Leo/HD2 and Android - Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking

Im thinking of making the move back to htc having had an xda mini ii a cuople of years ago before moving to my 1st gen iphone.
the htc leo looks great, nice big screen, good camera, flash n storage but im not too enamoured by having to move back to winmo which sucks.
is it easy to swap the os from winmo to android as i really like the way things are shaping up on the android scene and the nice snapdragon cpu in the leo should work wonders for performance.
another android question i have is is it easy to put the variations of os's on there as the default android build is a but basic?

i dont know why you'd want to do that.. WinMo is good.. with TouchFlo (Sense) it completely rocks.. HTC has just ramped up android with its custom interface.. in reality android is not such a good OS.. but at the end it me who feels that way.
would love to flash winmo 7 on the Leo.. anyway there is an upgrade on 6.5 planned in March 2010
cheers!

If you want Android on awesome hardware, get a Motorola Droid/Sholes. It kicks the pants off the HD2s hardware anyways....
1. A working GPU fully accessible to programs and OS
2. QWERTY keyboard in a phone much the same size AND thickness as the iPhone!
Back to your question though, Android on Leo sounds great if you either have a lot of patience or don't mind using severely limited alpha software on your phone day to day. IMO, it would be a waste to get a phone such as the Leo, and then to procede to make it incredibly bug ridden by installing a non-approved OS w/o any proper driver or oem support.

HTC will anyway launch the Dragon soon.. same specs as Leo.. runs on Android

sonus said:
If you want Android on awesome hardware, get a Motorola Droid/Sholes. It kicks the pants off the HD2s hardware anyways....
1. A working GPU fully accessible to programs and OS
2. QWERTY keyboard in a phone much the same size AND thickness as the iPhone!
Back to your question though, Android on Leo sounds great if you either have a lot of patience or don't mind using severely limited alpha software on your phone day to day. IMO, it would be a waste to get a phone such as the Leo, and then to procede to make it incredibly bug ridden by installing a non-approved OS w/o any proper driver or oem support.
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With 550mhz processor and 256mb RAM Moto Droid kicks out HD2? only cuz it has a qwerty keyboard? lets get real here.. only the HTC Dragon (Leo specs with Android) has it to kick Leo.. or a phone with nvidia' 1gghz processor.. neither are launched.. so.. no points for guessing

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With 550mhz processor and 256mb RAM Moto Droid kicks out HD2? only cuz it has a qwerty keyboard? lets get real here.. only the HTC Dragon (Leo specs with Android) has it to kick Leo.. or a phone with nvidia' 1gghz processor.. neither are launched.. so.. no points for guessing
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I am being real, the working graphics chip in the Droid does count for a lot, and takes much of the processing off of the processor. Take a look at the iPhone 3GS, or Palm Pre... or even look at a PC with a decent processor and graphics card, vs. a PC with just a higher spec processor.
But I guess we won't really know until someone benchmarks Droid and Dragon...

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touch pro 2 running android???

is it possible to flash a android rom on the touch pro 2??? would be nice to have the hero rom on my touch pro 2 idk if its even possible
Yeah if you want to brick your phone then go ahead
You should give it to someone who wants it so bad
Dude Android is a different OS with a completely different architecture.
You may be able to port Android functions to Windows Mobile if someone is willing to do it, but it's impossible to use Android on WinMo *yet*.
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Dude Android is a different OS with a completely different architecture.
You may be able to port Android functions to Windows Mobile if someone is willing to do it, but it's impossible to use Android on WinMo *yet*.
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I think he talks about running it nativelz on the phone...
I don|t know if you can think of a phone like a pc, but basically shouldnt it be possible to run android on the Rhodium with the right drivers and the right SPL ??
im just saying it would be nice i know its a diffrent os and i cant think of it as a pc but it all really is made by htc if u think about it if someone were able to find a way i would gladly run it on my touch...i realized when i hard reseted my phone it was very similar to when flashing the g1 thats y i asked
And don't forget they both run on the same Qualcomm MSM7200A. Making the supposition that they can be ported more plausible.
It's been ported quite nicely for the Vogue so I don't see why it couldn't be ported for the TP2. I think it just needs a dedicated dev team and a big enough user base to make it worthwhile... I'd definitely be interested in seeing that project come to light!
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It's been ported quite nicely for the Vogue so I don't see why it couldn't be ported for the TP2. I think it just needs a dedicated dev team and a big enough user base to make it worthwhile... I'd definitely be interested in seeing that project come to light!
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Yes I have a vogue (Winmo device) and have been using Android exclusively on it for the last month or so - it's fantastic! The reason I lurk in the TP2 thread is hoping Android gets ported over - I love the TP2 and its high on my "want" list but can't go back to Winmo - hopefully Android isn't too far off.
I would pay for it...
Seriously, by donation or actually having to pay for it I would have no issue forking out some dough for android on my TP2. As long as i had all the functions like wifi, 3g, bluetooth, etc. My concern is that the phone may run slower with the higher resolution screen but then again the g1 doesnt run at max cpu speeds on a stock build so maybe running it overclocked(max speed) can help. The battery life on my tp2 is wayyyy better than my g1 so if running the core faster is needed i feel the battery could keep up at least on the level of the g1. Also the additional ram may help too. Its strange how even people who dont know much about phones keep asking if i am gonna run android on it. I love my TP2 but its the hardware I love and the os is good but unless the winmo marketplace gets up an running the momentum android has is just too attractive.
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Seriously, by donation or actually having to pay for it I would have no issue forking out some dough for android on my TP2. As long as i had all the functions like wifi, 3g, bluetooth, etc. My concern is that the phone may run slower with the higher resolution screen but then again the g1 doesnt run at max cpu speeds on a stock build so maybe running it overclocked(max speed) can help. The battery life on my tp2 is wayyyy better than my g1 so if running the core faster is needed i feel the battery could keep up at least on the level of the g1. Also the additional ram may help too. Its strange how even people who dont know much about phones keep asking if i am gonna run android on it. I love my TP2 but its the hardware I love and the os is good but unless the winmo marketplace gets up an running the momentum android has is just too attractive.
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I agree. I would love to have Sense UI on my TP2 once I get it. I hate WinMo, the only reason I'm getting the TP2 is because it's such a siiiick device
I'm happy to find out that I am probably not the only person who fell in love with the device after demo'ing one from the T-Mobile store. I have used windows mobile since about 3 devices ago, got a G1, currently running Sense-UI and loving it!! If the Touch Pro 2 could port an android build over with enough Developer support it could easily be done, just as all the rom flashing we never though would be possible for the G1 but ended up doing daily =) Spread the word and keep asking for developer support, don't be afraid to flash a little cash to make it worth their time, and the community will push it in the right direction
NO!!!DO NOT RUN ANDRIOD ON YOUR TOUCH PRO 2. This is totally different with its own os and that will destroy your phone....
Guinea Pig.
I dont mind being the guinea pig with my TP2 if someone can come up with a way of running android on it. I have a g1 I can use in the mean time. I would even consider a temporary phone donation if this gets some serious attention. Of course I would need it back eventually lol.
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NO!!!DO NOT RUN ANDRIOD ON YOUR TOUCH PRO 2. This is totally different with its own os and that will destroy your phone....
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Uhm, no? Android runs through HARET, which you run from WinMO, then it closes down WinMO so that Android is the only OS running... and it runs off your SD-card. I have android on my old ELF, and I've ****ed up the install so many times, I dunno' what to do anymore, haha. Phone works fine.
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Uhm, no? Android runs through HARET, which you run from WinMO, then it closes down WinMO so that Android is the only OS running... and it runs off your SD-card. I have android on my old ELF, and I've ****ed up the install so many times, I dunno' what to do anymore, haha. Phone works fine.
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Oh, so this is how the Android runs on the phone. I was under the illusion that I have to delete winmo for the running of android.....(I should learn more about that....)
Interesting, I had a G1 and loved Android. I would pay/donate money to the cause.It's worth a shot with the TP2.
I would love to see this too. I have been using a G1 for the past year and love Android. I just ordered a TP2 however, but would really like to get Android on it eventually.
+1 i would love this aswell
I've been thinking about starting the port (have to wait until the 26th to get my TP2 sadly) for Android. Not great with coding but good enough to make tweaks and such to the linux kernel. If there are any others who are interested, maybe we should get together and get the ball rolling? The TP version should work on the TP2 (same hardware underneath still) with the exception of the screen and CPU. Anyway, if anyone here is good at coding for Linux/hardware/IO/etc, please shoot me an email/PM! Don't really have a need for guinea pigs yet since anything we do will need to be tested right away, not whenever the next guinea pig is available

Android on Rhodium... like on "real" andoid phone?

Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
nobody can say this because all developers work on this in their free time and its their decission how much time they spend to this.
on the other hand there are many non solved problems and nobody can say if this problems can be fixed in 2 days or never.
so lets wait and see what great things devs can do in future
In theory it should run as smooth on Rhodium too I guess since they use the same kind of core hardwares such as processor and RAM.
The only thing I would guess is the drivers issues with the different hardwares such as keyboard, etc..., but as lhwparis said, the developers do it at their own time.
We just have to wish them good luck and appreciate their effort
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Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
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If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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Im pretty sure that Rhodium Android benchmarks faster than on other native android devices already using Android Market benchmarking apps.
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If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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Not completely true. The SD card is removable flash, the internal storage is just non-removable flash. If you get a fast enough SD card, there's no difference.
Also, Android can be flashed to the internal storage of a device with some cunning through the same idea they are using now (bootloading through Haret). Take a look at the Vogue and Kaiser threads.. The devs just have to work on that process, which I'm sure is not as important to them as getting Open GL working 100%, sound, and complete battery management.
I stand corrected. Thanks. Running Android of SD memory can be just as fast.
Exactly. When you buy your next SD card, shell out the extra $10 or so and get a class 6. You won't regret it.
You mean, if only you get a very fast SD card, the whole system, including all animations and click(touch)-processing latencies will be as fast as on devices running Android natively?
I want to clarify that, since I thought it just has some serious driver underdevelopment issues (like opengl, which is widely used by it) or some kind of slower debug build. On my phone it runs about two-three time slower than on a phone with native android (and lower cpu clock, but much lower screen resolution as well)
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You mean, if only you get a very fast SD card, the whole system, including all animations and click(touch)-processing latencies will be as fast as on devices running Android natively?
I want to clarify that, since I thought it just has some serious driver underdevelopment issues (like opengl, which is widely used by it) or some kind of slower debug build. On my phone it runs about two-three time slower than on a phone with native android (and lower cpu clock, but much lower screen resolution as well)
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What are you comparing your phone to? Don't look at a Droid X or an EVO dude. You have to compare apples to apples - about the closest native Android hardware to our phones is/was the HTC Hero. So that's our benchmark basically.
With that said, there probably is some software improvements, but getting a higher class SD will definitely help as well. I heard boot times are probably the most to benefit from higher class SD - don't expect miracles tho, there's definitely still some things that need optimizing - I think at present the devs aren't exactly sure what those things are
Once the major bugs are squashed certainly the focus will then be more on stability, performance and battery life. We've gotten quite a few battery fixes lately, hopefully performance will be next on the docket
I was comparing it to the nearest phone I could touch, ZTE Racer ;-)
Racer has a 600MHz clock (okay, i thought it was slower than 528 (AFAIR) of TP2) and a pretty ****ty screen ;-). But that's not one of those 1G Snapdragons.
I wish TP2 ran Android like a brand new phone one day... ;-)
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I was comparing it to the nearest phone I could touch, ZTE Racer ;-)
Racer has a 600MHz clock (okay, i thought it was slower than 528 (AFAIR) of TP2) and a pretty ****ty screen ;-). But that's not one of those 1G Snapdragons.
I wish TP2 ran Android like a brand new phone one day... ;-)
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Having owned and used an HTC Hero and Samsung Moment I can tell you that the vanilla version (non-overclocked) of this build is about the same speed as the Hero. The overclocked version is faster than both when running on my class 6 card.
No Crystal Ball & No HTC Help
breytex said:
Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
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The issues are drivers, drivers, drivers and null assistance from HTC. With little more than the technical docs of the Qualcomm processor shared by the Rhodium as well as native HTC & other manufacturers Android devices the developers are nothing short of being friggin amazing. It's a lot of hit n miss trial n error and we the users are the beta testers.
My initial goal of being one of many beta testers was to see whether Android is a viable replacement for my WinMo device especially in light of Microsoft's direction with WP7.
HTC is helpful to XDA developers when it helps sell current devices. Unfortunately HTC in their shortsightedness fails to see the benefit of a successful Project Android being the springboard of many to a purchase a new native Android HTC device.
So will we have drivers, drivers, drivers to make the Rhodium as good or better than a similar hardware native Android device is a question no one can answer definitively when or if ever. For the time being, I like other beta testers will avoid phone calls like the plague, but nonetheless will have enough hands on to make an educated decision whether Android is right for them.
I dont know
My setup of Android seems to be working pretty good minus a few small bugs. Main bug I would say is battery issues. All in all mine is damn quick,and definitely faster than the winmo on the device. My winmo is trim and pimped out but still runs like a turd. It's reliable but slow. My ole lady has the Epic Galaxy S, and it is indeed fast and smooth with particularly vivid color (amoled), but I am gaining a new appreciation for my TP2 again wth Android. My screen looks pretty sharp as well. I am bouncing back and forth from winmo to droid often, but I can manage to stay in droid for long periods and not miss a beat. Waking up to my new rooster alarm sound ain't too shabby either.
I am a stickler for response speeds, and winmo out of the box blew just like it does on computers. Linux has never let me down, and now neither will droid. I would like to have a way in droid to check my 10 different email address' and not just gmail, but I'm sure there's a way. Windows' ideas are ok but their performance/quality has always just been farts upwind.
One thing some people don't think about is the apps and stuff they choose to run and the things they do on their phone, but at least android attempts to warn you of the access the app is being granted on your device before you install. Phones today have cameras, mics, speakers, communications, GPS, and a G-sensor. The only thing they can't do is taste and smell (coming soon). All in all though, they are capable of knowing where you are, where you've been, what you say, and what you look like as well as possibly being remotely controlled. Enjoy, but beware
The only thing holding us back is the slow GPU and the resistive screen.

HTC Desire vs Samsung Wave

Hey
i saw many reports about the mwc in barcelona and the upcoming phones.
2 of them seem to be best, the HTC Desire with its awesome technic specs and the samsung wave with bada and nearly better specs.
what phone would you prefer, what do you think about bada and what about the new sense?
Bada is new, .. with little to no applications for it, while android have many applications in the market place (Over 9000 applications).
And with Android you can expect alot of support for it, but what kind of support you have for the Bada now?
I prefer Android phone over Bada in a heart beat (any Android phone, not Desire specifically)
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many applications in the market place (Over 9000 applications).
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More than 30000
And for same raisons as Irkan, I prefer Android for now. I think Bada is too young and has not the same support as Android.
That whole Bada OS is not really reaching me. I have read almost no articles about it, while I check out almost all major phone websites daily.
Only thing I remember is when 7 Series news started popping @ MWC, one of these major websites said something like: 'Bada OS... wel, is a long way from how impressive 7 Series is, so we are going to talk about 7 Series and not Bada'. While it may not have been these exact words, this was the idea. I see Bada OS as a OS for the 'simple' people. People on this forum are not these 'simple people'.
But hey I could be wrong about Bada OS. Anyway, HTC Desire > Samsung Wave. I just don't buy Samsung devices anymore. Plus 3.3 inch = fail. Even 3.5 inch is to small.
I trust Samsung to make their own OS competently about as much as I trust my pet goldfish to figure out quantum physics. In other words--no. Bada OS will most likely function like a featurephone non-OS.
Bada OS - Featurephone OS. Esentially that's what it is, to power its Tocco like devices.
Android - Smartphone OS
I think this is the first Samsung's open OS, isn't?. Samsung support for closed OSs was/is very bad I admit it, but I believe that as open OS and including a market platform for apps, Bada could be a different stuff from Samsung.
On the other hand the Samsung wave specs point at the best device nowadays. 1GHz snapdragon, aluminium body, templed scratch-resistant glass surface, 1500 mAh battery, 720p recording, Radio FM, BT 3.0, and 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with 480 x 800 pixels resolution in addition to this you can read easily in a sunny day on this screen, and has improved viewer angle.
Simply perfect
Samsung Wave ... perhaps with Android OS???
So the Hardware Specs and Build Quality looks good.
The Bada OS would also put me off as it really doesn´t show any diffence to Andriod, except that there will be less apps.
I´d days a perfect Andriod 2.x phone.
Or could the Samsung SHW-M120S be the same with android?
Samsung make nice tvs and screens
Don't do nice OS
Android Everytime...
Think they made the wave to grab attention for bada
you should look at Samsung Galaxy S (Android 2.1).. not this bada device
No point in nice hardware if the OS isn't any good.
The only OS's worth anything in my opinion are Android, iOS and Windows Phone Mobile Seven Series Edition or whatever it's called (from what I've seen so far)
So yeah go with the Desire if they are the only two phones you are considering, though there are some better Android phones in my opinion.
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you should look at Samsung Galaxy S (Android 2.1).. not this bada device
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And then revolt at the sight of Touchwizz? No thank you!
I just wish Samsung would use vanilla android and focus their attention on updating their phones with the latest android builds.
Imagine the galaxy s getting the froyo update just weeks after the nexus one. A lot of people would jump ship to samsung android phones just for their after sales support.
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I think this is the first Samsung's open OS, isn't?. Samsung support for closed OSs was/is very bad I admit it, but I believe that as open OS and including a market platform for apps, Bada could be a different stuff from Samsung.
On the other hand the Samsung wave specs point at the best device nowadays. 1GHz snapdragon, aluminium body, templed scratch-resistant glass surface, 1500 mAh battery, 720p recording, Radio FM, BT 3.0, and 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with 480 x 800 pixels resolution in addition to this you can read easily in a sunny day on this screen, and has improved viewer angle.
Simply perfect
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It doesn't have a snapdragon does it? I thought it has samsung's own hummingbird cpu like the galaxy s does...
So in that way it's even better but bada doesn't seem competative to android and others
My sister got an Samsung Wave some month ago because she is in a Samsung Developer Program. Having played around with it and a Nexus One ive got to say:
Pro:
Bada is faster and snappier than Android 2.1 (don't know about 2.2).
Every App i tested ran more fluently and the battery drain was lower than on the Nexus One. From an Performance and Stability Point of View i think Bada is the better OS.
It's going to be cheaper than any comparable Device because Samsung wants to push Bada with it.
Con:
Currently there is a ridiculously small amount of applications out there, not even one Car-Navigation App. This is the Show-Stopper for me because i use my Xpera X1 currently for Music(SenseMp3), Car Navigation (TomTom), Mails and Browsing and to give up on the Hardware Keyboard that lets me write longer mails without pain and to give up on the Car Navigation Feature is just not imaginable for me.
Developing own Applications for Bada is Done in C++ which makes it quite harder for anyone who loves the convenience of Java or Python. But i think this is a reason why its OS works so well on its own.
Samsung Wave with Android
The build quality seams much better than the Glaxay S.
So is it not possible to port a nicer Android OS to the Samsung Wave?
Or it it that hard to get Bada off the Phone?
I mean they ported Android to the Iphone 3gs already.
I just really dont like Samsung devices.. they are too much like cheap chinese toys with really bizarre functions that never quite step up to the mark.
I'm sure they've released a couple of serious handsets but all the ones I've used are very much WTF!?!?!
Agreed with previous , with phones samsung not going well ,
but looking on hardware specs i consider to take this one -
just if it will be in android os!!!
Since buying my Omnia II im so disillusiond with samsung. It had the best specs when it came on the market. But the horrible OS thats on it! I had to buy a shell and have flashed numerous roms to be able to use the phone anywhere near normal. And now a year later the phone still has not got working opengl drivers. And development has probably stopped on the phone.
Never a samsung again for me.
I'm so jealous of you guys who have a desire (just a few more months till contract renewal!!)
I've both wave and desire, what should i say ... the wave is a nice piece of electronics, fantastic display and good quality but bada is not as good as samsung want us to believe. very little apps, half-baked apps (email e.g.) and often unintuitive handling. It has not that flexibility android has. But in deed batterylife is much better then any other smartphone i know except blackberrys and we've to consider that its version 1.0, so maybe bada's development is as fast as android's - as is know samsung, i don't believe.
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Never a samsung again for me.
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It's looks like similar for me, but for Eten devices, so at least clear now the situation.
Then need to wait similar device from HTC , about 3.2-3.5", 1GHz, small weight and powerful battery on Android

[Q] Touch vs Touch Pro - which to get

Hi all,
I have Palm Treo 700p's and want to update a bit without losing my fair and flex
family plan with Sprint; unfortunately Spring says I can't upgrade to any of the
phones that natively run Android,
I learned about flashing HTC phones running WM and have been trying to learn.
Trying to decide between the Touch or Touch Pro which seem to be the newest
HTC phones I can use.
It appears that the Touch had the best support but the developers have moved
on and the Touch Pro may now be getting more support; do I read this correctly?
Which would you recommend, Touch or Touch Pro, or is there another phone I
should check with Sprint for use?
I welcome your input
Thanks
FS
You're going to be very disappointed if you expect either of these phones to run Android natively well.
This port isn't nearly done. Perhaps the only phone (to my knowledge) that could be considered complete is the HTC Vogue - which is ironically the original Touch you are probably speaking of.
The TouchPro IMHO is a better phone (the keyboard is fantastic - only better is on the TP2 ) but does not run Android very well. Android is just a plaything, for testing and for fun on most WinCE devices.
To sum up - the Vogue & the HD2 have the most complete port of Android, with the Vogue probably being considered "completely finished" (full NAND), however... that hardware is old. HD2 is very promising, they have a few little bugs to squash and then NAND... But no HD2 love for Sprint.
Not sure how good of an Android experience it is on the Vogue. Won't ever be that fantastic on the TP or TP2 tho.... Old hardware there as well my friend
I was in the same boat. have a great (cheap) old data plan that I was not willing to give up.
I went with a touch diamond. My previous phone was a vogue.
I can say that the diamond is a far better phone than the vogue. Better screen, more responsive touchscreen, better video, accelerometer, better camera... but the Vogue probably does better with Android since it can run Android from Nand instead of the storage (SD) card.
Android is fun on the Diamond, but its pretty crippled. No camera. No speakerphone for things like GPS. Poor battery life. Too slow for any flash apps to run fluidly... Basically android on the Diamond feels more like an emulation- because that is all it is.
That said, its fun to be able to play around with android, and WinMo is not so bad for a dead OS. There are some decent ROMs and plenty of freeware still floating around. And the Diamond makes for a nice phone on terms of small size, GPS, good speakerphone, WIFI and even WIFI sharing with the right ROM.
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I can say that the diamond is a far better phone than the vogue. Better screen, more responsive touchscreen, better video, accelerometer, better camera... but the Vogue probably does better with Android since it can run Android from Nand instead of the storage (SD) card.
Android is fun on the Diamond, but its pretty crippled. No camera. No speakerphone for things like GPS. Poor battery life. Too slow for any flash apps to run fluidly... Basically android on the Diamond feels more like an emulation- because that is all it is.
That said, its fun to be able to play around with android, and WinMo is not so bad for a dead OS. There are some decent ROMs and plenty of freeware still floating around. And the Diamond makes for a nice phone on terms of small size, GPS, good speakerphone, WIFI and even WIFI sharing with the right ROM.
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Just to set the record straight, this project is running natively on the hardware - it's not a virtual machine, and it is certainly not being emulated in any way shape or form...
I could see how you would think that, because of all the broken/not working stuff... Well we just have to reverse engineer WinMo libs, dlls, etc and then write our own drivers basically for the different pieces of hardware.
Hence the reason new kernels come out so frequently - there's a lot of work that needs to be done on that kernel to get everything working the way it should. Devs are making some good progress lately, hopefully DIAM/RAPH will have NAND soon. I heard Neopeek was working on NAND back in August on his DIAM... haven't heard much about it since unfortunately. However, RHOD's have a partial NAND, and with the head of steam we've got going now, I'm pretty confident soon we will be up to the level of the Vogue - if not beyond it. However, the processor/RAM specs are pretty paltry compared to most native Android devices.
Sorry for the damned long post. One last question, your speakerphone doesn't work in GPS? Hrm. It should. Have you tried the newest kernels...? The autobuild service is down, but F22's been kindly building them for us...
why not just get a NEWER phone other then one that was released 2-4 years ago?
Cause after having invested SO MUCH time into running android on the phone, it's impossible to give up.. And having full control over hardware compensates for the hardware being ancient
Aaron McCarthy said:
why not just get a NEWER phone other then one that was released 2-4 years ago?
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Because moneys doesn't grow on the trees..
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Because moneys doesn't grow on the trees..
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Exactly! Or I would have had a nexus 1 a long time ago... ;D
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Exactly! Or I would have had a nexus 1 a long time ago... ;D
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and I would have had a Desire...

I am Jealous of HD2

How come HD2 can have wm 6.5, android,meego and wp7?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/24/htc-hd2-can-now-dual-boot-windows-phone-7-and-android-promises/
Because it's an old device who turned into a "testmachine".
ArtieQ said:
Because it's an old device who turned into a "testmachine".
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HAHAHA
But seriously
i may be wrong but i think it has the same specs
I have put on Android/DHD ROM on my HD2 and it runs very well (my Desire still runs a non DHD ROM)
its an old device with decent hardware.
most stuff nowadays is not far off what a hd2 is anyhow - and why would you want to dual boot anyway - isnt android good enough?
Im not jealous of the HD2 wtf lol
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Just my thought, but probably cause it's great hardware with bad software. The Desire, or any other Android phone does not suffer form the ****ty software so it's less interesting to get other software running on it.
im jealous of its design. It looks better than all phones. I love analog buttons...
TheGhost1233 said:
Just my thought, but probably cause it's great hardware with bad software. The Desire, or any other Android phone does not suffer form the ****ty software so it's less interesting to get other software running on it.
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Yes, exactly what I was thinking. The difference between running WM6.X and Android on there is miles apart.
rouvax said:
im jealous of its design. It looks better than all phones. I love analog buttons...
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I'm too, but size is annoyed me after one year of usage...
HD2 is a miracle device, it's refresh you after every Rom flash as itself
dexteral said:
How come HD2 can have wm 6.5, android,meego and wp7?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/24/htc-hd2-can-now-dual-boot-windows-phone-7-and-android-promises/
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Buy yourself one....
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HTC-HD-2-HD2...77401?pt=AU_Mobile_Phones&hash=item3cb480cbb9
I LOVE ANDROID PHONES ESP. DESIRE BECAUSE (OF ITS SPEED, SIMPLICITY AND UI) IT DOESNT CRASH ON YOU WHILE CALLING, DOESNT RESTART RANDOMLY, ETC WHICH I HAD WITH ALMOST ALL MY WM 6.5 DEVICES WITH THE LAST BEING XPERIA X1.
BUT ON AN ANOTHER NOTE I WOULDNT MIND TESTING DIFFERENT OSs LIKE I DO ON MY VAIO OR DELL. DONT TELL ME YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT TEMPTED.
AND YES I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A USED HD2 TO JUST TEST OUT THESE OSs.
SORRY FOR THE CAPS.
IMHO I don't care One os is enough to personalize, save contacts, sms, photos etc....with two or more I guess I'd get crazy!!
I have to agree - its nice to try/trial (I have a HTC Touch HD with the SD bootable version of android) and to play with - but one OS is decent enough I think...
There was a poll on the hd2 thread a little while ago and it looked like about half of the users were using an android OS now - so as long as you have that option you're doing alright!
I don't rate the HD2, I had it for a year. It's got a crap battery life, it's big, the one single bar for all of the buttons isn't a brilliant design. I don't care much for dual booting any of the five or more OS's it can run, the Desire is a far better device and I am glad I switched.
I have both the HD2 and Desire. For a every day android device, my preference goes to the Desire. IMO the Desire is a native android device and will always run android better. Even with nand on the HD2, it still has it's problems.

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