If HD 2 will be upgradable with WM 7 htc sense will work? or dissapear?
No, no, and not disappear but will continue on with other Mobile OS's such as Android.
shame...can u imagine that HTC rework the Sense to combine with WP7 ...dream...
They won't be able to - at least for now, as Microsoft currently does not allow it, as in: does not provide any APIs for even doing so.
This is not just Sense but all System-UI Changes.
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I was wondering how HTC has created Sense UI?
I would like to code some apps with a "modern" UI, so custom buttons, ... like the controls we can see in Sense.
On one side, I have a Silvermoon-like solution, using .NET and OpenGL. But in this case, I lost the design time features (i.e. rendering the control when I drop it on a form in Visual Studio).
I guess HTC has developed Sense in native. I have some knowledge in Win32 and I'm not too bad in C/C++ programming. But I'm wondering how you develop custom controls in native? Can you benefit from some design-time rendering? Any information about how Sense is coded and native controls programming is welcome...
Edit: for example, the Sense buttons, are they using images or custom drawing?
I don't know anything about the way Sense was developed but native control programming doesn't allow design-time rendering. You have to create your own controls during runtime. So for example if you want to have something like the tabs in TF3D then you have to take a native tab control and overwrite the paint method to draw the background and add pictures on it, manage finger gestures to switch tabs etc. Something along that way. I usually prefer native Win32 programming but if you're doing such GUI things and need a quick solution it might be better using an already existing .NET library, like i.e. the mentioned Silvermoon.
Manila SDK
Hello,
Search ManilaSDK in this forum. It's a set of .net controls that fit Manila looking. On my side, I'm trying to develop another set of controls that will be more "skinnable"
Kridek said:
Hello,
Search ManilaSDK in this forum. It's a set of .net controls that fit Manila looking. On my side, I'm trying to develop another set of controls that will be more "skinnable"
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i think he's talkin about htc sense on android, not on wm!
screw-you-guys said:
i think he's talkin about htc sense on android, not on wm!
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and thats why he went into the windows development thread and not the android thread ?
He means WM of course
i heard that sense is written in lua as is tf3d
I have a T-Mobile HTC TP2. What version of Sense do I have and how can I tell? I am confused also about the difference between Sense, Touch Flow 3d, and how they interact with WM. Assume that they are both from HTC and maybe Sense is the phone software and Touch FLow 3D is the fancy today screen?
Sense and touchflo3d and tf3d and manila are all the same thing. The names have come from different locations over the years. Sense is the new name for any version 2.5 and up I believe.
It is software that runs in windows mobile. It takes over the visual interaction of the phone with the user. It is a more convenient interface than the standards windows mobile home screen. Most importantly it is a customized piece of software that HTC uses to make its windows mobile offering different from other manufacturers. Windows mobile is very much right under the surface, and is not very hard to get to. Just pushing the on screen windows logo will get you there.
The phone would be capable of doing all the same things without the sense interface. The experience would be different. In many cases you would need additional programs to replicate the functions that sense/touchflo roll up into 1 consistent interface.
That all said there are some who hate it, and flash to get rid of it as soon as they get their phone. To each their own. The best part of windows mobile is that you have choices.
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Sense and touchflo3d and tf3d and manila are all the same thing. The names have come from different locations over the years. Sense is the new name for any version 2.5 and up I believe.
It is software that runs in windows mobile. It takes over the visual interaction of the phone with the user. It is a more convenient interface than the standards windows mobile home screen. Most importantly it is a customized piece of software that HTC uses to make its windows mobile offering different from other manufacturers. Windows mobile is very much right under the surface, and is not very hard to get to. Just pushing the on screen windows logo will get you there.
The phone would be capable of doing all the same things without the sense interface. The experience would be different. In many cases you would need additional programs to replicate the functions that sense/touchflo roll up into 1 consistent interface.
That all said there are some who hate it, and flash to get rid of it as soon as they get their phone. To each their own. The best part of windows mobile is that you have choices.
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boufa pretty much summed it all up there...Sense/TF3D/Manila are all referring to the shell interface that HTC built on top of plain 'ol WM. Manila is the name HTC uses for all of them, TF3D and Sense are just versions (kinda like generations) of Manila. The first Sense version was 2.0 technically, but you'll more often see 2.1 and 2.5. TF3D's last version was 2.1, which existed and was distributed at the same time as Sense 2.1 (not on the same model devices though lol)
You're running a stock ROM from Tmobile, right? And, have you upgraded the ROM at all since you bought the phone?
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I have a T-Mobile HTC TP2. What version of Sense do I have and how can I tell? I am confused also about the difference between Sense, Touch Flow 3d, and how they interact with WM. Assume that they are both from HTC and maybe Sense is the phone software and Touch FLow 3D is the fancy today screen?
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You probably have 6.1 if you are using stock Jan 2010 firmware. The way to tell between 2.1 and 2.5 is that 2.5 has shortcut icons below the clock; 2.1 does not.
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You probably have 6.1 if you are using stock Jan 2010 firmware. The way to tell between 2.1 and 2.5 is that 2.5 has shortcut icons below the clock; 2.1 does not.
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Yeah, the odds are you have winmo 6.5, with Sense 2.1......unless you bought the phone before Jan or so, and never upgraded winmo after you bought it. In that case, you have winmo 6.1, with TF3D 2.1 (a manila version before sense)
Bought the HTC TP2 about one month ago. WM 6.1 Prof. I have not upgraded it to 6.5. Plan on doing it but I have loaded so much software in the last month, it will take me a weekend to put it all back on.
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Bought the HTC TP2 about one month ago. WM 6.1 Prof. I have not upgraded it to 6.5. Plan on doing it but I have loaded so much software in the last month, it will take me a weekend to put it all back on.
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Gotcha, yes then what you have on there is TouchFLO3D (TF3D) 2.1, the last version of manila before sense. It looks very much like sense 2.1 in a lot of ways, but there are key differences going on behind the scenes that cause very few visual tweaks and adjustments to be compatible with both versions... but the good news is that pretty much any apps or tweaks you find on this site that say they apply to WM6.1/TF3D 2.1 should also work ok on your phone, even if they're for a different HTC model (the ones that don't will usually say so). There's less and less new TF3D stuff available in the TP2 forums now that every model has a 6.5 upgrade avialable, so you may find more stuff looking in the general windows area of the forums. But, keep an eye here too...beyond sense modifications there's still a ton of great stuff (apps, etc) that you can use on WM 6.1
when apply the t-mobile i upgrade to WM 6.5, will I get Manila, Sense 2.5?
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when apply the t-mobile i upgrade to WM 6.5, will I get Manila, Sense 2.5?
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Nope, 2.1 It still gives you a lot more options than TF3D, but it's nowhere near as versatile as 2.5.
Now, just be prepared for the fact that as you move up in manila versions (TF3D-sense 2.1-sense 2.5), you're likely to notice the phone slow down more. Each version is more "complex" than the last, and therefore more taxing on system resources.
so how do you get sense 2.5 with the tp2, or is that only for the hd2?
Install a custom ROM. If you've even slightly competent and are capable of following instructions carefully, there is basically no risk in installing a custom ROM. You can even revert back to the default ROM if you choose to later on. I don't think you can get rid of HardSPL, unfortunately, but I'm not sure. If you can't then I'm sure you'd probably void your warranty with a custom ROM should the phone encounter some unrelated hardware error later on.
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Install a custom ROM. If you've even slightly competent and are capable of following instructions carefully, there is basically no risk in installing a custom ROM. You can even revert back to the default ROM if you choose to later on. I don't think you can get rid of HardSPL, unfortunately, but I'm not sure. If you can't then I'm sure you'd probably void your warranty with a custom ROM should the phone encounter some unrelated hardware error later on.
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I am slightly compenten and I can follow instructions. But what is HardSPL. And you can only get Sense 6.5 through a customer ROM??
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I am slightly compenten and I can follow instructions. But what is HardSPL. And you can only get Sense 6.5 through a customer ROM??
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Take a look at the ROM development forum, all questions can be answered in the first several topics.
Hi, is it posible to install WM 6.5 onto the HTC Desire HD?
I mean not as a double system, but instead of Android...
My company does not support either Android or WM 7 (email exchange software and communicator software which I must have) so I pretty much must get the HTC HD2 unless I could tweek the Desire HD to work with WM 6.5 until we get Android support in the company. The Desire HD has a better camera and screed so I would prefer to get it instead of the old HD2...
Any thoughts?
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Hi, is it posible to install WM 6.5 onto the HTC Desire HD?
I mean not as a double system, but instead of Android...
My company does not support either Android or WM 7 (email exchange software and communicator software which I must have) so I pretty much must get the HTC HD2 unless I could tweek the Desire HD to work with WM 6.5 until we get Android support in the company. The Desire HD has a better camera and screed so I would prefer to get it instead of the old HD2...
Any thoughts?
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windows mobile is not open source like android, and thus cannot be adapted to non windows mobile handests without considerable work, as yet not one developer anywhere has expressed any intrest in a project like this and on a side note, as you do not own a licence for windows mobile (that you would get with a wm phone) a project like this could be seen as piracy
If your company requires you to check email on the move then surely it's their responsibility to provide you with a suitable phone to do so?
That's how it works at most places I've worked. Where I work now people who need to check work emails remotely get a Blackberry, but most still have their own personal phone too.
What exactly are you unable to do on the DHD that requires WM6.5???
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What exactly are you unable to do on the DHD that requires WM6.5???
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Im wondering too
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even me ....
It's not such a crazy request... I've got certain specialist software on WM6 which the developer isn't releasing on Android or any other platform.
mjt said:
It's not such a crazy request... I've got certain specialist software on WM6 which the developer isn't releasing on Android or any other platform.
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Specialist in what way
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Specialist in what way
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As in they can't justify the cost of making a new version.
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Hi,
thank you for your quick reply. My company has an exchange email software which connects to the main server giving the phone a "blackberry" function. It is not pop3 and we do not have a webmail due to security reasons (or possibly lack of enough resources to maintain it) The software is supported either on WM phones or Iphones. Symbian or Android are not supported. As I basically can chose any phone available from Vodafone, I chose the DHD (yes, I could also get a blackberry but I do not like them) but since the "switch" is not possible I will probably just pick the HD2
Thank you all for your fast replies
Regarding the WM licence. Yes, you are right and I was actually not thinking about it at all! Thanks for the reminder... Do you think it would be possible to get a WM7 phone such as the HTC Mozart or Trophy and install WM6.5 on it? Meaning, I am paying for WM but am installing an older version onto it???
I will post the question onto the proper forum page...
Is your company giving support for iPhone? Might as well remove the support of iPhone too.
HTC Desire HD and windows
i would like to ask about HTC Desire HD if itis windows 6.5 capable or not ?
mohamed jebril said:
i would like to ask about HTC Desire HD if itis windows 6.5 capable or not ?
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Not...
The DHD is an android phone and not a windows phone, simple as, get a HTC HD2, that runs Win Mobile 6.5 and has a pretty good spec...
No, Windows Mobile will not run on the Desire HD.
Further, the Exchange functions will enable your employer to remotely wipe your phone, including all personal files and contacts you have, at their whim (which will be if you leave the company). Never, ever connect your personal devices to your company network, as most policies for that connection will state that they can inspect and monitor any communications or data on that device. Not saying you're hiding anything, just that your personal comms could be monitored by your employer.
Either have them purchase a Blackberry / WM phone for you, or get hold of one from eBay and use that.
Is it possible to run any of these systems on our phone?
especialy WP7 / WM 6.5
in theory: probably yes
but: neither is open source, thus it'll be rather difficult to port them to any device that they aren't ment for, plus, you'd need a license to run these operating systems on your phone and you probably won't get one
alltogether: no, I am not aware of it being possible to run any of these operating systems on an Desire HD
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in theory: probably yes
but: neither is open source, thus it'll be rather difficult to port them to any device that they aren't ment for, plus, you'd need a license to run these operating systems on your phone and you probably won't get one
alltogether: no, I am not aware of it being possible to run any of these operating systems on an Desire HD
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agreed with you.
but you can flash linux ubuntu on dhd as it's free.
and honeycomb too (but still in devolepment) ported in dhd.
It is impossible so far I think.
Theirs a Windows Phone 7 launcher in the android market, You can check that out if you like it. Havent tried it myself yet.
Well basically is this SDK helpful for us with our sense 4 devices or only for the devices that already have sense 4 on them?
http://www.htcdev.com/devcenter/ope...utm_medium=Tweet&utm_campaign=sense4apilaunch
It allows development of apks which can be integrated with the Sense interface.