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Just figured I'ld post this to weigh in.
I love WM. The TP was actually my first WMPhone and I really loved customizing it, ROMs, and in general HTC as a company. Easy tethering, tons of detail, thousands of programs. I hated the TP battery, waited six months for the TP2 to finally come out and changed to Tmo just to not wait anymore. Obviously, I'm a (relatively new) fan.
However, in all my reading and browsing, and mixing and matching Roms and programs, I got annoyed with the endless glitches. It seemed customizing was a chore to fill gaps half the time. And so I waited to hear about WP7.
On a random decision, after loading DualBoot and Android on my TP2, I bought a Nexus One just to have the Snapdragon and multitouch (HD2 announced for Tmo like 3 days later lol). But I kept my ears open for WP7 and totally expected to move back in October.
I know you guys are all WinMo, but to be honest this has to be a common feeling. Look how popular Android on TP has become. We have been looking for something, but wanting it to be windows.
So, the point: my experience.
A.) the nexus one has made me sorely miss a keyboard. However other than that I actually like it. The battery is at least equal to TP2. Things that are chores on WMo are easy on Android, like Fbook integration of contacts and maintaining stability. Having several open programs is such a non-issue battery wise and slowdown wise that there isnt even a freaking task manager or close program button. You have to download a program, and its not that common. You just leave everything open. Zero slowdown. Same battery, more or less. I don't think its superior to WM, more like a close cousin that doesnt share the bad family traits. In the present climate, Android is very similar to WM.
B.) and now the hard part. WP7 looks nice. Looks great actually. Devices will surely be as cool as always. But set aside your loyalty and look: what do you tell your friends you like about WM, why you stay with it? Customization. Open program downloading and creation. EFFORTLESS MULTITASKING. Endless differentiation between companies, UI's, and phones. Where the $%^& is what we love in WP7? Complicated, apparently limited, multitasking that sounds too much like Iphone. Closed development. Limited, almost meaningless so far, customization. Closed App environment. The best anyone can come up with so far about differentiation is adding freaking keyboards and hardware colors. Does anyone now wonder why HTC started shifting more support, and Sense, to Android?
As much as I hate to say it, I will probably stick with Android unless WP7 pulls something great out. It looks great, but so does the Iphone and that is not something I consider wanting. My nexus one has everything I love about htc, and adds in perfect stability and customization. Hardly anyone bothers posting apps online, but only because the Market lets basically anything in! Tethering apps, rooting apps, whatever. Let's face it: Microsoft appears to be spurning its loyal fanbase. And Google is waiting with open arms.
WP7 does not appeal to me at this time with its current UI. They should have hired SPB mobile shell to create their UI.
I like most droid devices (not the motodroid) and the OS is extremely responsive and easy to understand. Haven't done any detailed work w/ the andoird OS, but WinMo customization is what keeps me here.
I agree Trev.
I believe the software industry, much like the music and film (big and small screens) industries, is changing. Open source is the way forwards as people are more able to communicate with each other the need for centralised programming is going to more and more take a back seat.
This means margins will be cut and I'll be supprised if MS, being such a large organisation will be able to keep up. Maybe this the reason for the speculation on WM7 being locked down, so they can have a greater control over revenues. I've read an article which mentioned that MS consider Linux to be a virus that gets into profitable areas of business and destroys the margins. That attitude won't get them anywhere.
I don't think WM7 will have anything new. MS are in the business of preserving what they have and not winning new customers. WM7 will be safe, not amazing.
Android is new so nothing is set in stone. It will be more flexible, open to new ideas and will grow it's market share. They let pretty much anything into their app store which will allow anyone to have a go, not just a centralised "elite". This will help to keep it new too because it's not just the same people going through the motions because it pays the bills. The is what keeps this forum alive.
The MS business model is dying and being replaced with something that's better for the consumer. Much like the short haul airline industry changed
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Just figured I'ld post this to weigh in.
Let's face it: Microsoft appears to be spurning its loyal fanbase. And Google is waiting with open arms.
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Absolutely right! Wouldn't surprise me if google is working on an OS for the pc. If they are I would be scared if I were MS.
On another note, i'm not sure what people mean when they compare winmo to android customization. You can customize android just as much as you can custimize winmo. Do these people ever visit the android forums and see all the customization people are doing with their android phones? Any hard core winmo fan will not miss customization moving from winmo to android. I just think some people are having a hard time letting go.
I have also felt like this for a while. Mainly due to being given an MSM7200 for 3 years! Sure there is the HD2 with the snapdragon but that doesn't have AT&T 3G bands and a couple other WM phones with it too, but none that I like.
I would have switched to Android (and still will) if a phone comes out that meets these requirements:
1) WVGA Screen
2) Snapdragon
3) NICE keyboard, comparable to TP2. This is the best keyboard I have ever used.
4) AT&T 3G bands.
The only phone that comes close is the Motorola Milestone on Telus (unlockable). It doesn't have a snapdragon but a decent processor. Its keyboard also sucks.
Google do have an OS. It's called Chrome, like the browser, and it based on Ubuntu.
And Microsoft seems to be basing their business on people not letting go. It's sad really, I wish they'd try harder
I would not care if my Tilt 2 came with Android or WinMO to be honest. They are overall about the same to me.
I got the Tilt 2 because I wanted a qwerty keyboard, with a large very high quality touch screen as well. And I did not want an internal HD like iPhones, I want interchangeable light weight cheap storage cards! That gives me unlimited storage. All that, on AT&Ts service plan.
It did not hurt that it cost me $50 to upgrade from my Fuze to the Tilt 2!
If Microsoft would open up WinMO so the different phone manufactures could customize the OS for each phone, companies like HTC could do amazing things with WinMO.
I honestly wish HTC would update their software for their phones more often.
Keep TILT2 or wait a few more months???
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I would not care if my Tilt 2 came with Android or WinMO to be honest. They are overall about the same to me.
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I disagree. But then again, they keyword here is "me". To you they're overall the same. Which is somewhat of a true statement. They both lend themselves to customization and both have plenty of funtionality. But where Android sets itself apart is speed and stability, which I would take anyday. What good is a phone that has all this functionality, when half the time the functionality doesn't function properly or you have to tweak the hell out of the OS to get it to work properly.
So, So true
I remember feeling a weird sort of guilt for liking Android so much when I got my N1. I had spent so much time on my TP2 to get it right and the N1 came "right", right out of the box. Granted full free tethering(with free options) was not there, but everything else is. I think the guilt was all the time, I don't want to say it.... wasted.
I remember starting a thread that really ticked a lot of people off. Just mentioning how Android was what real functionality and customization should be like and BAM!, flame city.
When it was just Windows Mobile or another smartphone option(you can name them), there was no choice. Now with Android, I feel I have made the most equitable of the choices. And the little pleasures of the choice I have made are the reason that it would take a game changer of a WindowsPhone7 to make me think of going back. The lack of weekly(with the best of Roms) or daily resets(just to keep the phone fresh), glitches, memory leaks(a given), freezes, weird pauses and the like, which rank as my largest pet peeves, are my joys with Android. I have reset the phone twice in 3 weeks only to change a memory card and another time just because. Not one freeze, slowdown, memory leak, not in what's going on a month, which I can't say of the TP2 in the same time period. Which was the motivation to flash it. After agreeing on the almost overwhelmingly unanimous feeling that it was the best shipped Rom in a long time!
Yeah, no more of that for me , thanks....
I agree. If Windows "Phone" 7 is going to be as rigid as the other mobile operating systems are now; where's the fun in that? Personally, what NRGZ28 has done with his EnergyROMs especially his most latest is why I bought this device in the first place; he did remarkable work with the Wing. That's me! The work these folks do is nothing short of outstanding; all of them. Now, I don't know enough about the Android devices other than there is a whole lot of folks liking them but everybody I've talked to who looks at what I've done to my TP2; their eyeballs and tongue roll out of their heads; they can't believe it can be done and with the latest ROM I have on my device at first glance they think they're looking at the HD2 (Leo). If Windows "Phone" 7 (I'll never get use to calling it that) is going to follow the path of everybody else then you're probably going to see the bulk of us jump ship; but what cannot be dismissed is are we the majority or are we the minority? My Wing was living proof Windows Mobile 6.5 could run on it as were many of the Windows Mobile devices out there at the time. But smart phones like desktops are becoming as powerful as netbooks today; maybe notebooks. I've had my desktop PC for years but clearly the software today is forcing me to consider a new PC with 4, 6 and 8 GBs of RAM; my current PC maxes out at 512mbs. I've read good reviews about Windows Phone 7 and the moment the HD2 comes out I want it, but I also know the market is going to be flooded with TP2s and they will come down in price as they've already have now from $349.99 to $269.99. What is unknown is how much will the HD2 costs given it's horsepower and upgrades to the US market. We all have to remember there are other devices that will be released after the HD2, for example the Tera, looks like the TP2 with a 600mhz CPU. There is the HD Mini, smaller than it's bigger brother and I'm sure there will be a TP2 style device with the 1GHz Snapdragon maybe clocked higher. I kill to have a HD2, but I also know it is wise to wait. I have read nothing that says it won't be upgraded to Windows Phone 7, though with the exception of XDA, PPC Geeks and other websites; it might be awhile. I've had Windows Mobile 6.5 on my TP2 day one and then on my Wing; it didn't officially release until when; January 20, 2010.
"I would not care if my Tilt 2 came with Android or WinMO to be honest. They are overall about the same to me."
That is the feeling I generally got. I dualbooted android on my TP2 and basically still loved the phone for exact same reasons.
"I remember feeling a weird sort of guilt for liking Android so much when I got my N1. I had spent so much time on my TP2 to get it right and the N1 came "right", right out of the box. Granted full free tethering(with free options) was not there, but everything else is. I think the guilt was all the time, I don't want to say it.... wasted"
my sentiments exactly. except that full free tethering is available. same way as on wm. with some customization. i just rooted my n1 yesterday and got the tethering. works perfect.
As for new comments since original post... I am ever more convinced I am right. When I finally rooted my phone (much scarier than hardspl'ing my tp2 i must say, though not too difficult. similar to Pre unlocking.) it locked in that I'll stay with Android, unless they release a WP7 phone without the tiles and with full customization. Check out the android forums. I just flashed Sense onto my n1. I almost laughed.
It has the exact same look and feel as Sense on Winmo! Same keyboard. Same dialer, almost, so now I dont miss smartdialing. It even has a version of the sliding homescreen with texts and alarms, etc. It feels exactly like the day I flashed 2.5 onto my TP2... only it didnt hamstring my phone at all. It just worked. Customization is more complicated but ultimately more rewarding and way more usable on Android. It's sad to see so many posts agreeing finally. I figured I would get flamed too. This is a Rhodium forum after all! I will probly try to leave this thread alone to not bother the Rhodium guys. I loved my phone and would never trash it now that I got the n1. But I don't regret it at all. Still miss that fantastic keyboard though.
Oh and to the Milestone loving guy... go try that milestone. The keyboard is a joke to me. Its just like the droid. hard flat keys. At least it's finally centered on the phone though. And its sad someone mentioned the milestone as decent powered, it being a low end Droid. But then again, Android still has the G1, which is so much a joke its why I hesitated to even try Android before 2.1.
One final comment:
Are we the majority or minority? Obvious answer: minority. Or else they wouldnt be catering to the masses with 7. However: masses follow trends. Trends come and go. Our minority I would define as a LOYAL FAN BASE. Up until now. What happens when your LOYAL BASE is lost? Obvious answer: your company is a victim of the masses, lol.
Look at the Palm Pre. I had one for about a month before Rhodium. Fantastic OS, always stable, so easy to use. I reccomend that phone to every teenager wondering what phone to buy, or person who doesn't want to bother with the phone. But Palm built its empire on the Corporate and Power User. And then ditched them with Web OS and no poweruser form factor phones like HTC has. They arent necessarily dying, but with alllll that buzz, why do I constantly read reports of their company struggling with insolvency? Because they ditched their fanbase I would say. Sadly, I bet MS banks on WP7. They have the power of laaaarge budgets. But what happens when Iphone 4.0 or whatever the next buzz stealer is comes out? Hope they picked the right group.
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One final comment:
Are we the majority or minority? Obvious answer: minority. Or else they wouldnt be catering to the masses with 7. However: masses follow trends. Trends come and go. Our minority I would define as a LOYAL FAN BASE. Up until now. What happens when your LOYAL BASE is lost? Obvious answer: your company is a victim of the masses, lol.
Look at the Palm Pre. I had one for about a month before Rhodium. Fantastic OS, always stable, so easy to use. I reccomend that phone to every teenager wondering what phone to buy, or person who doesn't want to bother with the phone. But Palm built its empire on the Corporate and Power User. And then ditched them with Web OS and no poweruser form factor phones like HTC has. They arent necessarily dying, but with alllll that buzz, why do I constantly read reports of their company struggling with insolvency? Because they ditched their fanbase I would say. Sadly, I bet MS banks on WP7. They have the power of laaaarge budgets. But what happens when Iphone 4.0 or whatever the next buzz stealer is comes out? Hope they picked the right group.
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I agree with this. Companies alienate their loyal fanbases all the time in pursuit of of larger sales. There's nothing wrong with niche products, even when influential tech blogs try to declare your mobile OS "dead" even though you still have roughly 20% market share in the space.
I'm with the OP on the original point as well. I've defended WinMo to the death in the face of hordes of iPhone users and what thanks do I get? A dead Moto Q9h (replaced under warranty), a quirky Palm Treo Pro, and a Tilt 2 with a dead touchscreen (also being replaced under warranty). I applaud MSFT for trying to standardize the hardware experience of WP7, but I can't stand the walled-garden, locked-down UI, app store approach. Android is the most logical choice for my next phone - that Dell Mini 5 is looking pretty good.
I'm thinking of switching from T-mobile to a CDMA network(due to poor GSM coverage in my area) but neither Sprint nor Verizion has any decent windows mobile phones like the HD2. So I was thinking since some people got the TP2 to run droid, shouldn't someone be able to get the EVO to run Winmobile since its hardware is so similar to the HD2?
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This is certainly the first time I've heard of something like that. Why would you want Windows Mobile ruining such a great device anyway?
'cause it rocks. 'cause it has so much info and access on its main screen. I'm starting to wonder why we need 5 or 7 screens other than just to have 5 or 7 screens, but I must admit I would want 5 or 7 screens just to have 5 or 7 screens, but I want winmo's sense on the main screen.
The short answer.... No.
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wow, when did I become a senior member?
I'm just a dork drooling over a new phone. Can't wait! Android it is I guess.
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I'm just a dork drooling over a new phone. Can't wait! Android it is I guess.
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12 posts ago.lol And yea. Android it is. I hate to say it... but I may switch even after 4 years of WM awesomeness. I know I'm not going to WP7, and I'm sure not going to a dumbphone. Android is the only (good) alternative. I'm just waiting for an EVO with a physical keyboard.
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wp7
If nothing else it's just fugly.
Why WinMo
I too would like WinMo 6.5 on EVO for a few reasons:
1. Zune. Zune. Zune. I can sync up play lists DRM music etc with it via WMP11 to WinMo. It may not be pretty and beautiful, but it works. The Zune service on PC is much better than iTunes. Don't argue with me if you haven't used it, you just don't know.
2. 1GHz snapdragon. Touch Pro 2 only has 528 MHz processor and drags a little on WinMo 6.5.
3. Not huge on separated non-integrated applications. Zune, GPSnav (recently added bing turn-by-turn), web, phone, email, text and maybe tether/wifi router. I don't want to pay for software I don't really need.
4. Not so important, but worth mentioning...business focused integration. Ability to operate closely w/ cloud or on it's own.
Ideally, I'd have a QWERTY slider with the 1GHz or better, WinMo 6.5.x (skeptical about WP7, but looking forward to it), real GPS (not via cell tower), WiFi/AP capable w/ WPA(2). I can write little apps that I might need...because WinMo is open, not controlled like apple or android market.
That's why.
Well I don't see it happening because ..
1: Winmo is not open source and phone makers have to pay for the license (It's not open source like android *linux*)so anyone trying to port it to a non licensed device risk getting sued by MS this making it sorda warez'y and prob couldn't be discussed on this site or most.
2. winmo 6.x is getting killed by backwards compat of 7.x so most developers wouldn't put the effort
3. winmo is getting kinda old and this is coming from someone who used winmo since 2002. :/
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3. winmo is getting kinda old...
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Getting old? winmo is ancient, in tech time!!!!!
ANYONE, that has actually used WinMo (Any version) and then used an Android device should know better.
In fact there should be an IQ test for those people buying "Smart Phones." if you're not smarter than the phone you can't have it dummy..
Serioulsy, if you're still stuck on WinMo you shouldn't be allowed to own an Android device.
Windows Mobile is dead dude. It's a wasted effort and Android is gaining market share like crazy.
RIM is still competitive because there are so many Suits that are stuck on it, but eventually the'll face the same fate as Winmo Fanboys.
Lastly, if anyone EVER puts windows mobile on the Evo I'll find a way to report you for something, somewhere, it's just plain stupid.
The last winmo device I used was htc mogul. The device it's self was flawed, but winmo it's self has it's advantages. There is metric ton of software that hasn't yet or will never be ported to android. Winmo is more stylus friendly whereas android is more finger friendly. Seeing the evo has a capacitive touch screen, you'll be beating your head into a wall in more ways than one.
Although I hope to never see it ported honestly, the easiest solution is getting a hd2 it has winmo and is almost the exact same thing as the evo minus the wimax and hdmi.
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johnsongrantr said:
The last winmo device I used was htc mogul. The device it's self was flawed, but winmo it's self has it's advantages. There is metric ton of software that hasn't yet or will never be ported to android. Winmo is more stylus friendly whereas android is more finger friendly. Seeing the evo has a capacitive touch screen, you'll be beating your head into a wall in more ways than one.
Although I hope to never see it ported honestly, the easiest solution is getting a hd2 it has winmo and is almost the exact same thing as the evo minus the wimax and hdmi.
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and the 8MP camera, the front facing camera, 720p video recording, bigger battery
I need to use the Supra Ekey. that's the only reason I've been sticking with Windows Mobile
Does anyone know if they will be able to port Windows 3.1 to the Evo? I really want it, but I want to use a crappy outdated operating system that will ensure I won't be able to use half the hardware features.
Also, I know it's unrelated, but does anyone know how to replace the engine in my Ferrari with one from a lawn mower? I just really love the pull-start.
Thanks!
I was wondering the same thing, that is the possibility of running Windows Mobile on the phone. But I guess by the looks of it there wont be any chefs releasing any roms. Reason I need Windows Mobile is for my business. We run custom financial quoting software and the company recently spent a butt load of money porting the entire app from Palm to Windows Mobile... hopefully they port it to Android.
Bought a Hero, like Winmo better than Android
So my kid trashed his old Sanyo flip phone (probably because we had been talking about getting him a new phone for his birthday). Two days before his birthday he apparently tripped and dropped his phone and it shattered on a dirt road. Looks like he must have accidentally stepped on it also (accidentally about ten times).
So I've checked it out and have come to the conclusion that when I get my Evo I will greatly miss Winmo. I'm not saying Winmo is better or worse than Android. It is just a little different and it comes down to personal preference. There are some advantages to each. Froyo will catch up on somethings (storage card support).
I prefer Sense on Winmo because I like the dashboard like setup. Android is more like a desktop. I like getting lots of info on my home page without having to navigate anywhere and think Winmo has the advantage there.
I like how the Android screens allow you to place your shortcuts where you want, but it still has its limitations. I like full screen widgets (several Winmo Sense offers) and with Andoid I could only have 6. I tried setting up a lot of widgets on my kids phone and kept getting the message "there is not enough rooom" and those weren't even full screen widgets. If I wanted 6 full screen widgets there would be no more room for shortcuts or folders.
There is the all programs screen which is really just like Winmo's start screen.
I use a Winmo 6.5.x so the start button is in the same place the all programs button is on Android Sense. Winmo has the phone soft button just like Android, but I change it to something else since I already have a phone hard button. Can Android do that? Winmo also has another softkey that can be customized, Android has the + to add things to the home screen.
I think the slider (hideable) on Winmo Sense is the greatest invention on the touch phone yet. Andoid even uses it in some apps like in the people app. The Winmo Sense home screen has the clock and weather just like Andriod sense, but also has phone history and 1 to 3 rows links 3 wide and flicks up to expose a larger grid.
If you use Cookie's home tab editor the links grid (which handle any link not just app shortcuts) can be customized to 4 or 5 across with multiple pages to 80 links. I think it even flicks up further to expose just your background or down to no links giving more home page room for phone history or calendar. You can even display other counters like texts and emails.
If you use his advanced home tab you can switch between the calendar appointments and tasks by flicking left and right. If you add BattClock you can display even more info like some metrics digitally on the taks bar or even graphically in thin stripes/bars where you want it on the home screen. Use WKTask and now you have a task manager that shows you what's open on the task bar. Lots of info and one touch access as soon as you turn on your phone.
If I could have all this on the Android home screen and have the 7 screens I'd be in heaven. Again, I'm not saying one is better than the other and I'm sure there is lots of customization in Android I haven't learned about yet so if anyone knows how I can get the best of both worlds please advise.
What I really want to see is not WinMo, but let's get WebOS on here.
If only it was open source. lol
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Does anyone know if they will be able to port Windows 3.1 to the Evo? I really want it, but I want to use a crappy outdated operating system that will ensure I won't be able to use half the hardware features.
Also, I know it's unrelated, but does anyone know how to replace the engine in my Ferrari with one from a lawn mower? I just really love the pull-start.
Thanks!
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This is the best laugh I've had all day!!
I understand the Evo is the new phone to have, but if you love WinMo so much, go to the HD2. Same body type, comparable hardware, and the failsauce os you love. Have fun with 6.5
At the risk of being stoned to death before being shot and hanged while being burned at the stake:
Is anyone working on getting WM7 ported to the Evo?
I, for one, like the Evo for it's processor, front facing camera, powerful rear camera, 4G connectivity and giant screen.
I don't know android at all yet (and I have nothing against it at all) but I like to keep my options open.
Just to be 100% clear - I am not saying Windows Phone 7 is superior to Android, nor am I asking which one you think is superior or for your evaluations of either OS and their strengths and weaknesses.
That's what the HD2 is for.
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How does the HD2 help you if you are a Sprint customer (as all Evo owners are)?
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How does the HD2 help you if you are a Sprint customer (as all Evo owners are)?
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That's what tmobile is for
Hell no. Wait for the Mondrian or the several other devices being released with WM7 by companies like HTC and Dell if you want a device like this running that OS. The Evo is an Android phone, and Windows Phone 7 isn't free, open sourced software. Phone manufacturers have to pay for each copy of the software they put on each device, so there's little to no chance of getting it on this phone.
Supposedly the new WP7 HTC phone will have a 1.3Ghz processor. Windows takes up too many resources and the UI is hideous. I can't believe people give it so much praise and we don't even have a working model. The ONLY good thing about WP7 is the xbox live part but we don't even know what that's going to be about. I personally think the UI is hideous.
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Supposedly the new WP7 HTC phone will have a 1.3Ghz processor. Windows takes up too many resources and the UI is hideous. I can't believe people give it so much praise and we don't even have a working model. The ONLY good thing about WP7 is the xbox live part but we don't even know what that's going to be about. I personally think the UI is hideous.
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I guess you're not a big fan of Scrabble, then?
In all seriousness though, it's a shame they're giving up functionality for aesthetic appeal. What's the point in rearranging artfully arranged sliding squares when I can simply set icons and widgets anywhere on one of my 49 customizable home screens?
It's hideous. Another turn off is that the text in the squares is cut off. I don't want to see CONTAC instead of contacts. I think it's going to fail.
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It's hideous. Another turn off is that the text in the squares is cut off. I don't want to see CONTAC instead of contacts. I think it's going to fail.
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I think this poll needs an additional "There's a D&D Android app?!" option.
I honestly like the way WM7 looks. The squares work very nicely together, and the way words run past the edges of the screen give it an artistic feel. Anyone familiar with the concepts of graphic design will appreciate the GUI.
The XBL add-on is the major reason I'm excited, I just think it'll be an awesome feature, however they implement it. I'm hoping it'll show which of your friends is online, what games they're playing, and access to your achievements. At the very least
As for being on this phone... it might be neat, but I'd rather get a device designed for WM7. Or flash the HD2.
I just saw the tags on this topic. Lawl.
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ROFL!!
WM7 is a giant step back in many ways with it's artsy fartsy ui. I'm not sure why they are going this route. It reminds me a little of the pre, all this focus on look zero time spent on function. It's like they are trying to further dumb down the iphone which any 5 year old can use and I'm not sure they are going to impress either crowd.
Xbox live sounds cool until i look at the form factors and realize these are not gaming devices. I may just pick up the rumored psp phone, especially if it runs android or another non totally retarded os simply because at least that is a mobile device I'd enjoy playing games on as it has the proper hardware.
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at the risk of being stoned to death before being shot and hanged while being burned at the stake:
is anyone working on getting wm7 ported to the evo?
i, for one, like the evo for it's processor, front facing camera, powerful rear camera, 4g connectivity and giant screen.
I don't know android at all yet (and i have nothing against it at all) but i like to keep my options open.
Just to be 100% clear - i am not saying windows phone 7 is superior to android, nor am i asking which one you think is superior or for your evaluations of either os and their strengths and weaknesses.
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no no no no
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WM7 is a giant step back in many ways with it's artsy fartsy ui. I'm not sure why they are going this route. It reminds me a little of the pre, all this focus on look zero time spent on function. It's like they are trying to further dumb down the iphone which any 5 year old can use and I'm not sure they are going to impress either crowd.
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I played a little with a UI theme designed around what's been seen so far, and (at least the theme) it worked pretty well. Contacts slid smoothly, Zune-like, into the screen displaying your contacts, complete with assigned pictures. Of course, it's only assumed that it'll use Zune-esque menus. Either way, I enjoyed the aesthetics and the touch-friendly interface. WM for years has been a highly touchy UI, so it's about time it's moved into a world that has less tolerance for styli. If it continues with something even close to the level of utility WM has now, I'll be a happy man. We'll see how it works on release, I don't really want to praise something I only kind of know about.
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Xbox live sounds cool until i look at the form factors and realize these are not gaming devices. I may just pick up the rumored psp phone, especially if it runs android or another non totally retarded os simply because at least that is a mobile device I'd enjoy playing games on as it has the proper hardware.
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I don't think they're meant to give you the gaming side of XBL, but rather the informational side. I know I like just looking through my friend's list and comparing their played games and achievements to mine, and that's probably all they'll have. I'm sure if mobile gaming kicks off they'll offer Marketplace games for Mobile, later down the road, for phones made with that in mind.
every word i have heard is that the hd2 is not going to be wm7, at any point in time. as i understand it, the hardware architecture is simply incompatible. likewise with any device produced thus far (except the kin, i think, and it's close relative). the best you would get on the hd2 is a type of look-alike port, but without the same functionality.
although, i'm not sure why one would take a perfectly good OS like android and put wm7 on it, other than maybe just to give it a whirl, lol. that being said, i suspect that the architecture on the evo will probably have the same limitation as the hd2.
WM 6.5.x was the pinnacle of WinMo... It had so much potential. WM7 killed it. now its just an webOS/iphone OS... it sucks. WinMo is dead to me. :'(
Of course I'd like to see a port. Now whether or not I will actually use it for anything more than showing off will depend on how good wp7 is and the port... but the more options the better imo
Wm7 on Evo
I have read that a guy found a way to launch either android or windows mobile 3.1 using dos box on an android phone. What about WM7 i don't know. I think on this forum people could accept that there are guys who like android OS and those who like WM7 OS. I personnally would love to have a HTC EVO 4G phone running both OS system . Having that 4G phone running WM7 would be nice for me because there are some ppc softwares that i don't find on android and that can be only run on a Windows mobile 7 phone!! I had the Nexus one and the HTC HD2 and i already sold them. I'd found really amazing to get an EVO 4G running WM7 'cause it would be an exploit and i sure i'm not the only one who want to see that. Plus the HTC EVO 4G will have 8 megapixells compare to the Mondrian and the HD2, the Winmax (4G) and seems much nicer!!! Let's sign a petition of who wish to see that or not and we shall see!!!!
There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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So much fight here about it.....
Well I'm still not decided.
But I know I want to give WP7 a go.
Looks great and I would be happy to have clean, unified UI.
Limitations which are apparent on WP7 make it unusable at this point.
Android is the most complete but I just really don't like it's interface...
Probably staying with 6.5 for some time....
i personally cant be bothered to hack my my phone and look for custom ROM to flash. surely people only do this if they are not happy with their phone.if you dont like the OS. dont get it. its the reason why im not getting android, or an iphone. all phones have great features missing from them. and wp7 is only in its first phase improvement like copy and paste will come. ive only got 1 complaint, and that is that i cannot use it as a flash drive but then again, if i did that, would it slow down to a crawl??? wp7 is dead easy, i dont have time to muck around like i used to with wm6.5 on my touch diamond 2. i want it all, and i want it all now. so im sticking with wp7.
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i personally cant be bothered to hack my my phone and look for custom ROM to flash. surely people only do this if they are not happy with their phone.if you dont like the OS. dont get it. its the reason why im not getting android, or an iphone. all phones have great features missing from them. and wp7 is only in its first phase improvement like copy and paste will come. ive only got 1 complaint, and that is that i cannot use it as a flash drive but then again, if i did that, would it slow down to a crawl??? wp7 is dead easy, i dont have time to muck around like i used to with wm6.5 on my touch diamond 2. i want it all, and i want it all now. so im sticking with wp7.
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Same thoughts here. Was cooking my own 6.5roms to get a slim and working OS but sinceI got my HD7, I've stop cooking totally because WP7 is very fast and stable for me. Sure there are areas I'm not happy with, but at least, I have more time to live my life now since I stopped cooking roms.
I'm not here to convince anyone to go WP7, each OS has it's pros and cons, and each of us are completely different and see things and have different needs, so we go for different phones, something that works for us.
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Same thoughts here. Was cooking my own 6.5roms to get a slim and working OS but sinceI got my HD7, I've stop cooking totally because WP7 is very fast and stable for me. Sure there are areas I'm not happy with, but at least, I have more time to live my life now since I stopped cooking roms.
I'm not here to convince anyone to go WP7, each OS has it's pros and cons, and each of us are completely different and see things and have different needs, so we go for different phones, something that works for us.
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LOL , you just made a lot of people angry by stopping with cooking rom's .
I think I will stick with wm 6.5 for awhile. I use it as a Mass storage device & tether with it often. I also am really used to using smart dialing which I can't understand why it wasn't added to WP7. I'll wait to a few months after WP7 lands on Sprint to see what the updates have brought & what hackers have opened. If more functionality is available on WP7 I'll get it, if not I'll go with Android when I want to upgrade because of hardware
shouldn't this be in the winmo section???
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There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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I'm going to wait for the 2nd generation of WP7 phones and OS (or at least an OS update or two). I was ready to get a focus, then I realized I'd be losing some features I enjoy on my TP2 (multitasking, tethering, call manager) just to gain a newer OS.
I also want premium hardware and design which the first generation doesn't seem to offer. DVP comes close though.
i switched to android, never looked back
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I'm going to wait for the 2nd generation of WP7 phones and OS (or at least an OS update or two). I was ready to get a focus, then I realized I'd be losing some features I enjoy on my TP2 (multitasking, tethering, call manager) just to gain a newer OS.
I also want premium hardware and design which the first generation doesn't seem to offer. DVP comes close though.
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wait, you are using a plastic phone with a plastic resistive screen and are talking about premium hardware???
There should be another choice "I would celebrate with Dom Perignon!" Please put the 6.5 out of it's misery already!
One thing is sure for me, I will not be joinging the iPhone family.
Possibly Maemo or Androd. Depends what kiind of devices will be out by then.
W7 only if there has been lots of needed updates and/or hacks/roms and such.
Any poll in a specific device forum will always have support for that device.
Poll threads should be in common forum to get a neutral response from ALL, IF the thread starter wants to know EVERYONE's opinion.
Just my 2C
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shouldn't this be in the winmo section???
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Life after WM6.5 to which he refers is precisely WP7. then the correct section!
A little off-topic, but correct!
I found that I was having to flash new ROMs etc to my 6.5 because the UI and features available to a standard WinMo was rubbish. I never liked the 6.5 OS much, I just liked the ability to customise and look deeper into the phone
I am now on WP7 and would never look back on 6.5.
At the moment I don't see I have much choice - Android here I come I think.
The gains in slick simple UI are insufficient in my case to outweigh the loss of functionality vs 6.5.
Many of the other advantages (gaming for example) are of no interest to me on my phone (I am not the target market).
I will stick with 6.5 until at least Phone Alarm is released for Android, then it will become viable for me. Hopefully this will be early 2011.
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:lol: My premium phone standards were set by my SE X1, not the TP2. I would really love to see a WP7 version of the X1. Hopefully the X7 will deliver. But knowing SE, it won't be released until next November.
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:lol: My premium phone standards were set by my SE X1, not the TP2. I would really love to see a WP7 version of the X1. Hopefully the X7 will deliver. But knowing SE, it won't be released until next November.
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Ditto. X1 was excellent.
Currently on X2 which is actually better in many regards.
Anyway, I just hope SE will make it around Feb/March.
So it will catch upgrades which are for me necessary.
And until core apps I use on WM 6.5 will be functional/supported
I can just wait for some time....
I find it hard to believe anyone speaks of the death of WinMo in the present tense. It died for me like 2 1/2 years ago and since then the iPhone has taken over the smartphone market, Android has taken over the spot WM6.5 used to occupy and Microsoft has done practically nothing until very recently. I bought a Focus and I like it, it's a magnitude nicer and easier to use than my old Fuze with WM6.5 and while it's lacking a lot of the functionality, that will come with time and, in the meantime, I don't need to take out my reading glasses and itty bitty cramp inducing stylus to use it. The Fuze is still sitting on my desk, unused, with a noticable layer of dust on it. And there it will sit until I finally tire of looking at it and throw it away. And good riddance!
I cannot speak for anyone but for me, I have been windows mobile user ever since palm treo with windows on it. Before making switch to WP7, my device was Tilt2 and I tweaked the crap out of it putting custom roms and radio to fit my taste. Although having the capability was great but my user experience was not all that great. Something was always wrong and the hardware and software wasn't working correctly, so I was constantly tweaking and tell you the truth I got tired.
I was ready to jump ship to Android with Samsung Captivate but as soon as the WP7 was arriving I decided to wait. Boy I am glad that I did, I am happy with my samsung focus. Although it's missing some functions now but I am sure it's on it's way, the stability and the fact that it just works and I do not have to tweak anything makes my life a lot easier. Could not be more happy with OS. At least so far.
My wife has iphone and looked at android and both are not really appealing to me. Android is not all that great even if with all the customization and tweaking.
I don't think I am a fan of Android. I admit, I was enthused, at first, but after spending a few days playing around with XDAndroid on my Tilt 2, I'm convinced that I'm in no hurry to upgrade my phone. I've been a WinMo user since 2003, so I'm pretty familiar with its strengths and weaknesses and how to overcome most of them. Droid does some things well (reflowing web pages when zooming is one), but it seems more like a Mac to me in the way that a lot of the OS is inaccessible to the user unlike WinMo. As a tinkerer/modder, I feel like WinMo lets me get under the hood easier and better and in more ways. I'm sure my short exposure to Android is probably not unbiased, but I just couldn't find the customizability level that WinMo has built-in to it. It looks good, it worked OK (a bit sluggish, horrendous battery usage and no BT didn't let me really enjoy it), but it just felt too rigid compared to the flexibility I'm used to with WinMo.
I do have to give props to the people behind porting this to work on my Tilt 2. I'm sure it wasn't easy. Thanks to all you developers who share your talents here and on PPCGeeks. Gonna play with it a little more, but I'm no longer feeling any Droid envy.
Well I guess it depends on how you look at it... there's no registry, but there's so many other ways to modify things within Android... After all, the source code is all available, and with a little bit of knowledge you can change anything.
Plus, don't chalk up poor performance and lack of BT to Android... our builds are NOT like native Android phones - don't expect it to be anytime soon either... Perhaps one day we'll get it close, but this phone has a tired old processor. Not many native Android phones have our slow processors & run Froyo
Heck, we'll probably run Gingerbread before 90% of the native Android devices officially get it!
Either way, this is just meant to be tested/had fun with. It's not supposed to replace WinMo
Yeah, I didn't expect it to be a replacement. I'm sure if I invested the time (like I have with WinMo) I would find all kinds of ways to bend Android to my will. I guess I just like what I'm used to better. The Android interface is too iPhone like for my tastes. I like having program groups, not a page full of icons of unrelated programs that I have to scroll through. I like that I have different backgrounds on all my screens and that I can access System items by category instead of scrolling through menu after menu. I did spend some time looking through the Android Market and was impressed by the number of apps, especially free ones, but I've yet to not find an app available for WinMo for the way I use the phone, most of them free, as well. I'm not convinced that Windows Phone 7 is the answer and I will NEVER buy an iPhone, so I will probably end up on some Android phone in the future. At least, thanks to this little preview, I know I don't need to switch anytime soon and can keep using my Tilt 2 until it dies.
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Well I guess it depends on how you look at it... there's no registry, but there's so many other ways to modify things within Android... After all, the source code is all available, and with a little bit of knowledge you can change anything.
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Personally I consider the lack of a registry a -good- thing.
****ing confirmed yihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
F22 said:
Personally I consider the lack of a registry a -good- thing.
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Yeah, I didn't expect it to be a replacement. I'm sure if I invested the time (like I have with WinMo) I would find all kinds of ways to bend Android to my will. I guess I just like what I'm used to better. The Android interface is too iPhone like for my tastes. I like having program groups, not a page full of icons of unrelated programs that I have to scroll through. I like that I have different backgrounds on all my screens and that I can access System items by category instead of scrolling through menu after menu. I did spend some time looking through the Android Market and was impressed by the number of apps, especially free ones, but I've yet to not find an app available for WinMo for the way I use the phone, most of them free, as well. I'm not convinced that Windows Phone 7 is the answer and I will NEVER buy an iPhone, so I will probably end up on some Android phone in the future. At least, thanks to this little preview, I know I don't need to switch anytime soon and can keep using my Tilt 2 until it dies.
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I'm with you 100% there! I still love playing with XDAndroid though... any time I start getting bored with WinMo I come play with it. One thing it did clarify for me is the difference between 'application' (WinMo) and 'app' (Android and IPhone) and I now understand why there are more 'apps' on the market... they're more single purpose where WinMo is more of a 'suite'.
This is not a flame as much as it is a testament to the great dev's here at XDA who work so hard at making these Android ports.
Having been forced to use WinMo due to "company policy" and using an Android device on the "sly", I would take Android over WinMo hands down. That is my personal opinion and choice.
And apparently the DEV's have done a great job at porting over XDAndroid to the TP2/Tilt2 as I noticed Miami_Son's signature now states Samsung Captivate (Android Device) as the primary phone and HTC Tilt 2 as "(going soon)."
I just found some humor in that.
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I don't think I am a fan of Android. I admit, I was enthused, at first, but after spending a few days playing around with XDAndroid on my Tilt 2, I'm convinced that I'm in no hurry to upgrade my phone. I've been a WinMo user since 2003, so I'm pretty familiar with its strengths and weaknesses and how to overcome most of them. Droid does some things well (reflowing web pages when zooming is one), but it seems more like a Mac to me in the way that a lot of the OS is inaccessible to the user unlike WinMo. As a tinkerer/modder, I feel like WinMo lets me get under the hood easier and better and in more ways. I'm sure my short exposure to Android is probably not unbiased, but I just couldn't find the customizability level that WinMo has built-in to it. It looks good, it worked OK (a bit sluggish, horrendous battery usage and no BT didn't let me really enjoy it), but it just felt too rigid compared to the flexibility I'm used to with WinMo.
I do have to give props to the people behind porting this to work on my Tilt 2. I'm sure it wasn't easy. Thanks to all you developers who share your talents here and on PPCGeeks. Gonna play with it a little more, but I'm no longer feeling any Droid envy.
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That's what ive been saying... its a great gimmick, but im just a windows fan at heart. I mean, games are great on it. Its like, if im picking someone up and im waiting for them, just boot up droid. Its like a mini arcade. I like that about it. the fact i can switch over from business to play. But for everyday use, winmo is just soooo much better for me. great interface. sense is a hog, but whatever. I flash my phone daily so I dont notice anything. i get a fraction of the errors with winmo i do with android.
Dont get me wrong, these ports are BADD-EFFIN-ASS!!! I mean just look at them, you can see the amount of time and energy they put into them. And ill continue to use it as an arcade... but a daily driver??? nnaaahhh
winmo=way2go
I too was a long timer with Winmo (since 2003) before they were integrated with phones...blablabla cough cough old school.
I discovered Android through my touchPro2 and was quite impressed how close I could get to Winmo's capabilities. The early versions of the kernel definitely needed to mature for a few years but in my opinion is now up to scratch...
I acquired the desire HD and have just been blown away by the extent of its capabilities like I was with Winmo in the old days.
Integration of apps within the OS actually make it grow stronger rather than stalls it if you guys see where I'm coming from.
What killed Winmo for me was its lack of good memory and screen resolution management.
All I'm eager to see is a good Office suite replacement and maybe TomTom but doesn't mean I can't edit word docx and navigate...(not at the same time of course).
Lastly, let's be real, Microsoft has pulled the plug on Winmo and Devs have moved on... It's almost as if I was still trying to get divx running on my poor Amiga (which I loved so much but had to let go).
That was my humble opinion, hope it will be understood accordingly. (now where is that Amiga emulator, lol)
Dodsin.
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