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dash seems to be laggy

Hi
My dash seems to be really laggy lately.
Is it due to the build up of txt msgs?
I'm on 6.1 and the phone seems to be a lot slower than it was when i first got it. Any tips on how to speed things up or do i need to delete all txt msgs??

any tips please?

I forget where in the default tmo Rom is task manager, but you could always kill text messaging after you're done using it.
I updated my dash to ricky's rom maybe the 2nd day after i bought it, its got omap overclocking and i've sped up my dash that way.
Perhaps you need to see what programs that you have are running all the time (with task manager) and see if disabling/uninstalling apps would help.

im running kavana 6.1 and its just recently been really laggy.
I clear my tasks and still lags. I starting to think its my txt msg logs since i txt anywhere from 2000-8000 a month and never delete any of them.
Is that the case?

Yeah, dude!!
Holy, shizah!!!
That many. Not to sound like an ass, but hell yeah, that's the prob. you need to run a script that either copies these to a text file somewhere routinely, or just straight up delete these.
Let me give everyone a word to the wise. For a fact, the more messages that are unread on your phone, the worse off the battery life will be. When you have unread voicemails, text messages, email messages, you are destroying your memory and your phones battery.
If you wanna seee a noticeable difference in both memory and battery life, read and delete all old messages of any variety. This goes for non smartphones and smartphones. This is a general rule of thumb. If anyone feels the need to wax intellectual, please, kill that idea. It's a moot point. I know this to be the case, and you can argue all day. Facts are facts.
Hope this helps, man. If you need me to write you an app that eats your text messages routinely or copies them to storage or whatever, just pm me. We can figure out a solution that suits you best!! Later.
hawee said:
im running kavana 6.1 and its just recently been really laggy.
I clear my tasks and still lags. I starting to think its my txt msg logs since i txt anywhere from 2000-8000 a month and never delete any of them.
Is that the case?
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Here's another idea
outerdepth said:
Holy, shizah!!!
That many. Not to sound like an ass, but hell yeah, that's the prob. you need to run a script that either copies these to a text file somewhere routinely, or just straight up delete these.
Let me give everyone a word to the wise. For a fact, the more messages that are unread on your phone, the worse off the battery life will be. When you have unread voicemails, text messages, email messages, you are destroying your memory and your phones battery.
If you wanna seee a noticeable difference in both memory and battery life, read and delete all old messages of any variety. This goes for non smartphones and smartphones. This is a general rule of thumb. If anyone feels the need to wax intellectual, please, kill that idea. It's a moot point. I know this to be the case, and you can argue all day. Facts are facts.
Hope this helps, man. If you need me to write you an app that eats your text messages routinely or copies them to storage or whatever, just pm me. We can figure out a solution that suits you best!! Later.
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Maybe you could try Jeyo Mobile Extender for Outlook. It syncronizes all your sms to your pc, so you can delete them from your phone and still don't lose them. Also you can send sms from outlook, so it's a little faster.
Hope it helped
Cheers

Use Chome Configurator to remove any home screen shortcuts you don't need.
That's all I've done so far, and it made it REALLY fast. No oc'ing needed.

One often over looked issue is the Notification Que, if you dont clean it out your device will slow down. I once deleted over 500kb of old entries after a month of use. Now I delete it weekly

what do u mean by the notification que. how do i go about in doing that?

fliparsenal said:
what do u mean by the notification que. how do i go about in doing that?
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The simple way is to use SKtools, it does pretty much everything you need as far as device hidden settings and cleaning management.

Is there any way to delete the text messages on the phone from a pc? I've been trying to delete these messages for the longest. It takes about 15 minutes for each contact's messages. I tried to delete it using menu>tools>empty deleted items but when I rebooted my phone after about 500 messages getting deleted they reappeared right back in the inbox. Im now goin to the deleted items folder and deleting all from there instead. I hope it works, but it is still slow.
outerdepth, can I pm you for that script you wrote to delete messages? I really need it.

Slugishness and inconveniences with Manilla 3D

The title is a bit of a provocation to attract people to the thread
To start with: animation, menus, etc... are quite fluid (Though less than on my M2D custom Rom on my Hermes, but that's not my point here, secreen def is much higher and it's 3D...)
My problem (that mya have I fix, at least I hope so) is quite specific:
In some menus accessing to data is VERY slow and I dont understand why
1. When accessing to a contact (So clicking from the lists of contats) it takes several seconds to have the contact details appear. This is VERY annoying. Does it come from my numer of contacts (900), I dont think so... It looks a bit like something is being downloaded, or some extra info put in memory... difficult to tell but anywya I would like to kow if you have the same problem
2. When accessing SMS from Manilla 3d... it takes ages to open the first SMS in the pile or to open "All messages". It's quite weird: if I swap through the task manager to the SMS application... it switches in an instant. If I have the SMS application already open and try to access it through the manila 3D...
(I have quite a lot of SMS, but less than emails, or which it is less slow)
I noticed some similar slowlyness in some otehr parts but just cant remeber where
Otherwise to bith about about Manilla 3D (that I do still really like... at least froma "look" point of view): too many important menus are missing compared to WM6.1 original menus. Like choose which folder you can activesync within your email folders, or save a phone number from a newly received SMS into an existing contact (Can only sve in a new one...). Etc, etc...
Anyway to chose which original WM6.1 menus are prompted / not prompted ?

To address your pts...
1. I think the lag has to do with the new "People-centric" contact card. It take a little time to gather all emails, calls, and messages with a particular person. You probably won't experience this lag if you use the default Windows Mobile contact app.
2. What I mentioned in 1 applies here too. So, I never click the messages directly in TF3D because this actually opens the contact card. I keep the messaging app opened at all times. Just click All Messages to quickly see the threaded conversation if you have to. If you use "Reply" from TF3D, the composing window will also open faster (if you have the messaging app opened already)

1. Agreed that's what I suspect... But I dont have the proof. Yes the default Windows Mobile App is much faster
There must be a workaround like starting to open what is immediately available for the contact while loading the rest in the bakground
Unfortunately this may be a litle too deep and needs a different code --> not fixable with some regedit
Hopefully we are wrong. The "people-centric" thing is on of the reason why I like the TP2 (Definitely not the only one) and if this means waiting 3 to 4 seconds to open a contact, HTC just ****ed up on it (It's not acceptable when you need to open several contacts)
2. Yes I use already only "All message" since clicking on the message takes ages to open
BUT even "All messages" is still very slow compared to open the messaging app (I do always keep the messaging app open)
All in all it's nice to offer good looking features, but if the price is such a sluggishness I think there is nothing to be proud of
Luckily HTC will improve this with time (But still, it's really annoying)

Alcibiade said:
... waiting 3 to 4 seconds to open a contact...
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Haha, you must be exaggerating. Just to keep things sane around here, the time lag is about 1 second to open the unified communications contact card. This is compared to the approximately 0.5 seconds to open the contact details in the default WinMo contact app. If you try to open the SMS or Email section of the contact card, it does take about 2-3 seconds...
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BUT even "All messages" is still very slow compared to open the messaging app (I do always keep the messaging app open)
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Not sure what you mean on this part. Doesn't clicking "All messages" in TF3D open the default messaging app?

Then I must have a problem with my device (or my ocntacts (I have nearly 1,000). I just tried one contact right now from the list of all contacts: 12 seconds (Yeah befoire I was just giving an estimate...). I tried anoterh one , 17 seconds... (Piture or no picture doesnt change anything)
These figures is rom opening a contact from the list of all contacts in TF3D
I guess you understand how annoyd I am... And cliking on "Back" to come back from the list of contacts to the main menu (WHer you see "Add favorites") takes 5 seconds
I really hope to find a solution...
For the last part, sorry my mistake it's when I click on the messages tab that it takes around 4 seconds to have the messages menu and I na click on the bottom left menu "All messages" (Then after it's quick)
I have a serious problem with my TF3D...
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Haha, you must be exaggerating. Just to keep things sane around here, the time lag is about 1 second to open the unified communications contact card. This is compared to the approximately 0.5 seconds to open the contact details in the default WinMo contact app. If you try to open the SMS or Email section of the contact card, it does take about 2-3 seconds...
Not sure what you mean on this part. Doesn't clicking "All messages" in TF3D open the default messaging app?
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The very interesting thing is if I open the same contact by clicking at its name from let's say an email, it's nearly instantaneous (like half a second)
What's wrong with my phone ?? Anybody with the same issue ?

your insane amount of contacts are prolly slowing everything down.

a 1000 contacs is normal, i have more than 1500 on my TP2
its true that TF3D sometimes slow, i mean, those things sometimes happen also to me, but not always, only sometimes, maybe when the TP2 processess a lot or memory almost done for

1000 contacts is alot but this is a business device so that really shouldnt be a problem imho.
Though I doubt WM uses any kind of clever database method for storing them, not like SQL Server mobile is installed on the phone with Intel QuadCore, so I think some slowdown is to be expected mate tbh

Yes it's a professional device 1,000 contacts should not be an issue (Actually it's mostly friends, but let's say that for a geek I enjoy quite a crazy social life)
Anyway it was handled properly on my Hermes with Manilla 2D. I am very disapointed it is not the case with the TP2
Again the very strange thing is if I open the contact by clicking on name in my emails title, I get the contact file to open nearly immediately. If it's from the list of contacts... 10 seconds at least. This doenst make sense

and I hate the fact that you have to "slide" to accept/reject the call. I mean come on, it's cool and all that but it's not user friendly!
So many times my calls got missed because a friend didn't understand how to accept the call for me (it was too late whenever they read that "Slide to Answer/Ignore" text)

michaelra said:
and I hate the fact that you have to "slide" to accept/reject the call. I mean come on, it's cool and all that but it's not user friendly!
So many times my calls got missed because a friend didn't understand how to accept the call for me (it was too late whenever they read that "Slide to Answer/Ignore" text)
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Ha! you don't necessary have to slide to "Answer the call". You can always just press the hardware Answer button (left answer call key) to answer it. That will solved your problem

Anybody on my open contact issue ?

Text Messages loads SO SLOW on Tilt 2.

I used PIM backup to load all my texts from my previous phone (about 13,000 total)
Whenever I slide to the Messages tab it literally takes 10 seconds just to load the 25 messages in TF3D. If I click view all it glitches out and takes almost a minute to load the entire all messages screen.
What the hell? Isn't this device supposed to be FASTER than my original AT&T Tilt?! It had no problem loading messages like this.
My device is nearly unusable as a messaging device. Any suggestions?
Very dissapointed.

redsrule2500 said:
I used PIM backup to load all my texts from my previous phone (about 13,000 total)
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Not to sound sarcastic in any way, but maybe if you didn't have 13,000 text messages it may run a bit faster.
Was it running that slow prior to the transfer?

agreed, what purpose could you possibly have for keeping that many text messages around?! thats most likely your issue

Even so - my Tilt original was able to handle it is the point.
I keep all my texts I've ever sent - does anyone have a better method of backing up all messages online or something rather than keeping them all on the phone?
Ugh...

Now I keep getting filesys.exe errors.
**** this.

There is no way of viewing all messages? I can only delete about 200 at a time now. I hate this phone.

It MIGHT have something to do with the version and build of windows mobile...
I've had a handful of backup problems when flashing to different ROM, even when I just wanted to restore sms and/or calendar.
I decided to forget about sms, since I rarely found myself needing somehting from even a month ago. Calendar is now part of exchange, so no worries there.

Try Jeyo Mobile Extender to backup your SMS to Outlook. It just doesn't do MMS so make sure to move those to a different folder.

try pocket sms.... with this, you can easyly export your sms to an excel file.
13.000 is way to much on your phone

Caspertje19 said:
try pocket sms.... with this, you can easyly export your sms to an excel file.
13.000 is way to much on your phone
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Ah, this looked perfect....but I can't get it to work!
Just sits on Syncing Inbox....ugh

SMS/MMS Texting lag

I don't know either its my phone that lags or the rom, but recently after installing Energy rom, going into sms mode to send a text to someone takes at least 10 seconds. Is there a fix for this? Or is it my phone's problem

I've read that it's got something to do with WinMo 6.5. I don't have in depth knowledge of the topic myself. All I can tell you from my personal experience is that I've seen the same lag ever since I got off of the stock Sprint 6.1 ROM. (Been using variations of MightyRom ever since). It aggravates the hell out of me.
I bought this phone because, at the time, it was the best Windows Mobile phone on the market. If this was the best, I'd hate to see the worst. It doesn't even do simple BS like SMS as well as my old throw-away LG dumbphone did. Don't even get me started on the lagginess, freeze-ups and other pains of the 'advanced' functions...

Yeah with my TP2 whenever I open a text convo, do my thing, then exit.. it takes atleast 10-15 seconds to un-freeze into the All Messages window.. tried clearing the ram, but still nothing..

This is horrible! I recently started having this problem, if you have a really long text message conversation, the phone becomes completely un******* usable. I threw mine out the window of my truck today I was so aggravated. Mine has gotten to the point that you have to pull the battery out, or wait 5-10 minutes after you close out the text messaging thread. I'm getting an Evo - I really want to stay on TP2 but if I cant even text message, this phone/winmo 6.5 is totally junk. I'm hoping someone has a fix or tweak for this.

The only solution is to purge your messages, Arcsoft likes to load up all the messages before allowing you to do anything, sucking up alot of RAM and CPU, so less messages = less work, you could also try the classic text messaging (non threaded), the new overclock app kinda helps with this stuff. And the HTC messaging client as a last resort. the structure of the app is different and it doesnt take quite as long to load the messages, and it unloads itself much quicker than arcsoft in my experience.

I try to not to keep any SMS older than 2 weeks. I'm not one of these SMS crack-junkies that likes to keep 20k messages on their phone. I only regularly text maybe 4-5 people, so I never have more than a couple hundred messages on my phone at any given time.
I'd actually delete them sooner, but there's no decent app to purge based on message age. SMSPurger is a slow, buggy piece of junk, and nobody else seems to have written an alternative.
That brings me back to my old LG phone. It had a function where it would auto delete the oldest message once the combined sent/received list hit 300(?) messages. New message comes in, oldest one gets deleted. Why is it my WinMo superphone can't do something this simple?

If the issue is that you want an auto delete program, then the reasoning is that No one like to develop for WinMo, and the SMS has kind of always been an issue on the Professional Version, I had no problems with the SMS on my first WinMo device, the Moto Q9h (kinda miss it). I have had SMS issues on all 4 of my PPCs LG CT810 (incite) hTC Raphael (Touch Pro), Rhodium 210 (Touch Pro 2) and Rhodium 300 (Tilt 2). Best solution I have had, purchase Sms-chat if you really like your texting, It was lag free, and worked 100%, the only thing that I didnt like was the cheesy iPhone rip off. The main reason I still get WinMo is because I HATE apple. - but anyway, your issue is suffered by many, and it might take a while to solve.

hi
Just install the fix from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=664915
I did it and it solved problems with sms in manila 2.5- no need to purge or delete long conversations.

Mango messaging... the downside

The mango messaging system seems nice and all, but I really wonder why they did not keep it seperated.
I had my doubts and than I read this article http://wmpoweruser.com/mango-and-messaging-we-have-a-problem/ which sums up some more issues.
Basically my biggest problem is that we send more important stuff trough SMS it has a much higher value than an IM. So whenever somebody smsses an adress, i will need to scroll trough 100s of IMs which I can not clear since the address is still there in one of those messages.
Second: the media are different, you can not expect the other user to switch to FB chat to MSN than to sms because I want to change service, this still incorporate 3 different media for the majority of the users namely a WL desktop client, facebook webpage and a phone for regular texting (which also costs money so people will use it differently)
Third, we used msn when we were 12, now nobody uses it in my country but I would like to use FB chat... This is not possible, you can only switch off FB chat or switch off both. So the whole feature will be useless if I dont want to use msn/windows live messenger.
Notifications: what if smsses are inportant but IMs not, hopefully I will be able to receive a toast ONLY with sms messages and just let the IMs slide. Imagine receiving 100 messages every 10 minutes it will drive you nuts. And here comes the next problem when there is an important sms inbetween you dont know who send it, because if you open up messages they all look the same so you dont know who texted you (important) or has send you and im (which has less priority).
I wish they can make a new tab for the im conversations or atleast filter the thread down on ALL / SMS / IM. As it is now, it will be nice for kids but if you are 16+ it will become a major pain to find what is important and what is just spam.
The system right now is shortsighted and of poor value. an implementation like blackberry's is better. SMS is a different system, mail is a different system, IM is as well, you all respond differently on each one of them. It should be possible to mannage each seperately. Now ill have to be always offline and rely on third party just to im trough FB which kills the use of this native feature, but SMS messages are just to important to blend with the IMs.

This is all speculation to be fair, they have beta testers so if there are issues with notifications they will probably be aware of these. I'm happy to use a separate messaging client and keep my messaging hub for sms only as long as WLM is allowed again in IM+ and others. That would just make things easy.
On a side note people should stop complaining that nobody uses WLM, enough with that, it's the most used IM client in the world!
I'm not 12 andstill this is my number one choice for IM as I barely use my facebook account and it has integrated facebook chat anyway.

fair (and while I wrote the article)
one major issue with being in a beta of anything is that it takes time for testing and that's huge. I mean looking at Adam Lein and others, the sms interface was a bit bare and naked - save from the actual threaded view.
In nodo, we have seen the issue of some lag in the SMS window (not nearly as bad as windows mobile, but still very noticeable) and there needs to be some richer options for recall, optimization and trash collection.
I love the idea for having a central messaging hub that integrates the services I use most (microsoft specifically). I still use MSN and it's my favorite messaging tool (I used yahoo early in college, and AIM in high school) so I use MSN a lot.
The notification I don't feel is a huge issue (as Eldar contends). There are far more bigger problems with the SMS view from a variety of different contexts. All in all, there may be a big problem. I doubt it will be solved till Apollo but that is definitely a worse case scenario.
I mean yes, the sms lag is better in nodo, but not by much

One thing to note, if you dont want to use WLM or Facebook chat just change the method of communication to SMS. There is absolutely nothing forcing you to send IM's if YOU dont want to, its only there as a convenience to WP7 users so you can continue your conversation across the different mediums seamlessly. Just because someone is online on Facebook chat or WLM doesnt mean you cant just send an SMS if that is your preference.

efjay said:
One thing to note, if you dont want to use WLM or Facebook chat just change the method of communication to SMS. There is absolutely nothing forcing you to send IM's if YOU dont want to, its only there as a convenience to WP7 users so you can continue your conversation across the different mediums seamlessly. Just because someone is online on Facebook chat or WLM doesnt mean you cant just send an SMS if that is your preference.
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I know. Thats not the problem. But it will render the built in IM useless if disabled.
The problem is the communication trough SMS is totally different than the communication trough IM. Which will occur on different devices still for the majority out there. An SMS to me is still a high priority thing in some cases, if you want to make an appointment it works fine trough sms, however if its cluttered with all IM's from other users and stuff Im afraid one can easily get lost in the received messages and not find the IM of the appointment when looking for it or trying to find it again after you have read it.
Having IMs seperated (which are in general sended way more frequently with less important stuff than SMS) would be better because now the user can decide to use the built in IM and keep it seperated from the SMS OR mix them in a thread if he/she desires. But one will still have the advantage of starting an IM out of the people hub.
Also I know you dont have to use it, I've seen all the demo's and read about it. But the thing is what if I want to use it but just Facebook and what if I still want to see my SMS messages seperated. Using just FB chat is not possible atm, it will also pull up your WLM contacts, it would be totally cool if I could set MSN status as offline and FB status as online, but as it looks right now its only possible the other way around...
To explain the problem in more detail
Picture this: you have the device in your pocket, its fine if people want to contact me trough Facebook, but if somebody sends me an SMS with the appointmet and half an hour later starts talking to me on FB chat (because he/she is on FB than), I check my phone and the SMS with the appointment has sunk all the way down since there have been 10 new IM's from this person.
Its easy to lose/forget the valuable information if you can not check your phone every minute.
Dont get me wrong, its a feature with great potential but as of now, it will need more control over the different services (individual statusses per service) and some way to filter out the SMS messages and hide the IM or vica versa.
This feature will benefit a lot more when it would also be possible for whatapp to be integrated, which resembles the SMS a lot better than IM.

Maybe Microsoft could add a filter option? For example, when the SMS filter is toggled it would only show text messages as well send only text messages .

@Marvin_S: You could come across the same situation if you get a lot of SMS's as well, same as with email. I see your point but making them separate just makes it messier, having to switch back and forth to send messages and having to determine where a new message is. If you start adding separate notifications for each protocol then it becomes even more complex to implement and manage.
Much easier to have all the messages on one screen and you can easily just scroll to find what you want and not have to try and figure out by which method the message was delivered.

SMS isn't just for important conversations. There is a reason why people run through thousands of SMS in a month nowadays, and its not because they are really important. Its because people use SMS the same way they use IM, to chat.
If you are getting something really important in an SMS (like an appointment), it might make sense to copy it over into a task or your calendar.

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Why would it make anything messier? It should be optional ofcourse, so it will only help those who will need to keep it organised.
Well SMS and IM are very different. That some of us use it the same way is a choice of course, just like some people chose to use it as different media to communicate.
You can NOT receive IM's if you dont want to receive it (OFFLINE) and the other party will not be able to send you one, while with SMS it will be sent whenever somebody desires and will be read whenever the reader has the time (always delivered --> higher priority/value).
This for me is a fundamental difference and makes SMS more reliable for appointments or letting somebody know where you are on the go.
And I just wondered why MS chose to do it this way, while all the other platforms have these forms of communication seperated.
I can see this having a good and a bad side, maybe I worry too much about the negative aspect, but it can be solved easily by providing us with some more settings to have more control over how we want to receive our IM's and Texts.
Like sheltem said a switch or a pivot with All/IM/Text will make it simple for the user to narrow its search down. And maybe defaulting it to All (like email, All/unread/flag) and having the same interface to delete IM's and texts will be great.
I have faith MS will come up with a solution which will satisfy both parties and I have full faith that they will...

thank god I didn't have to reiterate my position ad nauseum
I've been doing that since the article has been written and while I don't mind spirited debate of how windows phone is versus how it could be, it's like many users sorta either focused on Eldar's contentions, the notification, or the sms window and not the total sums of each argument.
As I said before, for us, geeks, there may not be much of an issue. But consider who/what microsoft is trying to target - everyone else. Place yourself in their shoes, and of course it can lead to some frustration and some easy mistakes from users thinking hey I sent it this way when in fact it came in another way - EVEN WITH THE TEXT/FACEBOOK option open.
I don't think there is anything wrong with an extra swipe gesture to switch mode of communication. It is almost the same thing microsoft is doing, but instead of it being in the menu setting, it is in the face of the user. And sometimes, that makes all of the difference.
I'm not knocking the idea or the service, but asking everyone to consider how people without windows phone may view it. And that empathy is important for Microsoft to make it a success. So it's not a knock at Microsoft or their intentions.

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thank god I didn't have to reiterate my position ad nauseum
I've been doing that since the article has been written and while I don't mind spirited debate of how windows phone is versus how it could be, it's like many users sorta either focused on Eldar's contentions, the notification, or the sms window and not the total sums of each argument.
As I said before, for us, geeks, there may not be much of an issue. But consider who/what microsoft is trying to target - everyone else. Place yourself in their shoes, and of course it can lead to some frustration and some easy mistakes from users thinking hey I sent it this way when in fact it came in another way - EVEN WITH THE TEXT/FACEBOOK option open.
I don't think there is anything wrong with an extra swipe gesture to switch mode of communication. It is almost the same thing microsoft is doing, but instead of it being in the menu setting, it is in the face of the user. And sometimes, that makes all of the difference.
I'm not knocking the idea or the service, but asking everyone to consider how people without windows phone may view it. And that empathy is important for Microsoft to make it a success. So it's not a knock at Microsoft or their intentions.
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Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
It might sound really stupid and exaggerated, but I can assure you this will happen and it will be annoying to constantly switch back to SMS if you do really have to SMS. Having a seperate click in the people hub for sent IM, sent SMS, or a pivot in the messaging hub will totally rule out these errors.
But this is ofcourse the downside... and hopefully they come up with something smart and think a bit outside of the box. The system has great potential, no doubt.

Marvin_S said:
Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
It might sound really stupid and exaggerated, but I can assure you this will happen and it will be annoying to constantly switch back to SMS if you do really have to SMS. Having a seperate click in the people hub for sent IM, sent SMS, or a pivot in the messaging hub will totally rule out these errors.
But this is ofcourse the downside... and hopefully they come up with something smart and think a bit outside of the box. The system has great potential, no doubt.
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I know personally even though it says the service in a tiny font, I'll cry foul because of user error. Microsoft's main goal is to sorta cease some consensual user error not increase it. There are a variety of ideas to kick around
One comment noted a notification system in the messaging hub that indicates where the user messaged you at (like the notifications portion of the people hub) in conjunction with the swipe/pivot gestures to make a fairly good solution of which service the notification is coming from and keeping it organized.
Adding to that paradigm, I can still see how the initial chat window serves a function, as a unified way the person contacted you recently. And I have to be honest, that would be really a great and refined method of implementing a submessaging system full of notification and a clean user experience.
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does a swipe really complicate the user more than a tap setting>mode>switch service to (sms/facebook/msn)
I'm sorry, I don't see how a pivot is less complex than the system that is in mango already. replacing the finger taps for one or two pivots...
imho should've posted this write up on xda

Well the thing is MS has its vision of having everything related into a horzontal scrolling panorama. Which is absolutely great.
And they want you to use the settings menu as less as possible, so in this case yeah this switch setting (which I will be using frequently) will be more annoying since its click select close than type. While the pivot swiping to the right will get you into sms directly and the user will always stay in the same "level" or layer.
And it follows the consistency of the system this way.
You will have all the options with 1 just one pivot menu:
All (which is the way it works right now) / SMS / IM / Online
if you are on all, its the threaded view with default reply option as it is now. When swipe to the right it filters the messages down to sms only with reply as SMS.
Im the same but than reply as IM.

actally that too is a good point
Microsoft has made a unified design experience focusing on pivots and wipes with metro. The idea of tapping through settings is sadly reminescent of apple and android; somethign I don't really want to go back to anytime soon

Marvin_S said:
Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
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I agree that there is the potential for a problem here. Ideally, the facebook connection would be detected as idle and the OS would choose the fallback method of SMS. I haven't used it so I can't say for sure how it handles this, I'd hope it is that good. Of course, that still leaves us with the potential for problems in the window that it takes for the user to go from online to idle/away. Not nearly as big of an issue though.
It all comes down to how accurately the software can determine a user's presence. If the OS automatically sends a message via Facebook because it knows the user is actively using Facebook then I don't think there is an issue.

Personally I think ms should just separate the all and using the metro theme, sperste elm, fb chat and SMS. So you just slide. I don't use wlm, and hardly use hotmail there spam filter is awful.
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Actually, hotmaii filters out spam just fine for me. Quite well, actually.
On topic. I think we should wait and see how this works in its entirety. I don't think it's going to be as big of an issue as you guys think it may be.
And, separating the services defeats the purpose of the threaded convo view in the first place.

PG2G said:
SMS isn't just for important conversations. There is a reason why people run through thousands of SMS in a month nowadays, and its not because they are really important. Its because people use SMS the same way they use IM, to chat.
If you are getting something really important in an SMS (like an appointment), it might make sense to copy it over into a task or your calendar.
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This.
Seriously. If you got something important to note you probably should learn to write it down or train your working memory to recall the info instead of relying so much on technology.

Marvin_S said:
Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
It might sound really stupid and exaggerated, but I can assure you this will happen and it will be annoying to constantly switch back to SMS if you do really have to SMS. Having a seperate click in the people hub for sent IM, sent SMS, or a pivot in the messaging hub will totally rule out these errors.
But this is ofcourse the downside... and hopefully they come up with something smart and think a bit outside of the box. The system has great potential, no doubt.
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Hmm, interesting my reasonable response and the response of others would be to hit the line of communication the person would check the most which arguably is a person's self phone.
Too each his own for sure, but I don't think it's out of the norm or rather is the norm that people would message someone on their phone first, especially if going somewhere to meet someone.