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I am so tired of specs right now because the more you know the more you sink in to the mud-hole. Give me something that I can "touch", "see" & "feel" as better.
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My current 2 of 3 phones:
1. iphone 3g has 412Mhz processor.
2. Pure has 528Mhz processor
3. iphone 3g has 2 Megapixel camera
4. Pure has 5 Megapixel camera
But does it run faster or take better pictures? NO
For picture quality comparison of the 3g vs pure, See here
Note: my 3rd phone is the iphone 3GS.
So F*k the specs.
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Hei, easy tiger
Why do you rant about Pure vs iPhone here? Take it somewhere else ...j/k.
You are right, at the end, it is not the hardware spec, but "user experience".
That is (user experience) what Microsoft currently is trying to bring with their new product, WP7S.
You know, it is a "new" product. It does not even exist yet (purchaseable).
Still a lot of questions unanswered (which you will have some more clues after MIX10).
So, take it easy
Btw, about "that actually works" ... that's really depend on the user, the person who use the device.
Some users want to have full access to the device, OS, hardware, hack this, hack that, fully-super-duper-multitasking, bunch of sensors.
Some users just want to use the phone as it is ... enough with web browser, play youtube, facebook, twitter and email.
Some users just want to use the phone ... you know, for calling someone else
Like my wife, she is using Touch Dual. Why? Because she hates touch phone! Yupe, she hates iPhone, and all "latest" Windows Mobile devices.
She likes to use the phone for ... calling me and her friends, playing Solitaire (that's all) and occasionally using the TomTom 6 for navigation.
My other friend bought HTC Touch Diamond 2 and she does not have any clue. She "asked" why I have to re-charge the battery every afternoon?
I looked into her phone and I saw bunch of apps running in the background: Contact, Fring, ActiveSync, SMS ...
I told her, you must close those! She again asked "Why? Cant they close them self automatically?"
I said "Sometimes, no" ... and I could not continue. I told her husband to put custom ROM ... bla bla (of course they cant do it!).
For my wife, the HTC Touch Dual "does works", big time.
For my friend, the HTC Touch Diamond 2 "does not work" (They are now thinking to switch to iPhone).
Although HTC Touch Dual is way less spec wise!
Since I had a Touch HD and done lots of comparison shots to the iPhone 3G, I am sure the Pure's camera is actually quite a bit better.
The Pure is certainly not faster, though, and definitely less fluid. The MHz count of the Pure's processor is misleading, as it is really quite slow. Plus, Windows Mobile doesn't have nice animations and fluid physics - it has ugly screen redrawing (though it's actually not slower than iPhone OS, but a lot less fluid).
Anyway,
specs do matter. The problem is, you never get to know all the specs. The MHz and Mpixel numbers simply aren't ebough to say whether a processor is fast or a camera chip is good.
There are lots of other factors involved. But they won't tell you the "performace per clock" numbers or the "light sensitivity" and size of the camera sensor.
So, it's not that specs don't matter, it's just that you don't get to know the numbers that actually do matter. What can you do? Well, I know it's hard, but you actually have to inform yourself as much as you can, so that reading spec sheets will give you the knowledge you need before buying a device.
And you have to try for yourself. And I know it's hard, often you don't get the possibility to try a handset without buying it, and reviews usually don't give enough information, especially if you care about "small features" that usually don't get talked about in reviews.
So, keep cool
Specs can be misleading, but only because regular people don't look behind the raw numbers and have no clue about what really counts. But that doesn't mean phone makers should take away the spec sheets... some users do know what really counts, and spec sheets help them a lot to make their desicion.
Actually, they're helpful more often than not, e.g. I know Snapdragon, Cortex and ARMv7 mean "faaaast". Regular people may not know that, but it won't hurt them to read "Snapdragon" on the spec sheet either. Because in the end, they'll always have to try the phones for themselves (or at least try to get enough info from reviews).
How do you think companies can give you something to "touch", "see" & "feel"? Free try&buy devices? Not going to happen. Spec sheets give at least some hints, since there's no better alternative. And if you do your homework, they will be quite helpful
Calm down... nothing to rant about here
Thanks for the warm note my friend.....
I am a spec guy myself, but I feel as if I was cheated/scammed this time, partly because I am not a mobile device person, and definitely was not aware of this crazy MSM and ARM differences. Now I know....ha ha
Now as far as the camera goes, I know quite a bit as I am in it for a few years now, enough to say that megapixels are just the tip of the iceberg. Higher megapixel within the same sensor family is better, but then there are chips that provide better pictures at the same or less megapixels. i.e. CMOS vs. CCD . On top of that, there is the lens and the processing engine to add on to it.
The camera software in the Pure is not very good. I will tell you that. It takes quite some time for it to find the right white balance under room lighted conditions. The iphone is pretty good/better at that.
The camera software in the Pure is not very good. I will tell you that.
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I know. It's quite bad, actually. That's what I hated about my Touch HD. But nevertheless, my HD took much better pictures than the iPhone 3G (in most cases, at least). I'm sure that's also the case with the Pure.
When it comes to cellphone cameras, however, spec sheets are mostly useless.
They never tell you about anything other than the Mpixel number - which of course means nothing (though I wouldn't want to have less than 5).
The camera is very important to me. Reviews are mostly useless, because they never make direct comparisons under the same conditions. I end up buying several phones, comparing the cameras, and then selling them again... crazy, but that's all I can do
The HD2's camera is actually the first smartphone camera I would be satisfied with - if I could make the flash not overexpose everything that's less than 3m away
seed_al said:
I know. It's quite bad, actually. That's what I hated about my Touch HD. But nevertheless, my HD took much better pictures than the iPhone 3G (in most cases, at least). I'm sure that's also the case with the Pure.
When it comes to cellphone cameras, however, spec sheets are mostly useless.
They never tell you about anything other than the Mpixel number - which of course means nothing (though I wouldn't want to have less than 5).
The camera is very important to me. Reviews are mostly useless, because they never make direct comparisons under the same conditions. I end up buying several phones, comparing the cameras, and then selling them again... crazy, but that's all I can do
The HD2's camera is actually the first smartphone camera I would be satisfied with - if I could make the flash not overexpose everything that's less than 3m away
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Flash overexpose - now if only they would provide TTL flash intensity control. Goodness....
2M vs 5M
My LG-VU actually took much better pictures than the iphone 3G and Pure. The only problem was that you would not realize that until you transferred it to your PC, courtesy of the crappy resistive plasticky screen.
I still have it. Maybe I will use it as a camera only
Cameras... bleh. All smartphone cameras are awful.
But I do have to agree here: Even though one phone may have a snapdragon processor, and the iPhone may have a 412mhz processor, the iPhone navigates so much faster.
Of course, I know the reason for this, but it certainly does make me hope that Microsoft sorts this out with WP7S.
(Though, never, EVER, would I buy anything that supports Apple...)
EDIT: Also, I've had lots of people say that my Touch Pro's screen was "less sensitive/accurate than iPod/iPhone's". Even though I've tried to explain it, the average user just doesn't get it.
Even though one phone may have a snapdragon processor, and the iPhone may have a 412mhz processor, the iPhone navigates so much faster.
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No way
It's not going to beat a Snapdragon phone.
The iPhone 3G isn't that fast, actually. It's barely faster than the QCOM MSM phones, but of course much more smooth/fluid (and that despite it has 100MHz less).
Smartphone cameras? Yes, they're not good. But I'm not going to buy a dumbphone because of the camera.
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Even though one phone may have a snapdragon processor, and the iPhone may have a 412mhz processor, the iPhone navigates so much faster.
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You won't say that once you gets your hands on a HD2 (with or without custom rom I might add). It's probably the 1st (and last) HTC WinMo 6.5 phone with enough grunt to power thru practically anything. The only reason why an iPhone might feel faster is because it presents you with a flashy animation before actually loading up the app. WM phones don't do this.
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EDIT: Also, I've had lots of people say that my Touch Pro's screen was "less sensitive/accurate than iPod/iPhone's"
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Used to have a Touch HD and preferred resistive touchscreens. Several months with a HD2 changed my mind I do think resistive touchscreens are actually more accurate though, I can touch-type way faster on my HD than I can on the HD2. But that could just be a Wm 6.5 limitation.
Ok. here's the deal. CCD sensors are more noisy and most HTC camera probably use CCD sensor given the noise in low light pictures.
after researching a bit, I found out that the iphone uses CMOS sensors which actually produce a smoother, less noisy picture. No wonder.....my eyes can see the difference.
fyi...Canon uses CMOS sensors across it's line of decent to high end digital cameras, a big reason why it leads the market.
update: i also just found out that the HD2 uses a CMOS sensor too. no wonder u hd2 owners love the picture quality of the hd2.
seed_al said:
No way
It's not going to beat a Snapdragon phone.
The iPhone 3G isn't that fast, actually. It's barely faster than the QCOM MSM phones, but of course much more smooth/fluid (and that despite it has 100MHz less).
Smartphone cameras? Yes, they're not good. But I'm not going to buy a dumbphone because of the camera.
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I'm not referring to the speed, I'm referring to the navigatability (and how "fluid" it is).
Of course, I always laugh when I see the animations on someone's iPhone, because it really does make it seem like the app loads faster than it does (Hint to Microsoft?).
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Ok. here's the deal. CCD sensors are more noisy and most HTC camera probably use CCD sensor given the noise in low light pictures.
after researching a bit, I found out that the iphone uses CMOS sensors which actually produce a smoother, less noisy picture. No wonder.....my eyes can see the difference.
fyi...Canon uses CMOS sensors across it's line of decent to high end digital cameras, a big reason why it leads the market.
update: i also just found out that the HD2 uses a CMOS sensor too. no wonder u hd2 owners love the picture quality of the hd2.
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Then check again.
CCD was always superior to CMOS and probably will be for a long time(that is why they use it in science).
Almost all mobile phones(there are only few that use CCD - mostly in japan) today use CMOS sensors because they're cheaper.
Basically mobile phones are mostly using 1/3.2" sensors if not smaller and at that size CCD would offer better picture quality and low light sensitivity but would be bigger so the phone would be bigger that is why ODM's are using CMOS sensors.
More expensive CMOS sensors are used in DSLR's but show me just one P&S camera that uses CMOS.
So both HTC(all HTC's) and iphone use CMOS sensors but probably from different manufacturers hence the difference in quality and noise level.
So once and for all. For mobile use CCD would be better but it is bigger and not as cheap as CMOS sensor. In high end DSLR market it is not so clear that is why both CCD and CMOS sensors are used.
I am back to fk the specs....
It appears that at this time, there is no clear defining line between CCD and CMOS. both are very competitive, both offering it's own advantages, strengths and weaknesses.
CMOS is the future
Canon making CMOS for compact cameras
Turns out that Canon surprised everyone with its amazing CMOS
technology. Imagine that surprise that its CMOS sensor has a much
better noise performance than any known CCDs. Even Phil Askey said
the image was "silky smooth" - some wondered, "it looks too smooth,
some details must have been removed" but a closer examination found
no evidence.
Link
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haha
chiks19018 said:
I am back to fk the specs....
It appears that at this time, there is no clear defining line between CCD and CMOS. both are very competitive, both offering it's own advantages, strengths and weaknesses.
CMOS is the future
Canon making CMOS for compact cameras
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I never said CMOS was worse for DSLR. On the contrary I admitted that today both CMOS and CCD fair well in DSLR's. Considering the size of the sensor low light sensitivity seems to be equal between the two.
What I meant is that for small sizes CCD is best(almost all point&shoot cameras) and mobile phones where unfortunately manufacturers decide to use cheaper CMOS sensors - remember that there are better CMOS used in high end cameras and cheap ones used in mobile phones and PC cameras. Unfortunately we get cheap sensors in our mobile phones.
I think he reason why they are making the spec's high is because they want everything to touch and feel better. So why f*** the specs? I'm pretty sure that's going to be important. You put a 538mhz proc in a WP7 it's probably not going to want to move.
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I never said CMOS was worse for DSLR. On the contrary I admitted that today both CMOS and CCD fair well in DSLR's. Considering the size of the sensor low light sensitivity seems to be equal between the two.
What I meant is that for small sizes CCD is best(almost all point&shoot cameras) and mobile phones where unfortunately manufacturers decide to use cheaper CMOS sensors - remember that there are better CMOS used in high end cameras and cheap ones used in mobile phones and PC cameras. Unfortunately we get cheap sensors in our mobile phones.
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chill man, I am not arguing with you, nor I am putting you down. In fact I liked your post. made me do some more research!
The specs that the phone companies provide are like a girl saying she wears DD bra size.
When you take it off you realize that it was padded on a B size
OMG I just solved the flash exposure issue with a new driver from HTC!!
Wow that feels good! What a great camera phone I have now!!
Sorry, guys, for being OT, but I'm so happy^^
*LOL* ..... Thanks for that! I got a good laugh
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The specs that the phone companies provide are like a girl saying she wears DD bra size.
When you take it off you realize that it was padded on a B size
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So I've done some basic research on phone components out there that could truly create an AMAZING WP7 phone, while still staying within realistic terms, and here's what I've come up with (I'm giving explanations for each aspect in parentheses):
The ultimate WP7 would be a 4.7in (Can still fit in your pocket comfortably, while giving you a perfect view of the 1080P definition of your screen) HTC Touch Pro 3 (because its predecessor truly is the best combination of practicality and entertainment) with a dual-core 1.5ghz snapdragon processor (It has a release date set for Q4 2010, but will probably be moved to Q1 2011), 1024mb RAM (It's very rare to find a phone with this spec, but it is by no means unrealistic), a fourth chassis spec for a physical gamepad along with the physical keyboard with tilt (the actual keyboard would slide down, and the game pad would appear on the left and right of the screen by separation of the landscape physical keyboard while it's not in a slide down position, with an analog stick on the left, and four action keys on the right (Definitely the most unrealistic part of this phone description )), a 12 megapixel camera (nothing new in a phone) with HD video, 64 GB of Micro SD enabled (...), and at least 6 hours of talk time along with 48 hours standby (with the dual-core of the snapdragon processor users can expect a significant reduction in battery consumption since the cores are independent of each other) all on the Windows Phone 7 UI.
It’s a mouthful, but it’s almost enough to bring tears to my eyes… lol not really, but just make the phone HTC, and significantly loosen your hardware requirements Microsoft
Do you guys have a different definition of what makes the ultimate WP7 phone?
4.7in!
Thats insain, the HD2 is considered large enough (if not slight too big) 4 would surfice
dual 1.5Ghz snap dragon? really, since smartphones are working away from multitasking due to instability issues its unlikely to make much of a difference, but will happily take the core reduction and lower power consumption! 1080p is an insainly high res as well, im sure it will look good as an advertising milestone but with such high DPI i think you'll find it hard to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p infact i believe you would need to have your device 6inchs from your eyes to see 1080p at standard DPI, to detect the differences when you take in to account the significantly higher DPI you would need to have the phone on the end of your nose, viewing angles would require the device to be nearer 10inchs. not that id turn it down but its not a big deal
what i want is a 45nm 1.5ghz snapdragon, ~4in display using 65k or 16m bit depth, no more than 8mp camera, (12 on such as small lens would be **** or at best no improvment) a propper graphics core with its drivers!
Ill stick with the gig of RAM but suggest an internal 64GB storage and a SD expansion, multiband support so i can make it work everywhere! 4G would be handy if networks ever upgrade, everything else can be the same as the HD2 because that is the king just now! oh, you can keep your keyboard but what would be cool is a docking station that projects a keyboard on to a table
as for the OS, well to be honest unless the Gods on here unlock WP7 ill keep my 6.5.5
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The ultimate WP7 would be a 4.7in (Can still fit in your pocket comfortably, while giving you a perfect view of the 1080P definition of your screen)
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I've held the Droid X in my hand and the biggest downside to that phone, I see, is the size. Its huge!
Also, 4.7 inches just to view 1080p? With many 32" TVs out there you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p. With that in mind, 720p HD resolution won't make more difference than an SD video so you can be sure that 1080p won't be anything more than a selling point.
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I've held the Droid X in my hand and the biggest downside to that phone, I see, is the size. Its huge!
Also, 4.7 inches just to view 1080p? With many 32" TVs out there you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p. With that in mind, 720p HD resolution won't make more difference than an SD video so you can be sure that 1080p won't be anything more than a selling point.
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I think the important part would be how well it records... Also, if I don't have to do any converting so it plays on a given device then all the better - even if it's not really usable on the phone. I may hook the phone up to a friends TV while visiting. So, there is potential for use, even beyond a selling point.
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4.7in!
Thats insain, the HD2 is considered large enough (if not slight too big) 4 would surfice
dual 1.5Ghz snap dragon? really, since smartphones are working away from multitasking due to instability issues its unlikely to make much of a difference, but will happily take the core reduction and lower power consumption! 1080p is an insainly high res as well, im sure it will look good as an advertising milestone but with such high DPI i think you'll find it hard to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p infact i believe you would need to have your device 6inchs from your eyes to see 1080p at standard DPI, to detect the differences when you take in to account the significantly higher DPI you would need to have the phone on the end of your nose, viewing angles would require the device to be nearer 10inchs. not that id turn it down but its not a big deal
what i want is a 45nm 1.5ghz snapdragon, ~4in display using 65k or 16m bit depth, no more than 8mp camera, (12 on such as small lens would be **** or at best no improvment) a propper graphics core with its drivers!
Ill stick with the gig of RAM but suggest an internal 64GB storage and a SD expansion, multiband support so i can make it work everywhere! 4G would be handy if networks ever upgrade, everything else can be the same as the HD2 because that is the king just now! oh, you can keep your keyboard but what would be cool is a docking station that projects a keyboard on to a table
as for the OS, well to be honest unless the Gods on here unlock WP7 ill keep my 6.5.5
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MS isn't allowing 3rd-party multi-tasking at this time, but will do it with stock parts of the OS - so even if there isn't support for other programs you'll still use it (but I'm willing to bet that there will be support at some time).
The ARM spec that the chip is based on includes the 4G component. You'll probably need a provider patch / software update, but it's in the 1.5 GHz dual core snapdragon.
The GPU is also in there, and although not as good as others I've read about, still is nothing to scoff at
For me though, the bigger the better when it comes to the screen. I'm looking for an all-in-one device that goes everywhere. If I need a better camera, I'll grab mine. A better video camera, I'll grab mine. A better portable computer, I'll grab mine. But my next phone will certainly be my GPS, Music Player, and of course, phone.
I also like the slide out keyboard, if for no other reason than no wasted screen real estate.
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what would be cool is a docking station that projects a keyboard on to a table
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That would be a pretty sweet deal, but I think we're looking at at least 2020 for projection keyboards
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That would be a pretty sweet deal, but I think we're looking at at least 2020 for projection keyboards
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Actually, there are projection keyboards out now and they've been around since the beginning of this decade. All though I'm not sure how good this technology is now.
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Actually, there are projection keyboards out now and they've been around since the beginning of this decade. All though I'm not sure how good this technology is now.
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Are you serious? So you mean I can actually sit down with my computer and if I have the proper platform I could type on a projected keyboard that would disappear when I turned off the platform? Because that would be pretty amazing.
Yep, the keyboards that are outthere emit a light onto the surface and via infrared, "feels" your touch of the projected key just llike hitting an actual keyboard. Find online...
I'd like to have a 4" device with a landscape 5 row querty keyboard, a touch pro 3 but bigger then the current touch pro2 and thinner. As far as the internal go, I'd love to have high end but I'll settle with the base seeing how everythings going to be performanced based on that.
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Yep, the keyboards that are outthere emit a light onto the surface and via infrared, "feels" your touch of the projected key just llike hitting an actual keyboard. Find online...
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Now that is very intresting...hmm i wonder how it feels not to have any key feedback, need to look in to that, i can see a bluetooth projector for computers and PDAs being hugely useful...asuming it works that is!
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Yep, the keyboards that are outthere emit a light onto the surface and via infrared, "feels" your touch of the projected key just llike hitting an actual keyboard. Find online...
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Yeah, but I wouldn't want to buy into this technology until it evolves so that the user can also feel the touch of the keys of the projected keyboard. And I'm not talking about a simple vibration, I would actually want to feel as if I'm typing on a real keyboard. That type of technology will definitely not be available until at least 2018
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the specs for the new HTC HD3, sounds perfect to me! Can't wait to get my hands on one...
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the specs for the new HTC HD3, sounds perfect to me! Can't wait to get my hands on one...
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anyone wanna pop the bubble?
Here
is the link
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/351797/leaked_htc_hd3_smartphone_revealed/
Not sure how true it is, but sounds good to me...
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is the link
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/351797/leaked_htc_hd3_smartphone_revealed/
Not sure how true it is, but sounds good to me...
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Awwwwhhh, I thought it said DUAL-CORE 1.5 ghz processor, that almost made me want to buy the phone, even though it lacks a physical keyboard with tilt (Which is a MAJOR dealbreaker for me)
Besides what is up with all of these HTC HD promotions, how come there are no Touch Pro 3 announcements. HTC is being very narrowminded not promoting a phone that could actually distinguish itself from the iphone in terms of hardware (and I'm talking about more than just a bigger screen...)
I just
love the big screen, with the screen even bigger it's got my wallet! Just not sure about this new windows 7...hopefully we get to test it somehow before purchasing.
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I'd like to have a 4" device with a landscape 5 row querty keyboard, a touch pro 3 but bigger then the current touch pro2 and thinner. As far as the internal go, I'd love to have high end but I'll settle with the base seeing how everythings going to be performanced based on that.
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specs etc...don't care...wp7 should run smoothly on any device running wp7...
i'm being cpt. obvious
I'm a writer. I write about cell phones. I've used all of the WP7 phones. The best one is the Samsung Focus. That's my opinion. It has by far the best display. the right size screen and the best form factor. It's well made despite the rap that it's plastic. The plastic on this phone and the build quality are excellent. The HD7 is heavy. The start button is awkward and the display is pitiful. The HTC Surround is bulky, housing a speaker that virtually nobody uses. The LG Optimus is a nice phone, but it's heavy and small. The screen is narrow. The HTC Mozart is very nice. It's smaller and the display is nowhere near the Focus. It has a better camera than the others. This is my take. I've had several takes on all of them. The Focus wins.
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I'm a writer. I write about cell phones. I've used all of the WP7 phones. The best one is the Samsung Focus. That's my opinion. It has by far the best display. the right size screen and the best form factor. It's well made despite the rap that it's plastic. The plastic on this phone and the build quality are excellent. The HD7 is heavy. The start button is awkward and the display is pitiful. The HTC Surround is bulky, housing a speaker that virtually nobody uses. The LG Optimus is a nice phone, but it's heavy and small. The screen is narrow. The HTC Mozart is very nice. It's smaller and the display is nowhere near the Focus. It has a better camera than the others. This is my take. I've had several takes on all of them. The Focus wins.
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Really, I don't find the HD7 heavy at all. Matter of fact, I would say a couple of inches more than the HD7 would make the perfect phone!
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Really, I don't find the HD7 heavy at all. Matter of fact, I would say a couple of inches more than the HD7 would make the perfect phone!
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I agree, I find the heft to be reassuring, not overly heavy. But I've also had the tp2 and hd2.
List of complaints that need to be addressed because people keep making threads on them:
1. The Camera is 5 MP.
Okay, anybody who things that megapixels = quality probably knows very little about photography. More megapixels in many cases introduces more noise, especially considering how small the camera is.
If you want to print photos at a letter sized at 300 ppi, invest in a REAL camera. A low end DSLR will blow any phone out of the water; the image sensor is several times as large.
http://www.unlikelymoose.com/more/cameras/megapixel_converter.html
Until we see this phone next to a Galaxy S2 and an iPhone 4S taking pictures in a controlled environment, we can't say that this camera sucks.
2. The pentile display
It is currently not possible to make a 1280x720 or 1280x800 RBG display at the size we want and if they made it bigger, it would be very expensive.
http://pentileblog.com/uncategorized/pentile-for-720-hd-oled-smartphones/
The Galaxy Note has reached a point where some people say that they cannot see the subpixels, so this phone should not be a problem.
The only real valid criticism that the screen has a "blue" tint. For those that are unfamiliar with OLED technology, blue subpixels have the shortest lifespan. This was a deliberate decision by Samsung to maximize screen life.
Overall, side by side comparisons indicate that this is a step forward from the GS2.
3. The SOC/GPU
I am also disappointed in the PowerVR SGX540, but given the circumstances, it is the best SOC they could have chosen. The only alternative would have been the Exynos 4210 (the 4212 uses a new 32nm process not available and is only "sampling" right now) or the Qualcomm Scorpion, with its Adreno 220, which is inferior in terms of both CPU and GPU.
Of particular concern is the new generation of more demanding games and the fact that this GPU needs to drive a 1280x720 screen.
We need to see some real benchmarks as ICS may have had some under the hood optimizations and how it stacks up to the Tegra 3, which will come out in a couple of months. The Tegra 2's GPU was by no means better than the lower clocked (btw, did I mention that this GPU is higher clocked than the one on the GS1?), SGX540 on the first generation of Galaxy S phones.
The OMAP SOC on board is native 1.5 GHz, so I'm sure that you will be able to overclock it back to native clockspeed. I fully anticipate 2 GHz+ mods to come out afterwards.
4. It's too big
Your opinion. I like big phones.
5. Plastic
Samsung's phones actually last pretty well. I have seen HTC's which get praised for their build break. A friend of mine owns a repair shop for phones. Apparently 90% of his smartphone displays that he repairs are iPhones, which also get praised. He is delighted that the new iPhone 4S shares the same design as its predecessor.
6. No SD Card
This is one I am also disappointed at. It's a trend in the Nexus phones right now. Google seems to be encouraging cloud usage. I dislike this one as well, because data is expensive and ICS specifically has data management tools reflecting this.
Somewhat mitigating this is that there are 32 GB versions available and that internal storage is faster than a class 10 SD card.
7. DAC and sound quality?
Unknown and I eagerly await the answer.
Will I buy this phone?
Actually, I am undecided. I want to see reviews first and hold it. I am also eagerly waiting to see what the DAC is. Come H2 2012, A15 parts and perhaps an RGB version of the 720p display are probable. I will however buy it if I can get a sweet deal.
Couldn't agree more on peeps complaining about the 5mp camera!! I have a 3.2mp Sony digital camera that is probably 10 years old. It isn't even a DSLR. But it takes far superior pictures than my 8mp camera on my Charge. Why? In a word, optics !! My old camera has a Zeiss lens on it. It is folly IMO to expect high quality pictures from a phone camera !! If you want to be a photographer, buy a camera !!
All valid points, was a good write up. I especially agree with the point about waiting to see it in the flesh.
I'm a zoom in shooter where does that leave me coming from a 4mp to a 8mp and back down to a 5mp
The issue I take up with the size is that it feels like there's a lot of blank and empty black space in not only the bezel (especially the bottom) but also with ICS. In general, the size and look of the device is both a love and hate. Sometimes I think it's gorgeous, and other times I think it's hideous. I think this is one of those "time will tell" things.
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Your move.
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Counter arguement:
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Your move.
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Counter counter agruement: Who gives a s$&" until we all actually hold the damn thing in our hands and each of us can make up our own minds. Until then this is just bull$&@".
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Counter counter agruement: Who gives a s$&" until we all actually hold the damn thing in our hands and each of us can make up our own minds. Until then this is just bull$&@".
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Then why did you bother posting in the first place?
Enough.
The very purpose of this thread was to minimize this kind of trolling.
For those who think the phone is big.. here are some pics to help you decide...
http://asia.cnet.com/large-screen-smartphones-pocket-test-photos-62211932.htm
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I'm a zoom in shooter where does that leave me coming from a 4mp to a 8mp and back down to a 5mp
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Stand closer?
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Stand closer?
Use a program? I posted one earlier.
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i tried programs on my iphones and believe it or not i had to remove them because of issues and i don't want touch camera programs anymore
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i tried programs on my iphones and believe it or not i had to remove them because of issues and i don't want touch camera programs anymore
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Not camera apps. A program to enlarge a picture there are some for professional use. You know there's still something called a PC .
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For those who think the phone is big.. here are some pics to help you decide...
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Stuff fits easily in empty pants, amazing.
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I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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Most of these "it won't fit my pocket" arguments are troll posts from people who have no intention of buying the phone.
I have played for a bit with the Galaxy Note. It was big, but it did fit in my jeans with my keys inside.
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5. Plastic
Samsung's phones actually last pretty well. I have seen HTC's which get praised for their build break. A friend of mine owns a repair shop for phones. Apparently 90% of his smartphone displays that he repairs are iPhones, which also get praised. He is delighted that the new iPhone 4S shares the same design as its predecessor.
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I'll be happy with the durability if its as good as the Galaxy S II. With curved design of the Nexus, it'll less likely to get screen damaged on drops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw
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I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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Any difference in the feel between the two SGS2 -Nexus
So I've had a dozen different android phones but none without an SD card. How does this work? Does it have a partition to mimic the sd card? Im going to get this phone regardless, but want to know if I can transfer all my files over from the sd card on my current phone.
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Sorry for the dissertation, but this just seemed to never end once I started to write. Feel free to read as little or much as you want, and comment on any combination of thoughts found below. If you just want to skim, I tried to bold the jist of each paragraph, to give you a quick idea of what I am talking about.
Question: Does anyone really understand all the Nokia Lumia (specifically the 900) hype surrounding its release?
I just fail to quite understand why exactly this phone is supposed to be the WP7 savior (the same having been said for the 710/800, which you can't even buy yet, on the att website that is). Its been toughted as the first real windows phone, but I just don't see it.
From the outside looking in, its specs are basically shared with the Titan and Focus S, both of which will have been released for 6+ or so months before the 900 hits my shelves in the states. Same ish processor, RAM, storage, screen size, etc.
Now the camera is supposed to be superior, because of its designer, Carl Zeiss, and his optics technology. I have never heard of this fellow, and maybe he's the best thing since sliced bread for mobile platform cameras, and maybe the Lumia phone will have the best ever camera experience for a mobile, or maybe not, I have not seen any reviews yet so its still up in the air. My Focus S basically shares its camera with the Galaxy S2, which has been toughted as a fantastic phone camera, rivaling that of the iPhone 4S, and takes decent pictures IMO. So what if the Nokia Lumia 900 phone has a good camera, so do many other phones, and if you really want a good picture, you know you are not getting it from a cell phone.
I can't speak to its slightly different processor, I don't know if its any faster than the snapdragon in the Titan and Focus S, but I have not read anything, anywhere, that suggests that it should be. The proc runs at the same clock speed, and seems to share similar architecture, so I assume its probably about the same speed. There are lots of specifics that affect phone speed, and who knows what all in the Nokia may, but the Titan benchmarks slower than the Focus S, and has an overclocked proc., so go figure.
Its form factor is shared by the Focus S, as is its screen size. Now I will say that I do like the squarish figure. I enjoyed the feel of the Flash in my hand, and was disappointed the Focus S wasn't the same shape, but I know most people have different views on this, so I can't see it as a game changer either. I prefer the Focus S lightweight, flexing plastic feel, to the hard metal finish on the Titan, that to me feels like a brick. Maybe the polycarbonate finish of the Lumia feels better, maybe not. But I am willing to bet some people will like it while others will see it as plastic and cheap.
Its screen is AMOLED, what Nokia calls a ClearBlack. I hear its screen is supposed to perform better in direct sun light, but my Focus S looks fine to me. And hell, some people prefer the Titan screen to the Focus S any who, so again, nothing grand here.
Yes it will have certain Nokia only apps. But those who really want them already have them, so its really a moot point.
The only real bonus I see is the 4G LTE, as opposed to the current 4G HSPA+ that the 2nd gen phones have. But hell, I never get anywhere near the max throughput of my phone as it is, and rarely use it outside of WiFi because its just too damned slow. I don't see ATTs network magically becoming much faster over night, perhaps somewhere down the road, but who knows, probably not even ATT. Maybe this is a deal break for some people, but to me, carrier networks are still too far behind the speeds we expect to see and compete with our home networks from Comcast and Fios.
Now, knowing what I know about the Lumia, if I were to get a phone when it comes out, I would probably get the Lumia, over the Titan or Focus S, simply because its something new, Nokia is a good manufacturer, and I like the square look. But if Microsoft, or Nokia, expect people to flock and purchase this phone OOC, or instead of a high end Android or iPhone, I don't see their hopes and dreams coming true, unless someone just really wants the newest windows phone released, because nothing about it says anything other than "I am no different that the 2nd gen phones released last year.". If people did not want them then, and chose something else instead, they probably don't want them now, either.
Again, its basically a Focus S with LTE, but its being talked about as though its something grander and far superior to whats currently available. IMO, windows phones don't need specs like Android, my phone OS is faster than any other phone I tested, including the 4S and Skyrocket. But if they expect me to upgrade, and pay money to do so, they are going to have to give me more than an incremental upgrade, and really convince me that I am purchasing a superior, more advanced product, otherwise I will just save my money and stick with what I have got, which is pretty dern good.
Is there something I am missing? Am i the only one who just doesn't get it? Thoughts?
Oops, once again I accidentally hit the thanks button. oO Anyways.. I think it's not the specs that makes the Lumia (800 or 900) so compelling. It's just its design. Its look and feel (in your hands). Windows Phone looks totally different from any other mobile OS on the market. So does the Lumia (if you leave the N9 aside, that is ). It doesn't have the generic over and over reused look that Samsung und especially HTC devices use to have.
No. I think that pretty much covers it.
I think it is the long term strategy between Nokia and Microsoft that is the difference and not just the current product line. MS actions clearly tell the story that they are ready to sacrifice today for the right answer tomorrow.
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Oops, once again I accidentally hit the thanks button. oO Anyways.. I think it's not the specs that makes the Lumia (800 or 900) so compelling. It's just its design. Its look and feel (in your hands). Windows Phone looks totally different from any other mobile OS on the market. So does the Lumia (if you leave the N9 aside, that is ). It doesn't have the generic over and over reused look that Samsung und especially HTC devices use to have.
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i mentioned that a bit - i have never felt a similar nokia device, so I cant comment in its feel, but the look is appealing - if I were OOC I would get it, because I love the WP OS, and its the newest thing to get, but if I am an iPhone fanboy, there is just nothing special
On your bulletin about the Lumia 800 or 900 potentially feeling 'cheap... the answer is a very loud no.
I got the chance to man handle the Lumia 800 at a Windows Phone camp last November in Nokia San Diego and was awestruck at the feel of the device. You really need to hold in person to judge it, but most major editorial tech news site layers it with praise in regard to the design and feel of it. I haven't seen anyone even come close to calling it 'cheap'.
The Lumia 900 I played with at CES. They didn't have any on display to touch, but I convinced a rep to let me see his and again, same wow factor the 800 has.
However, I give the slight edget to the 800 since the display is curved and it really makes the device 'flow' in your hand.
Now, the spec argument is dead with any Windows Phone device. Looking at what device you can buy today, every Windows Phone holds its own very well against other smartphones in terms of everyday use. Yes, Android phones can do random CPU or GPU stuff faster, but when it comes down to using your phone WP rocks. See those videos by Ben the PC Guy to get an idea.
The reason why this device is expected to be the savior can be attributed more to the relationship between Microsoft and Nokia. It will be the first phone that the two push really hard here in the US. Sure the 710 has been out for a month, but the 900 will be so in your face that it will get people to stop and notice.
First, polycarbonate is not plastic.
Otherwise, form factor, screen, Nokia exclusive apps and games that NOT just anyone can get as you seem to think, I could go on.
@OP - The hype is that Microsoft/Nokia apparently think it's 2009. And they're extremely happy about this brand new game-upper of a device.
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First, polycarbonate is not plastic.
Otherwise, form factor, screen, Nokia exclusive apps and games that NOT just anyone can get as you seem to think, I could go on.
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Yes actually, it is plastic.
Polycarbonates, known by the trademarked names Lexan, Makrolon, Makroclear and others, are a particular group of thermoplastic polymers. They are easily worked, molded, and thermoformed. Because of these properties, polycarbonates find many applications. Polycarbonates do not have a unique plastic identification code and are identified as Other, 7.
Polycarbonates received their name because they are polymers containing carbonate groups (–O–(C=O)–O–). Most polycarbonates of commercial interest are derived from rigid monomers. A balance of useful features including temperature resistance, impact resistance and optical properties position polycarbonates between commodity plastics and engineering plastics.
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A plastic material is any of a wide range of synthetic or semi-synthetic organic solids that are moldable. Plastics are typically organic polymers of high molecular mass, but they often contain other substances. They are usually synthetic, most commonly derived from petrochemicals, but many are partially natural.[1]
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gonintendo said:
Yes actually, it is plastic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate
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Polycarbonate is a plastic, however it is not to be confused with other more commonly used plastics derived from ethylene and propylene.
The properties and uses of a polycarbonate are so different from even a high density polyethylene plastic that it is hard to classify the 2 in the same category.
I bring up polyethylene and polypropylene because when people use the term plastic, typically they are referring to these. Not everyone has a degree in chemical engineering and a history in polymer chemistry, however I do and I find your comment ridiculous.
On a side note I do want to congratulate you on the ability to to use wikipedia. You just proved how good information used in the wrong hands makes ignorant people feel intelligent.
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Polycarbonate is a plastic, however it is not to be confused with other more commonly used plastics derived from ethylene and propylene.
The properties and uses of a polycarbonate are so different from even a high density polyethylene plastic that it is hard to classify the 2 in the same category.
I bring up polyethylene and polypropylene because when people use the term plastic, typically they are referring to these. Not everyone has a degree in chemical engineering and a history in polymer chemistry, however I do and I find your comment ridiculous.
On a side note I do want to congratulate you on the ability to to use wikipedia. You just proved how good information used in the wrong hands makes ignorant people feel intelligent.
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The fact of the matter is that polycarbonate is a plastic. It's a great plastic for making a phone with, different from what's usually used, but it's still a plastic. What people refer to when they say plastic and how commonly used it is doesn't change that. It's like saying mercury isn't a metal because when people think of metals, they think of steel and aluminum. And pardon me for trying to back my claim up with evidence.
It may be a plastic...but is an awesome one for making a phone. It isn't like buying a cheap plastic phone.
Wow, this thread has gone sideways. I thought this was a valid question that I have even found my self asking.
Nice, but so what?
I personally am glad to see Nokia entering the market in the states again. I swore by Nokia phones when they were available. They are certainly a nice product, but there are other ones too. It is good to have another quality manufacturer still in the game.
At the end of the day, MS is strugling in the phone OS business and Nokia was strugling in the Hardware (and OS) business. Together, they garner significant press and attention from the investment community.
Together they make hype....
Simply put; the hype is self serving to win market share and clearly doing ok. There is no such thing as bad press, even a thread gone sideways.
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Wow, this thread has gone sideways. I thought this was a valid question that I have even found my self asking.
Nice, but so what?
I personally am glad to see Nokia entering the market in the states again. I swore by Nokia phones when they were available. They are certainly a nice product, but there are other ones too. It is good to have another quality manufacturer still in the game.
At the end of the day, MS is strugling in the phone OS business and Nokia was strugling in the Hardware (and OS) business. Together, they garner significant press and attention from the investment community.
Together they make hype....
Simply put; the hype is self serving to win market share and clearly doing ok. There is no such thing as bad press, even a thread gone sideways.
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Agree with you on all but one minor detail, nokia has been consistently putting out really nice hardware since they finally ditched resistive touchscreens. (The N8 and onward, iirc). It was pretty much just their software that was holding them back. (And even then, there were and still are are symbian diehards.) The E7 specifically is one of the nicest looking and feeling phones I've ever seen. Before that, I thought it was impossible to make a phone with a landscape keyboard look nice.
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First, polycarbonate is not plastic.
Otherwise, form factor, screen, Nokia exclusive apps and games that NOT just anyone can get as you seem to think, I could go on.
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Hmm... So it is a plastic?
Nokia = name brand. Known by us older generation as the very high quality almost unkillable phones of our times. I had an old nokia that i dropped in the snow once. I ran over it 4 times with my truck while it was out there. 4 days later i found it. Damn thing still was working. You couldn't read the display as it got cracked but it still dialed and answered calls.
Nokia is also known for innovation. I had a nokia that would do exchange, but wasn't a smart phone. The phone actually split into a keyboard so that half the querty was on the left side and half was on the right of the screen.
http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/nokia-6800-unlocked/4505-6454_7-30532370.html
How many phones of that time did that? And look at the style of that phone. For it's time it stood out.
Most nokias were traded in, or donated in still working condition after you upgraded to the next.
So the sheer thought of a premium nokia handset that looks like the lumina 900 with Super plastic as you guys have pointed out, that doesn't feel like plastic, and clear black display - it frankly makes my generation druel (i'm 37). Don't get me wrong, i love my titan, but i would give it up for the nokia in a heartbeat even though i know i would be losing a replaceable battery and going a little smaller screen size wise then my titan's massive and awesome 4.7
Nokia also has all the contacts. They are one of the biggest phone manufactures to the globe. (note i didn't say smartphone). If they can bring windows phone to most of those customers, you are going to see it take off. In each country that nokia has released a new phone, so far sales have skyrocketed. Places are selling out.. Nokia is bringing marketing to the platform that was never attempted by other oems - like there life depends on it (which it does).
So that my friend is the hype - at least for me.
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ROTFLMAO......
This phone definitely doesn't feel cheap.
Something that Nokia has done very well is consider how the device will feel in the hand (not counting low-end phones). Every mid to high-end Nokia I've had has felt amazing and never ever cheap. And I've been buying their more expensive devices ever since the 7210 came out almost a decade ago.
The 800 is so solid and sexy. I don't mind the specs of the Focus S, but at the AT&T store they've had to tape the back cover to it because it keeps popping off with the security thingy glued to it. I also really really really hate the feel of actual plastic. Polycarbonate feels dense.
Wait til I post the results of my accidental "drop test". Was in the case and flew out of my pocket onto pavement, hit the corner near the audio jack, landed on the display and slid. There's a tiny nick out of the corner and a 1-2mm scratch on the glass, outside of the display. There are also a few tiny, tiny marks that look like small hairs that you want to blow off the screen that can only be seen while black and clean.
Needless to say, I was hoping that I'd have gone about a year before dropping the device... not 3 weeks, but am super impressed with how it handled the impact.
its good to get some input from some people who have actually had some face time with the devices
and I purposefully used the term "plastic" to describe its material composition, a. because I knew it was plastic, but more so b. because I figured it would stir debate over its feel and form factor.
so what it seems to boil down to is, its not so much the device or its specs, although by all accounts it looks to be the best WP yet, although not leaps and bounds better than previous offerings. its not so much its form factor, although it seems to be of high quality and feel. its more about the name recognition and marketing that should coincide with its release that should stir the market into finally recognizing the WP OS and its phones.
lets hope it works.
windows phone 8 will be cool-till then android baby!
Question: Does anyone really understand all the Nokia Lumia (specifically the 900) hype surrounding its release?
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I'm thinking its because it's hype. No one has used the device, and the current lumia users are having quite a few issues with their devices. That's not to say that Nokia and Microsoft isn't repairing the issues, but as far as first devices goes, you don't want to have many big issues. I think the main hype is besides the N8, this is the bonafide first Nokia phone that's getting a somewhat bigger push than any phone Nokia previously released
So what if the Nokia Lumia 900 phone has a good camera, so do many other phones, and if you really want a good picture, you know you are not getting it from a cell phone.
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very true, but if anything, people don't want to invest so much in "just a camera" and would prefer to consolidate when necessary. It's a futile argument I do admit, but its one many people have. It's also why the apple iphone camera painstakingly tries to get the best photographic experience for casual users
Its form factor is shared by the Focus S, as is its screen size. Now I will say that I do like the squarish figure. I enjoyed the feel of the Flash in my hand, and was disappointed the Focus S wasn't the same shape, but I know most people have different views on this, so I can't see it as a game changer either. I prefer the Focus S lightweight, flexing plastic feel, to the hard metal finish on the Titan, that to me feels like a brick. Maybe the polycarbonate finish of the Lumia feels better, maybe not. But I am willing to bet some people will like it while others will see it as plastic and cheap.
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I think most realize its polycarbonate, a totally different beast.
I reviewed the focus s and it was the first phone I did review. And sadly, I wasn't enthused, I wasn't impressed with it, and overall I just felt the device itself was mediocre. Especially with the brightness issue that the focus s had that wasn't on the focus flash - a phone I would prefer over its big brother any day of the week.
Its screen is AMOLED, what Nokia calls a ClearBlack. I hear its screen is supposed to perform better in direct sun light, but my Focus S looks fine to me. And hell, some people prefer the Titan screen to the Focus S any who, so again, nothing grand here.
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compare the screen to the focus flash and you will writhe in disappointment of the focus s screen in terms of brightness and contrast. Super Amoled+ has better and richer colors, but overall it just wasn't that great.
The titan screen while huge, wasn't much to write home about. For some reason, the bigger the screen on slcd on windows phone, the worst the quality gets. I am perfectly loving the htc radar screen because it is just leaps and bounds above the titan screen. Higher DPI, more color richness, definitely a great screen
Yes it will have certain Nokia only apps. But those who really want them already have them, so its really a moot point.
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I think apps are very important and a great selling point for any phone. And that matters to have more apps that many would find on competing factors. It's not a moot point in the eye of the average user who is used to using a plethora of apps
Now, knowing what I know about the Lumia, if I were to get a phone when it comes out, I would probably get the Lumia, over the Titan or Focus S, simply because its something new, Nokia is a good manufacturer, and I like the square look. But if Microsoft, or Nokia, expect people to flock and purchase this phone OOC, or instead of a high end Android or iPhone, I don't see their hopes and dreams coming true
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Agreed. Now tell that to some other wp7 users...watch a flame war spark
Again, its basically a Focus S with LTE
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little bit premature to say that considering you've never used the device. just saying
There is a new phone that was leaked from nokia with a Qualcomm s4, hd screen, 41 Megapixel camera and a weird body. Also there is 1080p recording and rich sound too. Here take a look at it.
http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-pureview-lumia-windows-phone-device-images-leaked/
I know that if this is real, i sure will be buying one, and this phone also has the new micrsoft logo.
That phone looks huge, not a very nice looking phone either, the hardware is very intriguing though.
Ugly as hell hahaha
Specs=decent, that chassis is ****ing hideous though
4.3? Curved Glass with HD resolution
41mp sensor, Carl Zeiss lens and PureView imaging technology
1080p full HD recording and Rich Recording Technology
Dual Core processor with Adreno 320 GPU (Likely QUALCOMM’s S4 processor)
Windows Phone Operating System
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It's fake.
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Although I agree that is looks fake (the curved screen seems very weird), Apollo will very likely introduce HD resolution screens and support for dual cores.
i wouldnt mind the phone for a 41 mp pureview camera though, remember the factory lumia leak last year, we all thought that was fake but it wasnt. This might just be an early concept in my opinion.
Really those who are going to be knocking the design shouldn't be posting,there's already more than enough of that in the comments on WMPU and WPCentral. Doesn't look bad to me and it sounds like it's going to be good.
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Really those who are going to be knocking the design shouldn't be posting,there's already more than enough of that in the comments on WMPU and WPCentral. Doesn't look bad to me and it sounds like it's going to be good.
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Ah, so you're take is that only comments that like it should be allowed? .
I think the specs are solid ('specially that camera!) but the device looks incredibly ugly and would never sell.
I did saw the Nokia Pureview with 41MP effection 35MP running on sym.
for me i t looks like an REMOTE CONTROL for an TV! but really, just imagine to use it as an WP8 and you have to type a message, on a curved display where your finger go around the device, thats not natural.
I would definitely buy this. I'm not too obsessed with slim phones. As long as it fits in the pockets I'd rather have better specs.
that's a rad looking phone. if it was waterproof......
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Ah, so you're take is that only comments that like it should be allowed? .
I think the specs are solid ('specially that camera!) but the device looks incredibly ugly and would never sell.
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who knows what'll sell and what won't? For example pathetic devices like the iPad 3 is no different than the previous 2 as well as the iPhone 4S which is marginally different than the iPhone 4 yet they're selling like hot cakes.
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Nice phone, but prefeer htc design =)
Weird as hell... Don't sign me up for this... I am looking at HTC Side...
i believe this will be for the camera centric customers, and i also heard they will have lesser speced cameras but with a great design that is more for the average buyer. this prob wont be a lumia, it will get a different name.
Fake. I think Windows Phone should improve the software of the camera. Lumia Nokia 800 has a great sensor, but the picture quality leaves much to be desired
I do not see this getting past any focus group. The only wow factor this phone would have is the camera. A Dual Core does not wow anyone. So we are trading mass market appeal by having such an unusual styling for a camera?
Look Nokia, you have your Lumia Series down pat. Stick with improving those. The tablet is the next thing to come.
Coming from M7 I know it's camera limitations and one thing I was expecting that shifting away from Ultra Pixel sensor would mean a much better performance. Unfortunately looking at the images from Barcelona I was scratching my head if what I saw was M9 images. The lower light photos in my opinion look quite bad. Lots of artifact, nasty noise, blotches of unprocessed information. So to say about normal daylight images though not as bad but still below average. So what's your take on this matter? Will the software update sort it out , is it worth waiting for couple of months? I don't think I am going to upgrade to M9 which I sincerely want to. Camera is deal breaker for me.
I honestly wouldn't base an opinion of this device with its current software situation, its gonna get hot, this is a pre release model. Also I bet its been on charge all day with the screen on, tester after tester messing with it. Not to mention the kernel and rom probably aren't optimized to deal with heavy load, I can see HTC making this a great device with further updates, I look forward to having it.
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Coming from M7 I know it's camera limitations and one thing I was expecting that shifting away from Ultra Pixel sensor would mean a much better performance. Unfortunately looking at the images from Barcelona I was scratching my head if what I saw was M9 images. The lower light photos in my opinion look quite bad. Lots of artifact, nasty noise, blotches of unprocessed information. So to say about normal daylight images though not as bad but still below average. So what's your take on this matter? Will the software update sort it out , is it worth waiting for couple of months? I don't think I am going to upgrade to M9 which I sincerely want to. Camera is deal breaker for me.
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You're not the only one making a question out of the camera performance of the M9. The big issues with the new sensor is the increased resolution of 20mp vs the 4mp on the HTC One M8, which (as you noticed) makes images in low-light conditions quite bad. This has nothing to do with HTC though, it's the same story for everyone who cramps in such a high resolution in a sensor that is way to small. A normal DSLR camera (Canon 600D, Nikon D7100 etc.) struggles with the same thing although they got a massively bigger sensor to cope with the resolution. Based on this, I guess they may be able to fix the daylight quality quite a bit along the way. The low-light however, not as convinced due to the issues I said above. They may very well be able to make it BETTER, but not as good as it was with the M8 in my mind. Just look at the Note 4 and Z3 (and Z4 I guess) with massive resolutions on their cameras aswell, the Note 4 (16mp) is brilliant in daylight although it's worse in low-light compared to the iPhone 6 (which got a 8mp sensor). It will get better along the way, but I don't think we will ever see the M9 do low-light shots without some of the issues you asked about, like artifacts, noise and details failing to stand out. Although I do hope I am wrong about it
I hope Jonny too but I can't entirely rely on hope here. Can you give me reasonable example of how HTC improved camera in the past? I am not here to bash the brand that I love but I want to be reasonable. I still have purple fringe on my M7 for that reason I sent it back just a couple of days ago.
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You're not the only one making a question out of the camera performance of the M9. The big issues with the new sensor is the increased resolution of 20mp vs the 4mp on the HTC One M8, which (as you noticed) makes images in low-light conditions quite bad. This has nothing to do with HTC though, it's the same story for everyone who cramps in such a high resolution in a sensor that is way to small. A normal DSLR camera (Canon 600D, Nikon D7100 etc.) struggles with the same thing although they got a massively bigger sensor to cope with the resolution. Based on this, I guess they may be able to fix the daylight quality quite a bit along the way. The low-light however, not as convinced due to the issues I said above. They may very well be able to make it BETTER, but not as good as it was with the M8 in my mind. Just look at the Note 4 and Z3 (and Z4 I guess) with massive resolutions on their cameras aswell, the Note 4 (16mp) is brilliant in daylight although it's worse in low-light compared to the iPhone 6 (which got a 8mp sensor). It will get better along the way, but I don't think we will ever see the M9 do low-light shots without some of the issues you asked about, like artifacts, noise and details failing to stand out. Although I do hope I am wrong about it
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As far as I know M9 has Toshiba sensor which being used for the Nokia High end Lumias which perform quite well. The other thing is I can set my camera permanently to 16 Mp or even less so to relief sensor from strain if that helps to get a better image. It's perfectly fine to have 8MP, personally speaking. For instance Iphone 6 Plus currently outperforms pretty much most of the phones in the market.
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As far as I know M9 has Toshiba sensor which being used for the Nokia High end Lumias which perform quite well. The other thing is I can set my camera permanently to 16 Mp or even less so to relief sensor from strain if that helps to get a better image. It's perfectly fine to have 8MP, personally speaking. For instance Iphone 6 Plus currently outperforms pretty much most of the phones in the market.
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Sure it is developed by Toshiba, i am not sure if its the same they use in the Lumia series though. The fact that "reducing" the camera down to 16mp or even less to make the images better is something I doubt highly especially with a mobile. I dont see how that would change the outcome when it's still a 20mp physically in there. Might be wrong here, but I don't see right away how that would make images in low-light any better. In my experience with the Z1 it didn't help much dumping the resolution from 20mp down to 8mp (which was the auto-mode setting). Another thing I see as a potential issue for HTC compared to Sony is the fact that Sony makes and develops their sensor themself, and that should make it easier for them to optimize it and make it better. HTC on the other hand does not make it's own sensor and has "learn" or whatever I should say the Toshiba sensor compared to Sony who made them by themself. That should, at least in my eyes, give Sony an advantage in the optimization part. Which they never figured out properly in the Z1 (and Z2 & Z3?) as far as I know.
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I am looking forward to the M9 as i currently own a M7. To the point, after M7 came out nokia came out with Lumia 925, which had 8MP sensor and took better low light photos than the UltraPixel, One would think that in the last 2 years Htc would have gotten better or improved the MP count of the UltraPixel sensor, but that didn't happen.
As far as the current 16MP sensor is concerned, i hope that reducing the resolution slightly say 8MP and increasing the exposure/shutter time would atleast be able to provide results similar to UltraPixle in a 8MP resolution.
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Sure it is developed by Toshiba, i am not sure if its the same they use in the Lumia series though. The fact that "reducing" the camera down to 16mp or even less to make the images better is something I doubt highly especially with a mobile. I dont see how that would change the outcome when it's still a 20mp physically in there. Might be wrong here, but I don't see right away how that would make images in low-light any better. In my experience with the Z1 it didn't help much dumping the resolution from 20mp down to 8mp (which was the auto-mode setting). Another thing I see as a potential issue for HTC compared to Sony is the fact that Sony makes and develops their sensor themself, and that should make it easier for them to optimize it and make it better. HTC on the other hand does not make it's own sensor and has "learn" or whatever I should say the Toshiba sensor compared to Sony who made them by themself. That should, at least in my eyes, give Sony an advantage in the optimization part. Which they never figured out properly in the Z1 (and Z2 & Z3?) as far as I know.
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I am looking at some oversampling info on wikipedia. Thats exactly what Nokia did with pure view ,for instance, combining pixels into cluster to make one better pixel with improved characteristics . Then technically speaking reducing mp size can enable sensor to perform better. Thanks for bringing it out about Sony. Your thoughts so much parallel of mine about they inability to nail their camera performance taking into account they sensor plus all experience. This could due to the reason they don't actually work close enough to Sony photographic department and more or less on they own. Not sharing the love between themselve From my observation it's a lot about soft optimization, as you mention in your post , and here I can not to finish my post without mentioning 1+1 camera transformation that occurred in period from release date up until now. Camera performance is very good.
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I am looking forward to the M9 as i currently own a M7. To the point, after M7 came out nokia came out with Lumia 925, which had 8MP sensor and took better low light photos than the UltraPixel, One would think that in the last 2 years Htc would have gotten better or improved the MP count of the UltraPixel sensor, but that didn't happen.
As far as the current 16MP sensor is concerned, i hope that reducing the resolution slightly say 8MP and increasing the exposure/shutter time would atleast be able to provide results similar to UltraPixle in a 8MP resolution.
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If they do something like Nokia did with oversampling pixel it might work ( just an idea) but taking into account they didn't succeed in ultra pixel technology , given two years, I can only hope. I don't really know much about new toshiba sensor and what is it capable of.
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Let me look in the future..
*starts rubbing my Crystal balls...*
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It's getting warmed....
Okay I am seeing something...
The answer for which you are looking for lies within you. You may not know it now but you will in the near future. The key is to follow your heart and don't make weird threads on xda.
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"Weird "is a strong word but taking into account the amount of humour you used in your reply I take it lightly with a smile on my face
nebulaoperator said:
I am looking at some oversampling info on wikipedia. Thats exactly what Nokia did with pure view ,for instance, combining pixels into cluster to make one better pixel with improved characteristics . Then technically speaking reducing mp size can enable sensor to perform better. Thanks for bringing it out about Sony. Your thoughts so much parallel of mine about they inability to nail their camera performance taking into account they sensor plus all experience. This could due to the reason they don't actually work close enough to Sony photographic department and more or less on they own. Not sharing the love between themselve From my observation it's a lot about soft optimization, as you mention in your post , and here I can not to finish my post without mentioning 1+1 camera transformation that occurred in period from release date up until now. Camera performance is very good.
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Alrighty then. Thats an awesome feature! Really hope that HTC can make the same magic as Nokia did with their Lumia series based on what you found out on Wikipedia etc. I will be more than pleased if the camera on the M9 outperforms the camera placed in the Z4, that should tell everybody that HTC did an amazing job optimizing it when they beat Sony and their own sensor
I've looked at some comparison photo's from gsmarena and personally I don't think it's much worse than the iPhone 6 shots they posted.
Think the day light pictures will probably be great, but the low light ones may be not so much. Without being any company's fanboy there is a great chance that the M9 camera won't be the best.
I have no idea what HTC did but images are getting very good ...at least in this series : http://www.sogi.com.tw/mobile/articles/6239319-HTC+One+M9、M8兩代旗艦機相機實拍對決！