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Does TP2 meet ANDROID 2.2's hardware requirements?
Nope. most devices that would get a froyo update have snapdragons under the hood something our rhodiums dont have
ive read in several places and posts frm owners that the FROYO is overhyped. or not really all that much different frm the previous releases. i know its supposedly alot faster with the JIT Compiling. i guess thats the main difference and the fact that the new flash player10 wrks great with it. people sleeping on Rhodium. its always like that with new devices. they get upgraded processors. there are ways around that, which i hope someone figures out soon ;-) just like with cars, we can tweak it to at least get closer to Snapdragon speeds.
overclocking the processer or tweaking froyo
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overclocking the processer or tweaking froyo
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well i meant overclocking the processor to where its faster and still stable. tweaking could probaly also be done on the software(FROYO) side of things. if older phones with even less processing power can port Android, then we can get the Froyo. i know its not that simple but it can be done. just depends on how much wrk someone is willing to put in on it. like for instance, i edited my startup txt to overclock my processor in the android build. im at 633MHz. stock max processor speed in windows mobile is like 528MHz. so with that overclock alone, increased the horsepower..lol, by more thn a hundred. now my live wallpapers fly across the screen instead of stuttering. i have virtually no lag now. plus i could even go up somemore on the overclocking. . it does have a drawbck. if i put the phone to sleep, it wont wake up..lmfao . who cares, just dont put the phone to sleep then. Android on Rhodium is more of a research and testing things out, at least for me. im luvin it so far, so i cant complain about what its missing at the moment. Im grateful for what wrks at the moment. this is the best cab by far that ive ever downloaded, and its free. u cant beat that. basically a free Android OS.
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Nope. most devices that would get a froyo update have snapdragons under the hood something our rhodiums dont have
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bull****.
there is no such "requirement" for froyo.
furthermore, TP2 never had an official android release to have an official denial that it will ever be ported.
i'm sure devs are already looking at porting froyo to TP2 and other phones.
Best/easiest case solution is to backport some of the parts of compatible Froyo into the TP2 AOSP Eclair build. This has been a common practice in custom roms. There's already G1 roms with Froyo partially working. There's no reason not to have at least some Froyo features baked into TP2 Eclair.
At this point, whats the use of moving on to Froyo on the TP2? We'll migrate just to restart back to a point where nothing works? Backport some parts of Froyo onto Eclair and beef up Eclair to a point where the major issues are resolved.
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Also, there needs to be more people that have a better working knowledge of Android/linux than just the devs. Fixes, hacks, mods all come from a community effort. Not enough information is shared on this forum, and it comes at the cost of progression for our devices.
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There's no reason not to have at least some Froyo features baked into TP2 Eclair.
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so do it. talking is easy, actually doing takes skills.
In theory 2.2 should run better on the rhodium than 2.1 ever has now that it has a huge upgrade to the Dalvik vm JIT, meaning this makes much better use of the processor, this is proven in the current builds on the nexus one. I agree that we would essentially be starting over as far as useability but the developers have already done the ground work so a full upgrade to 2.2 will not take as long as the first porting of android. So if you all just want to sit back and be happy with what you have than go ahead, but in my opinion 2.2 would be a very valuable upgrade as i'm sure that 2.3 and beyond will be.
No, It can be done on every Android Phone, so also the TP2 would be able (if you look at the specs) to run Android 2.2.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...t-even-the-g1-google-io-blitz-coverage-day-1/
And it will make the devices faster So I think there is a possability. I hope the android devs for TP2 will give it a try
Yes it can, but it will take a lot of work
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Nope. most devices that would get a froyo update have snapdragons under the hood something our rhodiums dont have
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HTC will release official froyo rom for HERO and later devices, TP2 has same hardware installed as HERO
but the key problem is drivers, HERO's screen solution is lower than TP2, so HERO have different GPU driver to TP2
i hope hackers will give us some good idea..hah
I'm ready.. been duel booting android and I have to say I like it.. Didn't think I would but I do. It's faster and easy to use
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I'm ready.. been duel booting android and I have to say I like it.. Didn't think I would but I do. It's faster and easy to use
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how did you do that?
i tried flash dual boot rom which found in TP2 CDMA, but it is always mess up during first time loading
mxxcon said:
so do it. talking is easy, actually doing takes skills.
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It is actually easy, I've done it and pretty much anyone can do it with simple common sense on any native Android phone. Making your very personal use ROM with backported parts is really common. It doesn't actually take that much skill because all you're doing is replacing (sometimes) compatible parts and modifying the init.rc and flashing in recovery for the most part.
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how did you do that?
i tried flash dual boot rom which found in TP2 CDMA, but it is always mess up during first time loading
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Are you using the .cab or .rar, I never got the .cab to work, the .rar works perfectly everytime and I do quite of bit of "flashing".
I am willing to stick with 2.1 for the long haul until everything is working.
seeing as 2.2 is supposed to have some drastic changes i think 2.1 is going to be the final for most things, 2.2 codebase while being similar has been drastically enhanced (in some areas)...
I myself cannot wait till the TP2 gets Android 2.2+ (and the COMPLETE ability to boot into android without having to load ANY WM aspects)
hi all, i'm still here
i installed android on my kaiser (scooter's cyanomod build froyo), and i'm happy (exept for the camera... still hoping) but i have a question :
it's normal that the animation are slow, the menu are ... don't know... "fat" to appear even with a fresh installation...
i mean, i know that kaiser is not the fastest phone on the Earth, but i think that a completely empty android coud be handeled by it..
i tried to play with compache settings, but i dont have manu results, and i prefere not to overclock, due to the high battery drain
ps : i tried to search in the forum and in google, but with no results
thanks !
I know what you mean. I wasn´t here in the Kaiser thread for a long time because i have a HTC HD2 now. But i loved Android for my Kaiser.
I can say that the older Donut builts runs much faster/smoother than froyo. The Kaiser is an old Phone but quite good. But it is like as it is on PC. You can run Vista on an old machine but the experience is... uhm...
I had Myn´s Warm Donut on my Kaiser but it seems that there is no further development. But RLS5 was fast an stable...
Another thing for smoothiness is the kernel you use. I changed to an older kernel because under a newer one the animations seems to be laggy. I dont know how it is now with the kernels. But you should test some different kernels.
I should dig out my Kaiser an play a little bit around with the new kernels and androids... ;-)
@ highcoder:...
2 builds of Froyo I would suggest is ThoughtlessKyle's NSS (Not So Super) Froyo and Incubus26Jc_'s Super FroYo RLS15 with .25 for a kernel. You have to put in a wireless update, and either 1.65 or 1.70 radio ROMs (both work great), but so far so good. 520MHz OC and everything on NAND and the only app that FC's on me is Pandora radio (I guess because it uses so much memory for each song)
I will probably be trying ThoughtlessKyle's Fat Free Froyo soon with the same .25 kernel here soon, but the 2 suggested above seem to be what I like to use.
Fat Free Froyo is by far the fastest release I tried.. But I'm still facing some problems with my battery, it drains so fast.. I think i will go a release back and try Donut for a change
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highcoder said:
I can say that the older Donut builts runs much faster/smoother than froyo. The Kaiser is an old Phone but quite good. But it is like as it is on PC. You can run Vista on an old machine but the experience is... uhm...
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Best explanation quote
thanks for reply
poor kaiser, is a little oldie phone =) but with android maquillage tadaaan, it seems brand nes (ehm...)
i'll try with a stable .25 kernel version then
but htc touch (touch dual) is better than kaiseR? the cpu freq is the same... (even worst, in compasrison wih the first touch 200mhz)
thanks again
I'm running the .35 kernel with an overclock at 500Mhz done using Atools.I have always overclocked to 500 using this method & my battery lasts for a good couple of days with moderate use.well,texting,the odd phone call and a bit of data usage.
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I'm running the .35 kernel with an overclock at 500Mhz done using Atools.I have always overclocked to 500 using this method & my battery lasts for a good couple of days with moderate use.well,texting,the odd phone call and a bit of data usage.
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I found using Vaniji Eclair with the .25 kernel is the fastest, and gives me decent battery life (about 12hrs with moderate use). I've been using Gingerbones with the .32 kernel, but because of how unstable .32 kernel is, I kept getting crashes, data corruption, etc...
Scooter, how did you get the .35 kernel? Can you IM me how or where you got it, so I can maybe compile my own version? The thought that you get several days under moderate use makes me want to get inside the kernel to check out if CPUFreq is indeed working on that kernel.
can i have your kernel too? or where to get it
thanks !
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Scooter, how did you get the .35 kernel? Can you IM me how or where you got it, so I can maybe compile my own version? The thought that you get several days under moderate use makes me want to get inside the kernel to check out if CPUFreq is indeed working on that kernel.
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The kernel i am using is compiled from dzo's original .32 git repo, i have made a few adjustments to it which i can't remember because it was before christmas. Once i've got my jan exams out the way i will do a git diff and push any changes i have made. Life's a little chaotic at the minute though. I am running my 5.5 build, phone came off charge at 9 this morning and was reading 97%, after a day of texting, some data usage and general gaming on the toilet (as you do!!) my battery is reading 70%. It's the original samsung battery too, so it's quite a few years old.
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The kernel i am using is compiled from dzo's original .32 git repo, i have made a few adjustments to it which i can't remember because it was before christmas. Once i've got my jan exams out the way i will do a git diff and push any changes i have made. Life's a little chaotic at the minute though. I am running my 5.5 build, phone came off charge at 9 this morning and was reading 97%, after a day of texting, some data usage and general gaming on the toilet (as you do!!) my battery is reading 70%. It's the original samsung battery too, so it's quite a few years old.
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Oh nice! Looking forward to compiling this myself, though really don't mind trying it out now. lol
Well back on topic, since everyone here is saying go Donut, I think I'll be a rebel and say go Eclair, it's not far from Froyo, and ahead of Donut, so you kinda get the inbetween of the two.
today i tried to overclock my kernel to 500 mhz...
now, i see a lot of artifatcs... now i rollback, but anyone had the same issue?
with "atools" can i set something that can help me to inmprove performance?
thanksy
update : rolled back to base kernel... but artifacts still here
another update : downloaded from frash the kernel, applied the overclock to 500 and no other options : no more artifacts
Ok i´ve reactivated my Kaiser to try around a little bit.
The last one i´ve tried was Fat Free Froyo with the latest 2.6.32 Kernel from DZO and it´s a very fast & stable built. Not as fast/smooth as Myn´s warm Donut (with an older Kernel) but for a Froyo on Kaiser much impressive.
@bboygolem
Overclocking ist not the best way to improve performance. Better... its a poor way. Even if you have a new big battery the batterylife is not so long... one day or so... and if you now speed up your CPU your batterydrain is much higher, the thermal stress for CPU and other components is higher and the chance of force closes, app hangs, artifacts, system crash, data corruption/loss is very high. On the other side you have only a little performance increase. Too little that you dont recognise it in all day use. Of course a calculating benchmark will show you maybe a 20% performance boost but only for calculating things. But the Speed of an operating system is defined by the weakest thing in the whole chain.
Better get a good optimized android built. building a android for kaiser nowdays is easy as going to toilet, but cook a highly optimized, smooth runnin, slim rom is the real deal...
So you have to test and compare the builts and the kernels (the newest is not always the best).
The best (fast,smooth,stable) built on the first Forumpage is Fat Free Froyo.
But still the best (most suitable for Kaiser) built i´ve ever tested is Myn´s Warm Donut RLS5 in conjunction with an older Kernel from Kallt_Kaffee. The best combination ever.
It is an Android 1.6 so it is older but smaller too. So it runs faster and smoother and you have more RAM for apps. Especially when you run resourcehungry programs like Navigon Mobile Navigator you need the extra Memory. With eclayr, froyo you have only force closes...
But at least it´s on you. Your favors, your taste, your choice...
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it´s a very fast & stable built. Not as fast/smooth as Myn´s warm Donut (with an older Kernel) but for a Froyo on Kaiser much impressive.
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May I ask about the battery consumption in Myn's warm Donut release? is it the same as Froyo built?
highcoder, thanks for you reply, but i have some questions:
1 - i know that overclocking the cpu , i have a more battery drain and disease percentage, but i noticed a little performance increase.... can it be "placebo effect"?
2 - I thought to use the old kernel, but i read somewhere that is slower than the new one. It's true?
3 - I can install the donut, i don't care about eyecandy's, but I'm afraid that a lot of apps in the market shall not work with the "donut" distribution.. am i wrong? using fat free froyo with the old kernel shall improve my performance?
thanks again
sorry, dobule post
Oh that are a lot of questions i cant answer properly.
The overclocking has of course an effect. But it is only a little average performance increase. Hard to notice that. the most of that is really placebo. But the risk of brick something or to have an instable system ist sigificant higher... so its not worth it...
i dont know about the older kernels because i have a HTC HD2 since 6 Month so there was a lot of change here. Froyo have got a real performance increase the last months. So the kerneldevs and the chef´s here do a good work. But the best Foyobuilt (2.2) here with the newest kernel don´t beat the smoothieness and felt speed of Myn´s warm Donut (1.6).
I never had a problem with market apps and donut. Shure there will be apps that wont work with donut anymore but for that case there are enough alternative apps that will work.
If you want i can search my HDD´s for the kernel i used an give it to you...
But now i´ll go to bed.
thanks highcoder, it'd be very kind from you =)
have a good night
@bigboss2200 & bboygolem
Battry Drain Test with newest DZO Kernel and Fat Free Froyo is in progress. After that i will test Myn´s war Donut with a NEW Kernel. So i can compare these builts about batterydrain and Speed. May be the speed improvements of the new Froyobuilts i´ve noticed are only Kernel related. In this case Myn´s warm donut should benefit from this kernel optimizations too an we will have a real performance boost. I'm curious about it.
I will post my results...
in the meantime, i installet latest dzo kernel and fat free froyo, and it seems stable and usable
but if using the .25 kernel i will be able to use the camera and to shut down the phone permanently, keeping an accettable speed, i think i'd downgrade the kernel
i'm looking forward to see your test results
ok i have tested Myns warm donut with .32 kernel = laggy animations
so i downloaded the latest .25 kernel from here. After that i downloaded the mandatory update for all older builts from here. Without this update wifi won´t work. In newer builts it is cooked in already.
Flash the kernel.
Install Myns
Install Update
Weeehaaaa! It works with the newer .25 too. Smooth animations, very responsive and snappy. WLAN works fine... battery drain will show a longer test...
I always made some adjustments. Go to spareparts -> Window Animation = fast and transition animation = fast, fancy input animation = on
Give it a try... Let your Kaiser feel "young" again ;-)
EDIT: Dont use the builtin Astro filemanager. Its outdated... Download a newone from market. My Favourite is Estrong ESfileexplorer. Because it can handle FTP and SMB. That mean Windows network shares too. So you can exchange your files over wlan with your PC.
To all 2.2 android rom users: I'd like to know which are the main differences between these two releases (considering an upgrade).
Sent from my MB525
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
Note that certain individual features may not be supported at maker's discretion.
Thanks for the link, already saw it, but I'd like to ear direct feedback from users .
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I don't know but differences between official update with motoblur is that:
Windows vista 64 bit is android 2.1
Windows 7 64 bit is android 2.2
Hope you understand this !
Real differences I have found is speed, market downloads you can update all, flash full version for browsing, thats about it really.
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I don't know but differences between official update with motoblur is that:
Windows vista 64 bit is android 2.1
Windows 7 64 bit is android 2.2
Hope you understand this !
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Even if I use debian I understand what you mean, so is it really that better!?
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I had to upgrade by accident.
It's been 48 hours...
Definitely a better experience than Eclair.
You get Profiles (Like HTC Scenes) now, Flash, A2SD, Snappier performance, and probably a whole lot of other things I haven't had time to notice yet...
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Even if I use debian I understand what you mean, so is it really that better!?
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adding to what was previously said:
New Gmail app
Push to phone API (chrome to phone, install from web market, etc)
Different memory/task managment
... + some little improvment overall the system.
better, yes, but worths the trouble to get it on your defy? only you can answer that.
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Even if I use debian I understand what you mean, so is it really that better!?
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Totally mate, it is hell fast and 2.3 is even faster plus you get other things with 2.2 such as full flash support, better performace and speed of course. You can feel it wen playing games and when the benchmark scores double the benchmakrs when running 2.1
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better, yes, but worths the trouble to get it on your defy? only you can answer that.
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That's the point. Probably I'll wait for Motorola official update, since I use this phone for work and I don't want to mess it up. Anyway glad to know newer versions are faster .
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Just to add my thoughts...
The biggest difference I have seen between 2.1 and 2.2 is a reduction in battery life.
On 2.1, both the original 2.21 that my handset came with and the 2.34 Blur-lite ROM I flashed, I could easily get 2 days of what I consider 'normal' usage between charges, 3 days if I really didn't use it much.
With 2.2, I've only seen a day or so of 'normal' use before needing to charge and that's having used Higgsy's modified build on top of the Chinese Froyo sbf and the new Orange Blur-lite ROM too.
Beyond that, the only noticeable difference IMO is the addition of flash in the browser.
So step666 you noticed:
- less battery life
- overall performances not increased
- added flash support
That's not what I'm looking for.
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That's the point. Probably I'll wait for Motorola official update, since I use this phone for work and I don't want to mess it up. Anyway glad to know newer versions are faster .
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I didn't notice that the battery is running out faster on 2.2, I think it can last 2-day based on the remaining capacity at night (I charge every night) on normal usage.
But if you're using this for work I seriously discourage you to mess it up. Although if you flash those .sbf I suppose it's pretty simple but still... You understand.
There are some apps that doesn't support pre-2.2, BTW.
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So step666 you noticed:
- less battery life
- overall performances not increased
- added flash support
That's not what I'm looking for.
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What exactly are you looking for then?
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What exactly are you looking for then?
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Guys, stop flashing custom roms and confusing other people, custom rom does have 2.2 but it's custom and it prolly overclocks the cpu at high voltage which can be a reason for you to have battery drainage.
We yet can't say anything about 2.2 update because we haven't recieved it officially just yet. What i said in my previous posts is by looking at other phones such as Samsung Galaxy S (quite similar to defy cpu wise) and then when i looked at benchmakrs (performace) of it running on 2.1 and 2.2, there was a great difference and in 2.2 it performed quite well.
So don't consider custom roms as real updates, they are totally modified with tons of changes.
Right now, we don't even know if the stock speed of official update for defy is 1GHZ or 800MHZ...and if it's 1GHZ then i believe the battery will run out faster but we just can't say anything unless we get the official update OR a user who already had the official motorola update on defy (o2 germany users) can actually tell us the difference between 2.1 and 2.2
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So step666 you noticed:
- less battery life
- overall performances not increased
- added flash support
That's not what I'm looking for.
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With regards to performance, my Defy performed well enough under 2.1 that I haven't noticed any difference.
That's not to say that Froyo hasn't necessarily improved matters, just that I haven't seen any practical difference so far - benchmarks are all well and good but they don't make any difference to how a phone works on a day-to-day basis.
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Guys, stop flashing custom roms and confusing other people, custom rom does have 2.2 but it's custom and it prolly overclocks the cpu at high voltage which can be a reason for you to have battery drainage.
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You're guessing and you're wrong.
Firstly, when I did flash a custom ROM, true enough it came with the means to allow you to overclock the CPU but it wasn't automatically activated, you still had to do that yourself.
Secondly, as I said before, I've tried more than one Froyo ROM and the on I'm using now is not a custom ROM but the battery life is still just as poor.
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With regards to performance, my Defy performed well enough under 2.1 that I haven't noticed any difference.
That's not to say that Froyo hasn't necessarily improved matters, just that I haven't seen any practical difference so far - benchmarks are all well and good but they don't make any difference to how a phone works on a day-to-day basis.
You're guessing and you're wrong.
Firstly, when I did flash a custom ROM, true enough it came with the means to allow you to overclock the CPU but it wasn't automatically activated, you still had to do that yourself.
Secondly, as I said before, I've tried more than one Froyo ROM and the on I'm using now is not a custom ROM but the battery life is still just as poor.
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Maybe your cpu is running on different voltage? because OS has got nothing to do with battery life tbh lol
you can have millions of programs running in the background because of your custom rom?
Maybe I spoke too soon...
I don't know what's changed but I'm ~32 houes since charging my handset and have (according to DefyBatt) 55% of my battery left.
The battery's not new, so I don't get why it would need to bed in on the new ROM, yet that seems to be the key
For me, the biggest difference is the new apps that require 2.2 - primarily Chrome To Phone, which I love.
Other than that, 2.2 is faster than stock 2.1, but if you had JIT enabled on 2.1, then the difference isn't huge.
I haven't noticed any difference in battery life.
Basically, it's a minor performance boost, and the ability to use some programs which I couldn't with 2.1.
okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
For a fast, gingerbread sense 2.1 ROM I would try either newts optimized shift or Wild Stangs pure speed.
Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
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Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
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why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
Kiboe said:
okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
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To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
From personal experience if you're going gingerbread I say CM7 or OMFGB. Also MIUI is another popular choice (if you're into it- very different from any other ROM).
ADW launcher comes with CM7, and at first that was the whole reason I stopped using CM7, then I figured out you can change the launcher.. haha
Launcher Pro+ was a much better choice for me, so if you go that route and you don't like ADW- you know where to turn
Kernel's are another very major part of how well your phone performs and also your battery life. Chad's incredikernel are by far the top choice for both Sense and AOSP kernel's.
As always, if you have bad luck with one ROM or kernel, get suggestions and try another. There IS a perfect combination waiting for you
From experience, I would have to agree with loonatik78 about Sense 3.0's effects on phone performance. With that said, I absolutely love Sense and stayed on Sense 2.1/3.0 roms until 3.0 roms received proper treatment and I subsequently switched over to Pure 3.0 roms several weeks ago. I agree with loonatik78 in the sense that you should avoid a pure 3.0 rom IF you want generally less lag but as development continues they get better everyday.
I would suggest Synergy rom from Incubus26jc, Optimized Shift from Newtoroot, AND Nils Business Gingersense 2.1/3.0 +3d. I respect these dev's work and recommend them with ease. As far as the camera, I don't take pics often so I can't provide much insight there. I know Nils' rom is in the process of including hdr and panorama as a setting in the camera app courtesy of Newtoroot (who included it in his Hybrid Sense 3.0 rom I believe). Hopefully you peak in and see what each Sense 2.1/3.0 rom available has to offer and find your daily.
Wdforty's Inc2 Remix hands down. Its a Sense 2.1 ROM with the nice 3.0 bits added in and the battery life is pretty good. It's pretty stable as well.
For the full Sense 3.0 experience I would give Nils Gingersense 3.0 a try. He does great work as well and his ROM is quite snappy for 3.0.
To be honest, flashing on the Incredible is so easy you can try them all out for yourself to see which ROM satisfies YOUR needs. As long as you stick with ROMS towards the top of the Developement forum (shows many people are using them) you will be fine. Read the threads for serious bugs that are reported that may sway you from using a rom.
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k, i am close, i's just trhat i talked to a freind who put cm7 or a rom on his droid 1, and he said he had to reset it.
i guess i am just afraid of bricking the phone, booted cm7 the last time throuh rom manager, and it kept botting in bootloop, well, i got the rom back, but, i don't want to go through that again.
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I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
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okay, the thing is, is there really that much of a noticable difference bewteen 2.2 and 2.3? i already tested out flash and it works flawlessly o this default dinc (after i cleared the bloatware out, THANKS TITANIUM BACKUP!) i'm not going to use blockbuster, or netflix (as much as people like that, i don't watch movies on a 3 1/2 scren.
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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I like Nils Business Gingersense 3d-2.3 for a Sense rom. It is stable, quick and battery life is good. I use Conaps DualRom x2 so I'm able to load CM7, OMFGB, Evervolv and Miui (all Aosp roms) also. They are all very stable, quick and very good battery life using Chad's incredikernel on all except OMFGB on which I use invisiblek kernel.
I think in the end, it is mostly a matter of personal preference.
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why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
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Holy Sh#t! Are you for real??? All I was doing was giving you an honest impression of my personal experience with a gingerbread Sense ROM built by one of the most experienced devs on the dInc. I used a LOT of ROM's on that phone. The absolute fastest Sense experience you will find is Incredibly Re-Engineered 2.3.2 using Ziggy's BFS 4/10 overclocked to 1.153GHz, smartass gov. setCPU to sleep at 245. The better way to do it would be to use the sysfs interface with a script to undervolt it more, set the smartass to be more conservative, and overclock it. If the smartass is tweaked correctly, the thing will do most of it's work around 768MHz or less, but will still have the overhead to ramp up to 1.153GHz if the load demands. I've been looking at all the GB kernels available and the sysfs on them isn't set up to do all that I've described on any of them. That's not to say they're not very well appointed kernels. They are, to the point I'm jealous. The TB has 2 GB Sense kernels. And the second one is based off the tree of the first.
My Tbolt took a mean hit in performance moving from froyo to GB. It's muscular enough hardware that it makes little impact on user experience. I put the same ROM ported for the dInc on the dInc and it was simply painful to watch. Aside from full Sense with Sense 3.0 elements, that ROM was stripped to the bone. That's why I asked if you really need GB. If you don't, there's far faster stuff out there in the land of Froyo. I run GB on the dInc now, and it's just as stupid-fast as the Tbolt, but it's AOSP. In fact, it would probably out-score my Bolt on benchmarks.
I like my Sense too. My dInc runs AOSP because that's what the gf likes. It'll probably go back to Sense when I give it to my wife. It's nice being able to get some AOSP experience now, since I don't have to live with the thing. Sorry if my opinion of my experience with GB Sense made it look like I was hating on the dInc. I'm not. You should have seen a lot of the first GB builds for the Bolt. You'd be lucky if the thing even booted. And they crawled along like sloths on opium. Maybe when some more developed GB leaks come along, it will work like it should. It's not there yet. Go try some and let me know. I'd love to think I'm wrong.
Optimized shift is my favorite just wish it had 2.1 lockscreen.. pure speed is fast just the lockscreen call bug irritated me... I'm on omfgb and have had a fast and stable experience.. using incredikernel with fast charge.. sense is nice but way too laggy for me.. guess I'm just picky..
Once a fast stable 3.0 sense rom comes out I'll probably switch to it... I try every rom I think is good but usually sense lets me down..
Well that's my 2¢…
Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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That's a good one to start out with.
CM7 is nice but some people just prefer Sense.
I'd suggest that you stay away from ROM manager just because it can be buggy often.
Really not too big of changes from 2.2 to 2.3
Most notable is the over-scroll effect and they put in some security patches.
Eventually I'm sure you'll want to try out Sense 3.0- but just giving out my opinion in that it doesn't run too great on the INC compared to other ROM's. Bunches of people use it all the time and love it, so who knows, it may be for you. It's what's so great about android.
@loonatik78 / Kiboe
The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone.
DEV's are making this situation better with each new release but I think you get what I'm saying.
Also know that if you update to GB on AOSP you will lose your 720p video recording- not important to most people but if it is to you then you should clear away.
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Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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I think OP was still mad at him for his other 10 posts of pure bashing and douche-baggery that he made in a couple other threads.
yep, just flashed skyraider and...so far i love it, i just have the itch to flash over to gingersense due to gb, but like you said, i may hold off on that for a while.
"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
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"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
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It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
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It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
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Well there's still no 4G in VA at all so it's got a ways to go before it's considered coverageable.
The CPU speed was what I was trying to say to you before, it takes a lot of power to rev the CPU faster- and with dual cores they can both run slower yet outperform a beefier CPU clocked at faster rates. That's really the upgrade I'm waiting for, a good phone with dual core with root available.
this is going horribly offtopic.
I think it's pretty amazing how there really are no mods here.
It's like they all just abandoned.
Hi everyone, my Incredible 2 just arrived and I'm about ready to root it and flash a ROM. I first wanted to try the CM7 stable build because they're "official" developers in my opinion, but I read some posts and there seems to be some issues with various small things. I looked at the nightlies and those still seem to have issues as well. Then I looked over here at the CM7Kangs, but something seems to tell me that CM isn't completely stable in itself. Whether it does or doesn't have Sense, etc. I'm just interested in a new ROM that is stable and fully functional (cameras work, GPS works, etc). The main reason for flashing a new ROM is because I don't want all the bloatware that comes with this thing, and even if it isn't cutting edge, I'm sure it can be faster than stock. Any suggestions guys?
EDIT: I hear Skyraider Zeus/MIUI are good. I found Skyraider Zeus 1.3 on the internet, but what versions of MIUI are stable? I hear this ROM has good reviews too
http://roms.miui.us/ 1.12.9 is stable an totally functional works good with areoevans .7 bfs kernel
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http://www.teambamf.net/f37/[rom][gb]-skyraider-zeus-1-3-inc2-[update-11-22-2011]-2725/
This is skyraiders link which is a top notch sense rom.
Skyraider's roms are top notch. All the current cm7 kangs work without flaws. Miui12.9 is awesome. Also look into condemned sense rom, any of nits work, alot of people are running mikrunny 3.5
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Thanks! Just wondering, is Skyraider Zeus overclockable? I looked at the post and the only kernel it mentions is the "HTC OTA update". IIRC, you need a special kernel to OC, don't you?
Also, my question above is the same for the MIUI 1.12.9 ROM. Can it be OC'd? is it fully stable on the non-aeroevan kernel?
Yes you can us dres kernel found in development forum for skyraiders and miui I recommend using areovans kernel due to stock kernel can cause a few issues (low in call volume and for some data is not reliable)
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another vote for SkyRaider Zeus. if you want a ROM you can set and forget, this is it. everything works, except for Verizon's wifi tether in the "quick launch", but that's it. it's just as reliable as stock or better, has tons of features and extras built in. a lot of thought, and time went into this, it is truly a complete Sense ROM.
never tried AOSP ROMs so i can't comment.
good luck in your search. at least try Zeus, you won't be disappointed.
I personally haven't tried miui so I wont comment on that. There are plenty of great roms out there. I am currently using the latest cm7 nightly as my DD (#134 I think?) with excellent results! I cant remember seeing any issues since i flashed it. I am going on nearly a month with zero issues. Before this rom I tried out New To Root's Incredible 2 HD RLS v1.1 which was also a flawless rom from my experience. I had no luck with the RC releases of cm7 but I know of others who love them.
I like to run sense from time to time but I always go back to aosp for the customization possibilities it offers.
In the end, none of us can tell you what the best rom for you is. I can say that in general if you want a rom that you can flash and forget about it you will probably want to go with a rom that has been around for a while, preferably one that is in RC or Final status.
My advice is to try a few so you can see whether you like miui, aosp, or sence. Once you figure that out then just try a few of that type to find one that suits you.
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Well I've never even used a smartphone before other than when occasionally using my brother's iPhone 4, so the interface won't be a big deal. I'll adapt and enjoy whatever I end up using. I just want to use something that's stable (in the sense that it's fully featured and nothing randomly messes up) and fast. Skyraider Zeus and the various CM7 kangs seem to accomplish this. I'll have to think harder on which one i want to use. The CM7 kang i'm looked at is by Condemned Soul. I can't really post in that forum yet, so I'm using this thread as a way to get this type of information.
The CM7 kang that he made is already able to OC I believe because of the CM kernel...so that's a plus because I'd really just want to flash the phone and enjoy using it. I like tinkering with stuff, but I don't want to constantly worry about flashing/unflashing and causing instability. I need this phone to last until the next upgrade. The thing is, "Sense" seems really interesting. People say it looks nice and has lots of features, but I've never really experienced these features anyway, so maybe I should go with CM7.
I always hear people talking about how stable MIUI is, but that has not been my experience with MIUI at all. I have tried MIUI three or four times on a few different android devices each time following the install instructions exactly. Wiped factory reset, dalvik, permissions battery stats etc. all the default ROM install stuff.
Each time MIUI boots up fine and works well for about 3 hours and then randomly reboots and glitches forcing me come back to the stable CM7 version.
I really want to like MIUI, but my experiences seem to be very different than most people.
Interestingly enough, when I googled the word "issues" on Cyanogenmod's stable forum, they mentioned stuff about Skype having problems with audio that was fixed in the non-stable nightly #134. This is why I am wondering if CM7 is truly stable or not. I'm not sure how to track errors/issues, so I don't know what the nightlies have improved upon, and I definitely don't know what the kangs improve on/fix.
If you like tinkering with stuff I'd say you could go the CM or MIUI (AOSP) route. But this phone is not going to be as good as other phones that are running aosp. It was made to run sense.
Fully featured is also going to set you back, do you mean fully featured as in being able to use it as a world phone? GSM Capabilities?
If so you're going to have to run stock or close to stock.
Me personally, I like sense. MikRunny 1.01 here. Fast, stable and everything works. Except for GSM though.
cstone1991 had it right though, you have to run them to see which one you like best. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on which ROM runs best and again each phone is going to run ROMS differently as well.
For ROM's you're going to basically go through different bases like this.
AOSP ROM's like CM7, MIUI
Sense 2.1 ROM's like Andybones stock or skyraider zeus
Sense 3.0 ROM's like Virtuous
Sense 3.5 ROM's like MikRunny
Each base has different features, different feel. You'll also have the ability to theme them differently as well.
Try the ones that interest you the most, run them for a few days each and see which one fits you the best.
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If you like tinkering with stuff I'd say you could go the CM or MIUI (AOSP) route. But this phone is not going to be as good as other phones that are running aosp. It was made to run sense.
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I like tinkering with stuff, but only to a point. I don't like to constantly have to "re-do" things that don't have to do with the tinkering process (IE: Flashing over and over). What makes the phone able to run "Sense" instead of AOSP? I'm not aware of the whole Sense vs AOSP bit. If I could get some solid info on why I should run Sense instead of AOSP, I'll run Skyraider Zeus most likely, etc.
Fully featured is also going to set you back, do you mean fully featured as in being able to use it as a world phone? GSM Capabilities?
If so you're going to have to run stock or close to stock.
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What I mean is that I don't need "extra" features or anything like that. I just want the phone to work the way it's supposed to....such as GPS and the camera(s) working. I don't want to have to sacrifice something I use often in order to gain speed. World capabilities aren't a big deal to me for sure. I don't know what "tethering" is so that whole bit isn't too important either.
Me personally, I like sense. MikRunny 1.01 here. Fast, stable and everything works. Except for GSM though.
cstone1991 had it right though, you have to run them to see which one you like best. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on which ROM runs best and again each phone is going to run ROMS differently as well.
For ROM's you're going to basically go through different bases like this.
AOSP ROM's like CM7, MIUI
Sense 2.1 ROM's like Andybones stock or skyraider zeus
Sense 3.0 ROM's like Virtuous
Sense 3.5 ROM's like MikRunny
Each base has different features, different feel. You'll also have the ability to theme them differently as well.
Try the ones that interest you the most, run them for a few days each and see which one fits you the best.
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Thanks for this huge list. What's the difference between Sense 3.5 vs 3.0 vs 2.1? Yes, the obvious answer is that one is newer than the other. I heard Sense 3.5 has issues with the camera being upside down, etc. So I'd probably stick with the Sense that came with this phone (Sense 2.1 probably)
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I like tinkering with stuff, but only to a point. I don't like to constantly have to "re-do" things that don't have to do with the tinkering process (IE: Flashing over and over). What makes the phone able to run "Sense" instead of AOSP? I'm not aware of the whole Sense vs AOSP bit. If I could get some solid info on why I should run Sense instead of AOSP, I'll run Skyraider Zeus most likely, etc.
The drivers are mostly what's different. Because HTC uses sense originally, Sense is going to be what works the best. It's not that it can't run AOSP but that sense is going to run without problems because that's what it was made to run.
What I mean is that I don't need "extra" features or anything like that. I just want the phone to work the way it's supposed to....such as GPS and the camera(s) working. I don't want to have to sacrifice something I use often in order to gain speed. World capabilities aren't a big deal to me for sure. I don't know what "tethering" is so that whole bit isn't too important either.
All the features work in most ROM's like that. Some ROM's (Mostly AOSP) have issues where the camera is stretched (front facing cam on miui). You're not really losing anything on other ROM's it's just that they work differently.
Thanks for this huge list. What's the difference between Sense 3.5 vs 3.0 vs 2.1? Yes, the obvious answer is that one is newer than the other. I heard Sense 3.5 has issues with the camera being upside down, etc. So I'd probably stick with the Sense that came with this phone (Sense 2.1 probably)
Sense 2.1 has the older stuff, it's probably going to be the fastest out of the rest of them because it has the least amount of stuff in it. This is what comes on the phone stock and what Skyraider runs.
Sense 3.0 incorporated new features like a new lock screen, new weather app, weather animations, sounds, display features, dial pad, messaging. It's running more stuff so in order to run correctly you would have to use a rom that's optimized.
Sense 3.5 is the newest and also has different features but it's very close to 3.0. Just about everything is the same that you can see but there are differences behind the scenes. Also there are no camera issues unless someone puts out a ROM that was quickly thrown together.
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I say you skip 3.0 altogether and run either 2.1 or 3.5. Anything is better than stock with all the bloat so try skyraider or andybonesstock.
If you wanna try 3.5 go with MikRunny 1.01 and in the display turn off the 3d widget features. See how that runs on your phone, It's flawless on mine, I get no lag but again different phones run differently.
Alright I've decided to go with Skyraider Zeus thanks to reading all of this. Thanks for all of the help. I don't plan on flashing a new kernel onto Skyraider Zeus, so whether the stock SZ kernel can OC or not doesn't matter to me.
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Alright I've decided to go with Skyraider Zeus thanks to reading all of this. Thanks for all of the help. I don't plan on flashing a new kernel onto Skyraider Zeus, so whether the stock SZ kernel can OC or not doesn't matter to me.
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I don't think you will need to over clock. I haven't needed to on this phone. I have tested it and all it did for me was reduce battery life and improve benchmark scores. I haven't been able to tell a difference in actual usage whether I run at 1ghz or 1.8ghz so I opt for better battery life. The only rom that I benefitted from overclocking on was one of the really early ICS builds.
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To all you who responded and to the OP - thanks!
This thread has been very helpful, I just got my Inc 2 last week and looking forward to trying out some new ROMS.
I've read that the stock kernel changed with the OTA updates (I'm on 2.3.4)
Does that limit which of the ROMs I can run?
Are there better ROM managers than others when it comes to this phone and the ROMs available for it?
Thanks.
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To all you who responded and to the OP - thanks!
This thread has been very helpful, I just got my Inc 2 last week and looking forward to trying out some new ROMS.
I've read that the stock kernel changed with the OTA updates (I'm on 2.3.4)
Does that limit which of the ROMs I can run?
Are there better ROM managers than others when it comes to this phone and the ROMs available for it?
Thanks.
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The fact that you're on 2.3.4 means you need to use a downgrade tool and go down to 2.3.3. Then you'll use software called "Revolutionary" to get root, etc. If you search for "nat3mills" on youtube, and look under his videos for incredible 2 stuff, he has step by step tutorials on how to do all of this. That's what I'm going to do. Hopefully XDA doesn't penalize me for referencing this youtube user. Good luck!
EDIT: Also I'd like to ask everyone, since you feel there is no point in overclocking, is there a way to undervolt with any of these ROMs? Specifically SkyRaider Zeus/CM7 (asking because these seem to be the two common choices for people, and I figured this thread could now be used as a good reference) My logic behind undervolting is that if you can overclock it drastically on stock voltage (which is what I assume SRZ and CM7 are on) then you can probably keep it at stock clocks and undervolt it for better battery life/temperatures.
EDIT #2: Ok I was just looking in CondemnedSoul's CM7Kang thread. Apparently there is an app called Incredicontrol that let's you mess with voltages. Just to make sure, CM7 in itself only has the ability to control clock speeds (under/overclock) and not voltages, right? This means that Incredicontrol is necessary to mess with voltages?
from my understanding; if you OC and UV you gain nothing, if you UC and UV you conserve battery, if you OC and OV you make your device faster but perhaps introduce instability.
i've been reading tons of threads, clock speeds and volting included, and i have made the decision to not O/UC nor O/UV because my phone works great as it is and i do not care about benchmarks and my battery life is acceptable as it is.
if you really want to know more, set aside some time (hours) to search and read thread after thread on these topics and make your own educated decision based on the debates other members have participated in.
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from my understanding; if you OC and UV you gain nothing, if you UC and UV you conserve battery, if you OC and OV you make your device faster but perhaps introduce instability.
i've been reading tons of threads, clock speeds and volting included, and i have made the decision to not O/UC nor O/UV because my phone works great as it is and i do not care about benchmarks and my battery life is acceptable as it is.
if you really want to know more, set aside some time (hours) to search and read thread after thread on these topics and make your own educated decision based on the debates other members have participated in.
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Uhhh, you're looking at things the wrong way completely. Having less voltage whether something is overclocked or underclocked is ALWAYS better. If you increase the clock speed and have the voltage less than stock, it's a complete WIN WIN situation unless it introduces instability, but this is something you test for. Some people Overvolt to Overclock even further, but increasing voltage is not ALWAYS necessary. Keeping speeds at stock, but UNDERVOLTING helps battery life. Finally, overclocking but keeping stock voltage is the best combination for actual speed. Increasing voltage reduces battery life much more than simply increasing clockspeed.
This is how things work for desktops, and I'm sure it applies to everything else, including phones.
ma70ent said:
Uhhh, you're looking at things the wrong way completely. Having less voltage whether something is overclocked or underclocked is ALWAYS better. If you increase the clock speed and have the voltage less than stock, it's a complete WIN WIN situation unless it introduces instability, but this is something you test for. Some people Overvolt to Overclock even further, but increasing voltage is not ALWAYS necessary. Keeping speeds at stock, but UNDERVOLTING helps battery life. Finally, overclocking but keeping stock voltage is the best combination for actual speed. Increasing voltage reduces battery life much more than simply increasing clockspeed.
This is how things work for desktops, and I'm sure it applies to everything else, including phones.
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Not necessarily...desktops and laptops and phones (hardware in particular) is built to run within certain voltage limits. Undervolting CAN help but not in all situations, and especially when running at max-min frequency can cause major instability in a speed-step cycle.
It is usually safe to undervolt a little bit with most hardware - but radios in general can be affected by voltage. Test all hardware with stress testing to ensure it is safe FOR YOUR PARTICULAR PHONE.
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To keep the thread on track - this phone was meant to run with Sense 2.1 - if you sync multiple email accounts or run many apps (buggy or not) you should probably stick with Sense 2.1. If you arent a demanding mobile phone user try anything else. I wish the AOSP builds were more compatible with HTC - and if AOSP isnt integrated into any HTC phones in the future I may switch to another manufacturer.