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to start with here is the official orange uk spec sheet and no mention of the hd film recording, higest is NSTC 720x480 at 30fps
http :// help.orange. co.uk /orangeuk/support/selfservice/hch.jsp
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As for future upgrades, there is 5mp cameras that can record at 720p HD, there is a few out on the market if a now
a 5mp snapper is taking a photo at resolution of 2560x1920, the the hardware is easily able to take a 1080x720 shot ( only need a 0.8mp camera for that resolution ) and it can manage 30fps, and minimum required for HD is 24fps so i dont thing its to much of a challenge on HTC to release the HD recording upgrade, the processor should manage it with ease
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gowm said:
...i dont thing its to much of a challenge on HTC to release the HD recording upgrade
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I wouldn't get my hopes up I'm sure you'll have a new phone by the time any upgrade comes
The video quality is not very good. I was under the impression (from reviews) before I bought my Desire that it would record at close to 30 frames per second (fps), but I'm only getting frame rates of 13 - 16fps which is brutal. My nokia used to record at 28 - 30fps.
Was I wrong to think the Desire would do 30fps? I know the HD recording was not coming etc, but I thought 30fps was standard.
brutal.
It is standard alright. My Nokia N95 8GB from 3 years ago took much smoother videos @30FPS. Hell, even an LG Viewty from 3 years ago can record at 120FPS and that's not even a smartphone.
We're getting 720P recording so i'm assuming they will fix the FPS issue aswell with the video recording. If they don't then I can only imagine how slow 720P recording will be.
I've noticed the same thing and am quite annoyed about it. I've realised through testing that the brighter it is, the higher the fps is. I got it up to 20fps today outside but indoors its more like 10fps even when using lower resolutions. Maybe the reviewers should have tested this rather than just quoting the specs.
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We're getting 720P recording
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what do u mean by this? is it sure that the desire will be able to record videos at 720p?
leoon said:
what do u mean by this? is it sure that the desire will be able to record videos at 720p?
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The Snapdragon CPU supports 720P encoding and decoding hat and apparently HTC confirmed that DivX and 720P recording will be coming to the Desire in an update.
Let's hope they keep their word.
Yeah I agree, the reviewers should have done their homework instead of 'guessing' the stats. I guess they thought it impossible that the Desire could have anything less than 30fps. The Nexus one is listed as 20fps minimum rate. Is it really faster than Desire?
GSM arena who are normally very reliable had 30fps as the Desire recording rate until recently. now its 15fps on their Desire stats page.
I would not even be bothered if HTC don't bring in HD video recording, once they at least bring 30fps at 800x480. I mean its a 1ghz phone with plenty of RAM, this should be a piece of pie for it to handle. My nokia had a 300mhz chip and 128mb of RAM and did it no problem. (640x480 @ 30fps)
Well personall I think the video recording is pretty good. Its definately better than my old Xperia X1.
10 - 15fps is 'passable' but not very good in real world terms. Certainly not on a cutting edge 1ghz phone thats capable (hardware wise) of recording 720p at 30fps. I used to get 30fps video from my old N82 and its more fluid than on the Desire. As I say, its passable on Desire, but I think 30fps is pretty much the accepted minimum for the past while. Lets hope it comes in an update.
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Let's hope they keep their word.
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Well, hope dies last. HTC and their word... Have a look at Hero topic, and search for the so called 2.1 update for Hero. Shame on HTC!
Sorry for the offtopc.
Hero update is near, as a matter of fact (tweet this week from HTC Benelux director).
I think this is a software limitation slowing the exposure on low light to brighten the image. it'd be nice to be able to adjust this feature though.
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well personall i think the video recording is pretty good. Its definately better than my old xperia x1.
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can u upload on youtube any samples as i am thinking of updating to desire from x1 as well in a week's time
there are alot of Desire made videos on youtube already. just do a search. They look 'ok', some of them, but the original files are still only about 16 - 18 fps at best! 30fps nakes the video seem more fluid. You'd really need to compare side by side to see the difference I mean. (I attached 30fps nokia clip at bottom. WOW for the difference. very obvious)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnxcfjq3QvE (desire at 15fps)
and another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnRpOSP0U-o (desire at 15fps)
and now compare to the lower res 640x480 Nokia but filmed at almost double frame rate of 30fps. Very fluid and sharp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojt5LS4LFZc (Nokia X6 at 30fps)
I think alot of people will be impressed and happy enough with this level of video recording. I was just irked as I expected 30fps and thought that was pretty much the minimum on new phones now.
thx . i think the vid qlty is gud on desire .... hmmmm .... better than x1 anywayz by the looks of it
My N95 8GB outperforms the Desire in video recording. What's the point in a high res video camera if it records at 15fps?
I get 12fps indoors... haven't seen higher in over 50 recordings. Colour reproduction is also off. N95 sure does beat the pants off it in this area.
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How do you tell what frames per second you're getting? Can't seem to find anything in the phone that will tell me.
Well now there is root acces. So this means we can put custom roms on our decvice and/or we can adjust the build.prop so we can also adjust the camera settings...
Personally I think there is no need to worry. Just have patience
Cheers Bart. Patience it is.
Meson1 I use a codec analyser like 'gspot' to look at the details and properties of the video files. If you use Windows 7 you can also just click on the file in explorer and it displays the frame rate and associated details at the bottom of screen.
Its easier to just long press the video and select details to see the frame rate and other info.
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What do you think, is HTC going to give us some of that HD recording goodness? If they don't sure enough someone here is going to figure a way to port it
2.2 will bring HD
Froyo HD lol
720 should be implimented, it will definately boost sales with a feature like that in a camera phone
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What do you think, is HTC going to give us some of that HD recording goodness? If they don't sure enough someone here is going to figure a way to port it
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we already know the desire is capible of 720p video recording, once we get our new radio with froyo is shud be pretty simple
I saw the news in http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/droid-incredible-ota-update-said-to-be-bringing-mobile-hotspot/ and really got exited that there is a good chance that we gonna see 720p video recording on our desires.
btw I saw a difference between Desire's and Incredible's camera - the later has a 8 megapixels camera. I know this won't stop htc to put hd video recording in desire, but it is a reason not to. Let's hope not.
HD is useless unless FPS can stay at 25+ ALL THE TIME regardless of light conditions.
Audio quality should be vastly improved, ditch the 2005-ish AMR-codec...
Bitrate for video should at least be doubled to get rid of blocking...
the 5 Mgb camera is 720P capable ...
When a Device doesn't record @ 720 it's because of it's CPU , and since the snapdragon is capable of that , then WE would get it via update...
( as the nexus one did )
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I saw the news in http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/droid-incredible-ota-update-said-to-be-bringing-mobile-hotspot/ and really got exited that there is a good chance that we gonna see 720p video recording on our desires.
btw I saw a difference between Desire's and Incredible's camera - the later has a 8 megapixels camera. I know this won't stop htc to put hd video recording in desire, but it is a reason not to. Let's hope not.
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Devs have already got 720p video recording working one the nexus one with froyo and we have exactly the same camera as them
720p is just a number, I'd prefer 480p with higher quality...
Hd videos from nexus one doesn't look so stunning, the camera sensor just sucks... and I think it's the same as on our Desire.
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720p is just a number, I'd prefer 480p with higher quality...
Hd videos from nexus one doesn't look so stunning, the camera sensor just sucks... and I think it's the same as on our Desire.
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for starters 420p dosent qualify as hi def and 2nd its more than just a number it denotes the amount of pixels 720p = 1280x720 witch is obviously a much higher quality/resolution than 420p (704x480) so wtf lol
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for starters 420p dosent qualify as hi def and 2nd its more than just a number it denotes the amount of pixels 720p = 1280x720 witch is obviously a much higher quality/resolution than 420p (704x480) so wtf lol
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let me try and put it a bit different,
me, and the op, would rather have GOOD SD quality than crappy HD, people tend to asume that HD is all about the resolution, it's not, it's a lot more about bit rate.
say you have [email protected] and [email protected], witch one is going to look better? 480p, why? cos you are using 8mbit to store less pixel so less compression, to call something HD in my book you need 1080/720p, and at least 12 mbit for 720p, and 18 Mbit for 1080p
Hm idont quiet agree with you.
HD IS (not ALL!) about resolution. Thats why today everything with HD sells. People see HD, and think its great. But as you said its more about the image quality itself.
But its not a very fair comparison between 480 and 720p you made. SUre 480 looks better, but on a smaller screen (with native res.) but if you have a bigger screen, 480p has to bee scaled up, or stretched and then it looks maybe identical or even worse to the 720p Video.
Not to say that i would appreciate the innovation that the Desire gets 720p recording at a very usable bitrate :/
I hope you get my point, since im german and caged in foreign language
/Dev
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Hm idont quiet agree with you.
HD IS (not ALL!) about resolution. Thats why today everything with HD sells. People see HD, and think its great. But as you said its more about the image quality itself.
But its not a very fair comparison between 480 and 720p you made. SUre 480 looks better, but on a smaller screen (with native res.) but if you have a bigger screen, 480p has to bee scaled up, or stretched and then it looks maybe identical or even worse to the 720p Video.
Not to say that i would appreciate the innovation that the Desire gets 720p recording at a very usable bitrate :/
I hope you get my point, since im german and caged in foreign language
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exactly and 480p is a lower res than the native res on our device lol
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let me try and put it a bit different,
me, and the op, would rather have GOOD SD quality than crappy HD, people tend to asume that HD is all about the resolution, it's not, it's a lot more about bit rate.
say you have [email protected] and [email protected], witch one is going to look better? 480p, why? cos you are using 8mbit to store less pixel so less compression, to call something HD in my book you need 1080/720p, and at least 12 mbit for 720p, and 18 Mbit for 1080p
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Agreed. I'm also concerned about the amount of FPS we could get .. anything below 20-25 and HD is useless me thinks ..
[email protected]@10mbit would be fine by me if h.264 was used, but h264 on the fly is a bit too much for snapdragon, so h.263 and a bit rate of say 12 mbit would be ok... but then you would need a very good sd card... about scaling you will almost never get 1:1 pixel mapping... tv's tend to have 1368x768 or 1920x1080, pc monitors are also over 720p.
its not a video recorded it's a phone, and if it gets a half decent support for video we should be happy but i don't expect anything from that,
i like big sensors, a 5 mpx dslr is 10 times better than a 15 mpx point and shoot camera, why? sensor size. phones are just too small to be good
http://www.androidcentral.com/could-be-froyo-android-22-version-htc-sense
Some "evidence" of the coming 720p... (and sense plus froyo)
just check out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684518&page=2
its a mod here that has it
Just about an hour ago, I have upgraded my HTC Desire to Froyo 2.2. So I have quickly done a 720p video recording, and compare to iPhone 4.
The result (data taken from QuickTime player):
Movie FPS: HTC Desire (16.37), iPhone 4 (29.54)
Data Rate: HTC Desire (7.42 mbits/sec), iPhone 4 (10.44 mbits/sec)
Yupe. I tested 720p and it is not good.
I don't have iPhone 4, so I cannot compare.
I hope the 480p of HTC Desire is getting better. I prefer 480p if I can get good fps.
Can you test 480p with your tool above?
What about this clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLmvRSxgtd8
Running at 30 fps
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What about this clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLmvRSxgtd8
Running at 30 fps
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Well, it is running Froyo (r5 MoDaCo), not the stock HTC Froyo...
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Yupe. I tested 720p and it is not good.
I don't have iPhone 4, so I cannot compare.
I hope the 480p of HTC Desire is getting better. I prefer 480p if I can get good fps.
Can you test 480p with your tool above?
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The 480p now supports H.264. It looked super smooth from what I did a quick test of.
The 480p seems much better using MPEG4 than H264, in H264 there is more tearing during fast motion and some artifacts.
What a shame. Had high hopes for HTC's 720p implementation
And the same s***e audio too...
Surely the desire has the hardware to support 720p at almost 30fps.
Who does HTC's code for christ sake!
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Surely the desire has the hardware to support 720p at almost 30fps.
Who does HTC's code for christ sake!
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If I record inside with low light my FPS is 12.
Filming outside through a window made it 22FPS.
I am not surprised by the low quality of the camcorder. I kinda expected that. As opposed to doinbox, I don't think the camera of the Desire is capable of 30fps in such high resolutions (especially when I know what it is capable of in lower resolutions). Well, maybe if there are sufficient lightning conditions... Don't know It's already dusk here so I can't test it outside.
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If I record inside with low light my FPS is 12.
Filming outside through a window made it 22FPS.
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But seriously that isnt acceptable. If, lets say, when the desire was first released it was advertised as supporting 720p video recording and you went out and bought it only to find it had poor framerates you would think it was broke. You wouldnt buy a tv that said it could support 1080p video but only at 22fps its ridiculous really. The Desire probably with alot of time and effort could record 1080p at 30fps. But it seems they don't want to spend the time in achieving this.
Which really annoys me!
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I am not surprised by the low quality of the camcorder. I kinda expected that. As opposed to doinbox, I don't think the camera of the Desire is capable of 30fps in such high resolutions (especially when I know what it is capable of in lower resolutions). Well, maybe if there are sufficient lightning conditions... Don't know It's already dusk here so I can't test it outside.
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The Hardware in the desire is much more powerful than what you would find in a 5 megapixel digital camera that can record 1080p video at 30fps.
http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/hddv-pocket-camcorder-digital-video-camera-1080p/
Check this link its a pocket HD camcorder. Im sure it has terrible hardware inside yet it can record 1080p at 30fps. So what would make you think the desire can't do it.
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The Hardware in the desire is much more powerful than what you would find in a 5 megapixel digital camera that can record 1080p video at 30fps.
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I just hope its true If it is then we should expect more from Gingerbread
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http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/hddv-pocket-camcorder-digital-video-camera-1080p/
Check this link its a pocket HD camcorder. Im sure it has terrible hardware inside yet it can record 1080p at 30fps. So what would make you think the desire can't do it.
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We had to wait till Android 2.2 for us to get 720p. Perhaps it's not the hardware, but the software that is the limitation.
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We had to wait till Android 2.2 for us to get 720p. Perhaps it's not the hardware, but the software that is the limitation.
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That's what I'm saying the hardware does support it but HTC are just not putting the hours into coding for us to get 30+fps.
could a higher class microSD Card possibly make any difference? I'm a bit disappointed myself especially when the picture quality itself is brilliant for a mobile device
I doubt that the FPS problem is CPU related. It's more likely an I/O bottleneck in the camera hardware or driver.
Couldn't it be optics quality related? It is a tiny lens after all, and if we get 22fps in sunlight but 16fps indoors, then surely that implies issues caused by the camera needing a slow shutter speed to cope with low light. I think it's fixed aperture so all it has to work with is shutter speed (and therefore fps) and sensitivity...
@NixC
That could well be the case. However, the amount by which frame rates seem to vary between ROMs and codecs suggests that there might still room for improvement beneath the limiting factor of the optics.
As we all know the FPS on the Desire is terrible at 720p recording and pretty shocking on 800x480 recording in bad light.
I tried a Samsung Wave, and even its 720p recording was better than the Desire.
Surely, there's a way for you amazing developers on XDA to somehow limit the framerate (force minimum framerate) on the video camera right?
Since non of the cooks from various custom ROMs has made any significant difference in the HD recording, I suppose it has something to do with the codecs that have been chosen by HTC to support the HD recording and ofcourse wether it has been optimized to run smoothly on our Snapdragons.. I am eager to see the HD samples of the Sense 2.0 interface.. If i can judge by a youtube video which claimed to be recorded from the Desire Z.. we should have a fu***ing awesome HD feature on our way
*note* except of the perfect framerates i saw on the video.. the audio was excelent too! not even close to the crap we have now...
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Since non of the cooks from various custom ROMs has made any significant difference in the HD recording, I suppose it has something to do with the codecs that have been chosen by HTC to support the HD recording and ofcourse wether it has been optimized to run smoothly on our Snapdragons.. I am eager to see the HD samples of the Sense 2.0 interface.. If i can judge by a youtube video which claimed to be recorded from the Desire Z.. we should have a fu***ing awesome HD feature on our way
*note* except of the perfect framerates i saw on the video.. the audio was excelent too! not even close to the crap we have now...
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its simply because of our gpu, it dosent have the power to encode 720p proply .... the samsung hummingbird even tho the cpu is the same clockspeed, the power VR gpu that it usually comes with is far more powerfull than adreno, the desire z uses the 2nd generation of snapdragon, and has a much better gpu than us
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its simply because of our gpu, it dosent have the power to encode 720p proply .... the samsung hummingbird even tho the cpu is the same clockspeed, the power VR gpu that it usually comes with is far more powerfull than adreno, the desire z uses the 2nd generation of snapdragon, and has a much better gpu than us
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I suppose you are right.. but hope dies last.. maybe HTC will pull an ace out of its sleeve and optimize the HD video recording.. at least make it more smooth and with better audio even if its not truly 720p..
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