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No file system access:
No file system access means
a) you can not use it as USB thumb drive
b) you can not share files with different computers
c) there is no file downloads from web and no useful ftp clients and similar apps because they are useless without fsa
d) you can not open files with different apps unless maybe you email them to yourself, which is complicated but is the common way to get files on iPhones and it will also be like that crap on WP7
No SD cards
I hope I don't have to explain why that sucks. Terabyte SDXC cards are on the way and WP7 buyers are stuck with built in 8-32GB. And you have no thumb drive mode and no SD card to take out and load files on it.
No copy and paste
No, you are not dreaming to live in 2007. It really is 2010 and WP7 really has no copy&paste. Is this ridiculous or what?
No multitasking
People always talk crap like multitasking makes phones slow and makes battery life bad but really with a bit of thinking multitasking can be implemented in ways that do not have any bad effects at all and it even speeds things up because there is no loading times and of course push notifications also hurt battery life.
Plus there is lots of things that are not possible without multitasking. Say byebye to GPS tracking and stuff.
Marketplace censorship
They say it will be "objective" but everyone knows that is crap talk just look at current WM6.5 policies they are the same censorship as in Apple AppStore.
No native coding and no deep customization
Say byebye to apps that let you customize buttons or replace built in apps or let you adjust any advanced settings.
It is for sure that MS will not include all settings that users may need and there is no way users can change anything that is not in settings by default, because there is no file system or registry access for apps.
All the mentioned things make the user experience worse. Emailing everything to yourself sucks it's complicated and it is also complicated to have quick looks at info inside apps without multitasking and much more problems because of the stupid limitations.
To me WP7 is a complete FAIL. It can not compete to anything except for iPhone. I totally hate Apple and iPhone but I hope they kill WP7 so that MS realize how they ****ed up WP7.
I don't know why but in US, iPhone is a lot more popular and there is no Symbian. There WP7 can fight against iPhone.
But Symbian is the world leader and it is also very open, like Android and they have a new release soon, Symbian^3 with full visual multitasking (like Palm Pre) and multitouch and all that.
WP7 can not compete with that outside US and it can not compete with Android anywhere.
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You are from Europe, and noone but European citizen will understand this statement, imho(y know what i mean...i think).
I do. Although wm died for me with 6.5, wm7 have beaten everything i could imagine as succesor of 6.x.
WM7 is just death of pda's. They should name it TwittmarketplaceBS.
But let me be honest - people wanted another iphone, and they WILL HAVE another iphone.
We can stay away from that...nothing more...
People always talk crap like multitasking makes phones slow and makes battery life bad
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This is just because lack of BRAIN, not multitasking problem.
That's why iphonelike bs is ONLY option for 'em.
Shame, there will be no solutions for thinking people soon.
I will stay away. But is is sad because now I have less phones to choose from because all phones with WP7 are already ruled out from my wishlist.
Why is that that Americans buy locked down stuff like iPhone?! Are they masochists?! Nobody in the world that is not a masochist can seriously want a phone where you have to email files to yourself because it is the only method to put them on the phone!?
Times are changing... The iPhone was the first step and it looks like it was the right step... Nokia, Android, Windows are going the same way somehow. I think it's OK otherwise WM7 will become a mess like the old WM. WM's fate is death for most people. Even for me, I've been using WM for yeeears, but for me it feels slow, dated, and yet powerful but at the end I end using the dialer, the picture explorer, and messaging system.
I have a ZuneHD, I love its interface, speed and simplicity; and it has a basic but enough multitasking capability. According to some videos that I've seen, I've noticed that the multitasking capabilities are even better in WM7.
About the SD Card... 8gb is enough for most people, and this is the smallest storage size that the new Windows mobile phone will have. The customizations... I'm sorry but most of the themes out there are [email protected], and I even consider that HTC interface is all bloated and slow. I'm sure there will be some customizations in WM7, it's just matter of time to figure out the way to do so.
The good thing, is that you have many more options like the Android, the iPhone or even Nokia, which new OS looks good enough to compete with all the new competitors.
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I will stay away. But is is sad because now I have less phones to choose from because all phones with WP7 are already ruled out from my wishlist.
Why is that that Americans buy locked down stuff like iPhone?! Are they masochists?! Nobody in the world that is not a masochist can seriously want a phone where you have to wmail files to yourself because it is the only method to put them on the phone!?
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All I know is that my 4 y.o. pda with PHONE MODULE is working ok.
Sry, cannot answer your question...do not try to understand US citizens..waste of time, imho.
Times are changing... The iPhone was the first step and it looks like it was the right step... Nokia, Android, Windows are going the same way. I think it's ok otherwise WM7 will become a mess like the old WM
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well, dude, PDA was not phone, but personal assistant(you know, computer ,not iphonelikebs) and it WAS ok, then iphone rose from **** and idea wanished.
All about that.
g'night guys.
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Times are changing... The iPhone was the first step and it looks like it was the right step... Nokia, Android, Windows are going the same way. I think it's ok otherwise WM7 will become a mess like the old WM
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No Nokia Symbian and Android and also Palm webOS are not locked down ****. Only WP7 and iPhone are.
And also Android and Symbian^3 have very good UIs too so it is not necessary to lock them down to make it easy to use.
And even multitasking can be very easy to use, like on Palm webOS and Nokia Symbian^3.
Hardware base specs is good for the user experience but missing features and censorship is always bad. Apple started that **** but they were lucky because they had the only good UI so people bought their phone nevertheless and now years later MS copies them completely.
But today it is not enough because everyone now has good UIs so features like file system access make the difference. Plus there are still all the power users and enterprises they are many as well (and it is not necessary to be a power user to benefit from those features - using one's brain is enough).
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No file system access:
No file system access means
a) you can not use it as USB thumb drive
b) you can not share files with different computers
c) there is no file downloads from web and no useful ftp clients and similar apps because they are useless without fsa
d) you can not open files with different apps unless maybe you email them to yourself, which is complicated but is the common way to get files on iPhones and it will also be like that crap on WP7
No SD cards
I hope I don't have to explain why that sucks.
No multitasking
People always talk crap like multitasking makes phones slow and makes battery life bad but really with a bit of thinking multitasking can be implemented in ways that do not have any bad effects at all and it even speeds things up because there is no loading times and of course push notifications also hurt battery life.
Plus there is lots of things that are not possible without multitasking. Say byebye to GPS tracking and stuff.
Marketplace censorship
They say it will be "objective" but everyone knows that is crap talk just look at current WM6.5 policies they are the same censorship as in Apple AppStore.
No native coding and no deep customization
Say byebye to apps that let you customize buttons or replace built in apps or let you adjust any advanced settings.
It is for sure that MS will not include all settings that users may need and there is no way users can change anything that is not in settings by default, because there is no file system or registry access for apps.
All the mentioned things make the user experience worse. Emailing everything to yourself sucks it's complicated and it is also complicated to have quick looks at info inside apps without multitasking and much more problems because of the stupid limitations.
To me WP7 is a complete FAIL. It can not compete to anything except for iPhone. I totally hate Apple and iPhone but I hope they kill WP7 so that MS realize how they ****ed up WP7.
I don't know why but in US, iPhone is a lot more popular and there is no Symbian. There WP7 can fight against iPhone.
But Symbian is the world leader and it is also very open, like Android and they have a new release soon, Symbian^3 with full visual multitasking (like Palm Pre) and multitouch and all that.
WP7 can not compete with that outside US and it can not compete with Android anywhere.
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I think we should think the other way round, look how iphone is popular with its easy to use GUI and still its locked.
Most ppl are not techh savvy as us who loves to install cabs etc. People want out of the box experience.
So when a lay man (in tech terms) asks for a smartphone help, I suggest him iphone as it can do most of the task which it desined to no hangs etc.. Now I can suggest wm7 device for sure....
But wait whats the point of having a Windows phone if I cant customize... its not for me... first wp7 and then no wp7 upgrade in HD2 has made me not to buy any smartphone..
my 37 $ ***kia phone which I brought temporarily whin I lost touch viva... is doing a nice job... with 1020 mah battery , reminders, wireless fm, standard organigers ,,basic spreadsheet , notes...
Locked nature of WP7 has lost my in Interest in smartphones. I was like suggesting every1 of WM advantages....
WM sucked coz only on crap hardware and GUI.... and HTC fones saved its saved still it have 15 % share in smartphone OS.
MS is not sure where it want sto go......
WP7 is a complete pass for me. I don't need 1TB or 2TB storage. Hell my 16GB Zune HD is only 1GB full. Being an avid fan of Xbox live gaming, Outlook (Exchange) and facebook, this phone is a win win win.
Remember people. It's made for the majority (non-geeks) not minority (geeks).
Microsoft has stated that there will be a way to distribute applications outside of marketplace (for enterprise mainly). I'm sure we will be able to use this to our advantage for all the apps we want to get from here. They are basically putting in a backdoor asking for us to open it cause they know the techys want that opening. Now as long as we can figure out how to get access to the file system we will have no more issues. Maybe they just put in minimal restrictions to protect the normal EU but keep it easy for us. That second part is speculation only though.
Idiocracy of the Mobile World
It seems everything is so dumb downed these days...making things is a easier to do is fine but damn. For me I hear windows mobile I think mini pc but now it seems things as a whole are headed towards playskool sh!+ for adults. I blame newbies that dont/cant read manuals & use commn sense (u won a lottery u neva heard & u paying money to receive the winnings lol). I also blame the pos companies/people that push malware/spyware/phishing. Window mobile's customization is gift for the tech savy but a curse for impatient eye candy lovers. Hopefully with it being a series they have an actual smartphone edition.
wp7 will be a sucess. Why would you want a mini PC based UI, the PC UI is 30 years old..and for one a phone is a different device, why not take a different route? Half the hacks for winmo6X are too improve and and even make use of the devices hardware/software better,..wp7 doesnt have that..or is it needed. The other half(customizing) won't be needed since the UI has information across every inch of the screen, why waste screen space w/ a desktop like home screen on a 3 inch screen?
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No file system access:
To me WP7 is a complete FAIL. It can not compete to anything except for iPhone. I totally hate Apple and iPhone but I hope they kill WP7 so that MS realize how they ****ed up WP7.
I don't know why but in US, iPhone is a lot more popular and there is no Symbian. There WP7 can fight against iPhone.
But Symbian is the world leader and it is also very open, like Android and they have a new release soon, Symbian^3 with full visual multitasking (like Palm Pre) and multitouch and all that.
WP7 can not compete with that outside US and it can not compete with Android anywhere.
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I am with you on all that. It seems that Symbian will be the only Mobile OS that is actually OPEN and, without a doubt the most efficient one. Android and Win CE are hardware hungry, and that is why one of them (android) eats it's battery when multitasking and the other one won't even have it because it will "compromise" the end user experiance. What they really mean by that is "we need 2ghz CPU and 1 gb ram to run 4 programs at the same time" until then, take that "save state" BS that apple has been selling you for years already and be happy.
No native coding is completely FAIL
No native coding is completely FAIL
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why
Hi,
I wish i could say i completely disagree but unfortunately I think you're totally right :-(
first I was not convinced with the new user interface which is imho very ugly.But the announcements of today are the final stroke for me ! Windows Phone 7 is no more than a dumb phone with app support. The latest versions of winmo 6.5.x were really heading in the right direction I think and now microsoft is breaking everything with windows phone 7.Now I'm sure that the future of windows mobile for me is windows mobile itself ! no windows phone series for me ! Everything I hate about apple, microsoft just copied into windows phone 7. this really is not for me. Thank you M. Microsoft ! I'm so disappointed !
Thomas
Slow
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Click a button , then you can get a sleep
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Click a button , then you can get a sleep
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i thought they said that silverlight & XNA would be hardware accelerated, im no dev & know nothing of it but would it still be slow, cuz some of the things they demoed didnt look slow, but besides slowness what are the other drawbacks?
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i thought they said that silverlight & XNA would be hardware accelerated, im no dev & know nothing of it but would it still be slow, cuz some of the things they demoed didnt look slow, but besides slowness what are the other drawbacks?
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But C# runs more slowly than Native code,and C# has a big runtime called CLR and a lot of libs.
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But C# runs more slowly than Native code,and C# has a big runtime called CLR and a lot of libs.
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lol what you just said means nothing to me i just told you i have know knowledge of any of that but thanks for trying to explain, nvm about explaining it ill go read a book on it, maybe bing it
il be sticking with the hd2 il be buying next week
only worry i have is i doubt we will get much more developed for 6.5 from now on :/
Microsoft has confirmed at the MIX developers conference that Windows Phone 7 Series will not have copy and paste functionality
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from: http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/mix10-microsoft-cuts-copy-paste-feature-from-windows-phone-7-series
feels like a retarded joke, after all the heat apple took for not having it, MS must b on crack not to include it ...
Simply drop WP7S ... Stick with WM6.5 or WM6.5.5. Or you can switch to Android with HTC Desire.. F*CK Microsoft with their "It's best for the end-user"
Android here I come
This is so very strange.
So maybe the UI will be a tad better than iPhone, but WHY copy the iPhone on all the BAD stuff?
I'm very dissapointed.
There is no more reason to stick with wimMo after winMo7 is released.
Marked will never become good for the 6.5 because the focus will be on winmo7.
So, Android, here I come.
I think microsoft have lost the plot.
I use copy and paste all the time, in the file explorer and with documents.
If it does not have copy/paste, then it's pretty useless. Will have to stick with 6.5, but if development of apps for 6.5 stops, then i guess android is the way to go.
I prefer an OS to be functional. There are many apps/skins to make it look good.
so dear Microsoft if i get e-mail from some one with text like :
"could you meet Mr. Matheabthukul from the airport"
and then someone else ask: "can you text me the name of the guy you meeting?"
which part of "data-detection service built into the text-handling API" will spell that name in to new text message ?
we could copy stuff on dumbphones years ago, please dont revolutionise things like wormy Apple did, (((WOW u can now copy and past 3 generations of OS it took them... ))) and don't reinvent the wheel...
What is Microsoft smoking in the developers room?
elementary stuff are missing...wtf.
Problem is: ALL comapnies develop what the MARKET demands (= the majority of the users).
The majority is not WE here but the hundred thousands of people that just wanna take their cell-phone outa the box and use it without crashes, listen to music, watch Youtube, take photos and vids and don´t wanna have to do anything with fiddling around in setup menus and accidentally activate or deactivate or delete features.
And since iPhone is the "standard" MS just copies it
WE here are a little minority and MS will never ever listen to OUR demands.
It´s sad, but reality always is ...................
seems like they have been smoking from an apple bong
Unless they also cut multitasking, this OS will not be good enough.
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What is Microsoft smoking in the developers room?
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i was sure, its illegal to be high at work place...
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And since iPhone is the "standard"
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even they added Copy&paste to the iPhone
i guess we will have to find the unspeakable: Jailbreaking WM7P and Cydia for WM7 etc...
welcome to hell... this is the beginning of the end for XDA as it is...
i guess after WM7 take off not many Classic WM6.X devices will b out and as they become outdated, what will happen to this place ?
since XDA don't permit Cracking of the soft...
(PS this is only my thoughts, it will probably just turn in to How to Make WM7 a smart-phone again )
I don't see this as a bad thing. It just confirms my belief that:
1) No WP7S upgrade for the HD2 is no big deal
2) My next phone will run Android.
By the way, did I really read that WP7S will not support external SD cards? If so, MS really are building their own mobile coffin.
Until reading this I was looking forward to wm7.
All the apple fans wont know what to do when they have the option of a apple iphone or a windows iphone.
Savage-wp said:
I think microsoft have lost the plot.
I use copy and paste all the time, in the file explorer and with documents.
If it does not have copy/paste, then it's pretty useless. Will have to stick with 6.5, but if development of apps for 6.5 stops, then i guess android is the way to go.
I prefer an OS to be functional. There are many apps/skins to make it look good.
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I think there is a bit of difference between OS copy/paste and text-selection copy/paste. Though from what I understand, the only way to get to an OS copy/paste function is through 'jailbreaking' since filesystem access will be minimized.
Simple: Bill Gates is overtly killing off the WinMo portion of his kingdom, and he's gonna wait for the Obama bailout.
So... Let's just make Android run fine in our HD2, shall we?
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I don't see this as a bad thing. It just confirms my belief that:
1) No WP7S upgrade for the HD2 is no big deal
2) My next phone will run Android.
By the way, did I really read that WP7S will not support external SD cards? If so, MS really are building their own mobile coffin.
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that's right, another extra point to stick on 6.5 or android .
Store counter: Sir, which phone do you want to buy?
Mr. Dude: I want to buy an iPhone please ...
Store counter: Right, which iPhone? Apple iPhone or Windows iPhone 7 Series?
Mr. Dude: Hey, that's new, what's the difference?
Store counter: Apple iPhone has copy paste function, Windows iPhone does not. The rest are the same.
Mr. Dude: Hmm, give me Apple iPhone please ...
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Until reading this I was looking forward to wm7.
All the apple fans wont know what to do when they have the option of a apple iphone or a windows iphone.
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so dear Microsoft if i get e-mail from some one with text like :
"could you meet Mr. Matheabthukul from the airport"
and then someone else ask: "can you text me the name of the guy you meeting?"
which part of "data-detection service built into the text-handling API" will spell that name in to new text message ?
we could copy stuff on dumbphones years ago, please dont revolutionise things like wormy Apple did, (((WOW u can now copy and past 3 generations of OS it took them... ))) and don't reinvent the wheel...
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lol thats prolly the funniest thing ive read on this forum
ok thats it...
thats the final straw.
i am a die hard windows mobile guy but this takes the piss.
first no removable storage... then no multi-tasking for third party apps... then only 3 front facing buttons... now this.
there is no way i could ever recommend WP7S to anyone when it hits the streets in its current form.
To me it looks like it will fail bigtime. MS are trying to grab a hold of the normal user base (ie/ everyone that either owns or wants an iPhone)..... unfortunately there is no way in hell that any of those people would ever want a WP7S handset over Apples offering. Why would they? Anyone got a reason? ANYONE?
You must obay Micro$oft.
WP7S is a drones machine. A non-thinking tweeters mp3 player. It is NOT an OS. It is a development environment on top of a locked down OS.
NO API access
NO MicroSD memory
NO 3rd party apps outside appstore (M$ commission made on each app)
I am pro-actively AGAINST WP7S from now on. I can .net c#... maybe I will learn a different language.
Soo!!!
One thing i still not read around ( or at last i still not found)...
Microsoft will change the WAY of WM7 are deployed/resleased...
Same for partners... programs developers...
Seems will be more like IPHONE/Apple.
So!!
How we will be?
Microsoft will still alow "WE" to change and MOD the ROMS?
We need to worry about how they will TREAT US? who change and mod the roms?
This is a serious thing. Same for the WINMO FUTURE.
ALL DEVELOPERS and SITES WITH "NDa" AGREEMENT with microsoft. ITs good to give us how will be the RELATIONSHIP with them...
Any talk about this?
Well if this already was discussed here, apologise...
But its a good thing to talk about..
take a look at the wp7s dump thread...
What? a rom dump from emulator?
Maybe im just thinking ahead.. or Being paranoic.
But ok..
I think people here dont understand what is likely to happen, at the moment ms lets sites like xda have leaked roms and customs roms and says although they dont like it they are not going to do anything.
come wm7s the devices will have to be unlocked the same way iphones are now and this helps people customize there iphones and put copied games and apps on.
I believe ms wont be so reasonable when xda sites and others start unlocking/cracking wm7s and changing stuff that there trying to control so strongly.
I believe ms will crack down on people and sites messing with roms when wm7s is released like apple does with people with unlocked iphones.
This was what i want know..
No one are speaking about this...
And this is one thing we need to worry about..
WILL WE NEED TO BE IN UNDEGROUND LIFE to do what we are doing today?
How microsoft will feel, when someone here or another site, get acess to full api for free? Or take acess to sistem files, or save the files downloaded from marketplace or install programs withouth THE BIG LINCESE, and close the the doors for BIG BROTHER SIDE OF IM LOOKING INSIDE YOUR PHONE LIKE YU OR NOT POWER, microsoft will have?
This is something XDA MODS need to put in discussion, more than if will or not have copy and paste. or if the wm7 will be BEAUTY.
From what i know and its clear.
More we dont want, MORE APPLE will be. PHONEs will be more a game fluffy plataform than a deep platform like its today ( besides be more friendly.)..
If this happens, COME ON ANDROID... im already loving mine nexus one more than mine hd2 at moment. At last i know a kind of updates and for a time im to have. and WM7 will be the pint of mine definitive choice.
:-(
Hi Everyone,
I'm very worried about all I've eared recently on coming WM7
No cut/paste
No multitasking
No Storage card management
And a MarketPlace build on the Itunes-Jail-Model...
So my question is :
Won't we do something to stop that ?
Would someone start a petition saying that if Microsoft keep going this way, we'll all move to Android !
Maybe I'm just dreaming, but if XDA display this petition everywhere, we might grow fast and make some noise. It's not too late.
What do you think ?
from what I heard everyone at MIX10 loved WP7, as the majority of people will. We are just bunch of freaks. Even XDA camp is split up, at least half of people dig it as well.
It is high time WinMobile moved forward. Donno if Windows Phone 7 is the way to go, but I think the WM interface never really worked when touch screens came in.
As for opening it up, well I agree MS should make it as easy as possible for people to develop for free. Unfortunately it probably won't be, at least for a good while yet which is huge shame.
MS will want to make money from it, and gain market share and for now that means locked down with Apps Store route. Hopefully they will open it up for free developers in time or they will never gain anything over the options.
Won't we do something to stop that ?
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Don't you think they WANT us to TALK about it, until REAL thing will come out...
It looks like weird advert campaign.
But funny, that people who bought their HD2 were simply fooled.
Few millions there, another there...pure FUN.
Honestly, I'd say there's roughly zero chance of XDA or anyone else being able to change Microsoft's mind on these issues prior to WP7 launch. They thought long and hard about all these things and know some of the decisions will make a certain amount of developers and tweakers unhappy, but really they're focused on creating a revolutionary UX, and to do so they need to control certain things more than before. If you've seen the demo apps from MIX hopefully most will agree it's worthwhile pain for the expected gain.
Microsoft isn't turning it's back on the WM dev community though - the tools for developing on WP7 are excellent (so long as you're already doing managed code at least), and now all free. It's impressive the things you can do with Silverlight/XNA/Blend on WP7.
Richard
Man, i much more worrying about that there isn't a release for the Leo, because it has too much buttons (what an idiot reason!!!!). I bought my Leo for wm7. I veryvery disappointed in microsoft. I going to move to Android!
Man, i much more worrying about that there isn't a release for the Leo, because it has too much buttons (what an idiot reason!!!!).
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..because this is not a reason.
This is game about getting attention.
Very, very strange way of advertising, to be honest.
They are sure, that people will buy ANOTHER 500+$ device just to get their feeble bs. Ridiculous.
(personal opinion).
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I bought my Leo for wm7.
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Name it, lol. This is exactly same thing as Kaiser and its drivers(if there is someone who remember these times - users were told they will get DRIVERS...yeah, right - people did not learn, i assume).
I am not against progress - I am against stupidity and fooling people.
g'night.
pupakota said:
I am not against progress - I am against stupidity and fooling people.
g'night.
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Well I agree, there is so much available which is good for wm5, wm6 etc but wp7 with new start should open up even more possibility of graphically rich and media centred experience. In theory that is.
Look at the development between wm5 and wm6, hardly anything in how long? Hopefully it will be updating interfaces only for wm7, spb and htc have both realised that people want more eye candy than wm could provide.
I love windows mobile but I like the iPhone package, only because it appears to work. But I wouldn't buy an iPhone because there might be an app for everything, but with wm there's a free app for everything. (Although not when big companies forget about wm!)
If WP7 is free to develop on, using MS tools, then fingers crossed the draw of fast fancy graphics and features will bring back developers from iPhone only apps. No doubt MS will extract their pound of flesh first but hopefully it won't end up locked down like the iPhone.
Then again, there may only be fancy graphics in WP7 and no substance or power left for anything else, but without WP7 don't you think WM would end up being shelved (and where would the little apps go then? somebody think of the apps). Perhaps Android is the future!
Also, why do they hate hardware buttons, give me a D-pad back please! If want to flick my fingers around I'd take up tiddlywinks.
im sure WP7 will be quite a success, you need to remember that most phone users are not enthusiasts like us. What the general public want and what we want are very different criteria. See how popular Iphone is!
I see no problem with WP7 not having
No cut/paste
No multitasking
No Storage card management
there is already WM 6.5 that does have these things and there is no wait until its released because we already have it.
Maybe in the future when no more WM 6 devices are produced we will have a tough choice on picking a new device, or maybe people will cook 6.5 for the WP7 handsets (upgrade with older version ha ha)
There is nothing we can do. Even if whole xda makes petition or something, who cares about some stupid forum where geeks want do to something?
Also, why do they hate hardware buttons, give me a D-pad back please! If want to flick my fingers around I'd take up tiddlywinks.
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Couldn't agree more. Im suprised that they allow QWERTY.
Also where is competition here? What can phone vendors do to make their phone better? Most stuff is already standarized, so there will be bunch of same devices on market.
Personally I think they're taking all of the flexibility and breadth of applications away from the platform and moving towards the pointless "There's a crApp for that" mentality.
I won't be looking for a phone until towards the end of the year, I'll be taking a serious look at Android and WebOS at that time I believe.
MS won't change it's mind no matter what, they are trying the Apple approach, at least we still have Android, too bad cuz I loved WM...
The best petition is not buying wp7. Believe me..they will get that message real quick. It's not the end of the world. MS forgot that there'r other platform out there (Android).
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The best petition is not buying wp7. Believe me..they will get that message real quick. It's not the end of the world. MS forgot that there'r other platform out there (Android).
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well if they do mess up wm, then think what the combined effort could do with Android instead!
Seems everything nowadays (Not just Windows Mobile) is all about moving towards "locking things down", taking away the control from the regular people ala iphone style... and people seems to just accept it with a smile on their lips.
Companies are trying to control everything their employies (correct english?) do, trying to prevent them to use facebook at work and logs everything they do online... Seriously, what the f^** is going on??? Why not implement internet filters all over the world aswell? Buy the technology from China!
Soon when microsoft have killed windows mobile, android will be the only option for me at least...
Maybe Windows Phone series 7 or whatever they call it will be a huge success, but it's not windows mobile anymore, ok it's finger friendly but the OS will be as restricted as China itself. WM the way we like it will soon be history...
I will enjoy the freedom while it lasts and stick to current wm until I'll switch to Android...
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I won't be looking for a phone until towards the end of the year, I'll be taking a serious look at Android and WebOS at that time I believe.
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From what I've read WebOS is going bye bye. Palm will be switching to Android. Shame. I never used it but from what I've read it had great potential.
I am indifferent to WP7 till i use it myself. I am not upgrading anytime soon and am waiting for a the next step up from the Rhodium(in all aspects) be it an Android or a WP7.
WP7 will take time to work out the kinks. It might not cater to everyones needs at first but I have faith that it will one day be something only Fanatics and Apple Fanboys will hate. <GARTH>"We fear change!"</GARTH>
@ owziee
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Hope that, all of you guys, have signed the petition...
Of course it won't change Microsoft'sMind.
But "Who doesn't do, doesn't get"
It starts there....
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The best petition is not buying wp7. Believe me..they will get that message real quick. It's not the end of the world. MS forgot that there'r other platform out there (Android).
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What do you imagine MS will do if no one buys WP7S? WP7S is the last roll of the dice. If it fails, MS will get out of the mobile device market completely.
Except that it will hardly happen, general public couldn't care less about jails and even breaking them.
I guaranty there will be loads of people who will buy it because they want xbox live and zune on their phones and I reckon I'll join them as I'm getting fed up of phones that suddenly start becoming stuttery randomly, or has bugs that I have to end up waiting for an operator to release their branded version of a to ROM fix because I don't want to void my warranty and basically I don't get the time to endlessly flash new ROMS these days.
But I'll still be hanging onto my WM6.5 HD2
What the major difference between WM and Iphone os..is that the WM is a computer..and Iphone is just a phone with alot of features..
It's two completely different things..and it seems that MS(prolly because they can't stand watching apple getting mo money then they R) with their new WPhone7 decided to abandon pocket computers and start to make phone only OS..and it's pretty disappointing.
personally I love WM platform because it is a pocket PC..not just a fancy phone with whole alot of things inside..and it seems it's over now..they just don't care about us(prolly because we to smart to pay for every lil thing so we're not really profitable)..
SMH.......thats the problem with windows mobile NOW! nomatter what you do, how much your phone can do...its NOT a computer.....windows mobile now is not a computer and nowhere near it, and microsoft has finally realized this as fact which is why they are moving n another direction....wm-ppc-are not PC'S
in fact you cant stand still on that idea... about not a PC but PPC ancient times when Windows CE comes to town everybody knows the OS a "Pocket" PC, cause it can handles: I sharing, desktop remote, exchnage in WM5, PDA features and... the most important thing as "windows is" the multitasks we knows and fell in love with WM due to that, and now many of that will dissapears... why? due to the NON File explorer and Windows features. The Development will be on two fronts now WP6.6 and WP7 will starts from zero again.
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SMH.......thats the problem with windows mobile NOW! nomatter what you do, how much your phone can do...its NOT a computer.....windows mobile now is not a computer and nowhere near it, and microsoft has finally realized this as fact which is why they are moving n another direction....wm-ppc-are not PC'S
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Ofcourse PPC is not a PC..but very close to it..
I think even if they wanna make the totally new os..they shouldnt abandon this one..for exemple Y not develop both of them..
XDA is the biggest internet community in this matter..and what i c the most..is disagreement with new MS politics..but since they(MS) just dont care bout it..they'll will lose some of their loyal clients..
But unfortunately..we don't have mush choice..since one or another of big brothers is gonna dictate their terms..n thats a bad thing about the monopoly..
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in fact you cant stand still on that idea... about not a PC but PPC ancient times when Windows CE comes to town everybody knows the OS a "Pocket" PC, cause it can handles: I sharing, desktop remote, exchnage in WM5, PDA features and... the most important thing as "windows is" the multitasks we knows and fell in love with WM due to that, and now many of that will dissapears... why? due to the NON File explorer and Windows features. The Development will be on two fronts now WP6.6 and WP7 will starts from zero again.
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They made a choice..and not to our favor..
You are in right OP.. Windows 7 is very ugly,and only reason why I like Pocket PC,bcs he is PC in small package...Last good windows been 6.0/6.1... After this Microsoft make serious ****s...Windows 6.1 dont have many things...But he is far away best OS for mobile devices.I used Iphone/Android,and after many testing Win 6.1 is REAL os with must to say....best multitasking.I like Start menu,I like `PC icons` and I like programs for 6.1...I dont want to use Win 7...Win 6.1 have many popular PC apllications,and have all what I ever will need.Windows 7 look like some ugly Iphone....(and yes,Windows is better os than Mac : )
The grammar in this thread is just...terrible. Every...other... sentence...being... separated...by...dots............
Were all you guys posting from iPhones? I know that device can have a deleterious effect on the English language. It's okay to admit it, it is shiny after all.
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The grammar in this thread is just...terrible. Every...other... sentence...being... separated...by...dots............
Were all you guys posting from iPhones? I know that device can have a deleterious effect on the English language. It's okay to admit it, it is shiny after all.
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What's an iPhone...?
Sorry dude,I know macedonian,spanish,russian and serbian.I dont need to know grammar for eng.I can understand you/you can me,where is problem ? Try you to write in my lang : )))
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What's an iPhone...?
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Iphones is mobile phone for kids.With cute icons and animations.
Careful now.
PPC can also mean "PowerPC", "Pocket Personal Computer" or some other meanings. Just a warning not to get your terms mixed up.
LOL @ iPhone post above.
I'm liking Windows Mobile so far... Althrough Win Phone 7 looks like all glossy and not that appealing to me. Isn't WP7 based on CE 6.0? Shouldn't be too hard to hack in a Windows XP-like desktop...
My point was that every post in this thread has bad grammar. In fact it almost looks like every post was made by the same person...
And WP7 is not even close to glossy.
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My point was that every post in this thread has bad grammar. In fact it almost looks like every post was made by the same person...
And WP7 is not even close to glossy.
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hm..really....?
ok, seems everyone hates win7 here... its not that bad.if the phone does its job, its good. i am buying a phone. I'm not going to develop a website on the phone. i have pc for that. but i can listen to music, surf the web, play a game, whatever. the problem with iPhone is that everyone has it. main reason i bought htc mobile. why not steal everything good from iPhone and windows and put it to good use :d
I dont hate WP7 nor loves it, only time will tell what its going to look like. But what i dont like about WP7 is how it is become more look like "others" -read overly simplified popular flashy gadget rather than techie stuffs. WinMo is vastly more advance but i guess being friendly and simple sells more than advance and complicated. Gotta love the iphone, hahahah it is so boring but for what it is, it serves well.
Well i still love WinMo.
WP7 sucks...
hi guys, let me tell you what is going to be the WP7... it is going to be a windows device with iPhone look-a-like in side- NO THANKS!!!
I personaly dont like where things are going for windows mobile, and I believe alot of loyal wm users will turn back on WP7.
Almost forgot... I cant bare loosing my multytasking...
WP7 compare to WM is a step backwards,not forward,that was a sick,profit driven decision made by Microsoft which gonna cost them dearly...
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I dont hate WP7 nor loves it, only time will tell what its going to look like. But what i dont like about WP7 is how it is become more look like "others" -read overly simplified popular flashy gadget rather than techie stuffs. WinMo is vastly more advance but i guess being friendly and simple sells more than advance and complicated. Gotta love the iphone, hahahah it is so boring but for what it is, it serves well.
Well i still love WinMo.
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that's exactly my point!
But anyway..unfortunately we don't have mush choice..and nothing depends on us..
I'll prolly stick with my hd 2 for a moment..n I'll c how things r gonna happen..
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SMH.......thats the problem with windows mobile NOW! nomatter what you do, how much your phone can do...its NOT a computer.....windows mobile now is not a computer and nowhere near it, and microsoft has finally realized this as fact which is why they are moving n another direction....wm-ppc-are not PC'S
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So umm why are you on this forum, go play with your IPHONE
Can you change the bootup on a pc yes
On an iphone no
On an htc diamond yes
hmmmmmm
slaki85 said:
Sorry dude,I know macedonian,spanish,russian and serbian.I dont need to know grammar for eng.I can understand you/you can me,where is problem ? Try you to write in my lang : )))
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pwned lol multi lingual dude
bako.li said:
hi guys, let me tell you what is going to be the WP7... it is going to be a windows device with iPhone look-a-like in side- NO THANKS!!!
I personaly dont like where things are going for windows mobile, and I believe alot of loyal wm users will turn back on WP7.
Almost forgot... I cant bare loosing my multytasking...
WP7 compare to WM is a step backwards,not forward,that was a sick,profit driven decision made by Microsoft which gonna cost them dearly...
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i left halo cause they made it gay for the new players
i will leave wm cause they made it gay for the non techs who dont flash every night
Actually PPC is much more PC than many of us believe.
I remember my first PC form 1994. It was poor Pentium I 66MHz with 16Mb RAM and 450Mb HDD.
Now my wife's Xperia has 528MHz CPU, some memory and a "pitiful" 4Gb storage SDHC. Also X1's 800x480 is almost as good as my first 800x600 CRT.
Which one is more PC? If compared per watt?
I'd like to see WP7 and WinMob multitask OS in parallel.