Flashable Android ROM - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development

This has most definately (I would assume) been asked before, but for some reason I can't find any info about. I wanted to know if there is a way(possible) to develop a flashable Android 2.1 ROM to the Tilt 2 (or any other windows mobile device)? I ask because I personally would want to fore-go the HaRET method since this is just Android running on top of Windows Mobile and therefore you won't see the speed benefits or full functionality of Android. If this hasn't been done yet it seems like it should be possible since the HTC phones share a lot of the same hardware i.e. Hero and touch pro2. Can anyone provide info as to why this is or isn't possible?
Thanks

sakshaug007 said:
This has most definately (I would assume) been asked before, but for some reason I can't find any info about. I wanted to know if there is a way(possible) to develop a flashable Android 2.1 ROM to the Tilt 2 (or any other windows mobile device)? I ask because I personally would want to fore-go the HaRET method since this is just Android running on top of Windows Mobile and therefore you won't see the speed benefits or full functionality of Android. If this hasn't been done yet it seems like it should be possible since the HTC phones share a lot of the same hardware i.e. Hero and touch pro2. Can anyone provide info as to why this is or isn't possible?
Thanks
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This is currently in development i believe but in practical terms we would need a fully functioning ROM first in order to make a flashable Android ROM practical...Haret is easy because you can boot right back to WinMo...instead of having to reflash your device

sakshaug007 said:
This has most definately (I would assume) been asked before, but for some reason I can't find any info about. I wanted to know if there is a way(possible) to develop a flashable Android 2.1 ROM to the Tilt 2 (or any other windows mobile device)? I ask because I personally would want to fore-go the HaRET method since this is just Android running on top of Windows Mobile and therefore you won't see the speed benefits or full functionality of Android. If this hasn't been done yet it seems like it should be possible since the HTC phones share a lot of the same hardware i.e. Hero and touch pro2. Can anyone provide info as to why this is or isn't possible?
Thanks
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Android does not run on top of windows. Running android using haret can be viewed as booting up a Live CD on your computer. A complete flash (over writing WM OS in ROM) might be possible in the future. Take a look at the Kaiser and Vogue forums the ability to flash into ROM already exists for those two devices. The problem with porting android into any device is that most of the information such as drivers, hardware chip sets etc. are not publicly available. The devs here, are in some cases literally reverse engineering parts of the phones hardware trying to get things working. Just give em some time and support.

Yup, If you look at the kaiser android threads they do have android running from nand removing WM completely. I think they want to get a functioning build before they start trying to flash to nand. One step at a time.

Reefermattness said:
Yup, If you look at the kaiser android threads they do have android running from nand removing WM completely. I think they want to get a functioning build before they start trying to flash to nand. One step at a time.
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He's right, if you get a dodgy build ETC.. you have a problem!
and android is still buggy

psyopstt said:
Android does not run on top of windows. Running android using haret can be viewed as booting up a Live CD on your computer.
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With a live CD you actually boot from the cd and never touch windows. With haret, you boot into windows and run it.
Are you saying it unloads windows?
Windows is not still running underneath?
I was looking for info to determine if I would be better off running the most stripped down lean version of windows for better android performance.. but from this post it sounds like it does not matter?? Is this true?

i think the best way right now is to use the minimum rom for winmo, and use that dualboot program.

x51 said:
With a live CD you actually boot from the cd and never touch windows. With haret, you boot into windows and run it.
Are you saying it unloads windows?
Windows is not still running underneath?
I was looking for info to determine if I would be better off running the most stripped down lean version of windows for better android performance.. but from this post it sounds like it does not matter?? Is this true?
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HaRET completely unloads Windows Mobile from memory before loading the Linux kernel, and eventually Android, rather than simply running Android alongside Windows Mobile. If you know what loadlin was, it's essentially the same concept of unloading one OS and loading another, without shutting down the device. Therefore, the ROM you're running doesn't actually affect the speed at which Android, or any other Linux distro, runs.

neodarksaver said:
i think the best way right now is to use the minimum rom for winmo, and use that dualboot program.
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Think this is what you are looking for.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624964
But Android on the Rhodiums right now isn't really ready for day to day use yet.

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
HaRET completely unloads Windows Mobile from memory before loading the Linux kernel, and eventually Android, rather than simply running Android alongside Windows Mobile. If you know what loadlin was, it's essentially the same concept of unloading one OS and loading another, without shutting down the device. Therefore, the ROM you're running doesn't actually affect the speed at which Android, or any other Linux distro, runs.
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Excellent, Thats just what I was wondering... thanks!

I would definitely be willing to give nand flashing a go once battery is working, as i dont use sound, bluetooth or gps, it would be nice to just have android on rather than having to boot into winmo first

sebbo90 said:
I would definitely be willing to give nand flashing a go once battery is working, as i dont use sound, bluetooth or gps, it would be nice to just have android on rather than having to boot into winmo first
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Still not even close to that, we gotta get the system to up to stable state since their would be no way to reboot if something were to lock up. its not a matter of if, just a matter of when. I had the vogue for a long time with the flashable image and it was the best thing ever with just how stable its gotten. it turns your old ass device into a new beast quite literally. the only thing bothering me is the prioritization of the current devs working on the builds.
Can someone tell me the name of the users who are working on the driver/kernel? i might be able to help them get those drivers working.

sebbo90 said:
I would definitely be willing to give nand flashing a go once battery is working, as i dont use sound, bluetooth or gps, it would be nice to just have android on rather than having to boot into winmo first
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the cab version of AOSP 2.1, the new build, is just as good right now. The battery life is decent while running Android. Plus if u dont want to boot into windows first, get The Gene Y Dual Boot cab..its here on the forum. get the one that points to the "andboot" folder. then u can just boot straight into Android. I got it. Wrks fine. Thats just intil a flash available. but me personally, i like the option of both Wm or Android. The More , the Merrier,..lol

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the cab version of AOSP 2.1, the new build, is just as good right now. The battery life is decent while running Android. Plus if u dont want to boot into windows first, get The Gene Y Dual Boot cab..its here on the forum. get the one that points to the "andboot" folder. then u can just boot straight into Android. I got it. Wrks fine. Thats just intil a flash available. but me personally, i like the option of both Wm or Android. The More , the Merrier,..lol
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Im not a fan of the dual boot .cab seems a little buggy like the load up times when i have used it. I guess this way with winmo i can have 3 os's

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custom roms and 6.5

i have a custom rom with a 3.42 radio and wm 6.1
if i upgrade my phone to windows mobile 6.5 will i still have my custom rom or would it be all new just like when you flash a new rom?
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i have a custom rom with a 3.42 radio and wm 6.1
if i upgrade my phone to windows mobile 6.5 will i still have my custom rom or would it be all new just like when you flash a new rom?
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The only way you would be able to upgrade to WinMO 6.5 would be to flash the phone just like when you flash a custom ROM now
WinMO 6.5 is not an installable app/upgrade like upgrading an application on your phone its the operating system itself
Right now and there are very few ROMS out there for WinMO 6.5 and none for the Vogue at all (Im assuming you have a Vogue as this is where you posted) soon there will be one as there are people working on it currently but what is there is EXTREMELY buggy and almost non-functional for the fact its on a phone and a phone should be able to be used after all LOL
Keep with the Custom ROMS for now and wait, the desire for it has been spoken and the Chefs are a cookin LOL
Detroit Doug
NFSFan has confirmed that those WM 6.5 ROMS are FAKE. Even if they were real, there would be no point of using them...
The builds are fake indeed. However they do contain a few components of 6.5. None which are worth upgrading for.
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The builds are fake indeed. However they do contain a few components of 6.5. None which are worth upgrading for.
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Really? What components do they have? Anything from a new today screen or Internet Explorer (like rumored)?
Kinetic scroll (give up TouchFLO and Manila2D), new IE build that supports kinetic scroll. The today screens being posted are fake. They are actually from a smartphone, called HTC Juno. Some asian dude took it out of the Juno, resized the images, and re-arranged the tabs to make it look like the new today screen.
flashing on Vouge
I know this may sound tedious but i have no idea on how to flash any ROM onto my Vouge. Can someone please help. I would love to try out several ROMs and see which one would work best for me.
Thanks in advance
Hey, here is one really good one
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Basically here are the steps
Download the 2.31 unlocker
Download the ROM you want to use (my personal preference is this one for a TF2D style or this one for a WinMO 6.5 style interface that has TF2D included to switch back and for - both very stable, fast and clean and the thread is very active for help (especially if your on Verizon or Bell which can have issues)
from there, use WinRAR to extract each file into separate folders
then Put your phone in bootloader mode (press and hold power+camera+stylus in reset until 3-color screen comes up)
At this point at the bottom of the screen it will say Serial, plug it into the USB cable or cradle and it should change to USB
Start the exe in the 2.31 and follow the directions (you may get some errors about sleep4.exe just click on OK as it keeps occuring its a XP/Windows7 64 bit issue if that is what your using)
At the point where it tell you to disconect, unplug the phone from the USB cable and wait (count to 10 or something) then plug it back in, it should have went from USB to SERIAL and now back to USB at that point go ahead and hit any key on your PC and it should continue along
once complete, reboot, allow it to do its thing then reboot and go back into bootloader again during reboot you should see coke 2.31 in the upper left if so your ready to go
plug it into your USB/Cradle again and then go into the ROM folder you extracted the ROM into
Once the screen on your phone says USB again go to the folder and double click on the RomUpdateUtility.exe file and follow the directions again, it may take some time so be paitent
once the phone flashes and reboots, let it run and do its thing to the and reboot itself then (and here is an important step for stability) once it starts up do a hard reset (red+green+stylus in reset hole) hit the enter button (center of D-Pad) it will reflash the phone and then red key (send) when prompted
then go thought the setup again, this time you can actually set things up as your keeping them this time and once things are done and your at the start screen on your phone power off (not reset) the phone and then start it up again - seems doing it this way takes care of alot of little issues that will come up before they can happen
Depending on your carrier be sure to have one of the DCD Carrier Cabs as well especially for the 6.5 ROM as it is a generic ROM and some have reported needing to run the DCD Carrier Cab for the service they use to get on the internet and use GPS and the like
Detroit Doug
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thanks
Everything is working smoothly and better than I thought it would have (i flashed the 6.5 ROM). Thanks to you Detroit Doug or I don't think I would have been able to do it without your instructions. I however do have one more question....i'm having issues syncing the device with my PC now. Any idea on what that could be???
re: Thanks
I've done several resets but to no avail am i able to connect via active sync???
OK maybe i lied about everything working properly and wonderful....so on top of not being able to connect to my PC via activesync I also am not able to connect to the internet on my device, i've downloaded and installed the NFSFAN Sprint GPS Registry but still its a no go... Did i do something wrong completely????? still
I fixed the internet problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
....somehow magically i'm now able to connect via activesync. I guess the device just needed time to adjust. Thanks for the help, and i do apologize for the numerous newbie questions.
ehepps said:
....somehow magically i'm now able to connect via activesync. I guess the device just needed time to adjust. Thanks for the help, and i do apologize for the numerous newbie questions.
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ok so i didnt notice this thread. so whats your secret? howd you get it to work?
mbaseball, I just replied to your thread.
MMS
I flashed the rom perfectly and im lovin every thing bout it but one thing, i cant send or recieve picture mail. Is there a way 2 fix that or sumthin. That takes alot of funny away from the rom. help me please. does there happen to be a 6.5 rom wit picture mail?
Best Windows Mobile 6.5 upgrade for Vogue (Bell)?
hi
I 've been reading this thread, and am just wondering whats' the best download so far for upgrading to Windows Mobile 6.5, for HTC Touch - I think this is the vogue...for Bell Mobility?
If you could please provide a download link.
Thank you all for your help
Thank you
Karim
kchaggani said:
hi
I 've been reading this thread, and am just wondering whats' the best download so far for upgrading to Windows Mobile 6.5, for HTC Touch - I think this is the vogue...for Bell Mobility?
If you could please provide a download link.
Thank you all for your help
Thank you
Karim
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The best is NFSFAN's Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM. You can find it on another thread in this forum right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432487
Don’t even bother with anything else. I am running this. It is fast, stable and very close to the stock WM 6.5 (I have downloaded the device emulator image from Microsoft’s website for software development purposes). The extras that are in there are useful.
The Fish

[ROM] Android Launcher Light ROM

- I've created this nbh for fun. Dont think this will be an updated work. I just think that someone would play with it and so it is here. -
WARNING: This is not a WindowsMobile ROM. This has just WM core actually required to launch Android.
Do you want only to use android, and you don't want to boot in WM before booting Android? This is what you need!
How it works:
It checks for haret.exe in your sd. If it is here, it launchs it immediately. You will see Android booting in 5 sec +/-
If it is not here it shuts down automatically your phone. There will be no booting in WM anyway!
Why? Fast booting is due to lack of most drivers and extensions. You won't be able to do anything in WM part...
Happy playing.
http://rapidshare.com/files/333308807/Light_NBH.rar.html
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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4SK097JC
demonstration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi2kPhxkfP8
(After basic HW initialization (30sec) you'll see android booting in 5 sec)
Fantastic
This is just fantastic !!!! thanks
Edit: And it works fine also xD
btw RAPH100
euromusic said:
This is just fantastic !!!! thanks
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welcome
Mirror if possible that link is going to be getting hammered all day.
Why? Fast booting is due to lack of most drivers and extensions. You won't be able to do anything in WM part...
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If there is no driver, I guess nothing works in android (since the reason why there is no android ROM is because of the need of wince driver inits...).
So does USB work ? touchscreen ? data connection ? capactivie pad ?
Anyway, it sounds really great.
I have some requests though: a diam image, an option (vol up pressed at startup ?) to export the internal mmc on usb (internal storage sucks.), and a big contiguous space on the nand so that we can put android in this space.
I have a really ridicules question to you guys, since i'm no developer and just a simple minded end user
The hardware on most of HTC's phones seems to be exactly the same, with really minor differences in them (all based around the same qualcomm chipset). Why is it not possible to simply flash a HERO Android Rom, onto an identical "more or less" WM type of device?
I know it probably won't work, and would/could/should brick the mobile, but question is why?
Sefy said:
I have a really ridicules question to you guys, since i'm no developer and just a simple minded end user
The hardware on most of HTC's phones seems to be exactly the same, with really minor differences in them (all based around the same qualcomm chipset). Why is it not possible to simply flash a HERO Android Rom, onto an identical "more or less" WM type of device?
I know it probably won't work, and would/could/should brick the mobile, but question is why?
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Different radio mostly.
Theres some interesting possibilities. i am going to PM you XD
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Mirror if possible that link is going to be getting hammered all day.
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this is great!! i will provide a mirror
This doesn't work. Just keeps looping "HTC quietly brilliant" splash screen. Did anyone actually try it? Maybe it's the type of flash card I am using (just a small 512MB formatted FAT). But this rom isn't working as intended...
Just tried reformatting FAT32. No dice.
Update 14JAN10: Not sure what mischy is talking about later "haret.exe that will automatically load" (doesn't startup.txt decide that?), but it definitely does not work for me -- it just loops through the HTC screen and keeps rebooting. Michy if there is a specific haret.exe to use, or something else (other than having a valid startup.txt) can you please tell us? I have unzipped the latested Connect-utb xandroid package and used haret.exe included - didn't work. Also tried directly from haret.exe author site -- didn't work. Also tried version linked here on XDA on the XDADEvloperWiki for Raphael. didn't work.
Gonna give this a shot, see what problems/joys I encounter
I wonder, since it seems haret requires stuff already activated in winmo to work in android, if this will affect anything, but I have also booted into Android with 3g off, but could still get it in Android.
EDIT: Okay, I tried it, and all I have gotten in the past hour or so is "Booting Linux" printed across my screen, and nothing. I've let it sit there for five minutes or so, nothing. Reset at least 6 times. Nothing. Done it with USB plugged in and with USB plugged out. Using a fuze, and have hard reset it twice since flashing.
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- I've created this nbh for fun. Dont think this will be an updated work. I just think that someone would play with it and so it is here. -
WARNING: This is not a WindowsMobile ROM. This has just WM core actually required to launch Android.
Do you want only to use android, and you don't want to boot in WM before booting Android? This is what you need!
How it works:
It checks for haret.exe in your sd. If it is here, it launchs it immediately. You will see Android booting in 5 sec +/-
If it is not here it shuts down automatically your phone. There will be no booting in WM anyway!
Why? Fast booting is due to lack of most drivers and extensions. You won't be able to do anything in WM part...
Happy playing.
http://rapidshare.com/files/333308807/Light_NBH.rar.html
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Does it support GSM Diamond?
here it is a mirror if u r having problems with the original link http://rapidshare.com/files/333632129/Light_NBH.rar
Badwolve1 said:
Does it support GSM Diamond?
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+1 for diamond GSM
to who haves devices locked on booting linux check first if problem is mine or yours before saying "this doesn't work".
You need a version of haret which AUTOMATICALLY boots not which requires user input
please cook for HTC DIamond ^^
Great work michyprima!!!
Great work, hope this works, so you don't need the windows mobile with drivers!!
Seems to be very speedy 5 seconds!!
Once, when everything works in android i will keep this as an option, since more and more is working in android!!!
MadMax1978 said:
Great work, hope this works, so you don't need the windows mobile with drivers!!
Seems to be very speedy 5 seconds!!
Once, when everything works in android i will keep this as an option, since more and more is working in android!!!
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We are planning to put android in rom, to
ok y ported this rom to run in DIAM***
and splash work... but... in the moment to load rom, the phone is "black" and leds.... ok y are stupid no reason... now loading... "booting linux" and... FREEZE... OR.... OFF TERMINAL? WHAT?
How would you go about reflashing a normal WinMo rom after the fact?

Dual Boot TP2

Is it possible to run both android and WM on the TP2?
slight22 said:
Is it possible to run both android and WM on the TP2?
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please read a little bit before posting. nearly all android versions dont replace win mobile you boot android from win mobile.
Please, as noted, read a little before posting. This answer would have been VERY easy to find using google or xda search feature.
It IS possible to dual boot. WM is on nand, and Android is on your SD, for the time being they will not overwrite one another.
Here is the .cab that will give you a dual boot UI.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623792
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Is it possible to run both android and WM on the TP2?
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yes you can dual boot.... search for dual boot using thread search and you should be able to get the info. u need
yeah. what they said. do a search.
yes but you have to wave your arms and jump on one leg in circles while you boot up your device its a pain...
Can dual boot be uninstalled if you ever want to down the line?
Dual boot schmool toot... gimme VM!!
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Can dual boot be uninstalled if you ever want to down the line?
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Yeah, the "dual boot" solution at the moment is simply to boot into Windows Mobile and run an executable on the SD card which then pushes Windows Mobile out of RAM and loads the Linux kernel and eventually Android. If you know what loadlin is, it's pretty much the same concept. This means you can simply delete the files off your SD card without worry if you decide you don't want Android there anymore.
Thank You!
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Dual boot schmool toot... gimme VM!!
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Thats what I'm screamin..... Looking into VMware Mobile Virtualization Platform right now....
i got the dual boot.wrks perfect. my tilt 2 keep gettng better and better..lol. im also keepim am eye on Rhubuto install, which will let u operate whatever file or program u want...no matter the OS. cant wait till developement matures more. im not sure if as stable as XDandroid. either way ima have all 3 on 1 device, if itll let me..lol
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demandarin, what steps did you do to get dual boot to work? i keep getting missing errors
Maybe what he means can you "dual boot" in the sense that you can have which OS to choose way before WM boots up both on NAND. Kinda like dual booting XP and WIn7. Without the need of an SD Card. I know the answer to this is still obviously no, how about some time in the future? is this possible?
Maybe?
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Maybe what he means can you "dual boot" in the sense that you can have which OS to choose way before WM boots up both on NAND. Kinda like dual booting XP and WIn7. Without the need of an SD Card. I know the answer to this is still obviously no, how about some time in the future? is this possible?
Maybe?
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It is in theory possible, but nobody has done it simply because of the incredible amount of work required. The iPhone, believe it or not, has this functionality with Open iBoot, so I am quite certain it would be possible on this device as well, but nobody has created an alternate bootloader/SPL for our devices with the exception of HardSPL, which is only modified and not completely rewritten.
It would be a nice touch to have a pretty, pre-boot environment to choose your OS, but I doubt that will happen any time soon. Besides, the WM file system is kinda weird (other operating systems can't read it AFAIK), so I don't think both WM and Android could simultaneously exist on NAND, and as a result Android would still have to sit on the SD card regardless of the existence of a pre-boot environment for choosing your OS.

KIN Two setup tool:SPST

I got a file and some apps & drivers.
You can find a PDF file in the attachement.
Please read it to see whether it can help.
Apps & Drivers:
http-//rapidshare.com/files/455584224/KinTwoSetupApp.rar
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Hi guys, here is another USB driver for KIN TWO which is a little bit different to the one uploaded above.
http-//rapidshare.com/files/456921463/KUSBDrivers.rar
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Thanks to every one here.
Let's work together/
This looks to be exactly what we are looking for. This will definitely open up the possibilities of modifying the current kin os, or porting a new os to the device. However, this guide is useless without the tools and files mentioned in the document. You said you had some files as well, do you have these files?
SPST Vn.n.n.msi.
PB10ZUnPB20ZU (Lab) Vn.n.n.msi.
SPSTUSBDriverInstall.msi.
InstallPMXMTP.msi
With these files we be able to finally successfully hack this phone.
This is great. We have the resources, now we must figure out how to get a modified os on the phone using the tools.
Awesome find KinPhoneLover; not sure how and where you got this SPST, but it could be the very thing that is needed. For people who bricked their kin phones, they should try the "refurbish feature" to see if that will successfully reset their phones back to "factory mode". As for getting a new OS on the phone, in the pdf at the "Upgrade section", when you browse for the firmware file, it is a .ecn file. Not sure how flashing is done for Cyanogen and those other Android custom firmwares, or their file type extensions. If SPST only supports/allows .ecn files, that could be a problem trying to use those Android custom firmwares.
wow, this is exactly what we needed....did this get leeked or something? it says its from the sharp corp., so im guessing they got it somehow by chatting with them? why isnt there a lot of buzz about this??? i can read my phone number and everything off of this...so close to getting android, or just putting java apps on it..
Too bad its only 32 bit But yes. This is one step closer. Please, people with brick kin, test it out. See if we can get the ball rolling again.
Radar2004 said:
Too bad its only 32 bit But yes. This is one step closer. Please, people with brick kin, test it out. See if we can get the ball rolling again.
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yes, i have to use my slow home computer, instead of using my quad core 64bit laptop
Just got everything up in running. Is anyone else having a problem with the SPST constantly dropping the connection with the phone and reconnecting? I'm not sure if this is due to running XP in a virtual box or if its something I can readily fix.
Short Answer: doesnt work.
Long Story: This needs your phone to be ON even for refurbish option and then, able to connect to a COM port. Unfortunately, that doesnt happen in SBL / APX mode and phone doesnt boot (autoreboots) so no COM mode available.
Just another software installed (for me).
No news in the front, guys. I guess i just need to get rid of verizon software (the one trying to get an OTA), not something from "normal" kin states.
Okay so now that we have a tool to upgrade the software all we need are custom firmware files to flash to it. However I don't see any option to read/dump the firmware using this software.
dezgrz seems to be correct, there don't seem to be a way to read/dump the current OS to make a backup of it. The PRL and ERI options don't seem to be what we want. The Provision option is the only option where we can read stuff from the phone. Could someone run that option, check all those settings (NAM1, security, feature, data, etc) and write it to a file and upload it? Maybe there will be something useful in there.
I gotta order a new battery, then I'll see if I can get anywhere with this... need to load up a 32bit OS first, apparently.
Either way, this is a huge step. Maybe not complete, but still a huge step. Thanks OP.
Hm..??
This seems interesting. I been watching this site until someone "Exploited" the phone. I have a mac, and does this work for kin? What does it do?
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Could someone run that option, check all those settings (NAM1, security, feature, data, etc) and write it to a file and upload it? Maybe there will be something useful in there.
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That features seem to be available already with "QPST" software... which didnt make anything advance (yet).
As i said, i renamed my NAM succesfully, and changed some security options (which i guess that doesnt matter, cause i *was* able to work anyway).
not much you can do that you cant do already, besides looking at your phones info. I was able to change voicemail numbers, was *86, i changed it to to just 8, and it says voicemail, but doesnt connect. Still playing around.
Why don't you just take it back to Verizon and get a replacement. How would they ever know you messed it up trying to hack it?
MicroNateDram said:
Why don't you just take it back to Verizon and get a replacement. How would they ever know you messed it up trying to hack it?
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You should read the whole threads and/or other threads to understand why.
This phone needs to get hacked. I love my phone but i dont like the OS that the phone has. If this phone isnt hacked by the time summer comes, ill be glad to participate. I've hacked many phones but this may be a challenge. I would like to see apps on this phone.
PS I know the phone has java so where can i go to play games or apps for java?
Kinuser1 said:
PS I know the phone has java so where can i go to play games or apps for java?
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Javascript
johnkussack said:
Javascript
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Out of all the things I know, why wouldn't I know that its Javascript? Jeeezus. I would happily spend time on this phone but my grades are more important. Now what site could I go to on my phone to play apps/games.
P.S your post didn't really help me.

No development progress :(

It's kinda sad to see the forum for the Duo not really progressing even with a device with an unlocked bootloader.
This device is amazing , it sucks to see it not getting much love from the dev community
I was thinking the same. I'm sure making the dual screens function as they should might be offsetting.
josh_zombie said:
I was thinking the same. I'm sure making the dual screens function as they should might be offsetting.
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Android 11 supports multi screens out the gate from what ive heard.
Im also hoping someone just makes an optimized deodex stock rom. the ram management isnt great :\
you can try GSI in the meantime
GSI?
also i noticed this was a dead forum. ppl are on the reddit. but im wondering if ppl just waiting on the Android 11 release then hustling on that. ALSO a lot of BS bad press from APPLE funded mainstream reviewers....so i mean..... i really get annoyed with my device SOMETIMES but MOST of the time....im loving it....and its a HUGE head turner and convo starter....its a great device
Same and same. Was really looking forward to that speaker mod.
After having to use an iPhone as a work issued device for the last 10 years, and being an Android person since the first Droid arrived way back when, 2 weeks ago I bought this device. I LOVE IT!!! I am now loving reading my ebooks, could never find a device I liked to read them on. I have literally 10 years of books to catch up on. The form and function of this device is far more advanced than the iPhone XR I was using. Yeah the camera leaves something to be desired, but it makes up for it in form and function. I don't need a great camera, what I need is a flexible device that allows me to integrate my work and home life balance. The 2 screens and being able to do more things at once is awesome. I am really hoping development takes off for this device.
darkherman said:
you can try GSI in the meantime
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Have you tried any of the gsi roms yet? I've been thinking if it too.
This device was released first in the USA. I believe now that other countries are starting to get this device. I believe we will see a lot of development for this device. Remember android 11 and 12 were designed for dual and non dual screens. More to come guys. Im actually interested in learning linux. I heard it just commands.
none24 said:
It's kinda sad to see the forum for the Duo not really progressing even with a device with an unlocked bootloader.
This device is amazing , it sucks to see it not getting much love from the dev community
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They are baking the multi-screen features into Android 11. Any custom development now requires incorporating all that stuff into a ROM (which means ripping it from an existing ROM, figuring out how it all works and then porting it to AOSP, maybe a piece of cake, maybe a nightmare) whereas in theory the AOSP 11 source will allow us to just build as-is and get at least minimal dual-screen support without having to do a bunch of extra work.
Microsoft has some decent documentation up for the Duo already but it's Microsoft's first Android device, there is a lot of work to be done.
renegadeone8 said:
They are baking the multi-screen features into Android 11. Any custom development now requires incorporating all that stuff into a ROM (which means ripping it from an existing ROM, figuring out how it all works and then porting it to AOSP, maybe a piece of cake, maybe a nightmare) whereas in theory the AOSP 11 source will allow us to just build as-is and get at least minimal dual-screen support without having to do a bunch of extra work.
Microsoft has some decent documentation up for the Duo already but it's Microsoft's first Android device, there is a lot of work to be done.
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Yeah, I agree. It's a lot of work and you have to find the software changes that they made inside the system image. I managed to get the system images separate from the OTA files, but I'm stuck on extracting the data from the system image. Microsoft used a different file type than other developers, but once we can access the data from system images, we'll be one step closer to ROM development!
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Yeah, I agree. It's a lot of work and you have to find the software changes that they made inside the system image. I managed to get the system images separate from the OTA files, but I'm stuck on extracting the data from the system image. Microsoft used a different file type than other developers, but once we can access the data from system images, we'll be one step closer to ROM development!
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I'm looking forward to it!
This is one device with tons of potential screaming for development. I would buy it just for the things a rooted Duo could do!
We already have gCam.
What I need as a rich DeX like desktop mode where I can plug in my dock and connect to multiple monitors and work like I do with my regular Surface.
Then minute that happens I'm grabbing one ASAP.
System and Vendor Files Extracted for Build 2021.817.35 (and for future builds):
[Resource] System and Vendor Files for Surface Duo & How-To Guide
Extracted System and Vendor Files Please use these files for your correct system version only! I am not liable for any system crashes or errors. This is only a resource for development purposes. Access Extracted Files (GitHub): Access System...
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This is awesome!
Also Microsoft recently announced Android 12L support next year.
Google's Android 12L update coming soon to support Surface Duo 2 and other large screen devices - OnMSFT.com
Google is planning a feature for its latest Android 12 operating system large enough to warrant a name change dubbed Android 12L that will give tablets,
www.onmsft.com
Hopefully it'll be both Duos getting the update to 12L
Would someone be willing to test my TWRP boot image? My Duo is bricked and I can't flash any files to the system anymore :/
This is the software you need to be on: 2021.913.25. If you can, you can dm me or reply here!
I'm on 2021.913.27 unfortunately, and I have another duo thats been off for a few months if that will help at all.
Im already 2400 in the hole and moved on to the iPhone 13mini so I'm happy to help test if it can get this device a few steps closer to functional.
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I'm on 2021.913.27 unfortunately, and I have another duo thats been off for a few months if that will help at all.
Im already 2400 in the hole and moved on to the iPhone 13mini so I'm happy to help test if it can get this device a few steps closer to functional.
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The phone doesn't power on anymore? If you can send me the 2021.913.27 zip file that's used to restore your phone, I can make a TWRP image you can test.
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The phone doesn't power on anymore? If you can send me the 2021.913.27 zip file that's used to restore your phone, I can make a TWRP image you can test.
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you misunderstand so heres the full story you can skip if you want
I purchased 2 Duos with my partner. He stopped using his after a short while and some mild water damage and I stopped using mine after cracking it. The insurance process with Asurion was such a pain in the ass that I never got either repaired but both still boot and operate completely fine. I just hate them.
I would like to hate the phones I spent so much money on a lot less and am willing to even accidently brick them in the process but haven't done more than rooting and TWRPing samsung and OnePlus phones. but I work in robotics so it can't be too outside my depth to assist with.
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TLDR: I have two beatup Duo phones that boot and run perfectly. I am happy to help flash and mess around with them.
[[ If you can send me the 2021.913.27 zip file that's used to restore your phone ]]
Where would I find this file? Or is there a way to get non rooted phones to spit out their updater files?
kmccall said:
you misunderstand so heres the full story you can skip if you want
TLDR: I have two beatup Duo phones that boot and run perfectly. I am happy to help flash and mess around with them.
[[ If you can send me the 2021.913.27 zip file that's used to restore your phone ]]
Where would I find this file? Or is there a way to get non rooted phones to spit out their updater files?
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Oh gotcha. You can find how to get it here:
Surface Recovery Image Download - Microsoft Support
support.microsoft.com
You can send me the zip file. I'll get the resources from it and send you a boot image to boot from fastboot. If the phone successfully boots, we have TWRP. If not, it's back to the drawing board.
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Oh gotcha. You can find how to get it here:
Surface Recovery Image Download - Microsoft Support
support.microsoft.com
You can send me the zip file. I'll get the resources from it and send you a boot image to boot from fastboot. If the phone successfully boots, we have TWRP. If not, it's back to the drawing board.
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And if it bricks, I'll somehow still be satisfied. I'll get back to you this evening.
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