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wm 6.1 threaded sms questions/possible requests?

i recently flashed to 6.1, and am so far liking the threaded app quite a bit...but was just wondering if there was anyone who knew how (or if its possible) to change 3 things:
1. enable swiping from one conversation to another when instead a thread.
2. enable the date and time in the pop-up notification bubble.
3. enable a decent-sized picture in the pop-up notification bubble.
thanks

jim256 said:
i recently flashed to 6.1, and am so far liking the threaded app quite a bit...but was just wondering if there was anyone who knew how (or if its possible) to change 3 things:
1. enable swiping from one conversation to another when instead a thread.
2. enable the date and time in the pop-up notification bubble.
3. enable a decent-sized picture in the pop-up notification bubble.
thanks
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Sadly, I would be willing to bet that none of that is possible but I would love to have someone show me otherwise.

dharvey4651 said:
Sadly, I would be willing to bet that none of that is possible but I would love to have someone show me otherwise.
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i agree, but crossing my fingers...

Some of my messages from the same person are not seen in the "chat" style, but in a separate message, which is really weird.
--James

storino03 said:
Some of my messages from the same person are not seen in the "chat" style, but in a separate message, which is really weird.
--James
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strange, i havent seen or heard of this issue. what software do you have installed?
anyone else having this issue?

Sliding Panels Customisation

I was just looking for a little advice on how to move some of the items on the sliding panels.
All I want to do is change the order of them, instead of having Missed Calls - Voicemail - Text Messages - Email, I would rather have it as Text Messages - Email - Missed Calls - Voicemail.
What would I need to edit this? What file? Where?
Do I need any specific software or can it be done with something like notepad2?
.G.

as far as i know you cant modifiy the order...atleast not yet. I could and proabably be wrong

iamanalog said:
as far as i know you cant modifiy the order...atleast not yet. I could and proabably be wrong
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you might be able to edit it in the xml and reg, but i dont know.

kidinspace said:
I was just looking for a little advice on how to move some of the items on the sliding panels.
All I want to do is change the order of them, instead of having Missed Calls - Voicemail - Text Messages - Email, I would rather have it as Text Messages - Email - Missed Calls - Voicemail.
What would I need to edit this? What file? Where?
Do I need any specific software or can it be done with something like notepad2?
.G.
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i'm with you on that too!

kidinspace said:
I was just looking for a little advice on how to move some of the items on the sliding panels.
All I want to do is change the order of them, instead of having Missed Calls - Voicemail - Text Messages - Email, I would rather have it as Text Messages - Email - Missed Calls - Voicemail.
What would I need to edit this? What file? Where?
Do I need any specific software or can it be done with something like notepad2?
.G.
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Credit to Rickwyatt:
yes rearrange this in your home.xml
<Plugins Order="CClock;CHome;CAppointments;CMyApplication;C PhotoDialer;CWelcomeCenter;CWindowsLive;Settings"

sully78 said:
Credit to Rickwyatt:
yes rearrange this in your home.xml
<Plugins Order="CClock;CHome;CAppointments;CMyApplication;C PhotoDialer;CWelcomeCenter;CWindowsLive;Settings"
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that has nothing to do of what he wants

your right, my bad.

Sorry, but it's not possible to do that with the current knowledge we have of the panels. Maybe later... who knows...

What about getting it to have dark text, or dark graphics? I would really love to be able to do something with some lighter homescreen backgrounds Im working on.

Profezza said:
What about getting it to have dark text, or dark graphics? I would really love to be able to do something with some lighter homescreen backgrounds Im working on.
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There is a black text option on the V13-14 ROMs

sully78 said:
There is a black text option on the V13-14 ROMs
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Ah! I saw TextBlack.scheme.xml in \Windows... does anyone know what the hook was to link it to sliding panel?

Profezza said:
Ah! I saw TextBlack.scheme.xml in \Windows... does anyone know what the hook was to link it to sliding panel?
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yeah man, goto home screen > Color scheme > Text: black

I Havnt Tested Rickys V9 And Below(but In Version10 For Sure)
In Your Settings-homescreen-color, You Can Select Black Or White Text, I Doubt This Changed The Start Bar Color But I Didnt Pay Attention... (also, Play Around With The Settings And Everything Else On The Phone...i Found Different Clock Options And Im Extremely Happy With This Version!)

could this be added to chome

Im on Ricky's v.4 at the moment, I was wondering what the technical method was of adding the black text, so I could preload it into a color scheme, appropriate to a given default wallpaper, button color, etc.

Profezza said:
Im on Ricky's v.4 at the moment, I was wondering what the technical method was of adding the black text, so I could preload it into a color scheme, appropriate to a given default wallpaper, button color, etc.
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Hey you, black text? see attachment
extract...you know where it goes

AH, I get it now. I had been meaning to flash when I convenienly frozed my phone. It adds the black (or, white) text to the last picked color scheme. Nice!
Okay, now how do I mod the panels to black, and the icons in the top left corner of each? any starting spot? I didnt find anything that looked like a good lead in the .cpl or the .home...
Thanks, gang.

for the order of items in the panel, this might be useful:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2068381

not sure if this is true for all but whenever I set the text on a theme to 000000 it comes out jagged so i would suggest using 222222 or 111111...dark enough and not jagged.

I'm tempted to make a new thread, but this so seems like the right place. I've got the text themes working. Very well. I now can make my home screen a dizzying mess!
I am sure there is a way to make the panels themselves dark. Is it in a .dll in \windows? I cannot get some of them to copy, like, all the onse I want to pick at. Not that I am sure that my skills with ResHack are up for it. Anyone else interested?
I've got your chomebar.zip, now i am trying to integrate it.

Any way to review all messages in Message Tab?

hi Guys
I was wondering whether there is a way to review all messages in the Message Tab?
It shows the last message that was received and i have to finger scroll up and down to see all the messages. Moreover, it doesn't show me all the sent messages too, so trying to figure out what the message was related to has led to some confusing conversation.
Is there a way to show all the messages in the tab ? Tried looking for it on this search forum, but I wasn't able to find any, possibly due to the wrong keywords.
Thanks !

I'm assuming you mean in the TouchFlo 3D interface... It took me a while to stumble on this one myself (but it made sense thinking about the interface with other tabs), but you can go through the messages by dragging your finger up and down on the message on-screen. Dragging bottom-to-top goes backwards chronologically, and top-to-bottom goes forward.
Hope that helps.

thanks for the post.
Yeah i know that is how to go through the messages.
I was hoping i could see all messages displayed on the tab, instead of one message.
Is there a way to do this ?

I don't think that's possible, but you can tab on the message to open up the TF3D interface to view the conversation thread with the recipient, or click on All Messages (left softkey menu) to open the Windows Mobile interface to see the list of messages with various recipients.

Thanks for the reply.
That kinda is inconvenient. i would like to see all the new messages from different people, and i had already missed a few messages without thinking of going through the All Messages tab.
Wished there was a way to see all incoming new messages from different people at least.

Seeing as how it's still WM 6.1, I figured I'd just reuse all the old programs from my Wing. So I reinstalled the 750v palm threaded SMS program (which overwrites the current messaging app) and all was good in the world. Well, only somewhat...
Unfortunately, MMS no longer works which is really weird because it worked perfectly fine on my Wing. Now when I try to send a MMS, I keep getting the "Out of Memory" error. Oddly enough, I never got that error on the Wing... and it had a fraction of the memory compared to this beast.
Hopefully when 6.5 comes out, this can be resolved (or a program that automatically marks all your SMS's as read). Until then, the only solution I have been able to find has already been mentioned... and that's to manually swipe through each message. Sucks if you're a big texter since you can easily rack up tens (if not hundreds) of messages in a short period of time.

Thanks for the reply.
Unfortunately, i am a huge texter and i am loving the TP2. I could practically write an essay on it, and i won't feel like it is bogging me down.
Hence why i had "ignored" so many messages lol

With my Vodafone brnaded Touch Pro2 the left soft key is programmed to show "all messages" guess this is what you want but not sure how they managed it, I presume it is a reg edit. Maybe someone else knows which one.
Cheers
Barney

This is an interesting thread, as it highlights the design vs. functionality features of TF3D. As the author of this thread, me too would like to be able to see more than one message on the SMS tab and also have the option to have the reply go to the standard WM6.1 windows instead of the TF3D reply.

improwise said:
...and also have the option to have the reply go to the standard WM6.1 windows instead of the TF3D reply.
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You can already do this... kind of. When you go to the SMS tab, click left softkey for "All Messages." This will take you to the default SMS program you have on your phone (in my case, it will launch the Palm Threaded SMS). From here you can reply to any messages you have received. It takes a little longer to reply because you have to open the default SMS program then click the thread you want to reply to. Either way, it works.
Hope this helps!

Yeah I do heavy texting and emails but the touch flow 2d is really crappy. You can't even copy and paste!
I know I shouldn't say it but just simple think like the the safari web browser, sms messaging and big onscreen keypad is being missed on my iphone.

Maric said:
Yeah I do heavy texting and emails but the touch flow 2d is really crappy. You can't even copy and paste!
I know I shouldn't say it but just simple think like the the safari web browser, sms messaging and big onscreen keypad is being missed on my iphone.
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You can't copy and paste in the TP2 text program? Something I do every day on my Mogul? Geez, I really want this phone when it comes to Sprint, but that doesn't sound to good

TheBundo said:
You can't copy and paste in the TP2 text program? Something I do every day on my Mogul? Geez, I really want this phone when it comes to Sprint, but that doesn't sound to good
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Yeah it SMS on touchflo sucks bad. I am little weary with my purchase so far since I don't know I've run into a lot these little disappointments.
I guess I was spoiled by the iphone simple and clean interface. Even the dialpad seems kind of small and awkward to use. I am just hoping for some hardspl mods so I can see if this device can still woo me.

You CAN copy & paste from any SMS. Just open the message, or scroll down (if in threaded mode) to the item you want to copy, tap MENU, check SELECT TEXT, highlight the text, tap & hold then select copy.
It's 1 more step than before when I can simply highlight the text or number directly without having to tap menu. I guess the new TouchFlo 3D will have problems guessing if we want to highlight some text or scroll left/right when we slide our fingers across.

Putra said:
You CAN copy & paste from any SMS. Just open the message, or scroll down (if in threaded mode) to the item you want to copy, tap MENU, check SELECT TEXT, highlight the text, tap & hold then select copy.
It's 1 more step than before when I can simply highlight the text or number directly without having to tap menu. I guess the new TouchFlo 3D will have problems guessing if we want to highlight some text or scroll left/right when we slide our fingers across.
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When you said threaded mode, i am assuming you meant the Windows Mobile SMS app right ?
This is to clarify that the TF3D doesn't have the select text->cut and paste functionality but the Windows Mobile app does. You need to click on the left soft key "All messages" to bring up the Windows Mobile SMS screen, select the conversation, and you can then use Putra's instructions for text selection, copy and paste functionality.

Yes, in TF3D (or manila 2d), you can only read 1 sms at a time and limited to reply, forward & delete.
If you want to copy & paste, you need to open the Win Mob SMS application as outlined by btong1978

Problems selecting text - in SOME apps

I have just upgraded from a TyTN2/Kaiser to a new TP2/Rhodium running WM 6.1 .. and am enjoying the experience except for one fly in the ointment.
Text selection in certain apps is incredibly painful: using the stylus to select a portion of text is almost always interpreted as an attempt to drag-scroll the display. "Almost always" because if you time it properly, waiting a second or so and start dragging before the context menu pops up, then it sorta kinda works. But the selection seems to kick in quite some time AFTER beginning to drag, and therefore doesn't start at the beginning of the target. And Double-clicks (to select a whole word) no longer stretch word-for-word as I drag.
Most apps still work fine, but the following key apps suffer this annoying misbehaviour:
Contacts - But only the "Notes" tab. All text in the "Details" tab behaves as expected!
SMS texting - This occurs when selecting "Send Text Message" from a contact's Summary display (which is actually my preferred method as it is the quickest!). And it also occurs if you start an SMS from the messaging app via menu options Menu\New\SMS. But if you compose an SMS in the threaded view of a conversation in the same app, then the text selection is ok!
I can't find any posts by others who might be experiencing something similar, so is there a solution for this? A registry hack maybe? Am I the only one who has noticed this problem, or am I the only one who is annoyed so much by it?

Notes tab of Contacts app: I experience the same here. But it doesn't really bother me too much since I rarely have to select text here.
Messaging App: I didn't know you can select text like that (ie. tap and hold for a bit and drag) until you mentioned it! Anyway, if you want to select text here, you can always tap "Menu" and then "Select Text".

ohyeahar said:
Notes tab of Contacts app: I experience the same here. But it doesn't really bother me too much since I rarely have to select text here.
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I use the contact notes extensively, so it is extremely frustrating to have it compromised and complicated now (compared with TyTN2).
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Messaging App: I didn't know you can select text like that (ie. tap and hold for a bit and drag) until you mentioned it! Anyway, if you want to select text here, you can always tap "Menu" and then "Select Text".
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Ahh - thanks for that! Now if only i could find a way to keep that as the default

** UPDATE **
** UPDATE **
I just noticed that everything works properly .. if and only if you use "My Mobiler" to remotely control the phone. So you can use your mouse and your desktop monitor to drag select text in the above compromised apps (including Active Tasks by the way) .. and everything will be fine.
But when it come to using the stylus on the phone's touch-screen directly, the selection still misbehaves!!
This is not a workaround, just mentioning it in the hope that it might help someone enlightened enough to be able to piece the puzzle together

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=85583
Here's a solution to your problems.

digitaliceblast said:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=85583
Here's a solution to your problems.
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Thanks, but i'm not sure how exactly does it solve the problem? If you mean the post by orlandojumpoff (post #16) about pressing and holding and then dragging when the animation starts, then that's actually the problem itself.
The animation goes by so fast, that each time you do this, it takes a few false starts before you manage to time it right. The overall effect is to give priority to TF3D scrolling at the expense of functionality in terms of text selection. It makes me want to rip out TF3D by it's heart, which of course is a bit overkill.
I'd settle for being able to tell TF3D to stop interfering in specific apps, or simply to stop interferring while editing. Actually, come to think of it .. another viable option might be to find a way to get that animation to take a little longer ... hmmm

One thing you can do to mitigate it somewhat is to double tap on a word to select a word, triple tap to select an entire line. I use Pocket Informant and it too won't allow me to drag to select unless I try to time it like you do. Another trick is to use the hardware keyboard, and your arrow and shift keys combined to select text.
Sure wish the good things we like about WM would stick from version to version, and the bad things would be fixed and stay fixed. Hey, it could happen

trids said:
Text selection in certain apps is incredibly painful: using the stylus to select a portion of text is almost always interpreted as an attempt to drag-scroll the display...
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There is a similar problem on Topaz (Diamond 2). It seems finger scrolling sensitivity was made too high and it can no more tell finger from stylus. I found a (partial) solution. Maybe it works on Rhodium too.
- Find the registry key "HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings".
- It should contains a subkey named "TFLOIgnoreAPPs". If it does not exist create it.
- For every application where you want to be able to select text add a string value called "IgnoreAppXY" where XY are two characters different for every entry.
- As value enter the name of the application EXE file as seen in file explorer (warning: case does matter).
From then on for that applications finger scrolling is suppressed and text selection works as expected.
This is a sample from my registry
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\TFLOIgnoreAPPs]
"IgnoreAppST"="WiFiNetwork.exe"
"IgnoreAppYT"="YouTube.exe"
"IgnoreAppPH"="PIMHelper.exe"
"IgnoreAppNP"="NOTEPAD.exe"
"IgnoreAppCE"="ContactEditor.exe"
"IgnoreAppTM"="tmail.exe"
"WiFiNetwork.exe" and YouTube.exe" were already there. I added "PIMHelper.exe" (editing inside SPB Diary Today plugin),
"ContactEditor.exe" (editing for Contacts), "tmail.exe" (editing for SMS and email) and "NOTEPAD.exe" (Orneta text editor).
Hope it helps.

That method worked for me for Pocket Informant, using "ignoreappPI"="PocketInformant.exe".
Thanks!

SOLVED!
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\TFLOIgnoreAPPs]
"IgnoreAppST"="WiFiNetwork.exe"
"IgnoreAppYT"="YouTube.exe"
"IgnoreAppPH"="PIMHelper.exe"
"IgnoreAppNP"="NOTEPAD.exe"
"IgnoreAppCE"="ContactEditor.exe"
"IgnoreAppTM"="tmail.exe"
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Brilliant - Thank you! This is EXACTLY what i was hoping for! Awesome!

Update:
I posted this brilliant solution to the standard thread for Rhodium Cabs,Tips,Tweaks etc
.. Thanks again oruam57!
Just a word of caution. My device already had [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\TFLOIgnoreAPPs], with YouTube as the only exclusion, but i notice that the board seems to introduce a space into the "TFLOIgnoreAPPs" portion, which might cause problems for some folks who want to try this out.
And for the record, this solution does not solve the problem for the standard editor for Contacts and Tasks, which doesn't have a Process whose name you can use. So I'll start looking at custom editors for Contacts now, but it's good to have this handy tweak within reach!

trids said:
And for the record, this solution does not solve the problem for the standard editor for Contacts and Tasks, which doesn't have a Process whose name you can use.
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Maybe I do not understand exactly your problem but on my Topaz:
- in the first tab of standard Contacts and Task editor text selection does work (do not know why, I suppose Touch Flow has some internal logic);
- in the second tab (Notes) of Contacts text selection can be forced working by inserting the process "ContactEditor.exe";
- in the second tab (Notes) of Tasks text selection can be forced working by inserting the process "poutlook.exe".
At any rate using Dotfred's Task Manager (http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm) you can inspect processes and windows on your phone and with a little patience you can find the owner process of any interesting window.

Hooray!
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Hope it helps.
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Thank you soooo much oruam57! I searched for hours yesterday for a fix for this issue. It was driving me crazy. I made two of my own for ListPro and eWallet and they work great now too. THANKS!

oruam57 said:
Maybe I do not understand exactly your problem but on my Topaz:
- in the first tab of standard Contacts and Task editor text selection does work (do not know why, I suppose Touch Flow has some internal logic);
- in the second tab (Notes) of Contacts text selection can be forced working by inserting the process "ContactEditor.exe";
- in the second tab (Notes) of Tasks text selection can be forced working by inserting the process "poutlook.exe".
At any rate using Dotfred's Task Manager (http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm) you can inspect processes and windows on your phone and with a little patience you can find the owner process of any interesting window.
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@ Oruam57, you're right, thanks again! I was in fact using DotFred's Task Manager to discover the processes .. but i came to the incorrect conclusion (that there was no identifiable processes, for Tasks and for Contacts) because i saw no change in the processes listed between editing and not editing their notes, as poutlook.exe was still running after i edited the notes and while the list of tasks/contacts was still displayed.
And this is how I overlooked the possibility that poutlook.exe itself was the editor
BTW, i notice that the exclusion for poutlook.exe works for the notes of both Tasks AND Contacts, they seem to use the same editor. I have no ContactEditor.exe listed at all, must be for your custom editor.

I tried with on WLMMessenger.exe, but it didint work.
I still cant select ( highlight ) text from a conversation. When i do it begins to scroll..
Has anyone the solution?

[Q] How do you format a SMS?

Guys
Quite daft question really, but I do not see a way for me to enter a carriage return (enter character) in order to format a SMS message? All the message text goes on the same line.

Have we all stopped using SMS to send messages?? Anyone?

s1977 said:
Have we all stopped using SMS to send messages?? Anyone?
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Kik FTW.
But yeah, it seems as though there's no option to substitute the smiley key for the return key on the default keyboard... one hideous workaround would be to compose in Gmail, then copy and paste into Messaging.
You could install another keyboard...but that's sort of ridiculous.

If you push the space bar enough times and then type something it will start on the next line
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

Good that you confirmed that.. I was going mad trying to search for a way to format a simple message. The OS is two steps forward and one step backwards in some areas really...
Yep, another keyboard stands as a possible solution, but I wonder why Google missed such an obvious option..
Thanks!

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If you push the space bar enough times and then type something it will start on the next line
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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It also wastes that many of your 140 characters, and will not necessarily wrap to the same location on the receiving device. Not a realistic solution in this case. It's similar to people centering text in documents by adding spaces to the front of the text instead of just hitting "Align Center".
s1977 said:
Good that you confirmed that.. I was going mad trying to search for a way to format a simple message. The OS is two steps forward and one step backwards in some areas really...
Yep, another keyboard stands as a possible solution, but I wonder why Google missed such an obvious option..
Thanks!
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Yeah, it is unusual. It would be an incredibly simple fix if I had the messaging app source code, though. I imagine the text field is just set to a certain type of input, much like the 10-digit keyboard that comes up in certain contextual fields. Is the messaging app part of AOSP? I think it is. I should play around with that... *makes a mental note*

I would have imagined that the carriage return would appear as an option directly or in one of the contextual options. Looking at some of the characters included, I find it hillarious that they have included characters like copyright, pi, carat, etc....Who uses these in SMS's? scientists?

I know its old, but...
... 've been wondering how to put LF in SMS messages.
See the attached LatinIME, it has two smilies changed and an Enter button on the dot extra characters button.
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=23362533