll work overseas as well.
I hope that helps.
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so if i buy Tmobile TP2 or AT&T Tilt2 ... i can use it here in UK 3G? (video call)
Im sick of this iphone 3g!

raffstyle said:
so if i buy Tmobile TP2 or AT&T Tilt2 ... i can use it here in UK 3G? (video call)
Im sick of this iphone 3g!
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Video call partly works if you have the dialer that supports video call. I have a Tilt with video call dialer. When I went to Hong Kong I was able to use video call but only for receiving the video, not sending.

3GPocketPC4Me said:
Yo PinoyMutt, help a fellow Filipino out here
I have an Unlocked TMo Branded Touch Pro 2 and am currently using it on AT&T.
Are there any settings I need to input in order to get 3G? For whatever reason, I'm only getting EDGE (or at least that's the icon I receive on the winmo taskbar).
Thanks!
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Wow... did I just see the AT&T is on 850/1900? Wow... I think I may be selling my TP2 now...
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Unfortunately it's a hardware thing. The TMO ones specifically have hardware for 1700/2100 3G, so software tweaks won't do a thing on AT&T. Sorry!

raffstyle said:
so if i buy Tmobile TP2 or AT&T Tilt2 ... i can use it here in UK 3G? (video call)
Im sick of this iphone 3g!
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Video call partly works if you have the dialer that supports video call. I have a Tilt with video call dialer. When I went to Hong Kong I was able to use video call but only for receiving the video, not sending.
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From a speed/band perspective, I believe the US versions work fine on the UK 2100 bands. However, as mentioned before there are 2 other items:
(1) the dialer has to support it (which it looks like you can obtain) so that's ok on a software end; BUT
(2) The US versions of the phone don't have the front camera in the upper right hand corner. Since US carriers really haven't gotten around to promoting 3G and video calling, most US carrier phones don't have the front camera needed for video conferencing.
In all, that is a big requirement, I would recommend sticking with an unbranded or at least Euro-carrier unlocked branded TP2.

I see that HTC Touch Pro2 from AT&T is now available in eBay.

I see that HTC Touch Pro2 from AT&T is now available in eBay.

pinoymutt said:
From a speed/band perspective, I believe the US versions work fine on the UK 2100 bands. However, as mentioned before there are 2 other items:
(1) the dialer has to support it (which it looks like you can obtain) so that's ok on a software end; BUT
(2) The US versions of the phone don't have the front camera in the upper right hand corner. Since US carriers really haven't gotten around to promoting 3G and video calling, most US carrier phones don't have the front camera needed for video conferencing.
In all, that is a big requirement, I would recommend sticking with an unbranded or at least Euro-carrier unlocked branded TP2.
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THANKS for the reply... I didnt know that US TP2's dont have front camera. thats suck.. the only reason i want to get the tp2 from US is because i know someone can hook me up with the ETF for less. well im just gonna wait till april for my upgrade.. free phone always makes me happy!

[Q] AT&T Tilt2 on T-Mobile no 3G or HSDPA only Edge

Looked everywhere but have only found a few comments mainly regarding the AT&T network.
I have a AT&T branded Tilt-2 with TP2_Core_Cell_Evo_V3.1_(23127) and am on the T-mobile network.
In my area we have HSDPA and 3G, and my HTC 3G Dash shows those connections and runs from 583K up to 898K.
My Tilt2 on the other hand runs between 36K and a max of 156K (usually its under 50K)
I have tried everything and a ton of different radios and nothing seems to help.
I can't believe I am the only one, and I am sure its in the forum but I havent been able to find it and I have been looking for 2 days now. Does ANYONE know if there is a solution to this or am I stuck with a great looking phone and ROM that is slower than my old HTC Universal.
So I am starting this thread with the keywords in the title to help others find the info/help/cab/settings to fix this issue.
Any help would be appreciated..
Charles

Can I assume from the deafening silence that there is no solution and this would be why I couldn't find anything when I was searching all over the forums.

I thought AT&T and T-mobile use different bands for their 3G...haven't met anyone yet that can switch between these two and get the others' 3G service to work on the phone from the other...only Edge.

Yep, 3G are are different bands and AT&T's unique.
Most likely, hardware limit and T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 version is what you wanted.
However, for my Tilt 2, I use AT&T Prepaid Pay-as-you-go and get full 3G service and for $20 get 30 days of 100MB data at full speed. The Pay-as-you-go offers a $3.00 per day for unlimited calls during 24 hour period when you choose plan.

But the settings on the phone even show the 2100MHZ band and other stuff.. thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks. I guess that must mean the phones are but not the data portion of the phone.
So it would seem I have a really nice looking phone thats about as functional as a Windows 7 computer with a 56K dialup modem. Great...
Anyone on AT&T and have a T-mobile Touch Pro2 that they would like to swap with me.

when you talk about gsm (gprs/edge/2g), there are 4 bands and pretty much all devices can work on those. when it comes to umts (3g/hspa encap) thats where proprietary bands come in. word wide you will have the 900 and 2100 bands, att uses the 850 and 1900 bands, and tmobile uses 1700. what bands a phone is capable of running on depends on the baseband hardware in the phone. theres no way to change this without basically swapping the phone out for the carrier branded device.
cdma like sprint and verizon is another monster...

cdgoin said:
thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks.
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They do, but working and working optimally are 2 different things. You should always buy a phone to work on the network you use regularly, and be happy it works at all on others when you travel.

Live and learn..
I wonder if anyone out there in the community has a TouchPro2 that they got for use on AT&T and would like to swap..?
Charles

Can't get 3G Either
I'm using an unlocked HTC Touch Pro 2 (Euro Version) on T-Mobile and can only get Edge. The funny hting is that T-mobile is stumped on the issue even though they've seen that I'm using an HTC Touch Pro 2, not the branded T-Mo version. I just started looking into hardware differences tonight and will post whatever I find. I'm glad you started the thread.

T-Mobile HSPA bands
Just confirmed my suspicions.
The branded T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 operates on HSPA/WCDMA on the following bands: 1700/2100 MHz.
The HTC Touch Pro 2 (unbranded) operates on HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz.
So, if you want 3G, you need to stick with the T-Mobile branded phone.
Wow...I never thought I'd hear myself saying those words. *sigh* =(

I actually have a t-mobile branded HTC Touch Pro 2 I use on ATT, if you really wanna swap I'm totally down for that. My email is [email protected] shoot me a message and lets work out how to go about this.