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Can I buy a XDA11 s and sell it on Ebay?

I've had two contracts with orange for 10 years and now am thinking of switching to O2 to get a deal on two xda11s. (orange won't match it)
Deal is I sign up for two 02 200 contracts and I get 2 XDA11s for £50 each.
3 questions:
1/ Is there anything to stop me keeping one and selling the other one on ebay?
2/ Would will it be worth getting it unlocked first and
3/ if I do (via an internet site etc) would it raise any red flags with o2.
thanks,

As long as you pay your contract you wont get a problem. You dont actually own the phone until your contractual obligations are fulfilled so you would need to pay a full years subscriptions before you actually owned the phone, that would be 12 monthly payments of your chosen tariff. Having said that I dont see any problem unless you default on payment, in which case your phone would probably be blocked once thay had failed to collect.
Yes it would be more saleable if it was unlocked to all networks.
Getting it unlocked on the internet is not carried out by O2 as far as I know so I dont see any flags being raised.

i dont see how you are going to make any money?
contract cost =360
phone cost= 50
P&p inc ins= 15
ebay and paypal fees abt =15
total cost= 440
so you need to sell the blue angle for more than £440
why would someone shell out £440 in one go when they can pay it off and get a contract with free minutes for as little as £100 plus £30 a month. thats a total cost £460 i dont think anyone is going to go for it mate.

robboy, you arent taking into account that he needs 2 contracts, and that he will get all the free calls etc that come with his plan.

thanks for your replies. looks like it might be doable. And yes, I do need to sign up for two contracts anyway though I can use an unlocked phone on the second one and flog the second XDA.
So I guess £30 or so on ebay fees and P+P, £50 on handset...I have a choice of getting either the XDAIIs or XDAIIi -- any thoughts on which is more desirable/marketable?
I understand the IIi has a faster processor but I'm sure I read somewhere that video performance was better on on the IIs (and it's slightly smaller).

Depends on your target market. The XDAIIi is superior hardware wise, but has no 850 band for North America (if you would consider selling to NA for a possibly higher price) and no slide out keyboard.

Xda IIs
Hey fellas,
I can see his point of not having to upkeep two Pocket pc's.
Right now I have my BA and five other Pocket PC to keep charged up and sync with lastet contacts even when they are not being used all the time I use them to beta test software one different proceesors. It's like taking care of a Tomagotchi or a furby. Anyways, you need to consider that someone in another country could reflash it, unlock it and sign it on with a carrier. Also consider with some of the stripped down Blue Angel models without the WIFI or the camera, I'm certain someone would pay good money to have one fully loaded blue angel.

O2 xdaIII v. T-Mob MDAIII

Hi all
I've been using a pda for the past four years, currently use HP IPAQ 5550 with bluetooth and wifi etc. Separately I've got a Orange 3G phone. I am tempted to go for the Blue Angel with the keyboard, sold in the UK on O2 and T-Mobile, so that I've got a connected device, without having to apir the phone with the pda.
I understand the devices are the same, so is O2 any better than T-Mobile in terms of mobile data, gprs, etc? Or in terms of support? Restrictionjs re internet, off- walled garden browsing? Or in terms of upgrading to WM2005? I know that T-Mobile will eventually offer affordable data bunddles under the web'n'walk concept (in september), which may attract me to TMob.
Also, does any of the network prevent you from downloading additional softwares, such as avantgo, pocket informant, etc? I read that the sim lock -on orange pda devices?- prevented downloads of softwares by so-called non-approved third parties.
Is there anything I should know before choosing one or the other networks?
Thanks for your help.

there isnt much difference within the different providers of a blue angel. they are the same apart from there networks minor tweeks, software etc. the o2 rom is****, i not sure about the orange or t-mobile one tho....

Go with whoever is cheapest
Just buy whoever is cheapest overall for you. Coverage across the UK is roughly the same (ie whoever you get it will work everywhere *but* your house ) and the phones are the same too. T-Mobile doesn't install a lot of crap, but I highly recommend upgrading the ROM anyway (although it takes a while to get your head around it, if you're as retarded as me). If it goes to hell you can put the old ROM back again.
I *have* read bad things about O2 on these boards; I got hit with the noise problem (have a search for it), but after my 7 days courier return (still in my 28 days store return). I phoned them up, told them what was wrong and that the nearest T-Mobile store was 50 miles away, and they dispatched a courier anyway. O2 told the guy who had the same problem as me that he dropped it and charged him 150+ quid to get it fixed. That's a load of rubbish, and I bet they know it too.
All mobile phone operators are greedy, but only some of them are charlatans as well.
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like). Last I saw, O2 and Orange wanted 250 per handset.
Personally, I prefer Orange because at least you can talk to a real human being easily. T-Mobile make it difficult, but I'd rather save £170
HTH
Chris

Going to get the O2 XDA 2i tomorrow morning at O2 shop....hopefully can get it at £60 with £35 12 months contract. The cheapest I saw on internet is £69.90 with £35 12 months contract.
Will anyone of you feeling regret after you bought the XDA 2i?

The XDA IIi appears to be a better specced machine all round; with less chance of a keyboard to get loose...
If I'd known of that deal (I bought my phone online, but the O2 store didn't work and the other dealers like Carphone Warehouse didn't stock it), I would have gone with that
Chris

Thanks
Lewisham and Joey
Thanks a lot.
Is there an application lock on any of these devices? I guess all of them are sim-locked anyway...
Cheers

The SIM lock can be removed with an application on these forums, so that also answers no to app lock
Chris

Re: Go with whoever is cheapest
Lewisham said:
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like). Last I saw, O2 and Orange wanted 250 per handset.
HTH
Chris
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Hi, been lurking for some time now and about to buy one of these units.... quick question though - how long did you have to wait before you where allowed to drop your contract down ?
Cheers
T

Ok...so which one again ?
So let's say...an enterprising individual happened to acquire both an
Orange SPV M2000
AND AN
O2 XDA IIs
both in identical condition ( New ), which one would you recommend this individual keep, and which one should he sell. An inquiring individual would like to know.
Marcelo

It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris

Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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Lewisham - did you see my question above.... I'm wondering if know of a get out clause that dont - ie take a 18mth high contract and your allowed to move down 6mths later ...
Cheers
Terran

No, you can't do that. Your contract is fixed length. All you can change is the price plan you pay.
At least, I don't think you can. I might well ask them tomorrow.
Chris

Posing the question differently....
Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".

Posing the question differently....
Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".

OK cheers.... I thought that was the case, just wondered cos of what you posted before....
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like).
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Terran

ccsnet said:
OK cheers.... I thought that was the case, just wondered cos of what you posted before....
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like).
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Terran
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Yeah, you can drop to say a 15 quid a month price plan, but AFAIK, the length cannot be changed, because of the way they calculate the subsidy of the phone. But I will try tomorrow.
I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".
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Well they are the same phone aren't they? It's like saying I have a Sony Ericsson P900 from Orange, and a Sony Ericsson P900 from O2. Which do I keep? The one you haven't beat up the most? The one that looks prettiest after they put the operator badge on it?
You tell me
Chris

Lewisham said:
Well they are the same phone aren't they? It's like saying I have a Sony Ericsson P900 from Orange, and a Sony Ericsson P900 from O2. Which do I keep? The one you haven't beat up the most? The one that looks prettiest after they put the operator badge on it?
You tell me
Chris
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Not really, but I hear what you're saying. I wasn't thinking of "stylistics". Apparently their construction isn't all the same, the quality control in building them apparently hasn't been the same, and the software packages built-in, certainly aren't the same. I was talking about all those in the process of deciding. Not just because one is black and other is bronze-ish silver.

The build construction is the same; the hardware is identical, all that changes is the software preloaded.
But I would highly recommend installing 1.40, so the software is going to become whatever ROM you put on it, so it really does end up coming down to the hardware, and all that changes is the aesthetics.
Keep them both, and run them for a little bit. See if either develops the whistling screen.
Chris

Hi All, New member and new to PDA's....
I have just order my T-Mobile MDA III on an 18mth contract with 100 txt for £33/mth - 1/2 price line rental for 6mths?? They said that if I do not change tariff or upgrade, the 1/2 price line would be for life! after 18mths is complete.
They are out of stock at the minute, so will be waiting with bated breath!

Its official, 02 charge for GPRS usage.

I just got a ****ing huge bill for GPRS usage. According to 02, I have used 33986kb on GPRS last month. This has cost be £80 extra on the bill.
According to a few posts I read last month on this forum (which is complete bul****) 02 do not charge for GPRS.
Someone claimed to be working for 02 and said 02 does not charge, I mean, what the **** was that all about.
Anyone else in the same situation right now? I am already broke, this is gonna get me into serious debt now.
I mean.. WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!

80 GBP and you cry?
c'mon, you've gotta be kidding me. If thats your problem, lol
I just got a bill for 1600 euros and I couldnt care less
life's a *****, deal with it

i work for my money you ignorant prat!

Put your money where your mouth is and take that "paypal" button off of your website..
My 2 cents (the only ones you're ever gonna get)

They haven't charged for GPRS usage so far, but it's not exactly surprising that they'd make an exception for someone who uses such a high amount of data. Obviously if you're sensible and don't go too far over your allowance it's not going to be charged, but if you flaunt the system you're going to raise some flags.
The bottom line is if you aren't prepared to pay for your GPRS usage, then don't use it. If you do use it and you don't get charged it makes a nice bonus, but you can't expect something for free and then complain when it's not.

alitech said:
i work for my money you ignorant prat!
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haha, so do I
'serious debt'
80 GBP
lmfao
:roll:

frater said:
Put your money where your mouth is and take that "paypal" button off of your website..
My 2 cents (the only ones you're ever gonna get)
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ah yes and you have developed a website and spent countless hours on it too I guess?
I just think it is extremely funny someone can cry like a friggin baby over a 80 GBP bill
I am a student, I work weekends and have a limited budget yet I find time and money, which I spent out of my own pocket to help people. I dont want to get rich of it and I wont, since everyone has the same freeloading attitude like you do, but I dont want to spend truckloads on money either when the site is gonna attract more traffic
what did you do to help others btw?
lmao

If you think you can get something totally free in this world you must be from a different world... this is planet earth and we have something called Multi national companies who are greedy!
Come on... O2 giving GPRS for free... yes, they did have a promo, but you have to be responsible for your own actions... check it out with O2 first - phone them or check out their website.
If your money is worth so much to you should be responsible when you spend it.

w3rd up

£80 is over a weeks work to me as I have to work for free in a solicitors and study atop my normal job and would be crippling debt. It would take me a month to pay that off.
Anyway, as far as I was aware, we established on here that it was free, but if you go overboard 02 would clock on, and that they could choose to bill you for the lot if they want. So think yourself lucky they only charged you one months usage!
I only use about 2.5mb a month maximumand they haven't billed me yet. How did you use all that anyway? Your phone has WiFi, and in any town you're never more than 20 meters away from an unlocked network!

well i have heard of one guy getting charged for gprs but he was streaming radio and video. i think he got hit hard £300+
im on o2 and it has been a relief so far (touch wood) that i haven't been charged.
i would prefer for o2 to charge but at a fair rate, or even offer a package where for x amount you get y.

Let me get this right, you took the word of the people on here but you never checked with O2. You then proceeded to hammer your account because you thought you were getting something for nothing. It reminds me of a guy I saw in one of those "Eat all you can for a fiver" cafes, the fat bastard gorged himself like a pig at a trough and then said to his buddy "that ****ing food gave me indigestion". You have to pay the piper my friend.

Good luck to those who have not been charged (yet), but don't complain if you get a bill - if you use it you should pay for it!
I pay for my GPRS as an addition to my normal tarriff & it pains me a little to see some people getting it for free, but I suppose if I knew I could get it for free, I wouldn't be too quick to sign up to pay for it
O2 (UK) do offer a reasonable GPRS package - I pay £14.50 + VAT (=£17.04) for my O2 Data36 bolt-on to my monthly contract. It gives me 36Mb/month (more than enough for my needs) and extra data is £0.85 +VAT (=£1.00) per Mb. You'll find these tariffs under the business sections rather than the persoanl tariffs.
I know T-Mobile & Orange have similarly structured GPRS bolt-ons - prices & amounts of data vary etc, but the concept is the same.
I do think the providers are missing out by not offering a lower entry price e.g. £6 for 10Mb or similar.

I also use the same 02 bolt on package.
There is something strange in that i havent yet been charged for any over mb that I knew I had gone over And their computer is registering I am using it and logging the times , but it shows no data actually used.
sounds like a fault with their computers, but I am sure this will be fixed.

I made the mistake of using the internet on my old P800 in America. BIG phonebill.
TBH, as I said earlier, I puposely bought a phone with wifi so that I only only have to use GPRS as a last option. Seriously, ANYWHERE I have ever been, I have never had to walk more than 40 metres to get WiFi connection to the internet. Some other poor sod can pay for my usage

I was with O2 until July. I roam a lot and used the Internet a lot. I was never charged. Not even the minimum daily GPRS roaming charge listed on their website. I was lucky.
I think it may be down to your account provider. Even though the bill comes from O2, O2 has a number of account providers such as Carphone Warehouse or Tesco Mobile.
I originally signed up with BT Cellnet and my provider was Securicor Mobile.
I am not sure how account providers work but it is just a thought.

Hi
O2 were giving me free GPRS when it first went on line and it seems to still be free, though there was a period they were charging me and my bills were high, especailly for GPRS usage on my 3 and half month round the world tour when i roamed!
When we take a contract out for anything these days it is our repsonsibility to check that it suits us and if not, change. Occasionally O2 may not lead the providers with the best offers but like everything it swings in roundabouts and at the moment they seem to have good deals and popular.
Have to say that there XDA website support and updates are a bit thin.
I am with O2 and have been for 6 years without changing provider.
I was made an O2 'Select' customer which i believe they are no longer registering new customers as. This means that you are one of their top 200,000 users... did not think i would qualify.
They give me special offers like answering customer service calls 'IMMEDIATELY' and no queuing, free itemised billing, 60% discount off mobiles and accessories, new handsets before everyone else, and recently i swung a free XDA2i out of them that should have been £180.
From everyones comments above seems like our mate noddy with the £80 bill is the only one who can't manage his money! :lol:
drjrao

So erm...
how much data does msn messenger use then ?
:S
any idea how i could work out my costs on it :s ??

My Daft sister!
My dear sister uses T-Mobile. She decided that now she had broadband, she'd download Nortan Antivirus etc. She was so worried about connecting her laptop to the internet without this software, she decided that it would be more secure connecting to the internet via her GPRS enabled mobile phone to down load it! Anyway, £350 worth of GPRS later, the file still would not download all the way through. The phone account was locked out when it hit the £350 limit. T-mobile, once they'd stopped laughing were very sympathetic and agreed that she could repay them in installment over several month. She has incoming calls only and has had the GPRS disabled!

im very sorry for her, but that story is just hilarious

For those who wish to upgrade to XDA Orbit

Just thought I'd put a lil post here to help anyone who wants to upgrade with o2.
As my exec screen broke the other day and I am due an upgrade with o2 online, I decided to get the Artemis.
As I was on the online 25, 12 month contract, they offered me initially £99.99 for the phone. I asked to speak to their "specialist" department to barter for the phone
After some pointing out of facts (I like o2 and wouldnt like to have to change, I spent >£500 on phone bills last year, I would expect the phone to be free, other phone companies are offering similar phones for a lot less) I managed to work something out: £9.99 for the phone and aggree to switch to the 18 month contract with 150 minutes and 750 texts (£25/mo). The CoPilot software was confirmed to be supplied with the Orbit.
In the end, I am happy. Although I am spending an extra £150 with o2 for the 6 months, you could say I haven't got anywhere, but I like o2, and I like the Orbit!
Will post a review when it arrives (apparently before midweek)!

So I've been had then!!! Did exactly the same as you but I ended up with:
£99 for the phone
NO SAT NAV KIT (still in arguements with o2 as thought this was included!)
£15/month 18 month contract with 250 minutes - 150 texts
O2 going abroad: Spain - free for life of contract.
Total: £369 !!!

Hey it's not all that bad for £15/mo but a shame about the sat nav, IMO it completes the phone. They do still advertise it free, with what looks like no restriction on tarrif so go ahead and argue with them.
Good luck, keep us all informed!
BTW: £25 x 18 + £10 = £460

I managed to get for £24.50/pm 400 xross min and 100 texts , and the phone only cost £50 with free co pilot kit. Not bad hey.

t- mobile offer the best deal at the moment in the uk only down side is no wifi

agreed re t-mobile. as a self employed person they let you register for business use which means a dedicated helpline and manager - i have his personal email and he answers in minutes! i'm getting x network 900 mins, 1GB internet useage and international cheaper calls for £37.50 a month (32.50 for the 1st 3). considering i was getting 150 mins (orange/landline only) and 4MB of gprs with orange beforehand for £35, i am well pleased! plus the phone was free
si

wombat45 said:
So I've been had then!!! Did exactly the same as you but I ended up with:
£99 for the phone
NO SAT NAV KIT (still in arguements with o2 as thought this was included!)
£15/month 18 month contract with 250 minutes - 150 texts
O2 going abroad: Spain - free for life of contract.
Total: £369 !!!
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Finally got a call back from O2, only took ten calls by myself over 4 days to get someone who can actually make decisions to call me! After explaining to the girl, "NO, I was not trying to get a free bluetooth headset, I was simply expecting to recieve the sat nav kit with my orbit"...
She replied...... "Oh is that all, not a problem, i'll order you one now, be with you in 3-4 days. I thought you were trying to get a free bluetooth headset, but they are £22. Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding. Many thanks"
I was shocked it was so staight forward after all the hassle, but if the kit actually turns up, I will be happy!! I did get her to confirm over the phone that it was the holder, car plug adapter and memory card and she said yes it was. (Signed into My O2 and there are no new orders showing though???!!!)
Fingers crossed! If it does turn up then i'm well happy with the deal I got.

Received my orbit today!! Its all looking good however like many other people, I have not received my GPS software as is advertised, I will be calling o2 a bit later to see what they will do!

Pjtheman said:
Received my orbit today!! Its all looking good however like many other people, I have not received my GPS software as is advertised, I will be calling o2 a bit later to see what they will do!
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Unfortunately, after much hastle, I still am not able to receive my CoPilot software. Apparently, the free bundle is only available to new customers and to get this with the upgrade is £99.99. I have even argued that I specifically asked whether I would receive the software, but they have no record of me asking this.
What a ripoff.
My choice now is to either pay the £99.99 with a 1 month free line rental offer
or
Return the phone, cancel my contract, get my tenner back, pay £130 for the phone and software on a new contract
or
Go to tomtom and pay £89 for their satnav.
Anyone got an opinion on this?

Pjtheman said:
Unfortunately, after much hastle, I still am not able to receive my CoPilot software. Apparently, the free bundle is only available to new customers and to get this with the upgrade is £99.99. I have even argued that I specifically asked whether I would receive the software, but they have no record of me asking this.
What a ripoff.
My choice now is to either pay the £99.99 with a 1 month free line rental offer
or
Return the phone, cancel my contract, get my tenner back, pay £130 for the phone and software on a new contract
or
Go to tomtom and pay £89 for their satnav.
Anyone got an opinion on this?
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If you don't need the wifi I'd just move to T-Mobile, with the amount your spending on line rental they'd probably give you everything for free. Aswell as that their line rental + data packages are very attractive.
Once my O2 contract is up (Online 100 @ £25pm + 500txts all free for 10mths) in about 6 months time unless O2 come up with some decent data tariffs I will be moving to T-Mobile.

Well I've just managed to get the XDA Orbit with Sat Nav software for free with 500 minutes and 900 texts for £20 per month (12 month contract). Wouldn't stretch to a free bluetooth headset though. This was through retentions and took 4 calls, each time getting a little more offered. Just waiting for it to arrive now.

O2 Data tariff for Orbit
I just upgraded my contract (data only @£9.40 a month), they charged me £99 for the phone but I just carry on paying £9.40....I never use the data only sim because I have a company Orange sim and all my calls are free....
I can't work out how O2 make money from this...The phone on eBay is at least £350 and I have no intention of using the data sim card....12x £9.40 plus £99 = £211 over a year seems to me a far cheaper way to own an Orbit!

Well I must be one lucky Mofo, as I got my Orbit free of charge and am only on a £25 p/m contract for 12 months.
I was originally going to get a P990i for an upgrade price of £49.99. But after getting the phone I found out I could get it for free from my girlfriends Vodaphone contract so I returned my P990i and asked for the Orbit which they gave me for free and refunded my initial £49.99.
Only difference I can add is that I had not done an upgrade since I got an XDA II over two/three years ago so they seem to have given me more due to that fact?
Great phone and is even better as I am using my T-moible chip in it for the 1GB web n walk.

Co-Pilot Pack
My Orbit arrived with no Co-pilot. App only free if ordered on-line. The online system wouldn't work when I ordered so I did it by phone. I phoned up to query it and was given the brush off. I asked to speak to someone senior and I got the co-pilot 2 days later. The web-site is none to clear! But credit to O2: they sorted it.

I have upgraded today. 4 phone calls and this is what I got.
£32.50 per month for 12months.
800mins 1000 txt per month. 5mb data allowance. Orbit + Sat Nav for free.
I use my phone a lot so happy with the deal.

I upgraded yesterday from an Xda Mini S. When I rang O2 customer service to enquire about an upgrade they said £89.99.
I then walked to the O2 shop across the road from where I work & the manager originally said £40, but then he said that if I switched from O2 250 tariff (£35pm, 250 x-net mins, 100 texts) to O2 400+100 (£35pm, 400 x-net mins, 100 texts) I could have the handset for free.
Go figure...
(The Co-pilot software would have been £50 in-store but I didn't need it as I already had TT5 for my Mini S)
It definitely pays to be a bit cheeky & haggle with them!

Got mine out of O2 contract (I am with vodafone), £349 unlocked, my employer paid £100 towards a new phone and I stumped up the rest. Very happy with it, finally we have some convergence in a decent sized mobile unit.
PDA - MOBILE - GPS - EMAIL - MP3
No bad at all...

The offer I got from O2
Phone: 149.99
Tariff: Data 5 9.4pounds/month x12 =112.80
Trade in : -30 pounds
total: 149.99+112.80-30=232.79pounds only
I got a 12 month free contract with coolnewmobile phone and only take the SIM card for my Oribit!!!!!
It is the lowest price you can have Orbit from O2 shop!!!

XDA
I was with O2 previously, myself and the missus contract. Nearing the end of the year, I called asking for the code to take my business elsewhere.
I was given some options on the crappy phones which I rejected as I was currently using and O2 chip in my trusty old SPV C500 and wood not trade into another contract with a phone less then par with the SPV.
I was then given details and contact number for the redemptions team who I called and they said we can give you the phone minus the software of you go on a £50 tariff for 18 months.
I said thank you. I called every alternate days (4 times in total) and got through and they bettered the offer each time. Finally on the last day when I was on the phone, they said we can give you the phone and the software if you pay £100 for each of the lines on a £35/ month contract.
I rejected and requested the code and guess what happens.
In the end this is what happened
I got 2 XDA Orbits, 2 CoPilot software packages and the following contract. For £25 per month on a 12 Month contract (yes a 12 month contract) and get 500 minutes anytime any network and 500 text messages and the phones and software were ABSOLUTELY FREE and did not have to pay a dime at all

Pjtheman said:
Unfortunately, after much hastle, I still am not able to receive my CoPilot software. Apparently, the free bundle is only available to new customers and to get this with the upgrade is £99.99. I have even argued that I specifically asked whether I would receive the software, but they have no record of me asking this.
What a ripoff.
My choice now is to either pay the £99.99 with a 1 month free line rental offer
or
Return the phone, cancel my contract, get my tenner back, pay £130 for the phone and software on a new contract
or
Go to tomtom and pay £89 for their satnav.
Anyone got an opinion on this?
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Flash the orbit with the HTC ROM - comes complete with TomTom installed, all you got to do then is buy the maps - full western europe for 99 euro (bout£67)
or gimme a shout an i'll send you the TomTom install cab from the htc rom ;-)

[Q] Upgrade from HD2 -> T989?

So the Feb. 11th free phone (kinda) sale is happening and i have an upgrade. I really wanted to hold off and get a T-mobile Lumia 900 (if it ever happens) but now i have a chance to get a T-989 for free.
I guess my question is the HD2 -> T-989 a worthy upgrade? Especially this late in the game or should I wait?

If you like the android, then yes it's more than a worthy upgrade. (I still use my hd2 once in a while for goofing around, purely based on how many roms are available for it.)
If you were running windows mobile on the hd2, and not android, then you'd probably be happier with the nokia as it's a windows phone.
As an android phone, this phone is awesome, I love it. (Don't expect the massive amount of roms available for this that are available for the hd2, however.)

So funny, I'm also considering the same thing. Have had my HD2 since launch day almost two years ago. Went to Android on it after a while and still love the phone, though I already had my original replaced under the insurance after the original had its screen become unresponsive.
Now, the chance to get a Galaxy S II for free? Very tempting. Just wondering what it would mean to my current plan, which is the old Even More Plus with 1000 talk and unlimited data.

vplaza96 said:
So funny, I'm also considering the same thing. Have had my HD2 since launch day almost two years ago. Went to Android on it after a while and still love the phone, though I already had my original replaced under the insurance after the original had its screen become unresponsive.
Now, the chance to get a Galaxy S II for free? Very tempting. Just wondering what it would mean to my current plan, which is the old Even More Plus with 1000 talk and unlimited data.
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Interesting, I have a question for you then, slightly off topic.
I've been thinking of sending my hd2 back for warranty repair too, the internal nand has a TON of bad blocks, and my digitizer is starting to go. (Same problem as everyone else. Whatever convinced HTC to put the digitizer ribbon cable RIGHT under the power button is beyond me.) Did they charge you for the warranty repair? If so, how much?
(Sorry for the off-topic)

mstrk242 said:
Interesting, I have a question for you then, slightly off topic.
I've been thinking of sending my hd2 back for warranty repair too, the internal nand has a TON of bad blocks, and my digitizer is starting to go. (Same problem as everyone else. Whatever convinced HTC to put the digitizer ribbon cable RIGHT under the power button is beyond me.) Did they charge you for the warranty repair? If so, how much?
(Sorry for the off-topic)
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No problem. I was paying for the phone insurance, so the replacement was done through Asurion. Interesting thing was I first tried to get the claim started through their website. But after following the steps, it came back saying that the problem was not covered.
So, I called and talked to someone and after telling them what the problem was, they sent me a replacement overnight....no charge. That was a godsend because I was on a business trip in DC and was in the middle of it, so they shipped it to my hotel room.
I'm not sure if you have the insurance or if the problem you have would match what mine was, but I know that my problem seemed to mimic what others were experiencing. Once in a while, the screen became unresponsive, but pressing down on the power button a certain way would fix it. The last time, nothing worked, so I called for the replacement.
Not sure if that helps.
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Oh also, back on topic a bit. Chatted with T-Mo online. My current plan is the Even More Plus with unlimited text and data, which is $69.99 with no contract.
To get the free phone, I need to move to a calling plan with the 5GB data plan, bumping up my monthly bill to $74.99 plus I need to be on a 2-year contract.
Hmmmm.....

They are trying to move me over to a value plan (Family) that's 50 bucks a month for 500 minutes (don't talk much), ulimited texting, unlimited data (throttles at 5gb) but doesn't include a subsidized phone, so i'd just be getting $200 off the phone tomorrow only

JhonKa said:
They are trying to move me over to a value plan (Family) that's 50 bucks a month for 500 minutes (don't talk much), ulimited texting, unlimited data (throttles at 5gb) but doesn't include a subsidized phone, so i'd just be getting $200 off the phone tomorrow only
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So, is this still with a 2-year contract and you're not going to get it free?

I broke my HD2 & tried the T989. After initial frustrations from learning Android (I was running WM rom on HD2) I can name two ways the S2 disappoints: no quality Sirius app (that's an Android issue) & although flashlight is pretty good, it's nowhere near as bright or versatile as the HD2.
Otherwise, I prefer everything about the new phone better. Simply more up to date hardware. The HTC is still a completely legit device, but if I had to go back to it, I'd consider it a significant downgrade.

I did the "free upgrade" this morning and I regret it. Not because of the phone - its excellent so far but the way T-Mobile forces you to drop your existing and perfectly decent plan and jump up to the Unlimited Talk/Text/Data (5GB) - jumping my bill another 25 dollars a month. I was coming from a HD2 running AmeriCan Android on the SD card. First the data speeds on the SG II are much faster - nearly double and it seems the data is very reliable. Interface is just OK and I prefer the AmeriCan Gingerbread. Haven't modded anything yet but the screen is much more responsive and very clear. No visible defects and build quality is excellent.
I had a 500 minute plan/ no text + 5GB data. Fit me perfectly well with full insurance and a AAA discount my bill was about 74 a month - now it jumps to about 100 which I think is a little steep. Yes you get an upgrade by paying 250+18 (upgrade fee - RIPOFF) and you'll get the 250 back in a couple of months. Guy at the store said I could drop back to 500 minutes and 5gb with a 10+ increase to my old plan price.
They get you in the end and nothing is free. Thnk they'll also get you even with a standard upgrade.
If I return the phone tomorrow or Monday I can go back BUT on the box it clearly says you have to pay a 50 restock fee - another ripoff.