I found that [email protected]'s ROM had a good idea of adding WaveSecure to the system partition (preventing listing in the My Downloads part of market, and preventing uninstallation through normal means), but his version is slightly out of date now (latest version is 3.0.0.43)
As a result, I set about finding a means to install WaveSecure to ROM myself. Here are my findings for anyone interested in doing the same.
Install the latest version from the market (3.0.0.43 at this time). Now use adb pull to get it off the device onto your pc
Code:
adb pull /data/app/com.wsandroid.apk D:\com.wsandroid.apk
Now open Market back up from the menu, go to My Downloads, and choose Wavesecure Mobile Security Beta and uninstall it for just now (to get it off the data/A2SD location that normal apps are stored in) - thanks, my-space!
Then push the saved apk to the system partition after a remount (to make it read/write)
Code:
adb remount
Code:
adb push D:\com.wsandroid.apk /system/app/com.wsandroid.apk
Then set it all up as usual (will appear in apps list immediately)
and remount system as read only again
Code:
adb remount
And that seems to be it so far. Remember to change the D:\com.wsandroid.apk path to whatever you actually used.
Let me know if anyone finds any problems with this, but I've done it and, fingers crossed, it's worked OK for me.
Obviously, this is only for root users, and there are no guarantees for this.
Couple of questions that might need looked into -
- Do settings carry across after a wipe (as Paul claims Modaco's version does. I've never tried it so can't confirm)
- Is there any disadvantage to using this method? (I guess this is all Modaco's update.zip does, but I don't know)
you forgot to metion to uninstall wavesecure before it is pushed back into system....
my_space said:
you forgot to metion to uninstall wavesecure before it is pushed back into system....
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Oops! Knew I'd forget something, as I always seem prone to do. Well spotted, and OP corrected.
Thanks
No worries I got a bit confused when i pushed it back onto the phone and was still in my downloads...
I've rooted my phone already but whenever i try to use the command adb remount I get "remount failed: operation not permitted". Suggestions?
I see more and more often, redundant threads.
What How-to will you post next time? How to change backlight settings?
You're pointlessly spamming the board.
I can't say i agree with the 'pointlessly spamming the board' comment, but i would have thought this would at least be better in the applications and themes subforum rather than in development.
Don't forget that an awful lot of android users (and more recently all HTC devices) are more and more 'newbs' and need stuff like this.
While this is good and provides info that people like that need (and myself cos i'm crap at adb and stuff like that so wouldn't have had a clue how to do this previously), maybe the development forum is not the best place for it....
I'm guessing one won't be notified via Market if there's an update available if you push an app to /system/app/, right?
usb0 said:
I'm guessing one won't be notified via Market if there's an update available if you push an app to /system/app/, right?
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You won't be notified, correct
If anybody doesn't already know, WaveSecure have started hosting update.zip files. This means it's now easy to update your "baked-in" version of WaveSecure without much messing around.
https://www.wavesecure.com/installations/update.zip
Download the file, save it to your SD card, reboot into the recovery console and choose the option to apply an update.zip file.
Voila! Your version of WaveSecure will be updated to the very latest version
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That's really awesome! Thanks for the tip!
Just a question of curiosity: If I push an app to /system/app/ and then issue the rm-command to remove its apk, won't there be lying a bunch of files associated with the program and with absolutely no function, since the app itself is removed? How do I know the name of these files and where they are located for removal?
I'm a bit confused by that question. My understanding (which may be incorrect but from what I've seen of the "guts of a ROM" appears to be the case) is that the applications reside in the apk files, they are not extracted. If you list the content of any of the app folders (/system/app, /data/app or /data/app-private) then all you get is a bunch of apk files (and some odex files). So when you 'push' an apk to the phone, that application is then "installed", when you rm/remove an application, you do so by removing the apk.
if you remove the apk you have left something in /data/dalvik-cache. wiping the dalvik-cache every now and then helps reclaiming that space, though it is not much.
the app settings and data are stored in /data/data, you could delete the files manually by checking their names (no idea if/what convention the names follow), imho not worth the trouble as it is only a few kb.
odex files aren't created if you don't do in a PITA process manually. don't worry about them, don't touch them, then you're good. odex files are only for system apps.
I bought a used phone and it had WaveSecure already installed. I couldn't find it in the applications list to uninstall, so I did a factory reset on the phone. The application was still there and it still didn't show up in the applications list.
I have the Superuser Permissions application, so someone must have rooted it.
Is there any way to uninstall this?
motomeup said:
I bought a used phone and it had WaveSecure already installed. I couldn't find it in the applications list to uninstall, so I did a factory reset on the phone. The application was still there and it still didn't show up in the applications list.
I have the Superuser Permissions application, so someone must have rooted it.
Is there any way to uninstall this?
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""Just (re)flash a ROM................""
I just noticed that WaveSecure now points to this post for instructions to install as system application, and I am not sure that the update.zip maintained with them is up-to-date.
However, you can now select to download the .apk directly to your PC thus eliminating the first Market step in this guide.
strife242 said:
I just noticed that WaveSecure now points to this post for instructions to install as system application, and I am not sure that the update.zip maintained with them is up-to-date.
However, you can now select to download the .apk directly to your PC thus eliminating the first Market step in this guide.
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I believe it is kept up to date, as VillainROM kitchen uses it as a source for the WaveSecure app (fetched each night to keep it up-to-date).
I've certainly never had any problems with it.
Excellent guide Pulser,... I should really reinstall Wavesecure now Im not using a MoDacO Custom ROM. Nice one bruv.
Found this to be helpful.
https://www.wavesecure.com/blog/how-to-make-wavesecure-hard-reset-proof.aspx
I just did a search in the Market fro 'wavesecure' and two things popped up WaveSecure and WaveSecure UninstallProtection Add-on which needs to be uninstalled before WaveSecure and if the add-on is uninstalled it is supposed to lock the phone. (all this is in the description I have yet to try)
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i mean is there a benefit to doing it over the data part? only diff i'm aware of is that (in this case, street view) putting an app in the system bit means i can't update it and as i can't get adb working on my PC, then i have to :
backup all my apps, barr those in system, flash a new rom (but remove the apks from the zip file), then reinstall all apps again
i need google street view and since adb doesnt work, this is the only way that i know of how to do this.
They're put on /system/app as that's where they originally live...if it's an app from the Market it will update itself correctly
It's also a space thing as if they were all on /data/app then you'd eat up your space in no time (unless using A2SD)
umm, ok stupid queston, why is it then no matter whose rom i try (here or modaco), if an app is on /system it is never updated? i *always* get an error during installation
few weeks back, it was google maps, now it's the updated street view.
i've flashed a new rom now but removed street.apk from the zip and can now install just fine, and can update as needs be.
I dunno, I'm stock and just today had Flash and Maps update automatically
If your system apps won't update there's something wrong with your custom ROM.
it wouldn't just be me then though?
i'm using leedroids latest and that's not updating, same with opendesire earlier on, modaco ones etc etc
Are you wiping before you install the ROMs? I've never had a problem updating system apps via the market in my ROM.
of course. full wipe
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of course. full wipe
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just uninstall the app and re-install it from market
You can't if its on the system partition. Updates go on the /data/ partition, though...
Other way is to get the APK in question and install it using a file manager, it'll do the same thing
uninstalling also isn't allowed, neither is updating. it seems that once it's there, it's there.
now, i've got adb working and can list what's in system etc but it gave a read only error when i was trying to 'rm Street.apk'
remount didn't appear to be a valid option. alls working now anyways. just need to remember to remove certain apks from a zip before flashing.
funky
You *can* update system apps with market updates, as has been said before. The app remains on the system partition and the phone uses the data version instead. If it's not working for you I don't know why, but it's absolutely fine for me.
So what we need is a mod that will give you the option of replacing the system/app with updated market version, but replaces it on system and not data.
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So what we need is a mod that will give you the option of replacing the system/app with updated market version, but replaces it on system and not data.
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Well that's exactly what I do in mine. And I get those by updating the system app via the market.
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Well that's exactly what I do in mine. And I get those by updating the system app via the market.
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Thats great for you, and i appreciate that you do that with your rom +mods, but it means relying on you. Would be good if android would have it as an inbuilt function.
But i guess with newer phones having increased internal storage + a2sd this won't be an issue for much longer.
It's never going to happen as part of standard Android, because the system partition is read only. Also the system has to be a set standard in order to allow upgrades to work.
In a lot of the custom roms threads I see that people are always asking the cooks to update the system apps as soon as a new one is released.
Rather than us users constantly hassling the cooks to do this, could somebody post an 'idiots' guide how to update the system apps ourselves?
I have seen a few threads about how to remove apps using adb, but none on how to update them.
Any help would be appreciated, not just by the users, but probably by the overworked cooks too
Cheers.
EDIT: by this I mean a way to update the apk in the system folder rather than the date to save space on the phones memory.
One way is to open the market and click on the 'downloads' link at the top and it will give you a list of installed apps and the ones highlighted in red have updates.
Another way is to search the market or a free app called 'aTrackDog' which will check all your apps for updates.
Thanks, but that is not what I meant. I should have made it clearer in my question.
What I want is this: a way to update the applications so that the updated apk goes into the system folder rather than the data folder. That way the update doesn't take up any more of the precious space on my phone.
I'll edit the OP to show this.
But thanks anyway for your help.
Don't you mean the fact that certain apps included in roms cant be updated. Only possible by flashing an updated version of that rom.
Wrong section.
prodygee said:
Don't you mean the fact that certain apps included in roms cant be updated. Only possible by flashing an updated version of that rom.
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No, that's not true. Often when a cook produces their own rom they will release an "Update pack" when a system app has been updated (such as Flash or Maps). For an example, see here under 'updated system apps':
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773997
What I am asking for is if anybody knows how to use adb to update apps on the system partition. When updating from the market a the update takes place on the data folder, not the system one.
Ta.
scutworker said:
No, that's not true. Often when a cook produces their own rom they will release an "Update pack" when a system app has been updated (such as Flash or Maps). For an example, see here under 'updated system apps':
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773997
What I am asking for is if anybody knows how to use adb to update apps on the system partition. When updating from the market a the update takes place on the data folder, not the system one.
Ta.
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do you mean by example
Code:
adb push Vending.apk /system/app
adb reboot
TomLeeDesire said:
do you mean by example
Code:
adb push Vending.apk /system/app
adb reboot
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That is something like it. What I want is a guide to what to do to update these apps when an update is out in the market place. Something like being able to update the app from the market, but then move the new apk to the system folder so to save space on data.
Thing is, if you're using a cooked ROM you're likely to be using A2SD+ which makes the need to not have system updates redundant as you've got your EXT partition. The other way would just be to edit the original ZIP file and reflash the ROM without a wipe
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Thing is, if you're using a cooked ROM you're likely to be using A2SD+ which makes the need to not have system updates redundant as you've got your EXT partition. The other way would just be to edit the original ZIP file and reflash the ROM without a wipe
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That is not entirely true, even though I sport A2SD+ (and it's 1/3 free) my /data is always begging for room... I'm always at the 15MB-free-limit.
Then you've either got a LOT of apps storing data or something's not right
Small dirty 0.1beta guide
I'll use teppic's update zip as example (hope he doesn't mind), sample of his updateapps.zip can be found in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773997
1. Install the update from Market, then open Appmonster and backup it on SD. After that, uninstall the update, to free up space.
2. Open the update.zip with WinRar (don't unpack it), you'll see 2 folders
META-INF
system
Open the inside of META-INF till you get to update-script and open it for editing, here's the example:
Code:
show_progress 0.1 0
delete SYSTEM:app/YouTube.apk
delete SYSTEM:app/YouTube.odex
delete SYSTEM:app/Facebook.apk
delete SYSTEM:app/Facebook.odex
delete_recursive DATA:data/com.android.vending
copy_dir PACKAGE:system SYSTEM:
set_perm_recursive 0 0 0755 0644 SYSTEM:app
show_progress 0.1 10
Replace/add/remove .apk's (you can add .apk without .odex) in this list, as those commands will delete existing apps from /system/app on phone
The rest of the script will copy the content of the other folder you saw before (system with subfolder app), so you want to add/remove apk's you like to there. Remember to use WinRar's function to add the file to archive, everything done here's is inside of the archive. When you're done, save the update-script, check everything again and close WinRar.
3. Flash the zip ;]
or do it manually:
h_ttp://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/8067-how-to-manually-update-system-apps/
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Then you've either got a LOT of apps storing data or something's not right
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I do think A LOT fits (about 300 apps installed)...
That's exactly what I wanted.
Thanks for the help, everybody.
Does this work on a Rooted (Unrevoked) phone with HTC's Original Froyo?
- I've been following teppic74's thread for some time now, and for every app that get an updated I get closer to flashing his ROM... but if I can just update my apps I wouldn't have to go through the process of reinstalling everything else after...
gosa said:
Does this work on a Rooted (Unrevoked) phone with HTC's Original Froyo?
- I've been following teppic74's thread for some time now, and for every app that get an updated I get closer to flashing his ROM... but if I can just update my apps I wouldn't have to go through the process of reinstalling everything else after...
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Sure thing.
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Sure thing.
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Nice!
That means my weekend is saved, I 'm gonna give myself some updates!
- Thanks!
One thing...if using the push and pull commands in adb to move the apk files to the system partition, what happens to the .odex files? Do you move them as well?
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One thing...if using the push and pull commands in adb to move the apk files to the system partition, what happens to the .odex files? Do you move them as well?
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.odex files are only on some custom rom's, you probably dont have them.
Hello again...
I kind of never got around to doing this last weekend - both because lack of time but also because the more I read the more worries I have. (Don't know when I lost my "gung ho" attitude, but age seems to turn me into a chicken...)
Anyway - I wanted to ask one important question.
How do I keep an eye on the space I have available for updating my apps? What if the updates are so much larger than the apps I'm replacing, what will happen then?
I read in teppic74's thread that he recommended some adjustments to save space, but how do I know what I have to "play" with? Is there a good app to read available space in "system"?
Thanks in advance,
gosa
I'm not sure if this is possible as ICS has no built in file manager, but is there anywhere I can put an apk file that it would be accessible without one? Specifically I want to be able to open an apk to install a file manager as the first thing I do after flashing a rom, to avoid needing to go through the market.
I thought maybe I could leave it in sdcard/download but it seems like the downloads program is blind to anything in that folder that wasn't officially "downloaded". (I suppose I could upload one to my dropbox and download it via the browser, if there are no viable options). Also made a few stabs at getting the gallery program to show one but it seems to filter out anything that's not a picture or video.
Any ideas for places to stick an apk and get one of the stock programs to let me open it?
maybe email it to yourself?
but you would have to log into the email app to do that
but there isnt really anyway to access the file without a file explorer
Open your favourite rom zip, add your apk to /system/app, save the zip, push that zip to the phone, flash.
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maybe email it to yourself?
but you would have to log into the email app to do that
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Yeah in general I'm trying to cut out the step of signing into anything and just restoring my apps from a backup before I need to cancel automatic restore functions (which I do want on and running once I do my own initial run of things).
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Open your favourite rom zip, add your apk to /system/app, save the zip, push that zip to the phone, flash.
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I'm guessing this comes with the consequence of raising any apk added in this manner to system app level? Not that I distrust the apps I'd have in mind for this to do anything malicious themselves, but is there any danger of opening security holes by elevating apps not designed to be system apps?
What I've done many times is just enabling Air Plane as soon as I can after flashing a ROM. That's way I can install any apk I want.
Hope it helps.
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What I've done many times is just enabling Air Plane as soon as I can after flashing a ROM. That's way I can install any apk I want.
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Hmm but then what is your method for getting to that apk? If you do it over wifi that seems to defeat the point, no?
Personally I've found that it works just fine to uncheck the boxes for recovery syncing during the setup process, and then just re-enabling them later in settings. (Alternately, not signing into my google account at all until I've performed a backup). That way even if I end up signing into the market to download a recovery app, it doesn't automatically try to re-download everything else on its own.
I'm starting to think that my dropbox solution will be the cleanest, as it'll be a simple step of opening the browser and downloading a single apk every time at the same link.
I bet that the inclusion of a basic file explorer will be one of those headline items in a future android release. A nice basic functionality that the bloggers can rehash to death before anything actually hits.
Download the file manager apk over wifi and install the APK via download manager.
I do it all the time with Chinese android tablets with no market access.
Or Bluetooth it from another device.
Or just use the market
LTE EX Galaxy Nexus - 4.0.3 AOSP
Asus Transformer - Revolver OC/UV
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Hmm but then what is your method for getting to that apk? If you do it over wifi that seems to defeat the point, no?
Personally I've found that it works just fine to uncheck the boxes for recovery syncing during the setup process, and then just re-enabling them later in settings. (Alternately, not signing into my google account at all until I've performed a backup). That way even if I end up signing into the market to download a recovery app, it doesn't automatically try to re-download everything else on its own.
I'm starting to think that my dropbox solution will be the cleanest, as it'll be a simple step of opening the browser and downloading a single apk every time at the same link.
I bet that the inclusion of a basic file explorer will be one of those headline items in a future android release. A nice basic functionality that the bloggers can rehash to death before anything actually hits.
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Transfer by USB from my laptop.
Is there a way to do that in which the device will launch the apk you move over? When I copy files over usb, it only ever puts them into whatever directory, and I need a file explorer to interact with them on the phone. And then I'm back to square one, as far as this particular task is concerned (once things are up and running I just use the LAN option in ES file explorer and it's as convenient as could be).
you have the apk in your computer right?
connect the phone to pc, and use adb to install
'adb install <apk_file_name.apk>'
Ah. I haven't used adb since I first unlocked/rooted a few months ago. Guess it probably pays to be a little familiar with those tools; they don't even occur to me when problem solving these days.
JoeSyr said:
Ah. I haven't used adb since I first unlocked/rooted a few months ago. Guess it probably pays to be a little familiar with those tools; they don't even occur to me when problem solving these days.
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mark thread as solved then, if that solved it
Well a completely in-phone solution would still be nice, but I guess if there were any of those they'd have come up by now.
I'll probably use abd if I'm actively working at my computer and a dropbox download otherwise.
This Nooter is officially supported by The Nooter Project for Nook Simple Touch​
I'm not adding certain things because I don't believe they should be available as part of a rooting kit designed to give users more control of their devices. Things such as additional readers or CPU Clocks are up to the user to install themselves and needlessly putting them in Nooter creates app bloat that a user may or may not want. You can always drop Apps you want into \nooter\data\app and they will install automatically when you root the device. This Nooter is designed with the sole purpose of opening up the possibilities of the device by giving users Root, Google Apps, and other Apps which make the device more usable as an android device than just an e-reader.
What it does:
Enables ADB via uRamdisk
Installs adbWireless
Installs Button Savior
Installs Amazon Marketplace
Installs su and Superuser.apk
Installs ADW + E-ink Friendly Theme
Installs Busybox & Busybox Installer/Uninstaller
Installs Gapps (Gmail, Market, Youtube, Others)
Installs NookColor Tools (To Enable Non-Market Installs)
System Files that get Modified:
/system/build.prop - Enabling Google Check In
packages.xml - Allows Gapps to install properly.
framework.jar - Should allow a proper Android ID to generate.
Changes:
May 26, 2012 - Initial Release
Before you begin:
You must already have a registered Nook Simple Touch Glow
You must have a Gmail/Youtube linked Account. IF you used a Gmail account for B&N Registration you should use that one for this process.
You must either have dd (Linux) or WinImage (Windows) software.
You must have an external microSDCard reader or this will not work. Using the Nook Simple Touch can result in it becoming unusable (bricked).
You must have enough intelligence to follow instructions.
Let's get started:
Download CWM from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=806435&d=1323121399
Download TouchNooter from here: glownooter-1-12-25.zip - Uploaded
Download eded333's beta5-1XWUMFTouch-PART-2-END from here: http://nooter.googlecode.com/files/beta5-1XWUMFTouch-PART-2-END.zip
Unzip CWM and you'll find an image file you will then need to write this to an SD Card.
Linux: Unzip and use dd if=cwmimagename.img of=/dev/sdcard
Windows: Unzip and use WinImage to "Restore Virtual Hard Disk Image" to your SDcard.
Windows Alternative: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download
Power off your Nook Simple Touch.
Insert TouchNooter SDcard into your Nook Simple Touch.
Power on your Nook Simple Touch.
User "n" to select, Left Buttons to go up in the menu, Right Buttons to go down in the menu, Power Button to go back.
Install from zip
Choose zip from sdcard
glownooter-1-5-26.zip
Click Yes and let Complete
Remove SD Card and press Power Button to go back one to main menu
Click Reboot
Upon boot unlock your screen.
At the Android Welcome Screen skip Sign In.
Enable Location Services when given the option.
Connect to Wifi and launch Youtube from ADW's App Drawer (Or the App Drawer of your Choice).
Click the Menu button (The right one in the middle of the status bar).
Select "My Channel" and Login using your Gmail Account.
Exit Youtube and Launch Gmail from ADW's App Drawer.
Sync your Gmail Account and Exit. (If it fails to sync that is fine.)
Power off your Nook Simple Touch.
Insert TouchNooter SDcard into your Nook Simple Touch.
Power on your Nook Simple Touch.
User "n" to select, Left Buttons to go up in the menu, Right Buttons to go down in the menu, Power Button to go back.
Install from zip
Choose zip from sdcard
beta5-1XWUMFTouch-PART-2-END.zip
Click Yes and let Complete
Remove SD Card and press Power Button to go back one to main menu
Click Reboot
Open up Market and Accept Terms and Service.
If you made it this far your nook should be successfully Rooted. Go Download an App to make sure.
Enable Non-Market Installs by running the NookColor Tools App.
If your Youtube fails to launch Uninstall and Reinstall Youtube from /data/app
Go to Settings > Device Info > SdCard > UnMount > Format
Thanks To:
mali100 - For porting CWM to Nook Simple Touch
eded333 - The second zip to fix Market Issues.
MrMuffin - For the original Market Hack that we're using.
If I'm using an app in TouchNooter and you would like Credit/Thanks, or to have it removed, please PM me, otherwise I might not see your requests
Currently Working On: Raspberry Pi Triple Boot System
It works!! Thank you thank you thank you thank you!
It works.
You couldn't have made me day any happier, Your hard work has given me a small tablet that I will use at work for keeping notes and recalling info. I'll be Joe cool with the info.
Thank you for all your hard work, I'll look in my couch and find something to donate.
Anyone experiencing problems accessing settings/screen to change the screesaver Folder?
Sent from my NOOK using xda premium
I have previously rooted using Roustabout's tinynoot. If I decide to do this Nooter, would I have to restore to stock first? (Haven't decided yet, pretty happy as is, but would like to know the options.)
Thanks,
Dude, nice job! Now to go buy a glowlight.
Hi,
Hmm, awesome =), just installed this on my Nook STR Glow.
Two questions
1. What's the best way to get Market searching enabled?
I've heard of installing SearchMarket - however, how do you do that? Do you just find the APK and install it manually?
2. Is it possible to install the Multitouch and NoRefresh patch from here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1568560
Or is the Glowlight version different enough that these won't work?
Cheers,
Victor
Anybody have trouble with getting the Opera Mini that comes with this to work? It doesn't even open for me. I installed Dolphin Mini and it seems to work ok but I'd like to get Opera working.
Multi-language root
This is great!
Is there a way to add menus and/or keyboard with another language?
xanadu1979 said:
Anybody have trouble with getting the Opera Mini that comes with this to work? It doesn't even open for me. I installed Dolphin Mini and it seems to work ok but I'd like to get Opera working.
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Try opera mobile, not mini.
@glowco: I'm looking at GD's scripts and the tinynoot scripts right now.
It looks as if I used the same binary (despite the different name) for the
/system/app/Superuser piece (the file sizes and mod dates are identical.)
I used a different release of busybox, though. So the busybox my script installed would be overwritten by the glownoot busybox.
My advice is that if you want to get the google apps working, restore from a nonrooted backup and use this tool. I'm very likely to ignore my advice on my own device and see what happens, but today's not likely the day that's going to happen.
The line in glownooter that does the copy-in is:
package_extract_dir("system/xbin/", "/system/xbin/");
Unless the package_extract_dir command wipes a directory before copying in the file, you'd overwrite busybox at that step but leave the links to it. The links would probably continue to work but if there's an important difference between the two busyboxes, you might find it made trouble in a weird, random way long after you'd forgotten that you'd overlaid one root with another.
The busybox updater/manager might alleviate that issue - not sure what Ed's or GD's take on overlaying one root with another is.
Roustabout, thanks for your reply. I'm not rushing into anything, so if you do decide to try installing this over yours, let us know the results. (I tend to like the easier approach if it works okay.)
Maybe I should take this opportunity to ask an additional question: what will this root let me do that tinynoot didn't, other than run the Market? What additional apps would it allow me to run that would actually run well?
One app I have partially working on tinynoot is Jabiru, a jabber chat client. The basic chat connection works, but the Conference function crashes the session. I doubt this other root would make a difference in something like that?
Thanks.
I just did this and it works great. The only problem I have noticed is that when I am in gtalk and trying to chat I only see the top two rows of keys. Is anyone else getting this or know how to fix it?
Hi,
before to try rooting the nstglowlight, is it possible to make backup with noogie like the normal NST ?
Yes, you can and should boot from a noogie disk and make a whole-device backup before changing things up, just like with the NST.
Assuming that tinynoot used MinimalNooter as a basis for it's design (as is evident by the forum convo) then GlowNooter will run perfectly fine without any issues, however keep in mind that because the package names for files in GlowNooter in /data/app are likely to be different than those in tinynoot you'll end up with multiple copies of things like Amazon market, which doesn't actually affect performance, but can take up more space. So you have two options, the first is to do a fresh install onto a fresh NTG, or you can install this on top of tinynoot and go in and remove the excess files using Super Manager.
Aurtach said:
I just did this and it works great. The only problem I have noticed is that when I am in gtalk and trying to chat I only see the top two rows of keys. Is anyone else getting this or know how to fix it?
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Using an alternative keyboard could fix it, the major issue is finding an alternative keyboard that is e-ink friendly. This tends to be broken in the app itself, because I have noticed the Google Voice app will do the same exact thing on nook devices.
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Maybe I should take this opportunity to ask an additional question: what will this root let me do that tinynoot didn't, other than run the Market? What additional apps would it allow me to run that would actually run well?
One app I have partially working on tinynoot is Jabiru, a jabber chat client. The basic chat connection works, but the Conference function crashes the session. I doubt this other root would make a difference in something like that?
Thanks.
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The difference between this and tinynoot IS the fact it has Market on it, you can actually go to google.com/play now and install apps to the device. Other than that there is no major difference.
Yeah, folks should understand what tinynoot grew out of: I wanted the smallest set of changes I could make to have a rooted NST usable by me. I almost didn't include the Amazon appstore, but then realized there were things I wanted from it and that it'd be more helpful to others if there was at least something
That's very bare-bones, because I don't use the NST for too much other than reading - I want an rss reader, a non-BN book reader and my contacts (via b-folders, rather than a google account,) and at that point I'm pretty much done. I often install what I want to a fresh device just using adb or pm from a commandline
Gabrial's trying to get the Google market working because so many folks really want it.
Also, I tested tinynoot against an NST last night and was able to root that using it, which is helpful to me.
That said, here are the files tinynoot copies in; it sounds as if the two rooting tools are compatible, which is helpful.
in system:
/system/xbin/busybox
/system/bin/su
/system/app/NookColorTools.apk
/system/app/com.noshufou.android.su.apk
and in /data/app:
ADW.Launcher_v1.3.6_Standalone.apk
Amazon_Appstore-2.1.0.apk
BusyBox_v7.3.apk
Button_Savior_v1.3.1.apk
NookTouchTools_v1.0-beta2.apk
Super_Manager_v2.6.0.apk
adbWireless_v1.4.1.apk
and that's that.
My device is rooted.
I've read a few other topics regarding this issue, but I'm still confused. As I understand it, using typical uninstall apps such as Titanium or Root Uninstaller do not remove the manufacturer apps from the phone still because of an S feature? I'm new to this process, so please forgive my naive rhetoric. I tried those programs, and as previously stated in other posts, the bloatware comes back.
I installed AROMA file manager to try and manually find the bloatware and delete the physical files, but I can't find the files that I'm looking to delete. I don't mind taking the time and manually deleting these unnecessary files, but, I need some guidance on where to look (or any other viable solutions.)
Thanks for your time!
Download this patch and edit update-binary file what application need remove then flash via recovery mode .
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My device is rooted.
I've read a few other topics regarding this issue, but I'm still confused. As I understand it, using typical uninstall apps such as Titanium or Root Uninstaller do not remove the manufacturer apps from the phone still because of an S feature? I'm new to this process, so please forgive my naive rhetoric. I tried those programs, and as previously stated in other posts, the bloatware comes back.
I installed AROMA file manager to try and manually find the bloatware and delete the physical files, but I can't find the files that I'm looking to delete. I don't mind taking the time and manually deleting these unnecessary files, but, I need some guidance on where to look (or any other viable solutions.)
HTC devices are set "S on" from the manufacture. That means there are certain partitions in the nand storage that you can't access without S off ( boot partition, radio partition). The write permissions to the system partition are also not accessible unless you either obtain S off through the Sunshine app which costs $25 or a another option that is not true S off is a write permission mod called WP.MOD_ko that you flash to your phone and it installs a script and changes your phone's SElinux permissions and enables the system partition write permissions to be able to uninstall system apps or fully use certain root apps like Link2SD that also need the system write permissions at bootup.
1st option " fully" unlocks your phone and all partitions. 2nd option just installs scripts to kind of trick your system partition to allow apps to write to it and you to be able to uninstall system apps. It also changes your SElinux permissions from enforcing to permissive so be aware that's disabling the phone's security system. Not a problem unless you get malware but you should be aware of what any mod does to your phone. They have to do that because the mod can't get the phone to be true S off so this is a workaround for that one partition.
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Okay cool, thank you for breaking that down for me. So, if I use what pham posted, then that would be a script change? But, even if it were a script change I could still fully uninstall the bloatware, with the risk of a potential virus. Is that correct?
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Okay cool, thank you for breaking that down for me. So, if I use what pham posted, then that would be a script change? But, even if it were a script change I could still fully uninstall the bloatware, with the risk of a potential virus. Is that correct?
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You're welcome. I'm not familiar with what Pham linked you but I'm sure it's similar to the 2nd option I mentioned. The one I was referring to was written for lollipop versions by CaptainTitti I believe is his handle but if you search XDA for our phone WP_MOD.ko that forum should be for kit Kat and a few pages forward is the link to the lollipop version with instructions from CaptainTitti on how to install it. The malware risk is minimal i just wanted to mention it. You have that as well with just rooting and also full S off it's just those 2 leave your SElinux permissions set to enforcing not permissive. Just giving you the info so your informed because no one but us pays for our devices so we should have as much info as possible I believe but good info .
The only one of these I've actually tried is the full S off one with Sunshine so understand and read the whole forum for the other before flashing so you know all the feedback but it does work. Also be aware that the WP_MOD.ko would have to be fully removed and SElinux reenabled to be able to do stock updates and there's not just an " uninstall" box with them. You have to use a root file explorer and remove what was changed and replace with the stock files I believe. Good idea to do a stock Android backup using your custom recovery before flashing any of these, S off excepted as it doesn't mess with doing stock updates. Not knocking the others but these are the things you don't find out about till after you flash them. Now you know before.
Below is the link to the forum page for the kitkat mod and if you scroll down a bit CaptainTiiti had a link to the one for lollipop.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2707378&page=7
Can't you just use Root Browser, then go to system/app & system/priv-app to remove the bloat? That's what I do on my phone everytime I install a new ROM [emoji1]
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Can't you just use Root Browser, then go to system/app & system/priv-app to remove the bloat? That's what I do on my phone everytime I install a new ROM [emoji1]
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I don't know my friend I've never tried that. Maybe he can try it first and see if it works. To be honest I never tried to just remove system apps before i was S off I just read of all the people here on XDA saying they couldn't without S off so I did it. Turns out I switched to debloated CM roms soon after and never even debloated my stock rom, which definitely needed it ! I used Titanium backup to debloat my Samsung tablet after root to get rid of Knox and Samsung junk but it wasn't nand locked like the HTC's are. Can't hurt for him to try it because S off costs and the other mods have their down sides also.
i have completely deleted their bloatware folder, but bloatware will appear if the device boots without root and there is no app folder in user app or system folder but they can run and update normally, maybe it specially designed. Will the above patch zip help me clear the problem completely? i want to clean up the crap, and my device uses system as root so i need to flash modified binary in boot.img separately after signing.