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So, for some reason i was just lurking around the Desire forums... they're seriously hurting, they are way behind in terms of development, compared to the Nexus One. Does anybody know why this might be? Since they're basically the same phone, why isn't the Desire (so to speak) neck and neck with the Nexi?
I know that the Nexus One is like the biggest badass of all the phones, and quite frankly i don't know why i'm even asking this, but i'm curious.
Because we have Cyanogen, Kmobs and many other amazing devs
It was the same if you compared the hero with the G1 and Mytouch. I think it's because of the framework of HTC and the HTC phones aren't that open as the nexus. this is why i like my Nexus
I owned a Hero and damn the development on the OS was pathetic the only one who really worked on Hero was Paul (modaco) the others did there best to. but it was nothing i even couldn't put CM on Hero. When the 2.1 came out it was ported to G1 but the hero had to wait, wait for a long time. there where some 2.1 releases for the hero but never worked 100%.
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So, for some reason i was just lurking around the Desire forums... they're seriously hurting, they are way behind in terms of development, compared to the Nexus One. Does anybody know why this might be? Since they're basically the same phone, why isn't the Desire (so to speak) neck and neck with the Nexi?
I know that the Nexus One is like the biggest badass of all the phones, and quite frankly i don't know why i'm even asking this, but i'm curious.
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Nexarse one is a half decent phone, wouldn't say it was neck and neck with the superior desire but its ok considering they are similar. The problem is htc. I suspect a deal has been struck between google and htc giving the google phone a slight priority in terms of software release. Either way it don't matter massivley, because if people want froyo on there desire, they can get it. The same as all those nexus one users who wanted sense on there handsets,(but obviously on a lesser phone
By the way, hows that trackball holding out?
Dunbad said:
Nexarse one is a half decent phone, wouldn't say it was neck and neck with the superior desire but its ok considering they are similar.
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What are you, five? "Nexarse" is sure the height of witticism, just like "windoze" and "micro$oft." Sorry, boy, but the two phones are nearly identical except yours doesn't have a noise-canceling mic. Your fanboyism is wasted; it's like stamping your foot and whining that the HTC Hero is better than the Eris when the two are actually the same phone, with identical internals.
The same as all those nexus one users who wanted sense on there handsets,(but obviously on a lesser phone
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An ex-Apple fan by any chance? Your attitude's similar. And I've yet to hear of anyone's trackball falling out, ahaha. "Lesser"? Paul O'Brien recommends a Nexus over a Desire--he's got both--and I'll take his (much more knowledgeable) opinion over an immature fantard's any time.
I personally don't think development is going that badly, you have to remember the nexus one has 4 months over the release of the desire and it not being a world wide release doesn't help, hopefully things will pick up more when it gets official releases in the USA
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So... five?
Btw, the OP didn't mean it as sarcasm because this thread was originally posted to the Nexus One forums. Durrrrr.
Thread cleaned, show respect to other members rules are there to be followed.
Back on topic.
Easy, the nexus one isn't as locked down as the desire. And because a lot more people have a nexus one.
Sendt with Swype via tapatalk on my Desire.
I would have bought the nexus if it had been available because of the reasons above.
But it wasn't in Holland until now, I really do like Sense and all the fluff it adds, i'm not particularly bothered about banging a Rom onto a new device as far as i can tell it's not broken.
So only my posts get deleted, ok.
Let me try again in a more respectful and polite manner.
My initial response was to what I ASSUMED was abit of a tongue in cheek question. It got a tongue in cheek response together with my answer. It was simple sarcasm. It appears however the op posted this on the nexus forum and it was moved by moderators. The op probably did not even realize it would end up here. My response was wrong to the Equally disrespectful response that I got and apologize to anyone who saw it.
i dont know why dunbad is in trouble here for posting something that was intended to be funny
since when is it that if you post a joke you get some pompous person sitting in front of his computer with a thesaurus, dictating some sort of speech against the inhumanity of a sense of humour?
geez some people really need to lighten up
nexus one and htc desire, pretty much identical hardware wise, the nexus one has a noise cancelling mic, the htc desire has a bit more ram
nexus one runs stock android meaning its highly customizable
htc desire has htc sense which works really well, and is soon to get froyo like the nexus one
the development in the nexus one forums is SO great because youre all trying to get sense on your phones, lets face it it just takes one look at your development section to see that, what does the htc desire ACTUALLY need developed? its already got root, we CAN put whatever we want on, most people dont because it works perfect already. Froyo's readily available from the devs here, IF we want, and anyway we're getting it officially in a few days, so in all honestly, software and development wise, the htc desire wins hands down
easy as that
The nexi is great but I've noticed an issue with the "nexi." That doesn't seem to effect the desire. If you post a thread on xda nexi forum, the post somehow disappears, somehow reappears elsewhere and a little one liner appears in the subject field that says "MOVED". Its really odd. It happens loads. Go check out there general forums. Software maybe? Hardware? A bug perhaps? Don't know but either way the desire doesn't seem anywhere near as badly "effected."
People are saying this or that's better about either phone, but at the end of the day I wish I'd had got a nexi, in these difficult financial times I could have saved some money.
But anyway, I thank cgrec, but I don't see froyo coming to the desire officially anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm convinced that this has everything to do with handshakes in smoke filled backrooms between google and htc, froyo will be a few months away yet.i hope I'm wrong.
With all the work this community has gone into getting Android to work on the TP2/Tilt2, would you be disappointed or upset if HTC developed and released a full featured and functional Android build for the TP2/Ttilt2
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With all the work this community has gone into getting Android to work on the TP2/Tilt2, would you be disappointed or upset if HTC developed and released a full featured and functional Android build for the TP2/Ttilt2
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No, more like excited. Seeing as that's what all this work has gone into trying to accomplish in the first place. lol
Bah! I can't vote right on my own poll...
I can't wait for full Android on this or my next phone whoever makes it.
why would i be disappointed? it would give more access for the devs here to work with.
I would hope that HTC worked with the xda developers to create an android rather than voiding all the existing work.
However if HTC did release one I bet it would solve many of the problem the xda guys have had and would enable them to finish alternative flavours of Android for the TP2.
Either way having android for the TP2 would be just awesome whoever cracks it.
I vote yea because I am not an end user, all these end users probably voted no because they would just be satisfied that theres a working build, but they give no credit to the people that have taken time out of their lives to get something working that a lot of people would have no idea how to do. and yet the devs get no credit...
I want to dump my phone for android based phone.
I think even the devs would love it, because they could then focus their efforts on modding and creating apps which they are really good at and really enjoy instead of backward engineering what has already been done.
I wish...
I wish they would, but it probably won't happen. I'm sure there is already a strain on the HTC-Microsoft relationship because most (if not all) of their new high-end devices are Android based, with the exception of the HD2 (which isn't really new anymore). I'm sure HTC is developing WP7 devices but most of their focus right now seems to be on Android. If they release an Android build for a WinMo device, Microsoft will probably throw a fit. I'm sure HTC wants to do it to spike sales and increase the "lifespan" of the Rhodium, but it would not be in their best interest. However, if there are any HTC engineers and such listening, please feel free to "leak" unofficial 2.1 or 2.2 builds to the geniuses here. 3.0 is welcome as well...
I would love it, but please, don't get my hopes up.
i wouldnt be BUT i do realize the hard work and effort the devs. have made on this project. im sure it would make things easier for devs. then they could focus on modding and apps.
i will never ever turn on the freakin window-mo......more and more and more then happy if Htc release the official Android 3.0 a.k.a. Gingerbread build
HTC would never do this. So the hypothetical question shouldn't even be answered.
I think i would go buy it.
I would like to see a rom with android and wm working as one but back to the question u would have to think about money they would make with people switching n buying another htc phone with andriod but I do think they should lend an helping hand with getting the sound to work
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So I have a wildfire, I was on a tight budget and I bought it when it first released...I love this phone and it's still going strong overclocked at 768 mhz with CM 7.1, and I'm gonna have to keep it for while (I'm broke) ...but my question is, I'm insanely grateful to all the devs still working on the wildfire, thanks so much guys you make our day...but if they all get the latest and greatest Android phones, lots of them keep on at the wildfire stuff...what's the incentive, just wondering
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Most devs don't sell their Wildfire after they upgrade, so, it's easy to continue working on it. If they sell it, they stop developing. As far as I can tell, only schiznik (Devnull / Oxygen) doesn't have a Wildfire of his own.
Another "incentive" (if you can call it that, I won't) is that the Wildfire section is far less crowded. One look at the popular phones forums, and they get excess of 2000+ posts per day and get >1 new ROM per day (figuratively speaking), so, its extremely easy to lose track of your own work in the crowd.
Wildfire reason
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Most devs don't sell their Wildfire after they upgrade, so, it's easy to continue working on it. If they sell it, they stop developing. As far as I can tell, only schiznik (Devnull / Oxygen) doesn't have a Wildfire of his own.
Another "incentive" (if you can call it that, I won't) is that the Wildfire section is far less crowded. One look at the popular phones forums, and they get excess of 2000+ posts per day and get >1 new ROM per day (figuratively speaking), so, its extremely easy to lose track of your own work in the crowd.
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Thanks, that makes sense, the Devnull ROM is entirely AOSP if i'm not mistaken?
And what would be a correct word other than "incentive" ?
So essentially to get exposure for your work and better detailed help and progress when building ROMS and development, people choose these forums...
It's all for fun and community (Unless someone is a professional). When I used to be a theme creator for Nokia's S60 Symbian Devices some years back, it always gave me a sort of buzz to contribute to the community and be appreciated for your efforts.
Also, there's always a desire to get the maximum out of your device. If this didn't exist, probably, dev forums would never have existed.
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It's all for fun and community (Unless someone is a professional). When I used to be a theme creator for Nokia's S60 Symbian Devices some years back, it always gave me a sort of buzz to contribute to the community and be appreciated for your efforts.
Also, there's always a desire to get the maximum out of your device. If this didn't exist, probably, dev forums would never have existed.
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That's true, the community (myself included) are grateful for you guys cause otherwise we'd still be on stock 2.2 Froyo from HTC (boring!!)...and there's always things the manufacturer doesn't want you to do on their product...the devs just show how much better a product (in this case the WildFire) can be than it's original form thanks to some creative work and effort...
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As far as I can tell, only schiznik (Devnull / Oxygen) doesn't have a Wildfire of his own.
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I do now
Bought myself a cheap one from a friend who's upgraded to the SGS2...
schiznik said:
I do now
Bought myself a cheap one from a friend who's upgraded to the SGS2...
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Haha yeah phew the Wildfire dev community lives on
I wish that it should live on and on...I rooted ma wildfire with the help of androidybloidy...just a salute to him....thanks bro..
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Desire development is seem to be going dead..
Doesn't feel good but.. really the development section is slowly going dead...
Captain Obvious to the rescue?
If you decided to have a rant, at least write a few sentences so that we have something to read?
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Yeah... I can see that too. Most "real developer" have moved to other device section. What we have now that still in Desire development is Alex-V (still active) and Coolexe will show up once in a while. Droidzone stops developing ROMs due to job commitment. Well, I'm talking about the real developer for Sense not AOSP and real developer, not modders. Once both Alex-V and Coolexe stop developing for Desire, we can expect a dead end for Desire.
every phone has a shelf life . just wait for ur upgrade and hope that the dev community is as good/helpful as this one
Gotta expect it on a 2 yo device. when you see Runnymede AIO and RSK 6 it's hard to see how much further this thing can be pushed. It's already amazing what's possible compared with what HTC intended for it, but there comes a time...
Its normaly said the device is as good as its developers, but after being part of xda for such a long time i really belive the device is as good as its supporters..! and the more the supporters move towards new devices (Especially alot these days due to the end of 2 year contracts) the lesser is the need for any one to bring something new to the device because not many are interested in using it.
And as far as the developers are concerned alot of the dev's were first supporters who really learned to develop as a process to get something new to their own and everyones devices. Many of them dont take official classes to become dev's it just takes a willing supporter of the device n community to actually give in imp time and learn and try developing.
Buh anyways The HTC DESIRE was a great 2 year run, for its money, hardware and this community..! Thankx to All The Dev's for giving us way more than HTC could ever deliver. The Desire was truely a developer phone.. just hope we see the same support in a future device !
I will probably keep my desire for another 2 years. Here in the UK you get massive reductions in line rental if you do not upgrade with a new handset. Besides that I see nothing on the market that's worth upgrading for.
It's all just gimmicks with software bugs, at least my desire is finally at a stage where everything works as planned. I'm still a stock Rom user and by browsing this forum I can see lots of upgrade potential if I venture into the dark side (go rooted).
I don't know how it works elsewhere but here in the UK the average consumer is pretty clued up on phones and most will search the net for bugs before choosing a phone.
I know quite a few iPhone users who have not upgraded to 4s and have instead opted to stay with their current iPhones and benefit from cheaper line rental.
There is also a recession so that means people are looking to save money. Old desires from the UK get sent to new owners in 3rd world countries. Basically the desire is here for another 2 years easily so it makes sense for developers to stick with it.
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Yeah... I can see that too. Most "real developer" have moved to other device section. What we have now that still in Desire development is Alex-V (still active) and Coolexe will show up once in a while. Droidzone stops developing ROMs due to job commitment. Well, I'm talking about the real developer for Sense not AOSP and real developer, not modders. Once both Alex-V and Coolexe stop developing for Desire, we can expect a dead end for Desire.
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Alex v already move to sensation xl..
Maybe you can continue desire development..
Because you help so many people.
And me also learn a lot from you..
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Xda should have a Hall of Fame. First to get crowned the HTC Desire. Any one here from Desires introduction and still has it will know of all the Dev. work done over two tears. I will always hang onto mine too much of a classic to let go.
I also have an Evo 3d (not mine but owner hates it) SGS2 and Nexus One. My Desire is still my daily driver. Some of the best Devs have worked on the Desire and I still check here regularly. So to the Rom Devs, Themers, Modders and Contributors no matter how small the contribution it has been a terrific two years.
If I can single out Madmaxx for the Touch Recovery as the greatest piece of Tech to grace the Desire and Alpharev for S-Off. Just my opinion.
Of course everybody is moving. The HTC Desire is now > two years old. Thats the smartphone lifecycle I think. Dont unterstand me wrong, I absolutely love my desire because its such a reliable phone.
It's long dead. There is very little to no development on it right now. The things you see most on the development section nowadays are merely applied knowledge learned from 'true' development that happened a year or so ago. I see this section going to the legacy devices list pretty soon.
I can't see any problems here. There are loads of stable roms - cyanogen mod, oxygen, even moded or rooted senses, there is no need to spend time on an old device, when it already has reached it's maximum
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Xda should have a Hall of Fame. First to get crowned the HTC Desire.
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The HD2 should be crowned first place, that's the phone that just won't die.
There are plenty of nice Roms in the Desire Section but as with my old phones, HTC Touch HD, HTC HD2 and now HTC Desire they all become old and newer phones come out. That is life. I am getting a new phone myself and looking into what is hot and got the most potential but I will still keep my Desire and hopefully look for new Roms like Sense 3.6 and Sense 4 and 100% working ICS Roms. The new phone will probably have ICS installed or upgraded but I still love Flashing new Roms just for sake of it, isnt that what we all love doing.
One thing for certain, the Desire will go down as one of the most remembered phones.
Desire and g1 best phones ever
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CM 7.2 is coming.
ICS drivers from Qualcomm is also released, let's see if something catches fire soon enough
Also, the desire hardware is kinda limited after 2 years of development.
I've only had my Desire for a year now, and moved to a custom ROM about half a year ago (InsertCoin 2.3.3) once my hunger for apps started giving me storage issues.
Am now on Sandvold ICS and LOVE the UI and HWA speed. Unfortunately, the daily random crashes I'm experiencing mean that a bit more development is needed.
As long as ICS gets stable I'm happy.
The phone is two HTC generations old now, and over 2 years since it was released. I think ICS will be the last Android version to see the Desire.
Still, there is plenty of development going on for ICS in my opinion. A new version of CM9 was just released, Sandvold has his stock version, and a development thread for Sense 4.0 has just opened. There is probably a good 6 months worth of work left.
This was my first android and parting ways with it is going to be hard but yeah we have to move on some time. No new developments rom wise besides the ics and potential ics sense stuff...
I'd say the desire still got some steam left in him
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Kalavere said:
The HD2 should be crowned first place, that's the phone that just won't die.
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Hahaha that's true!!
Never dies
Tapatalking
See here: http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/
Who can conatct to HTC to request ICS for Desire ?!
This thread need to move to general.
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See here: http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/
Who can conatct to HTC to request ICS for Desire ?!
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Huge number of people had already signed a petition on rmd-team.ru, and the petition had been sent.
However, I don't see any point in this - HTC WON'T upgrade Desire anymore. All our hopes to ICS (which are being fulfilled more and more) lie with fellow devs.
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HTC can't release ICS for the Desire because Sense won't fit on the /system partition(they can't go hacking about like our devs can). Google wouldn't even release AOSP ICS for the Nexus One because it lacked space.
About petition:
It's true I sent it.
Their answers:
"Thank you. We have forwarded your message to the appropriate department."
After a few days...
"Unfortunately, this update isn't planned. We apologise."
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HTC can't release ICS for the Desire because Sense won't fit on the /system partition(they can't go hacking about like our devs can). Google wouldn't even release AOSP ICS for the Nexus One because it lacked space.
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Exactly. HTC can't update the desire with ics, because all factory roms have to fit a devices internal partitions, which sense ics will never do (hell, they couldn't even do a proper gb release)
Instead of pointlessly hoping for an official release, help and support the devs that are already getting it working. Its the only way ics is ever being developed for the desire.
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Exactly. HTC can't update the desire with ics, because all factory roms have to fit a devices internal partitions, which sense ics will never do (hell, they couldn't even do a proper gb release)
Instead of pointlessly hoping for an official release, help and support the devs that are already getting it working. Its the only way ics is ever being developed for the desire.
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I trust shaky with the task.....he has probably already done more then anyone could have hoped when sense 4 was released.... Big thumbs up for him...... He's doing more then HTC....
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This is why devs rule over manufacturers. They can get the job done.
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Exactly. HTC can't update the desire with ics, because all factory roms have to fit a devices internal partitions, which sense ics will never do (hell, they couldn't even do a proper gb release)
Instead of pointlessly hoping for an official release, help and support the devs that are already getting it working. Its the only way ics is ever being developed for the desire.
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I don't think a company like HTC is incapable of making an update that could change the hboot and create a ext3/ext4 partition on an sd card and make it posibile to install ics with sense4 on the Desire. The thing is that it wouldn't be beneficial for them concidering that they are after all a company that "makes" devices. If they did that then neighter of us would even concider buying a new device than that would mean bancrupcy for them. The main purpose for any company is selling, wheater it's a real or virtual product and HTC produces phisical products not just the software that completes them.
They said initialy that the Desire isn't capable of running GB never the less a version with Sense on it... after that they said that no mater what it can't run ICS... and in that light how many of us can tell them wrong.
In a final saying, it's just down to the devs like Sandvold or Shaky or any of them on XDA and not to create a rom that shows them that there are other people that have a reputation that is earned through hard work and our endless apreciation and deepest respect.
Sorry for my english as it isn't my main language.
Kind regards.
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pushu.x said:
I don't think a company like HTC is incapable of making an update that could change the hboot and create a ext3/ext4 partition on an sd card and make it posibile to install ics with sense4 on the Desire. The thing is that it wouldn't be beneficial for them concidering that they are after all a company that "makes" devices. If they did that then neighter of us would even concider buying a new device than that would mean bancrupcy for them. The main purpose for any company is selling, wheater it's a real or virtual product and HTC produces phisical products not just the software that completes them.
They said initialy that the Desire isn't capable of running GB never the less a version with Sense on it... after that they said that no mater what it can't run ICS... and in that light how many of us can tell them wrong.
In a final saying, it's just down to the devs like Sandvold or Shaky or any of them on XDA and not to create a rom that shows them that there are other people that have a reputation that is earned through hard work and our endless apreciation and deepest respect.
Sorry for my english as it isn't my main language.
Kind regards.
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Why are you taking side of manufacturer ?
We are customers, we paid good money to buy a device which should get updated for a couple of years.........specially Android as it is open source.....
See Linux, Ubuntu, Firefox do they charge for updates......
Heck, take APPLE for example, i heard they still give updates for 3g which was released quite a while ago......
I'm not saying your wrong, but why are you thinking from HTC standpoint? They already have too much profit margins......people will still buy new phones even if old ones get updated.........
For example, you can still run the latest windows and apps on a Pentium4 HT even though ITS STONE AGED......see my point? People haven't stopped buying core i7 due to it.......
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Guys you're forgetting the obvious here. HTC does not have to release ICS on the Desire because it is now older than 2 years from initial shipping. Also there's limitations on hardware such as low internal memory. Do not say SD ext as not everybody will understand the point of sd ext. With froyo the last proper ota ROM do not expect any proper updates in the future. Shaky is working on a 3.0 kernel so expect some major improvements when that is released.
If you really want ICS sell your desire and buy a 2nd hand nexus s.
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Another point is: The least of users would even want to install an official update, because of hardware limitations (too few memory) it could never be an OTA. You all know that, without sd-ext our Desires are nearly unusable. And because of that it would be a download-and-use-at-your-own-risk-thing, as 2.3.3 was. I'd say that the 2.3.3 update was also installed mostly by experienced users, who'd also install a custom rom. So why even release one, if there's plenty of custom roms availible? HTC can use their manpower better. So stop complaining, buy a new phone or use any ICS rom.
BTW, we can call ourselves lucky that the desire even got so many updates. See for example some Motorola phones which are still stuck on 2.1. And that's not because of hardware, but the companies not willing to update. HTC is one of the better, as they still plan to upgrade some of the older devices.
Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Why are you taking side of manufacturer ?
We are customers, we paid good money to buy a device which should get updated for a couple of years.........specially Android as it is open source.....
See Linux, Ubuntu, Firefox do they charge for updates......
Heck, take APPLE for example, i heard they still give updates for 3g which was released quite a while ago......
I'm not saying your wrong, but why are you thinking from HTC standpoint? They already have too much profit margins......people will still buy new phones even if old ones get updated.........
For example, you can still run the latest windows and apps on a Pentium4 HT even though ITS STONE AGED......see my point? People haven't stopped buying core i7 due to it.......
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Never took sides with anyone... because I am in comerce and trade I was just stating a personal opinion on a marketing policy. Besides the fact that I own a HTC product I have no other connection to them... so no need for me to take sides.
And as for linux, firefox, opera and all other "software" developers it makes sense to keep updating because their products only live on others hardware.
Never meant to offend anyone, sorry if I've left that impression.
As for an ICS OTA, even if it were to be released, after using custom ROMs for more than a year now and such a great experience I, personaly, wouldn't go back to stock.
Kind regards.
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