Apparently Visual Studio 2010 doesn't support WM6.5 app development:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Visu...pport-for-WM-6-x-App-Development-139781.shtml
Since Microsoft are making it hard to develop for both Winphone 7 and WM 6.5 at the same time, does this mean Winmo 6.5 is going to die out soon?
If so, then Microsoft's claims that WM 6.5 will live side-by-side with WM7 were all rubbish.
pkchips said:
Apparently Visual Studio 2010 doesn't support WM6.5 app development:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Visu...pport-for-WM-6-x-App-Development-139781.shtml
Since Microsoft are making it hard to develop for both Winphone 7 and WM 6.5 at the same time, does this mean Winmo 6.5 is going to die out soon?
If so, then Microsoft's claims that WM 6.5 will live side-by-side with WM7 were all rubbish.
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Just because 6.5 will live side by side with WP7 doesn't mean they want you to build new apps. They figure WM6.5 already has enough apps to keep it coasting on it's own for a couple years and they want all new focus to go into WP7. That's the way I see it.
Visual Studio 2008 doesn't stop working because Visual Studio 2010 was released. There's nothing to stop you developing for WM6.5 at all
flashpanda said:
Visual Studio 2008 doesn't stop working because Visual Studio 2010 was released. There's nothing to stop you developing for WM6.5 at all
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What I thought was that since its only possible to program for win7 in visual studio 2010, people will forget about WM6.5 because of the hassle of porting everything to Visual studio 2008 and .NET compact framework.
In other words, they can't just recompile the same code to work in WM6.5, and on top of that, they have to have both Visual studio 2008 and 2010 in their possession.
pkchips said:
What I thought was that since its only possible to program for win7 in visual studio 2010, people will forget about WM6.5 because of the hassle of porting everything to Visual studio 2008 and .NET compact framework.
In other words, they can't just recompile the same code to work in WM6.5, and on top of that, they have to have both Visual studio 2008 and 2010 in their possession.
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If they aren't developing for WM 6.5 already then they probably arent going to in the future meaning they have no reason to get VS 2008 but if they are then they already have 2008 and they just have to install 2010 with it.
Kloc said:
If they aren't developing for WM 6.5 already then they probably arent going to in the future meaning they have no reason to get VS 2008 but if they are then they already have 2008 and they just have to install 2010 with it.
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Yep, but if only they had made visual studio 2010 able to make programs for both WM6.5 and WP7. Then, they could write the program and easily just recompile it for WM6.5 with some changes.
Unfortunately it's not that easy to make a program that works for both WP7 and WM. Obviously the UI differences are huge, but even with regard to business logic you have to make lots of things differently.
You have VS 2008 for Windows Mobile development
You have VS 2010 for Windows Phone 7 development
You can still have source code which you can compile with both 2008 and 2010 but overall I think this doesn't make sense. WP7 development I guess you start it from scratch. If you already had your project developed for WM 6 then this is a great oppertunity to do a re-design to maintain clean code.
So will WM 6.5 app development still occur after WM7?
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As far as commercial software development is concerned, development for Windows Mobile has already stopped. That's not because of VisualStudio versions, of course, it's because WP7 can't run WM software, and there's no point in creating software now for a platform that has already been terminated. This is the reason why Adobe isn't releasing FlashPlayer for Windows Mobile, why we won't see a new WM version of Skype and why (incredibly) even Microsoft has announced a new version of Silverlight for Symbian, but not for WM.
If I may, this conversation seems to be confounding Visual Studio versions with Windows Mobile Development kit APIs.
Has anyone actually tried installing the Windows Mobile 6.5 development kit on a Visual Studio 2010 release and found it to not work? The compiler is most certainly capable of compiling it, the question is whether incompatibilities for development kits have been introduced in 2010. VS 2008 Pro didn't include built in support for Windows Mobile, if I recall, I had to install the dev kit.
I'll check on this tonight when I get home. I'm also curious about whether they'll get the dev kit for WP7 working on 2008. That's likely what MS has been using internally, the question is simply about whether or not they want to release it.
Rob
I have asked Brian Harry (the Microsoft guy) about the support for wm6.5 and wince in vs2010 during his presentation in Moscow and he said that the SDK will be released a few weeks or month after the release of vs2010 and that they're not going to drop the support for old devices
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Operating system maker Microsoft is currently working hard on delivering the next version of Windows Embedded CE in November and on tapping the lucrative market for service-enabled devices. Kevin Dallas, general manager of Microsoft's Windows Embedded Business group, said the company plans to launch Windows Embedded CE 6.0 R2 on Nov. 15 at the Embedded Technology 2007 show in Yokohama, Japan, known as one of the "world's largest trade show and conference for embedded system designers and managers."
The new operating system will be the foundation for service-oriented devices, Dallas told eWEEK in an interview. Windows Embedded CE 6.0 will feature support for Web services on devices, VOIP (voice-over-IP) video technology capabilities and Internet Explorer updates. "We're clear on the opportunity moving forward and we're going to deliver an operating system to go into an intelligent device," Dallas said.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2203123,00.asp
Any chance we can get this to work on Trinity? I have been told that upgrading to 6 at the moment is pointless as it is very slow, whilst this release fixes that and is the same speed as WM5.
Nighthawk2050 said:
I have been told that upgrading to 6 at the moment is pointless as it is very slow, whilst this release fixes that and is the same speed as WM5.
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I haven't noticed much change in speed although it uses more program memory.
It is much slower than WM5.
Nighthawk2050 said:
It is much slower than WM5.
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You are the first one to hear something like that...
Are you serius???
When you are in a clean install try to open the windows folder (with hidden file's enable) in wm5 and try it in wm6 to understund and see what you say.
After that post the result's...
He he
I don't think wm6 is slower than wm5 at least not the versions I have been trying out over the months,plus the icons on wm6 are kind of different and smoother so this could cause the system to lose some speed.
As for the battery,both last the same to me,these are just my personal experiences.
If you ask me wm6 is faster I can notice just by opening the file explorer.
Nighthawk2050 said:
It is much slower than WM5.
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What?!?!?!?...I don't think so...In my opinion, WM6 is way faster...
This is something that has been so debated...
I believe this is talking about real WM6. What we consider WM6 is just a nicer looking WM5 with a few changes. I believe WM 5.2.2 is what WM6 is for us, and the WM6 they're talking about is the real deal.
WM6 is quite faster than WM5
The best way to emphasize the performance difference between WM5 and WM6 is effectively to browse files in the system library.
Difference is huge...
What your talking about there is accessing lists of files, what we are talking about is opening times of applications etc. as in performance benchmarks. WM5 on Trinity is much faster than WM6 in its current form. Hense the reason for the new update from MS.
Windows Embedded CE has nothing to do with Windows Mobile.
Beg to differ as this is will be for both for devices and for mobiles
see below
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS8714882631.html
Oct. 22, 2007
Microsoft reportedly has been talking more than usual about the future of embedded Windows OSes. Recent revelations range from the short-term -- the release of "Windows CE 6.0 R2" next month -- to a long-term vision of "MinWin," the stripped-down kernel that will be at the heart of "Windows 7."
Windows CE 6.0 R2, XP Embedded SP3, Vista Embedded
Regarding Windows CE 6.0 R2, Kevin Dallas, general manager of Microsoft's Windows Embedded business group, used an interview with our sister publication, eWEEK.com, to reiterate plans first revealed in his keynote at September's Embedded Systems Conference (ESC) in Boston. The new version of Windows CE will feature new support for Web services on devices, new VoIP (voice-over-IP) video technology capabilities, and Internet Explorer updates, he said.......................
Or
Windows Embedded CE 6.0 R2 Launch
http://msevents.microsoft.com/CUI/W...&EventCategory=2&culture=en-US&CountryCode=US
It's WinCE not mobile!
As for WinMob, M$ will update WM6 Standart to Wm 6.1 Standart at may 2008.
http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/microsoft-blogger-leaks-windows-mobile-6-1/2007-10-02
New type of menu will be available in wm7 Prof wich will be released in 2009
I thought that WM 6.1 is out already, after reading all the articles and seeing the video demonstrating the OS. do u guys have any good guess when it might come out, i would love to see the Dash with that kicking ass home screen and improved ROM.
I have been curious to know also. Everything I have read states that Microsoft will officially announce it in February, and new devices will start shipping with it in May. Given that, I would expect updates for older devices by year's end. I hope that the Dash gets the update.
Windows Mobile 6.1
Looks similar to what HTC and T-Mobile did with the T-Mobile shadow device. Changed the way the user navigates through the menus to make it "easier" anded a new homescreen and that was about it. I cant wait for win mobile 7 next year or so hopefully.
So the WM 6.1 will be announced in Feb 11:
The first vital news item is exact time and place of Microsoft's press conference, where, most likely, the Windows Mobile 6.1 will be announced:
Mobile World Congress 2008: February 11, 2008
15:00-16:00 Microsoft Press Conference
Microsoft Executive Meeting Centre
Hotel Catalonia Plaza
(organized by Microsoft Mobility Team at Weber Shandwick - a PR company that Microsoft uses)
Most likely the main speaker will be Pieter Knook (the highest in hierarchy manager responsible for Windows Mobile and not for other unrelated divisions) together with some other top managers from Microsoft and Microsoft partner companies (operators and manufacturers).
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Looks similar to what HTC and T-Mobile did with the T-Mobile shadow device. Changed the way the user navigates through the menus to make it "easier" anded a new homescreen and that was about it. I cant wait for win mobile 7 next year or so hopefully.
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Well, threaded SMS, IE zooming and page preview... not just homescreen
Any Updates
I am seeing a lot of 6.1 related posts for other phones, but nothing on the Excalibur. Does anyone have any updates/links for a 6.1 ROM for the Excalibur?
i'd love an update too. i read on another site a quick writeup. they said for smartphone the 6.1 update will help to resolve (note: not fix entirely) the memory leaking issues. that's my biggest hope, that and an updated IE... though with the new opera coming out, it might be outdone before it even has a chance anyway.
Windows Mobile 6.1 is out, emulator images also
Here is the official press release for Windows Mobile 6.1
EveryWAN Remote Support and Mobility Manager already work on those OS flavors.
You can download the Windows Mobile 6.1 emulator images.
Don't play too late with it this night !
Hi, I'm an experienced developer (C,C++,C#,Delphi,Java) and I did some stuff with XNA Studio with Visual Studio Express 2008.
What exactly do I need to start developing apps/games for windows mobile smartphones?
Sorry I tried the search but I'm not able to find anything useful, maybe I used the wrong keywords.
Decide what to use! For Windows Mobile you can use C/C++, .Net ( "Compact Framework" ), FreePascal (as you mention Delphi - this is my own favorite), I think there is even a VB for WM.
For C/C++ you will need to get the Windows Mobile SDK, this is available from Microsoft. API is very much like "slimmed down" Win32 API. For .Net, Google "Compact Framework", or ".Net CF SDK" or something similar.
I am not completely sure, but I think you will need commercial version of Visual Studio. As I recall, "express" / free version does not support WinCE / WM compilation (this is probably why you did not find the option to compile for Windows Mobile)
Good luck!
Thanks! I have both Visual Studio 2008 (non express too) and Rad Studio 2009 (delphi 2009) ...
As I want to get into game development, I'd like to have access to the full power of the phone Using Visual Studio with the SDK might be better, because as I've read it comes with a WM6 emulator...
Any ideas on where I can find tutorials, to display graphics on the phone?
I program using VS08 and the SDK with VB. Not doing anything fancy at the moment, but it does come with an emulator. I haven't figured out how to actually deply it on to the device yet tho.
When you deploy or debug the application it should usually give the option to deploy to a device or emulator. The device of course needs to be connected to ActiveSync.
Also theres a port of QT to Windows Mobile, which seems to work but far more tricky to set up and get working that just using .NET CF it seems
HI there,
I would like to start coding for Windows Mobile 6 with Visual Studio 2008. But when I start a new project "Intelligent Device" - I get the picture of a pocket pc with 240*480 px and I can only use the WM 5 emulator.
I already installed the Microsoft WM 6 Prof. SDK, but nothing changed in my Visual Studio 2008 installation.
How can I start coding for VGA and WVGA devices? Could you please help me little out.
I think I fixed it by uninstalling and reinstalling VS2008, maybe you can try that? It was a long time ago so I don't really remember, sorry.
lamajstro said:
HI there,
I would like to start coding for Windows Mobile 6 with Visual Studio 2008. But when I start a new project "Intelligent Device" - I get the picture of a pocket pc with 240*480 px and I can only use the WM 5 emulator.
I already installed the Microsoft WM 6 Prof. SDK, but nothing changed in my Visual Studio 2008 installation.
How can I start coding for VGA and WVGA devices? Could you please help me little out.
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after u create a smart device project, hit project/change target platform and select a WM6 version
HI All,
I developed one application using VS 2008 with 2.5 .NET . Application is working good in my WM6.1 but i am not sure it can run on WM7 without any modification?
I do not have any WM7 set so i can test, i will appreciate if some one can make me clear?
Thank You
It should run fine on WM 6.5 but it will not run on Windows Phone 7, it is a whole different ball game altogether, a complete break from the model used from WM2003 through to WM6.
You will have to download the WM7 SDK over Visual Studio 2010 and rewrite it from scratch.
Is it worth the effort?
WinP 7 apps can be C#... Depending on what app you wrote part of it may be used in 7 but you'll most likely have to at least rewrite the UI.
Can anyone please give me the download for WM7 SDK for Visual Studio 2008?
Thank You
There isn't one. You need VS 2010, an express version of it comes with the SDK at:
http://create.msdn.com/en-us/home/getting_started