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Screen quality of Rhodium relative to Kaiser.

I am a Kaiser user thinking of upgrading to the Rhodium, but one of my critical upgrade requirements is to have a better screen than the one that came with the Kaiser. I am NOT talking about screen resolution (I already know that the Rhodium has higher resolution). I am talking about the light reflection properties.
The screen that comes with the Kaiser can be seen clearly when indoors, but it is impossible to see when you are outside. It reflects too much light. Other phones (for example on some of the latest Blackberries) have screens that can be seen PERFECTLY both indoors and outdoors.
Can somebody please tell me whether the outdoor reflection problems with the Kaiser are solved on the Rhodium?

I have a kaiser as well and tp2 is far better outdoor. The ambient light sensor and auto backlight adjustements really help...

I was going to ask the same question, so im just as interested in peoples response to this. thanks

manuv1615 said:
I have a kaiser as well and tp2 is far better outdoor. The ambient light sensor and auto backlight adjustements really help...
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I noticed you are from the UK. Have you tested it on a really sunny day? Because I am pretty sure that the results will be different on dark rainy day (like you have in London regularly...I am from the Netherlands, so its not much different) than on a sunny bright day.

Much better indeed
witschey said:
I noticed you are from the UK. Have you tested it on a really sunny day? Because I am pretty sure that the results will be different on dark rainy day (like you have in London regularly...I am from the Netherlands, so its not much different) than on a sunny bright day.
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I'm from Israel, and upgraded my Kaiser for a TP2 a few weeks ago. Indeed the screen is much better, even outdoors on sunny summer days (LOTS of sun here. ).
It's still not perfect (what can ever be?), but the light sensor does help and if you choose your backgrounds well, it's great. I can use the phone without having to guess where things are (as I had to do with the Kaiser) and on the black on white background screens (emails, text, ...) it's even better.
I use it for turn-by-turn navigation on the car and it's good too, although the silver frame sometimes reflects the sun and it's a bit annoying, but it doesn't interfere with screen reading in any way.
I'm really happy with the upgrade and think the TP2 is the best phone out there by far.

I live in Arizona and when I walk outside the screen disappears! OTOH, so do the screens of all other devices as well.
I'm hoping someone makes an anti-glare screen protector for the TMoUS TP2 soon.
S

once they make it, and I'm sure they will, get a boxwave antiglare protector. I use them on all mydevices dating back to my original sony clie and swear by them. Problem solved.

The screen is not very good outdoors in sunlight or in shade. It is too hard to see. I am a BlackBerry user and can always see my Bold and 8900 in the car but I cannot safely even attempt to use the Touch Pro 2.

sleonard said:
I live in Arizona and when I walk outside the screen disappears! OTOH, so do the screens of all other devices as well.
I'm hoping someone makes an anti-glare screen protector for the TMoUS TP2 soon.
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Try here, they had some good reviews
http://cgi.ebay.com/5-ANTI-GLARE-LC...ries?hash=item518b4c35ff&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

sleonard said:
I live in Arizona and when I walk outside the screen disappears! OTOH, so do the screens of all other devices as well.
I'm hoping someone makes an anti-glare screen protector for the TMoUS TP2 soon.
S
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I can't understand why a company like HTC would release a brand new model of the Kaiser (now called Rhodium), and not fix the critical issues of its predecessor. The latest versions of the Blackberries work very well outdoors. I had a curve model 8900. It was not a touch sensitive screen, so I don't know if that could make the difference. Perhaps somebody with an iPhone or another touch screen device can tell us if they work well outdoors.

As a previous Kaiser Owner, and living in the sunny UK
The Screen of the TP2 is much better outdoors, the Kaiser was very bad for anything outdoors... GPS etc etc...

DOXBOX on Rhodium?
Hello, is there a doxbox that can work on the rhodium?
Would like to play Command & Conquer on this badboy.

Thanks for all the replies. It seems that most of you feel that there is definitely and improvement in the Rhodium screen characteristics which makes it useful when operating out in the open sky. That's definitely a plus point that is leaning me towards upgrading.
The other thing that I want to check before deciding whether this is a worthwhile upgrade for me is the video acceleration.
Could those of you who answered this thread go to the following one and tell us about your video acceleration.? As you provably know the Kaiser (ATT Tilt / TyTn II) has capable chips, but no drivers for proper acceleration and the video playback, games playback and others suffers as a result. I am wondering if the Rhodium comes with the right drivers to operate the video chips, and how the video performance compares to other devices out there. The Kaiser underperformed even really cheap phones, so hence my concern.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=558791

manuv1615 said:
I have a kaiser as well and tp2 is far better outdoor. The ambient light sensor and auto backlight adjustements really help...
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if you actually use the kaiser light to the highest! while outdoor, you should have a better view then say using the TP2. I was with my wife, and I gave her my tilt, until I get the tmobile agree to sign a new contract for mytouch 3g since I already have five lines...on a family plain. when I noticed her phone was bright I was like let me check mine, and I couldn't see....I think tilt is a cool phone even after two years....you know you better keep tilt if you don't need to upgrade...PS my TP2 was on auto light!

Iphone 2g is not very good in the sunlight, neither is the TP2 or the T-mobile google phones, either one. The BB 8900 is very usable in direct sunlight. Of the phones mentioned I'd have to say that the TP2 screen is the least legible in sunlight. That's the way it seems to go with cell phones, unfortunately they all have their own strengths and weaknesses.

loaferkan said:
if you actually use the kaiser light to the highest! while outdoor, you should have a better view then say using the TP2. I was with my wife, and I gave her my tilt, until I get the tmobile agree to sign a new contract for mytouch 3g since I already have five lines...on a family plain. when I noticed her phone was bright I was like let me check mine, and I couldn't see....I think tilt is a cool phone even after two years....you know you better keep tilt if you don't need to upgrade...PS my TP2 was on auto light!
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Quite surprised to read your statement recommending us to keep the Tilt instead of upgrading. I like it when somebody takes a bold stance like this one; but I would appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit more on your recommendation.

I live in Portugal and in the summer i have to go into shade to see my screen, but as another poster noted, I've never had any colour screen PDA or phone work. The only screen I know here that really works was a friends Motorola with what appeared to be an e-ink screen (black and white, looked like print).

solarboy said:
I live in Portugal and in the summer i have to go into shade to see my screen, but as another poster noted, I've never had any colour screen PDA or phone work. The only screen I know here that really works was a friends Motorola with what appeared to be an e-ink screen (black and white, looked like print).
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Is that your experience with the Rhodium or with the Kaiser?
I guess I have been spoiled! I had a Blackberry Curve 8900 and I could use it as a GPS outdoors without ANY problems what-so-ever with regards to seeing the screen even in bright daylight, without shade, etc.
The Blackberry Curve 8900 does not have a touch screen though. So perhaps the touch screen technology isn't 'sun and sky' compatible. Does anybody have experience using the new models of the iphone outdoors? I don't want an iphone, but I am curious to know if that touch screen technology suffers from the same problems as the Kaiser and Rhorium

I have a Kaiser and TP2 if much better. Go for it.

I purchased a Rhodium (Att Tilt 2) and I am very happy with it. The screen quality is a huge improvement. It reads well outside, reacts well, etc. My only complaint is that I miss the up/down/right/left/center 'joystick' like keys on the Kaiser.

[Q] Incredible questions asap

I need some help please. I might buy this tonight. Just have couple questions. Please forgive the rush or if answers are elsewhere.
1: how does the incredible screen compare to fascinate and droid x? It has 3.7" 800x480 and droid x and fascinate bigger but same res.
Can I get swype for the incredible and how?
Can I get a stylus for incredible local in Seattle WA or online? I prefer stylus with swype.
How is smoothness of os?
Do the button on bottom light up good and be better then fascinate? Fascinate only lights up after you touch. That's stupid. I need to see them in dark rooms.
How hard to have roms? Don't wanna brick. Might like to try roms.
How is browser text reflow and smoothness of it and zooming?
Was thinking of getting it now on 1 year contract then upgrade.
I tried the fascinate but took it back the next day. Hated how the button lights only lit up after you touch them and they wouldn't stay lit long.
Was hoping for bit better text quality like reading the web. I have iPod touch 2nd gen and screen sucks compared to new stuff.
Thanks

Well... the Incredible is a badass phone, and all the things you're looking for are some of the greatest features of the phone. There are a plethora of custom ROMs available, most of which are stable and currently supported. Incredible had the first from-source Gingerbread ROM, and now sports at least 3 stable Gingerbread ROMs... As for a stylus, you might find luck with a Capacitive Stylus from HTC, and you can install Swype, but there are many other excellent keyboard options available that I personally prefer over any sort of Swype technology. It has WiFi Tethering, very fast browser, and Flash video built in.
All that being said, if you already have a decent phone and aren't in a big hurry to get a new phone, you might want to wait until the HTC Thunderbolt is released, as it is the Incredible's big brother - and identical to the Evo in MOST features.

buggs1a said:
I need some help please. I might buy this tonight. Just have couple questions. Please forgive the rush or if answers are elsewhere.
1: how does the incredible screen compare to fascinate and droid x? It has 3.7" 800x480 and droid x and fascinate bigger but same res.
I love it. I think those screens are a little to big. The phone is compact and the screen is big enough
Can I get swype for the incredible and how?
Can I get a stylus for incredible local in Seattle WA or online? I prefer stylus with swype.
How is smoothness of os?
Has one of the fastest processors out there...smooth as it gets compared to other phones out now.
Do the button on bottom light up good and be better then fascinate? Fascinate only lights up after you touch. That's stupid. I need to see them in dark rooms.
Yes works perfectly
How hard to have roms? Don't wanna brick. Might like to try roms.
No it's easy
How is browser text reflow and smoothness of it and zooming?
As smooth as it gets on Android
Was thinking of getting it now on 1 year contract then upgrade.
I tried the fascinate but took it back the next day. Hated how the button lights only lit up after you touch them and they wouldn't stay lit long.
Was hoping for bit better text quality like reading the web. I have iPod touch 2nd gen and screen sucks compared to new stuff.
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Answers in red

Thanks guys.
How does the bottom 4 button lights work?
How is the screen quality for text? Reading the web and stuff. I'm just curious because it's important to me. The size is smaller then I prefer but it's not bad considering I can get it for cheap with the 1 year contract and my business discount.
The thunderbolt seems cool. Just upset that they kept the same dang resolution. To me that's pathetic and unacceptable. Ticks me off lol. I want 1024x768 or whatever on a 4" or bigger. Meaning wish list. iPhone screen is amazing and would love something like that. I would like it bright too.
Umm. How would a rom be put on it? Is it simple like just install and it does everything?
I am just nervous because of thunderbolt coming and it's screen etc. I'm thinking of cost and myself being so impatient. I have no phone now. Took fascinate back next day after I bought it and canceled my line. Only had it the one day.
Where are some pics of roms?
I thank you all very much.

Hi,
Some questions I can help with; others, not so much.
I converted to the Incredible from BlackBerry a couple of weeks ago, and one aspect of the learning curve has been getting accustomed to the text size. I notice it mostly on the browser. The screen zoom is a huge plus for me.
I've tried Swipe (beta), but without a stylus. It worked pretty darn good--and I liked its accuracy, as well. It just stopped working one day, though; don't know why.
Pictures of ROMs... The ROMs aren't hardware; they are firmware. Do you mean screenshots of the different ROMs? Those are available by doing a search, here or elsewhere.
Good luck with your purchase, and please post back here with your choice.
Cheers!
Sent from my HTC Incredible using XDA App

Screenshots yeah.
I had the Touch pro 2 and loved swype. I wrote more just to use it. Stylus makes it easier cus I could see the letters better.
How clear is the text and how do the lights work on the buttons? I'm curious of how good thunderbolt screen will be. Same res.

Lights on the buttons are based on room lighting. If the room is bright, the buttons are off. If room is dark, the buttons are lit whenever the screen is lit. The buttons are very bright. I actually wished they had a brightness setting so I could turn them down, that's how bright they are.
If you're getting a new phone, as long as it's not new old stock, I think it should have the SLCD screen which is very crisp and sharp. Most people prefer the AMOLED for some reason, but I prefer the SLCD by far. The AMOLED screen looks grainy, like it has a worse dot pitch than the SLCD. Ever heard of the term "screen door effect" to describe a video screen with too much gap between the pixels? That's how the AMOLED looks to me. The colors are very vibrant, but TOO vibrant, very over-saturated and fake looking. The SLCD, in comparison, is very crisp and smooth, text is much crisper and sharper. Colors look much more natural. You can tell the AMOLED from SLCD by going to Settings -> About Phone -> Hardware Information. Look for Hardware Version. 0002 = AMOLED, 0003 = SLCD.

Thanks so much.
I went today a few hrs ago and got the incredible. 14 day return window so I may exchange it for the thunderbolt. I got a clear screen protector and case. Not antiglare as that makes it look like I'm looking through a screen. So I prefer clear.
Got it for around $160 or so and a $50 mail in rebate on top of that bringing it to about $120-$140 total for the phone and 1 year contract.
Hardware says 0003.
Screen is Very nice. Crisp. Smooth ui. Nice lighting on the capacitive buttons. Don't like the htc keyboard though. Need swype. How do I do that? Box says it has 2gb sd card preinstalled. I thought it had 8gb storage?
Hmm. Once I get swype and if I like it I'll be able to get a stylus verizon sells for the iPad. Capacitive stylus is all it is. Awesome cus it's available in the store. I didn't get it cus I want to get swype on here first.

buggs1a said:
Thanks so much.
I went today a few hrs ago and got the incredible. 14 day return window so I may exchange it for the thunderbolt. I got a clear screen protector and case. Not antiglare as that makes it look like I'm looking through a screen. So I prefer clear.
Got it for around $160 or so and a $50 mail in rebate on top of that bringing it to about $120-$140 total for the phone and 1 year contract.
Hardware says 0003.
Screen is Very nice. Crisp. Smooth ui. Nice lighting on the capacitive buttons. Don't like the htc keyboard though. Need swype. How do I do that? Box says it has 2gb sd card preinstalled. I thought it had 8gb storage?
Hmm. Once I get swype and if I like it I'll be able to get a stylus verizon sells for the iPad. Capacitive stylus is all it is. Awesome cus it's available in the store. I didn't get it cus I want to get swype on here first.
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to get swype go here http://beta.swype.com/ and I think that it is still open but I'm not sure... then when you get the email dl the installer and install swype... remember to go to keyboards and select swype as an input method but I think the installer does it for you automatic...
the 003 is a SLCD which looks great but the amoled original has deeper contrast...
honestly the galaxy s screen is the best screen in verizons line up but the samsung ui isn't as polished as HTC sense... enjoy your incredible

It should also be mentioned that the Amoled screen also suffers from burn in. I have had mine less than 6 months and the notification bar clock and the buttons for Google Listen show plainly on any white screen .Even with insurance (best buy) there is a $150 deductible and the loaner is a pos flip phone.
Also keep metal filings, rust, fine steal wool and the like away from the rear speaker. Magnetic/ferrous stuff can get in there and will make it sound like it is blown.
One other thing, If you are going to get a case I have to recommend the 3 layer armor case from Seidio. Normally I swear by OtterBox but they pushed the Inc aside for the Iphone. The reviews for the armored OtterBox have mentioned a loose fit and such. I have no such issues with the Seidio. I went with the armored 3 layer one w/belt clip and have been very satisfied. I cried when I dropped my first Dinc without a case.
You also might want to think about a spare battery and a charger for it. Bright screens and 1ghz cpus eat 1300mAh batterys for brunch. At least that is when mine dies, I wake 5am so about 5-6 hours full use,streaming wifi audio out of speaker with gps going, and widgets all over the place. I got the 1750 that fits with the same stock back so I can still use standard cases.
All and all. I Love this phone.

Yikes! I had no idea AMOLED suffers burn-in. It makes complete sense though, it just never occurred to me before. I searched Google and found many people reported it.
Yes, the Incredible comes with a 2GB SD card, but it does have 8GB of storage too. So altogether you have 10GB.

Just don't leave the screen on for over a 8 hour period, otherwise you should be fine
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I like my droid incredible. Got it yesterday. Got stylus for using it with swype today. I can't even imagine how awesome it'd be with a much higher res.
I got the phone for $130 about for 1 year cost. After $50 rebate of course. Actually it cost me $169 with 1 year cost. Then $120 after the rebate. So this should be fine for a year and hopefully HTC will release a 4.3" screen with big resolution.
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Hmmmmmmmmm

Different panels!

Does HTC use panels from different manufacturers? Because I have two HOX right now, and I can see a BIG difference between the screens. One of them have much warmer colors and is at the same time brighter and have better viewing angels. Or can it really differ that much between screens with the same panel?
Anyway, will test if they have the same screen on time, and if they are made in different countries.
And finally here is some shots I took. The difference shows more IRL then the pics but atleast you can see there IS a difference.
Edit: I have now checked last_kmsg on both phones, and there are indeed two different panels! The warmer one have panel_id=0x294000f while the colder one have the same as some in this thread, panel_id=0x4940014...

kruppin said:
Does HTC use panels from different manufacturers? Because I have two HOX right now, and I can see a BIG difference between the screens. One of them have much warmer colors and is at the same time brighter and have better viewing angels. Or can it really differ that much between screens with the same panel?
Anyway, will test if they have the same screen on time, and if they are made in different countries.
And finally here is some shots I took. The difference shows more IRL then the pics but atleast you can see there IS a difference.
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drying glue perhaps?

Can you tell us the serial numbers on each one? It should be ht23 or ht24
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It always happens with devices from HTC. There is a thread in Sensation forum for the same. There were two types of screens used for sensation(mainly) One from Acer and another sharp if i remember correctly. The Sharp made had yellow tint and less vivid. While Acer LCD had vivid but more of them had ghosting problems. You can check the Panel type in devices using same method i beleive.
Check here for details,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1131592

winwiz said:
drying glue perhaps?
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Nah, don't think so cuz the one with warmer screen was the test phone at the store and they have both been used ALOT since coming home. Have had them more than a week now.
jlegrange said:
Can you tell us the serial numbers on each one? It should be ht23 or ht24
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They are both made in Taiwan and both serials starts with HT23W103...

skr_xd said:
It always happens with devices from HTC. There is a thread in Sensation forum for the same. There were two types of screens used for sensation(mainly) One from Acer and another sharp if i remember correctly. The Sharp made had yellow tint and less vivid. While Acer LCD had vivid but more of them had ghosting problems. You can check the Panel type in devices using same method i beleive.
Check here for details,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1131592
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How annoying, I hate products where it is a lottery if you get a good or bad panel.. And unfortunately there isn't anything about panel_id in dmesg on the One X. Anyone know another way to check, aside from taking it apart?

I have also seen that difference in display color, now I have my 2nd ONE X

same thing for me, first device was white with vivid color, 2nd is yellow with worse colors.

Also the serial number from my ONE X Grey starts with H23 and is made in Taiwan

Bugger! How is one supposed to know if they have an inferior display if you don't have another model to compare it with?
Just out of interest have you had any of the display issues that have been posted in the numerous threads on either display?

BTW, i was/am using Screen Adjuster to adjust the screen tone to my tastes. Its not a solution, however better than none. I didn't test it with my HOX yet. Should work.

Any of these has flex or flickering?

kruppin said:
Does HTC use panels from different manufacturers? Because I have two HOX right now, and I can see a BIG difference between the screens. One of them have much warmer colors and is at the same time brighter and have better viewing angels. Or can it really differ that much between screens with the same panel?
Anyway, will test if they have the same screen on time, and if they are made in different countries.
And finally here is some shots I took. The difference shows more IRL then the pics but atleast you can see there IS a difference.
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The colder one doesn't look as close to the surface as the warmer one...maybe it's not laminated properly?

vegetaleb said:
Any of these has flex or flickering?
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Yeah, the warmer one have had it ONE singel time, but it felt like a software glitch, with it "moving" the whole screen, so to speak. And both ofc have that problem with the notification bar, but that I know is software. Other than that I haven't seen any problems, yet.
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The colder one doesn't look as close to the surface as the warmer one...maybe it's not laminated properly?
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Could be, but IRL I can't really see any difference in proximity to the surface. And would that really make the viewing angels worse? Because the cold one get noticeable darker from the sides while with the warm one you barely notice any difference.

I got a gray one on Friday and a white one today thinking I'd prefer white. The display on the gray one is startlingly perfect. I mean like “OMG, look at that display” perfect. The white one's not as bright and is a lot warmer and looks dull in comparison. They’re both fine and neither flicker or have any of the other discussed screen issues. Oh well, the gods obviously want me to have a gray phone.

It's hilarious how there is a thread like this for EVERY single new phone released.
Just enjoy the damn phone and stop worrying about if you have the "inferior" screen. It's sad really.

my wife's and mine are diff too. mine is little more yellowish but when you did not put side by side you wont notice it.
btw the minor screen flicker is kernel issue with tegrak 3...TF prime had this issue much worst off + multitask screen tearing than one x, currently itz just being solved with latest firmware's kernel.

johnl199 said:
It's hilarious how there is a thread like this for EVERY single new phone released.
Just enjoy the damn phone and stop worrying about if you have the "inferior" screen. It's sad really.
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Do you go from forum to forum creating posts like this in response? If so, it's sad really.
These aren't cheap devices and of all the parts of the phone the display is probably the most important because you'll be staring at it for a year or more. I don't blame people for wanting the best example of the display they can have or *****ing because there's such a broad disparity between them from device to device. If manufacturer's QC and tolerances were better threads like this wouldn't need to exist.

OMG my white one look yellow like that pic
singtel one

I noticed another thing with the colder one, there are some weird vertical lines in the screen. They are only visible in certain lighting conditions, like if you reflect it at your computer screen. Haven't seen that on any other phone. Haven't had the chans to check the warm one yet. I'll report back then.

Screen much dimmer than AT&T version?

I have the One from AT&T and picked up the One from Verizon today. I am at 50% (give or take) battery life on both, but the Verizon screen is not nearly as bright. I, of course, have auto brightness turned off and it is set to max. I did notice there is no power saver option on the VZ version. Anyone else seeing this? White backgrounds look washed out compared to the other version.

I had an AT&T One for work for a little while and I don't notice a difference from then to now.
Sent from my HTC One.

mjs31 said:
I have the One from AT&T and picked up the One from Verizon today. I am at 50% (give or take) battery life on both, but the Verizon screen is not nearly as bright. I, of course, have auto brightness turned off and it is set to max. I did notice there is no power saver option on the VZ version. Anyone else seeing this? White backgrounds look washed out compared to the other version.
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I too have a Sprint HTC One and Verizon. I just noticed this as well. I started to look around forums and see that because either Vzn or HTC decided to bake in the power saver feature into the core ROM we do not have the manual option.
My guess is that the display is either set to perma dim or it has something to.do with not being fully charged? Either way it's kinda annoying when looking at both.

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I too have a Sprint HTC One and Verizon. I just noticed this as well. I started to look around forums and see that because either Vzn or HTC decided to bake in the power saver feature into the core ROM we do not have the manual option.
My guess is that the display is either set to perma dim or it has something to.do with not being fully charged? Either way it's kinda annoying when looking at both.
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I agree. Looking at both side by side is annoying.

Thing you have to realize is all phone are going to be different to a point the varient doesn't matter
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VZW quality not as good as others?
I've got a T-Mobile HTC One and I really, really like it. The only problem is T-Mobile's coverage in my area is less than acceptable. So I went and got a Verizon One the day it was released. I noticed rather quickly that the fit and trim did not fit together nearly as well as the T-Mobile One. I took it back to compare with others and it seemed the store I went to had a bad batch, they all had that issue, so I returned it.
I just bought another One via Swappa and I'm glad to say this one has the quality feel that I like so much about the T-Mobile One but the screen is noticeably dimmer and it seems to have narrower viewing angle too. So far this makes strike 2. The Verizon phone just doesn't seem to be up to the same standard as the T-Mobile (and earlier released?) versions. I don't know if this is a VZW problem or the result of cost cutting measures at HTC due to their current financial problems. Either way, it's very disappointing.
If only T-Mobile had decent service in my area...

could be Verizon wanting to "save battery life"

gsyoungblood said:
I've got a T-Mobile HTC One and I really, really like it. The only problem is T-Mobile's coverage in my area is less than acceptable. So I went and got a Verizon One the day it was released. I noticed rather quickly that the fit and trim did not fit together nearly as well as the T-Mobile One. I took it back to compare with others and it seemed the store I went to had a bad batch, they all had that issue, so I returned it.
I just bought another One via Swappa and I'm glad to say this one has the quality feel that I like so much about the T-Mobile One but the screen is noticeably dimmer and it seems to have narrower viewing angle too. So far this makes strike 2. The Verizon phone just doesn't seem to be up to the same standard as the T-Mobile (and earlier released?) versions. I don't know if this is a VZW problem or the result of cost cutting measures at HTC due to their current financial problems. Either way, it's very disappointing.
If only T-Mobile had decent service in my area...
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I actually see no physical difference between my AT&T version and the Verizon version. Only the screen being slightly dimmer. That being said, the verizon phone appears to render colors more accurately then the AT&T. My Verizon speakers are also louder and the sensor that controls the lighting of the soft keys is much improved. AT&T version required the room to be way to dark before they would come on. This one is much better. At first the dimmer screen bothered me a bit, but now not at all since the colors are more accurate.

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I actually see no physical difference between my AT&T version and the Verizon version. Only the screen being slightly dimmer. That being said, the verizon phone appears to render colors more accurately then the AT&T. My Verizon speakers are also louder and the sensor that controls the lighting of the soft keys is much improved. AT&T version required the room to be way to dark before they would come on. This one is much better. At first the dimmer screen bothered me a bit, but now not at all since the colors are more accurate.
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Honestly, it does save battery life as well.
With root..
I can always change the screen dim values to the same as AT&T by diffin out the framework files and using theirs, had one wanted anyway.

I currently have a developer edition HTC One with 4.2.2 and a Sprint HTC One 4.1.2, plus this past Sunday picked up a blue Verizon HTC One from Best Buy and noticed it is dimmer, and has a different tint to it (it looks a bit warmer than the other carrier devices). I even took it into a couple carrier stores to compare it directly to see if my other devices were different or if it was my particular Verizon One. Well, the other carriers ones looked better and the other Verizon Ones looked the same.
Not only was the screen dimmer and had worse colors, but the glass at the top of the screen on my Verizon One was popped out a bit more past the aluminum bezel and the bottom was flush with it. The other two I have are equal feeling on top and bottom. I pushed on the top glass/digitizer of the screen and it went in even with the bezel, later I checked and it had popped out further again.
Then I took it back to Best Buy and asked if I could look at one or two of their One's (looked at a Blue and a Silver), and they both had the same screen brightness and color issue, and one of them had a similar screen/bezel issue.
So while it may not have bothered, or even been noticeable to the average use, myself with two other carrier Ones and somewhat picky if a device is at all feeling off...simply returned it and hope it gets fixed. Too bad too, as I really liked the blue and Verizon is my carrier of choice.

No issues with mine. I only use max brightness when outside in direct sunlight. Otherwise I'm at 33% and see everything crystal clear.

FWIW my htc one is WAY more dim than my INC4, like while rebooting, the white htc logo is almost blinding me on inc4, and much nicer dim on htc one.

andybones said:
FWIW my htc one is WAY more dim than my INC4, like while rebooting, the white htc logo is almost blinding me on inc4, and much nicer dim on htc one.
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Yeah, I really am ok with the dimmer screen now. I was looking at my wife's AT&T HTC One just now since I got her a Verizon version and am transferring crap. Many of the blue (something like Handcents borders) are just washed out. The VZ version is just right. This may be a version of the power saving option that HTC built in (Controllable on the ATT version but not this one), but not completely. When I turn the ATT power save on it significantly reduces the screen brightness. Much much more than the dimness of this screen. I really wonder if this screen is just calibrated a bit better since color rendition is so much more accurate when compared to the ATT model at any brightness.
Either way, battery life is hours better on this version.

mjs31 said:
Yeah, I really am ok with the dimmer screen now. I was looking at my wife's AT&T HTC One just now since I got her a Verizon version and am transferring crap. Many of the blue (something like Handcents borders) are just washed out. The VZ version is just right. This may be a version of the power saving option that HTC built in (Controllable on the ATT version but not this one), but not completely. When I turn the ATT power save on it significantly reduces the screen brightness. Much much more than the dimness of this screen. I really wonder if this screen is just calibrated a bit better since color rendition is so much more accurate when compared to the ATT model at any brightness.
Either way, battery life is hours better on this version.
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I do believe Verizon does what they can for "features" to save battery life. Personally I like it DIM, easrly in the morning turning the phone on from fastboot or off, that white animations is soo bright, it's not too bad on the HTC One.

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I do believe Verizon does what they can for "features" to save battery life. Personally I like it DIM, easrly in the morning turning the phone on from fastboot or off, that white animations is soo bright, it's not too bad on the HTC One.
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Yeah, I saw that with my S3 as well. Still, the Verizon version does do better with colors. Who knows...

Simple Solution
The HTC One has a very oddly Placed Ambient Light Sensor, so when you go into Landscape Mode, your Hand comes over it.
Thus, the Screen Dims Down.
Solution:
Either Remove your hand or Disable it Permanently

Tmobile Lg G3 - Screen Issues

I got my G3 today at T-Mobile at 10am. I noticed two things. Once the text in Google Apps, and on websites, where there is a light grey backgroud behind the text it makes the text look more like pre HD days and very over sharpened... Also the screen has a ton of faint 'grayish' lines going through it (it almost makes the entire screen look grainy...) which I usually only notice on white screens or areas with light colors...... I am wondering if anyone else is seeing this at all? So far I'm unimpressed with this screen and I kind of regret trading in my G3. I'm thinking about running back to T-Mobile and see if their display model shows the same things but I wanted to see if anyone else noticed any of those issues above?

Do some searching around for "over sharpening". This has been discussed, it does suck, and it is not strictly with the T-Mobile variant of the G3.

I don't have any of these issues at all.. Screen is crisp and bright and I can't see the digitizer at all.. Love this phone! White version here.

I think the color is pale comparing with other phones.

I'm curious if changing the dpi will help with the over sharpening.
NexusOne

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Do some searching around for "over sharpening". This has been discussed, it does suck, and it is not strictly with the T-Mobile variant of the G3.
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Like he said, it's the over-sharpening algorithm they have applied to the display. You'll either get used to it or you won't or.. Some update will make it optional. It hurts more than it helps, but that's what LG chose to go with, so..
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Do some searching around for "over sharpening". This has been discussed, it does suck, and it is not strictly with the T-Mobile variant of the G3.
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I notice the over sharpened text but its not as bad as some guys on here make it seem. I can most definitely live with it.

mingkee said:
I think the color is pale comparing with other phones.
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go to settings>accessibility>color adjustment>on> and move the circle to ur liking

Skatturbrain said:
I got my G3 today at T-Mobile at 10am. I noticed two things. Once the text in Google Apps, and on websites, where there is a light grey backgroud behind the text it makes the text look more like pre HD days and very over sharpened... Also the screen has a ton of faint 'grayish' lines going through it (it almost makes the entire screen look grainy...) which I usually only notice on white screens or areas with light colors...... I am wondering if anyone else is seeing this at all? So far I'm unimpressed with this screen and I kind of regret trading in my G3. I'm thinking about running back to T-Mobile and see if their display model shows the same things but I wanted to see if anyone else noticed any of those issues above?
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Don't worry, mine is the same way also..
First thing I noticed right away when I received the phone, almost looks like pentile matrix amoled which I despise.
The thing I enjoy most about IPS LCD especially high resolution ones are the smooth soothing crisp look of text. What LG has done with this oversharpening crap is a travesty, whoever gave the green light to this should be fired. Text on white looks okay, but add in any light background and it becomes a mess, like a low resolution jagged mess.

Dan37tz said:
Don't worry, mine is the same way also..
First thing I noticed right away when I received the phone, almost looks like pentile matrix amoled which I despise.
The thing I enjoy most about IPS LCD especially high resolution ones are the smooth soothing crisp look of text. What LG has done with this oversharpening crap is a travesty, whoever gave the green light to this should be fired. Text on white looks okay, but add in any light background and it becomes a mess, like a low resolution jagged mess.
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Mine isnt having that issue...

hello00 said:
go to settings>accessibility>color adjustment>on> and move the circle to ur liking
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I think the best is in between first and second row and middle column.

mingkee said:
I think the best is in between first and second row and middle column.
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Screen shot?

I'm know now that the text over-sharpening is the problem with the text on grey and light colored backgrounds and that it's happening with everyone. But the only thing that really bothers me is that I can see all of the little lines of the digitizer of the screen on white background and some light blues. Its very subtle but now that I noticed it I cannot unsee it. The two T-Mobile displays both do it at the store so I guess I'm stuck with it... It's kind of lame because it makes some things look grainy and ugly...

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Since I tried it at Corp Store, I will take a pic to show.
Generally you have to move the circle in between 1st and 2nd center icons and you should get a bit better color (I tested it with my Note 3 and Note 8).
In addition, I realize the "over sharpening" text issue when the font is wrapped by "shadow". When it shows in webpage, email...etc, the text looks OK. It's like Note 2 when playing video in small window.

I just exchanged it, and then adjusted the color to your suggestion. I also set the animation speed to x.5 and its blazing fast. Screen is much better so its all good. Battery life is better on this one too

That Accessibility setting is meant for colorblind and/or nearly blind people to adjust their screen so that they can actually see it... probably a law that requires it. It is *not* a screen calibration tool and not a solution for fixing an off-color or bad screen.

I have examined some different models in different corp stores (DeKalb Ave, Fulton Street, Madison Ave/42nd, Broadway near City Hall, Court Street, 86th Street near Bay Parkway) and found that:
I compare my Note 3 and used Chrome to open Google.com (desktop view).
The screen looks reddish has more "overly shading" fonts on standby problem, but
The screen looks cooler (blueish tint) looks brighter and "normal".
In addition, the model has "cooler" screen runs cool.

Skatturbrain said:
I got my G3 today at T-Mobile at 10am. I noticed two things. Once the text in Google Apps, and on websites, where there is a light grey backgroud behind the text it makes the text look more like pre HD days and very over sharpened... Also the screen has a ton of faint 'grayish' lines going through it (it almost makes the entire screen look grainy...) which I usually only notice on white screens or areas with light colors...... I am wondering if anyone else is seeing this at all? So far I'm unimpressed with this screen and I kind of regret trading in my G3. I'm thinking about running back to T-Mobile and see if their display model shows the same things but I wanted to see if anyone else noticed any of those issues above?
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I'm on Verizon and I have the same exact issue with my screen. With the default wallpaper you can see the faint 'grayish' vertical lines, and the over-sharpening can be seen on the Since some people are saying they don't have any issues, I'm wondering if it's a device specific issue and should exchange for another one...
This is literally the only thing I don't like with this phone.